IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-08-10
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08:45:12 <Thanark> Just started, anyway to copy-paste orders from one bus to another?
08:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause> with the second bus, when you click "go to", don't click on a station, but click on the first bus
08:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> also, if you ctrl+click, the orders get shared, so changes to one also affect the other
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08:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (order list must be empty)
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09:24:24 <Thanark> Anyway to change the interface size to larger without going to double? Text is alittle small but double size interface is way to big
09:38:53 <Alberth> Don't know of any 1.5 size gui buttons
09:39:11 <Alberth> you can change text to anything though by using truetype fonts
09:41:35 <Thanark> Most of its just fine but when I look at the vehicles and it goes the "profit this year" part, its in a different font and its bad.
09:44:19 <FLHerne> "Create proper font settings page" is on a few lists of things that would be neat, but because it's totally platform-specific Someone™ would need knowledge of Windows, macOS, Linux (plural?), *BSD, ...
09:52:24 <Thanark> Amazing, that worked great. Thanks folks
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11:10:20 <peter1138> there's a patch for it but it's nasty
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12:53:35 <milek7> is it possible to add something like GSStation::SetCargoRating to nogo api?
12:53:49 <milek7> or it is blasphemy to change anything in api? :p
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13:05:54 <Alberth> is cargo rating of any use?
13:06:18 <Alberth> it's mostly a balancing thing
13:24:11 <FLHerne> Seems to matter in vanilla, but tbh in FIRS I just ignore it, the supply-chain arrangement is far more important
13:43:23 <Alberth> FIRS doesn't vary production by rating :)
13:44:46 <Alberth> which means there are only two stages in building a network, the initial setup without supplies, and then extend to handle supplies, and you're done
13:58:11 <FLHerne> Well, it still affects how much of the produced cargo you actually get
13:58:27 <FLHerne> But that's insignificant compared to the 4x-multiplier thing
14:00:46 <V453000> how evil is it to release every version of BRIX as a different GRFID to bananas? :)
14:01:41 <Wolf01> If the versions have breaking changes then is the right thing to do
14:02:20 <Wolf01> I hate when I get new grfs and they use the old parameters I set and NOTHING works
14:15:58 <V453000> well BRIX is just visual so it can't really break anything
14:16:11 <V453000> but it might make sense for people to select which version they want for that same reason
14:16:30 <V453000> + you can disable some parts by parameters so eventually you could for example use everything from 0.0.1 and vehicles from 0.0.3
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16:54:09 <Wolf01> Lightning storm, router disconnected for unknown reason
16:54:52 <Wolf01> And now it's connected at less than half the speed...
16:56:07 <Alkel_U3> the god of thunder is leeching your bandwidth, obviously
16:57:15 <Alkel_U3> also, can you send some of the storm over? It's hotter than desirable here
16:57:39 <Wolf01> Ok, not like the last week
17:00:18 <Wolf01> Ok, so it's not my router's fault, the uptime shows 330 hours
17:03:30 <Alkel_U3> I'm curious, do you live in such a god-forgoten rural area there isn't any infrastructure or a city, where reworking the infrastructure is costly and requires digging up streets?
17:04:22 <Alkel_U3> I hope not both? That would have to be like a ghost town in the fifth dimension or something :-)
17:05:07 <Wolf01> The nearest ISP node is at 7km from my house
17:05:58 <Wolf01> It goes slightly better near town center
17:06:36 <Wolf01> But here... we have the same infrastructure since the road was built... 38 years ago
17:06:58 <Alkel_U3> shortes route or the length of the cable? I've heard of people having a DSLAM like, 500 m from their house and the cable going around so much they end up with about 3 km
17:07:35 <Wolf01> Length of the cable, as technicians said, the node is at 5km bird fly
17:09:04 <Alkel_U3> I've seen one xDSL ISP starting to offer 250/25 in suitable locations, wonder how close one has to be for that
17:09:55 <Wolf01> We can't go more than 7M/256K, the best I can have is 4M/32K
17:10:47 <Wolf01> Maybe 4M/50K when planets align
17:10:56 <Alkel_U3> isn't LTE a better option?
17:11:12 <Wolf01> Yes, but it costs a bit
17:11:23 <Wolf01> And isn't really "flat"
17:11:47 <peter1138> Um, sorry. Commiserations.
17:12:16 <Wolf01> All the offers have a virtually unlimited data with max 7GB/week or such... with updates, steam, netflix and youtube I do 7GB in 2 days
17:12:42 <Alkel_U3> one can get a location-locked LTE flat-rate for similar price to DSL here, but that's quite new
17:14:00 <Wolf01> We could have the same xDSL from different ISP (like vodafone), but always xDSL and with NAT
17:14:23 <Wolf01> But it costs a bit less than this one
17:15:58 <Wolf01> They also sell you 100/25 and you get 30/10 if you are lucky
17:16:00 <Alkel_U3> yeah, the phone wires got severed from the phone company here, too.
17:17:00 <Alkel_U3> that is reasonable speed, I shared 30/10 with 2 people and was quite ok
17:17:11 <Alkel_U3> now I share 30/30 with 3
17:17:36 <Alkel_U3> and also we have 1:5 agregation :P
17:18:31 <Wolf01> I share mine with 4 people, with an average of 7 devices connected
17:18:55 <peter1138> "unlimited" "max 7GB/week" .. er...
