IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-01-22
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01:29:08 <supermop_home> oof 7 hours of standing and walking outside on the street
01:32:27 <Eddi|zuHause> some people do that for fun
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01:32:54 <supermop_home> usually in better shoes and with less standing still
01:33:12 <supermop_home> I was doing lunges to stretch my legs after
01:33:29 <supermop_home> couldn't move them much in such a packed crowd
01:33:42 <supermop_home> should have worn warmer clothes too
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01:50:57 <supermop_home> hmm I wonder whats going on with my work computer there
01:51:13 <supermop_home> office internet always pretty iffy
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08:00:50 <Alberth> just report it with the ! button
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08:27:01 <Alberth> so you meant another riddle by GarryG :)
08:27:50 <Alberth> camel riddle was much nicer
08:28:09 <andythenorth> I meant the riddle :)
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10:24:48 <andythenorth> Alberth: would you be able to review the nml NRT fork? o_O
10:25:00 <andythenorth> I’m not actually sure it’s ready yet, but eh
10:29:54 * andythenorth needs a deadline
10:42:32 <Alberth> today would be fine :p
10:43:23 <Alberth> although I am pretty clueless on the GRFspec side of things, so it'll be mostly style and code sanity
10:52:23 <andythenorth> .gitignore and the example newgrf aren’t relevant to nmlc :P
10:55:35 <Alberth> example newgrf can be in regression tests though
10:55:59 <Alberth> there is a severe lack of those :)
10:57:26 <andythenorth> we need some apprentice contributors :P
10:58:30 <Alberth> I fear that would cost money :)
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10:59:07 <Alberth> "I want to hack nml" "oh great, go write regression tests then!"
10:59:18 <Alberth> not working, I think :)
11:13:27 * andythenorth wonders again, who needs a ship with 720 bags of mail? :P
11:13:54 <andythenorth> my game has a 41k popn city, with 2000 mailbags per month
11:16:35 <Alberth> only time I needed a mail ship was with servicing some small islands, which BB made me do
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11:16:54 <Alberth> it had less than 720 popn :p
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11:18:18 <andythenorth> ha, if I apply the 2:1 mail ratio I use in Road Hog
11:18:31 <andythenorth> it’s 1440 mailbags or so :P
11:20:17 <Alberth> how fast should mail be delivered? ie, does it age fast?
11:20:27 <Alberth> ships make no sense then
11:20:43 <Alberth> it'd need water-planes!
11:22:48 <andythenorth> mail is quite a harsh payment curve
11:27:47 <Alberth> likely if you have a few big towns next to water, mail transport could work
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11:37:48 <adf88> i'm considering a new feature to my "House Placing" patch
11:37:48 <adf88> i'm curious about your opinion
11:38:12 <adf88> while in "newgame" mode (not scenario editor)
11:38:27 <adf88> allow placing houses only next to roads
11:38:51 <adf88> connected with the town the house is about to be added
11:39:50 <adf88> I want to make adding houses in-game to be sth like funding industries
11:40:25 <adf88> currently roads just don't matter, perhaps they should?
11:44:03 <adf88> houses without roads next to them will be slowly dying, that's why i'm concened
11:44:51 <andythenorth> you want to fix it for default game, not in newgrf?
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11:46:45 <adf88> when placing manually, houses would be allowed only around town-connected roads
11:47:01 * andythenorth never uses scenario, so no +/-0
11:47:34 <adf88> not in SE, in normal game :)
11:47:41 <adf88> in SE there would be no limit
11:48:10 <adf88> in mean normal game, something similar to funding industries but for houses
11:49:53 <Alberth> transport tycoons going into house rental business?
11:50:04 <adf88> 1. houses not next to roads will die after some time, a player might be confused "hey, where my houses gone"
11:50:23 <Alberth> killing all city GSes?
11:51:07 <Alberth> I haven't yet reached the point where manually adding a house in-game makes sense to me
11:52:20 <adf88> 2. this would be more challenging and would force you to keep "some" road layout, no "clusters" allowed etc.
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12:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> adf88: there is a "fund new buildings" option in every town already... why would you hand-place houses?
12:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, other than for furthering your micromanagement fetish
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12:49:11 <adf88> there are other reasons too
12:49:28 <adf88> some houses provide/accept resources other then pax/mail
12:49:57 <adf88> also you may wan't to concentrate houses near specific places e.g. your stations
12:50:33 <adf88> but mainly it's for SE and eyecandy ;)
12:51:41 <adf88> in-game placing of houses is to provide something like industry purchasing
13:48:00 <SpComb> adf88: there's a game called Cities: Skylines that you can buy
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14:13:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27739 trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp (2017-01-22 14:13:15 +0100 )
14:13:22 <DorpsGek> -Cleanup/Revert (r12162): Clearing MP_HOUSE with DC_EXEC always fails, so there is no effect in testing for houses first. (adf88)
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14:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> adf88: i have nothing against SE house placing, but ingame house placing will get you the usual "this is not sim city" reply.
14:43:08 <adf88> same argument can be brought against funding industries in-game right?
14:43:44 <adf88> i mean that the difference isn't that big
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14:50:30 <Alberth> industry is more comparable to a town than to a single house, and we already have "found town"
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14:52:50 <Alberth> oh joy, save/load of std::string :p
14:54:03 <adf88> "industry is more comparable to a town than to a single house" thats questionable :P
14:54:52 <adf88> in-game placing is rather for it's cargo
14:55:37 <Alberth> should be an industry that you place then?
14:56:20 <Alberth> I would say, you place towns and industries for building new stations
14:56:33 <Alberth> you don't build a new station for a single house
14:58:46 <Alberth> I never use those facilities, and am in fact not even convinced that adding new industries and towns by the user is a good idea
15:00:28 <Alberth> new industries were perhaps inherited from the original game (not sure about that)
15:01:03 <Alberth> new towns I am still failing to understand why that was added
15:02:31 <Alberth> but someone thought otherwise
15:06:31 <adf88> for example, in ECS vector town buildings involve in cargo chains
15:06:44 <adf88> maybe there could be some use
15:07:32 <adf88> placing few houses here are there may be usefull
15:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> funding industries was a new core feature in TTD (for the tropic sawmill, that does not spawn automatically), it was not present in TTO (i think)
15:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> adf88: the problem with ECS stuff is that those buildings should have been industries in the first place
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15:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> adf88: putting in new features to patch up bad design decisions is not necessarily the right way to go
15:11:20 <adf88> no, it's not to patch ECS
15:11:30 <Alberth> good point about the swamill
15:21:04 <frosch123> the goal of "fund town" was to make the game continue after you connected everything
15:21:14 <frosch123> similar to funding/prospecting industries
15:22:00 <frosch123> as i see it, "funding new houses" via town authority is equivalent to "prospect industry"
15:22:18 <frosch123> while building single houses would be equivalent to "place industry in specific position"
15:28:17 <adf88> town building always were accepting different cargoes
15:28:42 <adf88> it was not ECS that invented this
15:31:36 <adf88> and it's about all town cargoes, pax and mail too
15:35:14 <adf88> it can be found useful when "fund town" is too much
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16:00:59 <Wolf01> <adf88> also you may wan't to concentrate houses near specific places e.g. your stations <- you will solve that with proper town growth algorythm, not by doing that manually
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16:47:57 <supermop_home> that SV goal took me longer than it should have
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16:49:13 <frosch123> supermop_home: there is now a notroadtype nml binary on the forums, in case you need one
16:50:32 <supermop_home> my production of ensp jumped from 1,997/q to 3100/q in one quarter due to just a few timetable optimizations
16:51:35 <supermop_home> so here i was thinking I was in bad shape and in need of major track rework and funding more industries beyond the goal amount
16:51:53 <supermop_home> when suddenly I get the won box
16:52:17 <supermop_home> bronze medal though...
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17:51:06 <andythenorth> Wolf01: LAs are crap
17:51:15 <andythenorth> every time I try to use them, they’re a waste of time :P
17:51:25 * andythenorth reverting back to pneumatics
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19:14:22 * andythenorth has to bring back the FISH Island Trader
19:14:30 <andythenorth> that was the most boss ship in FISH anyway
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19:48:09 <supermop_home> andythenorth yess
19:48:19 <supermop_home> traders everywhere for everything
19:50:06 <supermop_home> SV won dialog box has a button labeled 'accept'
19:50:19 <supermop_home> what if I don't want to accept the result
19:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> what if i don't want to accept a site's cookie policy?
19:51:53 <supermop_home> what if the policy is a free cookie?
