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00:24:35 <Wolf01> 'night
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08:58:56 <andythenorth> o/
09:08:33 <andythenorth> is it F? http://steelplantech.com/product/?am_force_theme_layout=mobile
09:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i like how the animation is in sync with my wall clock
09:18:13 <andythenorth> probably watching you
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10:50:27 <Wolf01> o/
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13:00:42 <andythenorth> o/
13:00:58 <Wolf01> o/
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14:02:06 <Alberth> o/
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14:05:44 <supermop_home> yo
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14:24:12 * andythenorth implementing a station name parameter in FIRS
14:24:16 <andythenorth> will probably regret this
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14:30:21 <Wolf01> quak
14:30:58 <frosch123> hoi
14:57:18 <andythenorth> "cb 161: Default name for nearby station”
14:57:20 <andythenorth> o_O
15:06:09 <andythenorth> regret
15:06:26 <andythenorth> Error: (IndexError) "pop from empty list".
15:07:10 <andythenorth> File "bin35/lib/python3.5/site-packages/nml-v6201_45b1e0507a8d-py3.5-macosx-10.12-x86_64.egg/nml/actions/action4.py", line 168, in get_string_action4s
15:07:36 <andythenorth> triggered by “nearby_station_name: string(STR_STATION, string(STR_TOWN),string(STR_IND_ALUMINIUM_PLANT));”
15:07:38 <frosch123> what are you doing?
15:07:52 <andythenorth> trying to use industry name as a substring in nearby_station_name
15:08:26 * andythenorth digs some more
15:08:30 <andythenorth> might just be user error
15:09:34 <_dp_> hi, so what should I do with station loading being affected by 0 load issue?
15:09:38 <_dp_> report it as a bug or implement patch to station rating fixing pushing?
15:09:43 <_dp_> or just abandon all hope))
15:10:16 <supermop_home> can we have station name sets, like town names?
15:10:46 <frosch123> station names have so much magic
15:10:47 * andythenorth looking through 308k lines of firs.nml :(
15:10:53 <frosch123> they are translated, towns are not
15:11:02 <andythenorth> I’m not sure if what I’m doing is wise
15:11:07 <frosch123> they depend on on the location, nothing else does
15:11:32 <supermop_home> so cold in apartment
15:12:00 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8434/nearby_station_name.png
15:12:11 <andythenorth> changing that parameter on a running game is interesting
15:14:02 <andythenorth> ok so I can’t use TTD strings for industry names
15:14:03 <andythenorth> nearby_station_name: string(STR_STATION, string(STR_TOWN),TTD_STR_INDUSTRY_NAME_COPPER_ORE_MINE);
15:14:27 <frosch123> you just skip the property?
15:14:42 <andythenorth> I could, this is getting complex
15:14:49 <andythenorth> dunno if it’s worth it
15:14:55 <andythenorth> 10% of players know about parameters
15:15:01 <andythenorth> 10% of those bother changing them
15:15:18 <andythenorth> 1% of those want this ‘industry station names’ option
15:15:27 <andythenorth> 9% of them want something that isn’t in FIRS at all
15:15:54 <frosch123> 100% of them are you?
15:15:56 <andythenorth> “parameters: just say no”
15:16:16 <andythenorth> I like the silly ones you and planetmaker and whoever else put it in
15:16:31 * andythenorth can’t remember who actually did them
15:16:39 <_dp_> you forgot 10% who know about newgrfs
15:16:42 <frosch123> yes, i think it was me an pm
15:18:19 <_dp_> tho it works differently, 1% wants that option and then they learns about newgrfs and parameters :p
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15:18:22 <andythenorth> I’ll offer ‘FIRS names’ and ‘OpenTTD names’
15:18:24 <andythenorth> and that’s it
15:18:34 <andythenorth> but eh, the FIRS name is only used for first station
15:18:38 <andythenorth> so will that cause bug reports?
15:19:48 <andythenorth> it can’t be a callback instead of a property - that would risk the station name changing when result changed?
15:20:57 <frosch123> it can be a purchase list callback
15:21:28 <frosch123> i think we already discussed the options before, but i don't remember the result
15:22:03 <andythenorth> me neither :)
15:22:31 <andythenorth> currently it’s tempting to remove the names entirely, as it just causes player complaints / confusion occasionally
15:22:53 <frosch123> more then after removing them?
15:22:58 <frosch123> *than
15:23:04 <andythenorth> damned either way :)
15:23:38 <supermop_home> convert firs to goddamn steam
15:23:44 <supermop_home> forget all this digital
15:23:48 <frosch123> i shortly considered mentioning aircraft in the 1.7.1-rc1 post, but thought that the same people would fell for it again. noone could possibly fall for train removal, right?
15:23:57 <supermop_home> you gotta be albert einstein to figure it out
15:24:26 <frosch123> we already have a alb*ert, we only need a stone
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15:26:09 <supermop_home> frosch123 you know the steam is just brutal.
15:26:30 <supermop_home> you see that sucker going and steam's going all over the place
15:30:48 * andythenorth bbl
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16:33:25 <supermop_home> I should have used andy's recolor magic on these mineral hoppers
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16:48:06 <Alberth> it's too late now?
