IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-07-03
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10:51:21 <__ln__> a rare Celestar spotted
10:59:04 <Celestar> is that good or bad? :)
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14:47:34 <UncleCJ> I just spent all saturday playing OpenTTD with a buddy - first multiplayer games for him. Desert scenario - time passed slowly and I over-invested so badly :-P
14:51:02 <crem> OpenTTD is the second best game for the multiplayer! ( First one being Portal 2 ).
14:52:41 <Wolf01> Wrong, the first is factorio
14:53:59 <crem> Never played factorio multiplayer..
14:54:43 <peter1138> Portal 2 is kinda short.
14:56:58 <Wolf01> Alkel_U3, do you have some time for that mp game?
15:40:35 <Flygon> What's the third best?
15:40:50 <Flygon> Drunk amateur 8 player Age of Empires II?
15:41:06 <Flygon> Seriously my best AoEII games are when everyone's completely wasted.
15:42:14 <Wolf01> The only thing I did as completely wasted was to build a lego without instructions and just by looking at the box... And I did it :|
15:42:42 <Flygon> But everyone else sure was.
15:42:42 <Wolf01> And that's the last time I got drunk
15:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2006d: New data for Haiti, Sri Lanka, and Canada
15:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2012c: Haiti following US/Canada rules for 2012.
15:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2013b: Haiti uses US daylight-saving rules this year, and presumably future years.
15:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2016b: Haiti will not observe DST in 2016.
15:46:28 <Celestar> tzdata2017b: Haiti resumed observance of DST in 2017.
15:56:09 <Alkel_U3> Wolf01: hi. I'm currently at a festival, away from computer. I'm going home this evening so maybe after 21 today or tommorow
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19:19:38 <UncleCJ> Wolf01: I suspect I will have to get Factorio... :-D
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19:34:54 <andythenorth> still not sure about map colours
19:35:45 <Wolf01> I'm still not sure about taking an IT security course
19:39:08 <andythenorth> what’s it about?
19:39:49 <andythenorth> it’s a thing people do
19:41:24 <Wolf01> Too bad it's really expensive
19:42:22 <Wolf01> And I'm not sure about what piece of paper they will give me, maybe without some sort of degree in IT is useless
19:45:15 * andythenorth porting FIRS docs to Bootstrap 3
19:54:01 <andythenorth> maybe there’s a better way
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20:05:37 <andythenorth> the FIRS makefile :)
20:11:04 <andythenorth> the docs targets are still…weird :)
20:11:15 <andythenorth> I tried to clean them up last week, but made a circular reference
20:11:32 <andythenorth> also I need to teach docs about the .pt dependencies
20:11:49 <andythenorth> but I don’t want it to build everything just because a docs file changed :P
20:13:10 <andythenorth> it src/docs_templates, mostly
20:14:46 <Alberth> you can't both have automagic building and not have automagic building :)
20:15:10 <andythenorth> ideally ‘make docs’ would detect changed .pt files
20:15:16 <andythenorth> but not trigger building the grf
20:15:22 <andythenorth> I don’t think that’s possible
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20:25:41 <andythenorth> as % of viewport :P
20:25:56 * andythenorth wonders about constraining it to 100% of viewport
20:26:17 <frosch123> anyway, it's wider than one screen
20:26:28 <andythenorth> I can wrap it in html
20:26:57 <andythenorth> how big is your screen? :D
20:27:03 <frosch123> it probably would not be readable when zoomed
20:28:08 <frosch123> anyway, i can zoom it with ctrl+wheel
20:28:19 <andythenorth> usually I load it, then zoom out :P
20:28:52 <frosch123> next question: why does my ssh-agent not work?
20:29:14 <andythenorth> outdated python ssh bindings?
20:29:22 <frosch123> oh, it works on coop
20:35:05 <frosch123> i assumed old keys would only get rejected by new servers, but apparently new clients are also picky
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21:18:22 * andythenorth really needs to learn make :(
21:24:47 <frosch123> i can't read them, and zooming does not work anymore
21:25:53 <andythenorth> browser zoom actually makes it (smaller in chrome)
21:25:56 <andythenorth> unexpected result :)
21:26:16 * andythenorth will try and find a better way
21:30:28 * andythenorth needs to assess the infosec risk of it
21:30:33 <andythenorth> maybe Wolf01 could do that? o_O
22:06:40 <andythenorth> can’t figure out why the pan-zoom isn’t enabled
22:06:46 <andythenorth> probably bad path somewhere
22:09:16 <frosch123> the bottom-left thingie is slightly buggy as it does not quite align to the mouse, but it mostly works
22:10:31 <frosch123> the overall thing is also minimal bigger than the viewport, so it adds scrollbars
22:12:01 <andythenorth> do you get the zoom icons?
