IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-02-10
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02:42:33 <markasoftware> what's your favorite vehicle
02:43:39 <supermop> sold my car years ago but i like that too
02:44:02 <markasoftware> is it prettcy much mandatory to use feeders for trains?
02:44:07 <markasoftware> otherwise my ratings go low...
02:44:29 <markasoftware> and it doesn't make sense to just add trains because there won't be enough cargo
02:44:52 <supermop> depends on how long the train is I guess
02:45:19 <supermop> I usually do fine with a two-platform station
02:45:49 <markasoftware> if your ratings are high enough, does the cargo produced just keep increasing?
02:51:30 <Supercheese> There's an upper bound
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03:34:06 <markasoftware> lol, if you have a high speed vehicle go past the station your rating increases, that's amazing
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03:44:15 <supermop> really bummed that i have to build a 3-way wye junction
04:00:10 <markasoftware> what's wrong with 3-way junctions?
04:01:26 <supermop> railways rarely have a junction where trains can choose any direction except in the densest areas
04:03:13 <markasoftware> don't most railways in openttd have a few lanes going one way and a few in the other?
04:03:38 <supermop> I try to keep my routes to be two tracks
04:03:44 <supermop> except for very busy areas
04:04:38 <markasoftware> i love how monorails are so powerful yet never used in the real word
04:05:21 <supermop> they are used in certain cases in the real world, but real monorails aren't anything like the TTD monorails
04:05:44 <markasoftware> here in seattle was the first monorail (supposedly)
04:05:51 <supermop> in TTD they are basically just "trains but better and faster"
04:06:18 <markasoftware> is the original graphics set nicer than the open one?
04:06:44 <supermop> Well Seattle was the first commercial application of the alweg style monorail - in the 1800s there were various monorails of other designs too
04:06:51 <supermop> that became obsolete
04:07:12 <supermop> choice of graphics set is really personal choice
04:07:45 <supermop> I think the original is nicer in someways, but I've been using the opengfx for so long i prefer it now
04:08:26 <markasoftware> is there any way to get the original without a copy of the game?
04:09:20 <markasoftware> pineapple graphics looks cool
04:09:32 <Lejving> you guys need #openttdcoop with 8l_8r and mega junctions :)
04:09:32 <supermop> there is no legal or ethical way to get one
04:09:59 <supermop> there are plenty of ways to do illegal or unethical things in this world if you look for it though
04:10:22 <supermop> tbh you can buy an old cd of the game pretty cheap off ebay
04:10:45 <supermop> hah use silk road just for ttdgfx
04:10:57 <markasoftware> is pineapple graphics dead after failed kickstarter?
04:11:17 <supermop> depends on what you mean by dead
04:11:25 <markasoftware> like, was it ever finished?
04:11:33 <supermop> the train grf is finished and nice
04:11:56 <supermop> the base set is probably dead
04:13:32 <markasoftware> ok, i have done the "unethical" way, and honestly it looks so similar to the open one
04:14:01 <Lejving> pineapple graphics? is that some kind of spongebob shit
04:14:02 <supermop> the goal of the open graphics is to recreate the original graphics of course
04:14:24 <supermop> Lejving - pikka's rendered 32bpp sets
04:14:52 <supermop> pikka is not really active on here last couple years though
04:15:57 <markasoftware> damn, zbase is >200mb
04:16:13 <markasoftware> how come I never hear music even though i have music thing installed?
04:16:13 <supermop> that's the problem with 32bpp sets
04:16:58 <markasoftware> my first train route is a failure, my rating are crap and there's no more coal
04:17:01 <supermop> everyone complained for like 5 years asking for extra zoom 32bpp rendered sprites
04:17:48 <markasoftware> are there any other 32bpp sets apart from zbase?
04:18:09 <supermop> and then once the game supported them, no one wanted to make them because it turns out making and rendering thousands of little models that fit together like old 8bit sprites is a huge pain
04:18:31 <supermop> and you end up with unmanageable filesizes
04:18:43 <supermop> is under development
04:19:09 <supermop> but again - might end up getting downsampled to 8bpp
04:19:09 <markasoftware> why nobody uses semaphore signals?
04:19:57 <supermop> I usually start games in 1960-70 though so by default light signals are used
04:20:03 <markasoftware> zbase looks...interesting
04:20:17 <supermop> zbase was made as a proof of concept
04:20:23 <markasoftware> damn, that's some nice low poly stuff there
04:20:46 <markasoftware> is it ready for use?
04:21:17 <supermop> when 32bpp was finally added to the game there were no 32bpp base sets, and no one was really making any, so zeph made z base as a quick example
04:21:38 <Lejving> maglev is sex in brix
04:22:16 <markasoftware> is abase any better?
04:22:32 <markasoftware> damn, those maglevs are sexy
04:23:11 <supermop> I don't know if abase ever got beyond GUI sprites, but it is more colorful than zbase
04:24:46 <markasoftware> worth a try at least, i guess
04:25:20 <markasoftware> zbase doesn't look THAT bad
04:25:37 <supermop> it's a matter of personal taste'
04:25:37 <Lejving> I think zbase is fine
04:25:46 <Lejving> gets a lot of hate I guess
04:25:55 <supermop> the buildings all look dead to me
04:26:40 <supermop> but most people don't appreciate how much work it takes to post-process sprites to make them look more alive
04:27:05 <supermop> when you consider it was done for free its impressive
04:27:13 <markasoftware> is nightgfx complete?
04:27:34 <supermop> it's a pain to play with though
04:28:16 <markasoftware> i can't tell a discernable difference between a and z base
04:30:45 <markasoftware> brix looks cool though
04:30:49 <markasoftware> i will look into that once it's ready
04:36:29 <markasoftware> it keeps saying my plane has orders for a runway that's too short but it keeps doing ok...
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16:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it may be old, but more current than ever :p
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17:23:05 <Alberth> oh, not those animals that eat tree :)
17:23:57 <Wolf01> And I missed the text processing with nltk one
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17:26:47 <Alberth> thanks for the offer, but I don't do enough data analysis to study it
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21:08:54 <andythenorth> obv. it’s hard to judge from the flow diagram :)
21:09:04 <andythenorth> but some things go to fewer places
21:09:10 <andythenorth> and some things need less inputs to make them
21:09:33 <andythenorth> and ENSP is trivially available, instead of being right at the end of a long chain
21:09:57 <andythenorth> there’s probably enough space to insert some kind of joker element
21:10:00 <andythenorth> but not sure what
21:10:21 <andythenorth> like a B-chain that’s only tangentially related to main chain
21:10:27 <andythenorth> slugs or something :P
21:20:48 <supermop_> just so i can tow around more chinooks
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21:58:25 <andythenorth> cheese is ‘French’ economy, no?
21:59:58 <supermop_> english cheese better than french anyway
22:00:14 <supermop_> west country economy?
22:05:32 <andythenorth> no cheese, but much dairy
22:07:40 <supermop_> we need rivet counting depth on cheese production and distribution
22:16:33 <andythenorth> no cranberries though
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