16:48:29 <supermop_home> ive already saved 99% of the pngs
16:51:09 <Alberth> so, it's time to save another 90% of the remaining pngs?
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17:53:54 <supermop_home> well now I got distracted redrawing the busses
17:54:01 <supermop_home> stripes didn't look good
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17:58:33 <andythenorth> ach
17:58:43 <andythenorth> this station names parameter is daft
17:58:56 <andythenorth> just because I can code it, doesn’t mean I shold
17:58:59 <andythenorth> should *
18:10:02 <andythenorth> Alberth: have you been making mazes in RCT? o_O
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18:42:39 <Alberth> no
18:43:19 <Alberth> I programmed one in BASIC though, looong time ago :)
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18:43:51 <Alberth> you could even walk through it (in 4 directions, fixed position)
18:43:54 <andythenorth> https://www.reddit.com/r/rct/comments/5xud5r/rollercoaster_tycoons_recordbreaking_hedge_maze/
18:44:09 <andythenorth> dunno if that’s RCT or OpenRCT
18:44:21 <Cubey> That's the mobile one
18:44:29 <Cubey> I can tell by the interface
18:44:53 <supermop_home> no reason for a trolleybus 10 years from now to have pantographs instead of poles, right?
18:45:22 <supermop_home> lane changing with poles seems would remain useful for a bus
18:47:25 <Alberth> matter of time before someone tried that :)
18:47:42 <andythenorth> vote now if FIRS should keep station name parameter
18:47:46 <andythenorth> otherwise I delete it
18:47:53 <supermop_home> delete firs
18:48:41 <supermop_home> 240 pngs all done now
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18:50:18 <andythenorth> supermop_home: which industry did you owe me? o_O
18:50:53 <supermop_home> arc furnace
18:51:14 <andythenorth> I think I can do that one
18:51:14 <supermop_home> these are all trolley trucks and buses though
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18:51:27 <andythenorth> I found some good pictures
18:57:06 <supermop_home> so in nml specs,
18:57:55 <supermop_home> i can do this: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ppwrnsuul
18:58:15 <supermop_home> what if i want something for half full?
18:59:01 <supermop_home> do I do [empty, half, full]
18:59:02 <supermop_home> ?
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19:00:22 <supermop_home> :(
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19:07:50 <frosch123> supermop_home: yes
19:08:13 <frosch123> though i believe we concluded that it is better to duplicate the cases in the middle
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19:08:39 <frosch123> so that empty and full are closer to "really empty" and "really full"
19:08:48 <supermop_home> like [empty, half, half, full]?
19:08:52 <frosch123> yes
19:08:59 <supermop_home> ok
19:09:19 <frosch123> andythenorth my actually know better though
19:09:25 <frosch123> *may
19:09:47 <andythenorth> I will look at the nml code generated :P
19:09:53 * andythenorth never writes nml
19:10:59 <andythenorth> hmm
19:11:00 <andythenorth> switch (FEAT_ROADVEHS, SELF, jinglepot_switch_graphics_percent_loaded_0_0, cargo_count*100/cargo_capacity) {
19:11:07 <andythenorth> I ignored loaded / loading
19:11:29 <andythenorth> what’s the reason?
19:11:42 <andythenorth> it’s so that full load state isn’t shown until 100% is reached
19:11:50 <andythenorth> 1-99% shows partial load
19:12:06 <andythenorth> otherwise it’s irritating wondering why the truck doesn’t leave the station
19:12:08 <frosch123> so you were too tired to duplicate items in the list :)
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19:12:45 * andythenorth turned off the vehicle station % loading indicators some time ago, and just relies on vehicle cargo sprites
19:13:01 <andythenorth> I probably play a very different game to most people
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19:35:17 <supermop_home> need to draw a little capsule tower capsule for bdmt on flatbeds
19:41:37 <supermop_home> will need your switch for containers though
19:41:43 <supermop_home> the onther way around
19:42:07 <supermop_home> don't want to see 20% container carriers driving around empty
19:45:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27872 trunk/src/lang/swedish.txt (2017-05-13 19:45:37 +0200 )
19:45:47 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints:
19:45:48 <DorpsGek> swedish: 19 changes by Joel_A
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20:28:48 <supermop_home> now i need to come up with like 20 new truck names
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20:29:26 <andythenorth> Supercheese: o/
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20:37:53 <andythenorth> ach never mind, the station names switch can die
20:57:20 <supermop_home> name a truck andy
21:01:53 <andythenorth> ‘andy’
21:02:04 <supermop_home> fine
21:02:11 <andythenorth> stannage
21:02:18 <andythenorth> torwood
21:02:32 <andythenorth> tusker
21:02:57 <andythenorth> stallion
21:03:05 <andythenorth> lugmore
21:03:14 <andythenorth> hardacre
21:03:20 <supermop_home> haha
21:03:23 <supermop_home> lugmore
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22:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the ESC hype surely once was bigger in this channel
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22:43:35 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: yeah it's quiet this year :)
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