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07:00:08  <stupidkiller> i want to share my saved games with all of you around the world,i have try to register the account but i cannot receive the activation email
 
07:00:33  <quiznilo> you probably need someone important then!
 
07:00:35  <stupidkiller> anyone mind to help me post up my saved games ?
 
07:03:35  <stupidkiller> who i need to looking for ?
 
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14:27:24  <Wolf01> Mmmh, I think today is not the right day to play diablo 3
 
14:30:07  <Wolf01> I can't understand how I can have 4s lag with my ISP
 
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14:41:34  <Alkel_U3> you may as well just use IPoAC with these latencies
 
15:39:24  <supermop> accidentally made road trains carry like 300+ tons
 
15:43:59  <supermop> hmm no dala horse gifs
 
15:52:59  <supermop> so in latest version of my grf i had trouble bumping up against the maximum running cost factor
 
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16:45:21  <supermop> cant tell why these roadtrain capacities are so high
 
16:46:19  <Alberth> also, how long are those things?
 
16:46:53  <Alberth> hmm, not nearly anything close to a train length, thus
 
16:47:15  <Alberth> must be the compression algorithm then
 
16:47:20  <supermop> should be a bit less than 3 times a regular semi truck in capacity, but they are carrying way more
 
16:48:35  <Alberth> someone felt they weren't good competition for regular trains :p
 
16:51:52  <supermop> switch (FEAT_ROADVEHS, SELF, switch_capacity_h1_box, build_year ) {   0..5000000: ((param_capacity*20)*3)/4
 
16:52:16  <supermop> switch (FEAT_ROADVEHS, SELF, switch_capacity_c1_box, build_year ) {   0..5000000: ((param_capacity*20)/4)
 
16:52:28  <supermop> h1 should be 3x c1, right?
 
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16:56:21  <Alberth> it's a label that points to the switch, so each should be uniq
 
16:56:30  <supermop> instead im getting like more than 5x
 
16:57:14  <Alberth> you mean x*20*3 / 4 ?
 
16:57:38  <supermop> for example, a c2 mineral truck carries 38 tons, h2 mineral road train carries 204
 
16:57:43  <Alberth> hmm, right, 20/4 is already 5 :p
 
16:58:24  <Alberth> isn't there a unit definition as well?
 
16:58:27  <supermop> maybe i am messing some order of operations thing up
 
16:58:43  <Alberth> ie 1 unit in openttd is xx,xxx l stuff
 
16:59:26  <supermop> the capacity switches are the same for both road train and semi except for that *3
 
17:00:49  <Alberth> how many bits is the value?  *600  doesn't even closely fit in 8 bit, for example
 
17:01:38  <Alberth> don't know the precision used for these calculations however
 
17:02:41  <Alberth> so *5 * 3  should do the same thing
 
17:03:19  <DorpsGek> Alberth: 17.0666666667
 
17:03:56  <Alberth> anything larger than capacity=17 overflows in 8 bit
 
17:04:35  <DorpsGek> Alberth: 2184.46666667
 
17:04:37  <supermop> maybe i should rework the way these switches work, but as is, the big number given is the 'vanilla' capacity a truck or trailer would have if param_capacity is set to the default value
 
17:05:53  <Alberth> perhaps check what happens if you hardcode it to 1 unit, do you get 1t cargo then?
 
17:06:03  <supermop> the /4 is so that in the case of a two part RV like a semi-truck, 2 /4 * 20 * (2 parts) = 20 t for a semi truck with one trailer
 
17:06:55  <supermop> the road train is 4 parts, 3 of which should carry cargo
 
17:07:57  <supermop> 2 / 4 *3 *4 = 6 oops
 
17:08:35  <Alberth> just copy the formula into the compiler :)
 
17:09:01  <Alberth> 24*60  is much more clear than 1440 :)
 
17:09:23  <supermop> ctrl H *3)/4 -> *3)/8 would fix it
 
17:10:23  <supermop> instead of using the parameter value as a coefficient, maybe i should instead have switch select from a few capacities based on parament
 
17:12:40  <supermop> hopefully no one fell in love with 200 t trucks with only 200hp
 
17:18:48  <supermop> pretty happy with my early truck graphics
 
17:20:30  <Alberth> they can always just stick with the current newgrf :)
 
17:28:38  <supermop> ok also forgot the switch that prevents trailers from making smoke
 
17:29:46  <supermop> what else can i add to this grf to procrastinate drawing trams
 
17:32:36  <supermop> 'refrigerated road train' seems stupid
 
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18:30:10  <frosch123> Wolf01: yet another canal mail
 
18:31:46  <Wolf01> I really broke the interwebz with that announce
 
18:37:46  <Wolf01> Yes, but... somebody didn't get the joke XD
 
18:44:45  <frosch123> i have no idea why people read the april news
 
18:44:59  <frosch123> it was my main reason to write a post for rc1
 
18:45:11  <frosch123> just to get the april one away from the top
 
18:46:15  <Wolf01> Put a disclaimer, red, 54pts, uppercase, comic s... no that would be bad: "WE WON'T REMOVE CANALS, IT WAS AN APRIL FOOL"
 
18:52:41  <Wolf01> Or tell them we are planning to remove roads...
 
18:53:00  <Wolf01> Just to replace them with more roads
 
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19:00:28  <Alberth> replace them with not roads
 
19:13:03  <supermop> i think you should actually remove them now
 
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22:25:11  <andythenorth> laptop keeps losing connection
 
22:25:15  * andythenorth bored of technology
 
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22:27:11  * supermop bored of fixing trucks
 
22:30:25  <supermop> im going to add a switch so HP increments a bit by build year
 
22:30:41  <supermop> then you dont ever need multiple generations of truck
 
22:30:58  <supermop> just one truck that gets better every 5 years or whatever
 
22:32:36  <supermop> power = some base hp + (Build year - introduction year)
 
22:42:16  <Wolf01> Isn't it a bit confusing?
 
22:42:36  <frosch123> did you ever look at hp when buying a truck?
 
22:43:55  <Wolf01> Mmmh, I need more steel
 
22:44:43  <frosch123> resp, more stations, 48 stack unloaders are not enough
 
22:44:47  <Wolf01> I have enough of that, but 12 furnaces for steel can't keep up
 
22:44:53  <supermop> Wolf01: its a small amount
 
22:45:12  <supermop> and is better than having more frequent generations
 
22:45:59  <supermop> its not that weird to go buy a 2010 punto or what ever, and then buy a 2015 later that has maybe 5-10 more hp
 
22:46:56  <supermop> not so big they advertise it, but maybe whatever they used to save fuel got a little better and doesn't rob as much hp anymore
 
22:47:20  <supermop> or maybe the truck is a VW and they reprogrammed the engine to cheat
 
22:47:44  <Wolf01> Like it's the only brand to do that :P
 
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22:48:17  <supermop> Mop brand trucks will do it from 1910 onward
 
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