17:19:05 <peter1138> mine is not unlimited
17:19:10 <peter1138> i only get 1TB a month
17:19:18 <peter1138> i also pay for 80/20 and get 80/20
17:19:37 <peter1138> most i've used in a month is 250GB so i'm happy
17:19:39 <Alkel_U3> heh, I'm the last one in this flat who doesn't have a switch in his room
17:19:50 <Wolf01> Oh, 7GB/week is also 1GB/day
17:20:00 <Wolf01> They really like these limits
17:20:03 <Alkel_U3> there's even a switch in the kitchen. oher than the router
17:20:08 <peter1138> i have no computer equipment in my room ;)
17:20:20 <Alkel_U3> that sounds beautifull
17:21:04 <peter1138> but then i do have the whole house to fill with stuff instead
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19:00:09 <andythenorth> V453000: got any screenshots from trying snow over tinted ground?
19:00:22 <V453000> tinted = green or gray?
19:01:10 <andythenorth> except that would need texture and shit
19:01:16 <andythenorth> and the trees should be coloured
19:01:24 * andythenorth wants something to try tinting in photoshop
19:01:33 <andythenorth> I reckon stripped ground colour can be made to work
19:01:55 <andythenorth> but needs coloured trees and shit, and the contrast might be nasty
19:02:00 <V453000> the gray will work :)
19:02:08 <andythenorth> I just don’t like it :)
19:02:13 <andythenorth> it’s technically valid
19:02:21 <V453000> that's why I will make both versions, green and gray
19:02:24 <V453000> eventually maybe more
19:02:33 <andythenorth> ‘choose your base set’ :P
19:02:33 <V453000> each of them will be different grfid so anyone can choose
19:02:54 <V453000> there is no point in me making this shit for years and then not exporting 2 different colours which for me is literally one checkbox with the system I have built in after effects
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19:08:54 <eekee> how do you stop trains from picking some random depot to go to whenever?
19:09:13 <eekee> is a go to depot order not enough?
19:10:00 <eekee> andythenorth: neat! is this for a lunar mod?
19:10:57 <V453000> there's probably going to be some tint, sure :)
19:11:02 <V453000> it doesn't have to be 100% dead
19:12:24 <Arveen2> that light gray looks better than the dark one imo
19:12:28 <andythenorth> the thing that didn’t work definitely was monochrom all trees and shit
19:12:35 <andythenorth> although /me plays with trees off
19:12:52 <eekee> i like the slight tint in the last link
19:12:54 <V453000> everything else must have something if the ground is desaturated
19:13:03 <eekee> what about turning trees into boulders?
19:13:18 <V453000> some trees are boulders already :)
19:13:33 <V453000> don't have them rendered yet but yeah
19:13:39 <V453000> reworking all trees basically
19:14:00 <eekee> i think it's not lunar if the natural surface is colorful, but town buildings (domes?) could be
19:14:33 <V453000> the idea isn't to make it lunar :)
19:15:13 <eekee> ages ago i had some lunar mod ideas, but was too busy then
19:15:42 <V453000> well I'm too busy now, but eh :D
19:27:49 <eekee> hm, not a servicing issue, but one little bit of track missing
19:38:16 <Wolf01> Out for dinner, better if I shutdown too, light come and go
19:58:54 <Alberth> V, petroleum fuels, nuts yellow + red, looking great :D
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20:13:35 <Alkel_U3> eekee: if you plop at least one "go to depot", possibly with "service when needed", in a vehicle's order list it will completely stop the default depot-seeking behaviour
20:14:05 <eekee> great, that's what i thought, thanks Al
20:15:12 <Alkel_U3> also there's an order for "go to nearest depot", which, IIRC, has the same effect and can possibly work on multi-tracked, multidepot lines
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20:44:09 <supermop_> not going to draw on the warbonnet in 2cc?
20:47:14 <supermop_> does anything in IH have a grey/silver body?
20:48:35 <andythenorth> livestock wagons :P
20:48:58 <andythenorth> or everything if you choose grey or white as CC
20:58:22 <andythenorth> also valid for USA eh :P
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21:33:21 <Wolf01> Good, reset the xDSL line and got again full bandwidth
21:36:49 <Wolf01> Router says 4.3Mbps, test says 3.8
22:01:19 <Arveen2> real life download says 3.5 and ISP says 16 :D
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22:12:31 <Alberth> and now you hope the remote was not the bottleneck :)
22:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: that depends on whether the router accounts for protocol overhead in its calculation
22:14:25 <andythenorth> so how do livery over-rides work then?
22:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: weird, don't do them
22:14:53 <andythenorth> are they in any way reliable?
22:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: basically, the engine says "if wagon <X> is attached, it should look like <Y>"
22:15:53 <andythenorth> in principle I want that
22:16:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but you could do the same thing by making the wagon check the front engine
22:16:09 <andythenorth> to make unpowered coachs look like railcars when attached to railcars
22:16:24 <andythenorth> I wondered about just doing it in varact2
22:16:36 <andythenorth> I already have code for that
22:17:08 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: then use that, treat wagon override as a deprecated feature
22:18:14 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause: I know, I should also take account of all the packet errors which is another big overhead
22:18:57 <Wolf01> Wow, no errors so far, usually I have a lot of them
22:21:26 <Wolf01> Also I have 378Kbps up, let's see how long it last
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23:43:27 <eekee> buh? in nuts, meow caboose can't follow meow engine
23:48:21 * eekee uses the caboose alone; boggles at flatbed truck coming out of the depot before engine :)
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