22:12:34 <andythenorth> chrome drops them
22:12:40 <andythenorth> and in some of the docs examples
22:12:56 <andythenorth> well it’s better than before :P
22:13:07 <frosch123> it also works in chromium for me
22:13:23 <frosch123> though different :o
22:13:52 <frosch123> it chromium i have to click to drag the red border, in firefox is just follows on moving
22:14:12 <andythenorth> works in safari, but thumbnail drag is absent
22:14:42 <andythenorth> I will offer refunds to dissatisfied users :)
22:15:14 <frosch123> it even works in konqueror
22:16:26 <frosch123> except that konqueror seems to enforce a minimum font size, so the thumbnail looks kind of bad
22:27:02 <andythenorth> hmm works for me in chrome now
22:28:00 <andythenorth> now it just needs to be in a modal :P
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23:02:01 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> maybe Wolf01 could do that? o_O <- ha
23:06:30 <Wolf01> BTW the demos don't work at all on firefox
23:07:36 * andythenorth wonders if it’s a flakey library
23:07:51 <Wolf01> Oh, now they do, but only after I opened them in Edge
23:09:16 <Wolf01> The resize svg container on page resize was tricky IIRC
23:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> And I'm not sure about what piece of paper they will give me, maybe without some sort of degree in IT is useless <-- a degree is probably the least important thing in IT...
23:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: have you had a look at my partitioning algorithm?
23:18:17 <andythenorth> I have, but I didn’t figure out what I’d need to feed it yet
23:18:25 <andythenorth> presumably just a list of economies and industries
23:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, a dict, where the keys are industries, and the values are sets of economies
23:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and it returns sets of industries that can share colours
23:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i've made no theoretical considerations on how "optimal" the result is
23:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> in terms of "this is the minimum amount of colours you need"
23:23:03 <Wolf01> I should go to job talks with a classmate which got a degree in IT, usually he is rejected because with a degree they have to pay him more, then I could introduce myself :>
23:25:33 <andythenorth> funny that in some countries, developers are v. hard to find
23:25:44 <andythenorth> and bits of Europe have them in surplus
23:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never heard of IT people being rejected
23:26:10 <Wolf01> Oh, there's plenty of vacant positions here, but nobody that suits them
23:26:17 <Wolf01> Because they are picky
23:27:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well, basically i was hired after i said "i like python" :p
23:27:52 <Wolf01> The best candidate is 20-25 years old, with 10+ years of practice, master degree in IT, must not have worked before in the IT compartment because they need to hire him as apprentice
23:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> they gasped a little when i said how much i wanted to be paid
23:28:39 <andythenorth> [bearing in mind that new is designed to look better on mobile]
23:28:48 <andythenorth> is new better or just different?
23:29:08 <Wolf01> I was hired because I was the only one able to tell the difference between domain name and email
23:29:34 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: too much or too little? o_O
23:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> bigger is better
23:30:06 <andythenorth> I think it’s cleaner
23:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: well, i feel like i should have asked more, but they offered even less
23:30:40 <andythenorth> it’s a bit of a weird layout
23:30:40 <andythenorth> the reading order is unclear
23:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause> (and they said their number first)
23:30:43 <andythenorth> but it seems to work
23:31:39 <Wolf01> Here is pretty impossible to make an offer, basically they would like to not pay you
23:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i never really liked graphviz, because i think the graphs could be more compact and cleaner if it relaxed a little on the hierarchical layout
23:34:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the steeltown graph looks especially horrible
23:35:15 <Wolf01> I used plantUML for a website
23:38:19 <andythenorth> it’s a shame about the steeltown layout
23:38:23 <andythenorth> the flow is quite nice
23:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> (also mostly in german)
23:41:47 <Wolf01> I didn't understand a word, but I think I get the irony
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23:42:40 <andythenorth> I don’t know of any graphviz alternatives :|
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23:44:09 <Wolf01> I just made graphs in svg with the IDE plugin and then loaded them in the site :P
23:46:21 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i can't really help you with that
23:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it would probably be fine if you just could drag around the nodes a bit after you've piped it through graphviz
23:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's not really useful for automatted generation
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