19:52:32 <frosch> there was no "meh" button
19:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no such thing as a free cookie
19:53:27 <supermop_home> best cookies around here are like $3, it's absurd
19:56:11 <frosch> hmm, i think my favorite cookie is one of those that i bake myself
19:56:34 <supermop_home> they certainly work out to be cheaper per cookie
19:56:41 <frosch> so, quite cheap, but involves work
19:56:49 <supermop_home> plus the benefit of making your house smell nice
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20:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't baked cookies in forever
20:02:49 <frosch> i do about every december
20:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i have family members who do that
20:03:10 <frosch> i am that family member :p
20:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be news to me :p
20:03:51 <supermop_home> can you be my cookie baking family too?
20:04:25 <frosch> not sure how they would take shipping
20:04:44 <supermop_home> I am happy to eat broken cookies
20:04:54 <frosch> i am more concerned about moisture
20:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> they invented plastic bags for that
20:05:40 <frosch> i have nothing to vacuum pack them
20:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> how would that need vacuum?
20:06:04 <supermop_home> andythenorth: the army of RH supplies trucks that won me my ENSP SV game look a bit forlorne with no cargo
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20:06:30 <frosch> Eddi|zuHause: moisture correlates with temperature
20:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but that means you need dry air when packing, that's significantly lower requirement than vacuum
20:16:49 <andythenorth> supermop_home: cargo I should do eh?
20:19:31 <Markk> Hai folks, I just have a quick question, should I try to move some of the adjoining stations up to the right to be able to create a similar layout to the station down to the right, or is it similar in efficiency? http://i.imgur.com/qFt7LEc.png
20:19:54 <Markk> Oh, second one should be down to the left*
20:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> RORO stations (left version) can be the most efficient, but requires a lot of space, terminus stations (right version) can be more compact, but less efficient, as exiting trains may block entering trains.
20:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> with clever design, you can get terminus stations to almost the same efficiency as roro stations
20:23:50 <Markk> Ah, that's what I thought. :)
20:26:00 <Markk> On the terminus station to the right I have two exit tracks with one inbound (the tracks that takes off down to the left is not in use). So with the PBS signals I've managed to avoid blocking inbound trains when anouther departs.
20:27:06 <Markk> I shall look into if I can manage to squeeze in another RoRo station, it's quite tight as it is with a 64x64 map.
20:46:39 <frosch> hmm, i thought it did that stuff automatically
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20:51:00 <andythenorth> might just be terrible offsets
20:51:40 <frosch> well, make it look good on the map first then :)
20:51:47 <frosch> depot should adjust itself
20:51:57 <frosch> but it may not work when reloading newgrf in-game
20:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't recalculate on reloading newgrf? which idiot programmed this stuff...
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20:56:26 <frosch> "may", i did not check it
20:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> on that note, i only recall it was meant to adjust depot grid sizes, not the vehicle view
20:57:02 <frosch> then make a patch to make vehicle view work like depot view
20:57:11 <andythenorth> vehicle view looks ok for Sam, ironically :P
20:57:27 <andythenorth> but refit window is quite…cropped
20:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm really not going to do that.
20:58:23 <frosch> i already had to finish your other patch
20:58:34 <supermop_home> andythenorth is the supplies truck meant to have a transformer or heqs dozer etc on it?
20:59:00 <andythenorth> it should have something
20:59:24 <andythenorth> supermop_home: has a tarp for now :P
20:59:26 <supermop_home> as is, it is empty with a full load of ensp
20:59:33 <andythenorth> oh that must be a bug :D
20:59:45 <andythenorth> sprite has a tarp in it
21:00:55 <supermop_home> makes my 1000 crate a month ENSP conglomeration look a bit pathetic
21:01:11 <supermop_home> all the trucks leave the machine shop empty
21:02:25 <supermop_home> its for the brigand
21:02:37 <supermop_home> unsure if affects the older models
21:04:05 <supermop_home> how about new cargo 'tarps' to boost productivity of machine shop
21:04:34 <supermop_home> "your dream is to turn Gadhattan into Tarp Valley"
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21:33:29 <andythenorth> supermop_home: fixed and pushed
21:41:29 * andythenorth has to start a test game for Sam
21:42:04 <supermop_home> busy bee in an archipelago likely best for ship variety
21:44:31 <Wolf01> Oh, busy day on minecraft today :P
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