IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-11-21
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11:35:30 <DorpsGek> __ln__: __ln__ was last seen in #openttd 43 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <__ln__> somebody could suspect you are obsessed with trains
11:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> pretty rare to see that guy lately...
11:42:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder what happened to him.
11:57:39 <__ln__> time optimization by reducing number of channels
12:51:01 <Eddi|zuHause> other than two dudes who combined don't nearly have enough knowledge about programming such a large task attempt to code NewRoadTypes?
13:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> we should totally implement brexit.
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13:09:00 <__ln__> yeah. like, first from 1900 to 2018 the currency is pound, and after that, it is pound.
13:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> but it randomly halves the exchange rate, or something
14:03:51 <Wolf01> <Eddi|zuHause> other than two dudes who combined don't nearly have enough knowledge about programming such a large task attempt to code NewRoadTypes? <- I'm one of the 2 :P
14:04:26 <Wolf01> BTW, it's "NotRoadTypes"
14:06:58 <Wolf01> At least I'm not the one who choose the name :P
14:15:21 <__ln__> i recently visited a former dutch colony. was big.
14:27:43 <__ln__> then took a bus through sweden and others, and ended up in an old english colony.
14:33:13 <Wolf01> We missed the Riddler :D
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15:28:55 <__ln__> also i recommend smithsonian's steven f. udvar-hazy center to everyone not having visited it yet.
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19:23:39 <goodger> I would like to publicly applaud deutsche bahn for their low ticket prices. That is all.
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19:58:15 <andythenorth> -> power station, hardware store (for house fuel)
19:58:22 <Wolf01> andythenorth, I filled the Claas with motors O_o
19:58:29 <andythenorth> Wolf01: seems wise
19:59:02 <andythenorth> should I buy it?
19:59:23 <Wolf01> It's really good and the steering mechanism is nice
19:59:50 <Wolf01> I had to rebuild it completely to be able to put 5 motors inside
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20:00:36 <andythenorth> that green makes me feel physically sick though, weird reaction I had
20:01:05 <supermop> andythenorth: peat seems a bit too pre-industrial
20:02:02 <andythenorth> supporting Bezos though? :P
20:02:21 <goodger> andythenorth: you should include something that causes the land around the peat extraction site to fall below sea level
20:02:30 <andythenorth> I just read a book about that
20:02:42 <andythenorth> why Europe developed capitalism
20:02:59 <andythenorth> because the Dutch and Silesians and Flemish and so forth dug out all the peat
20:03:10 <andythenorth> and then needed to form corporations to build dykes
20:03:38 <andythenorth> funny what compressed wet moss can lead to
20:03:52 <goodger> that is indeed what I was referring to
20:04:13 <goodger> there's still a street here whose name translates as 'Peat Market'
20:06:18 <andythenorth> Wolf01: bought it :P
20:06:49 <supermop> andythenorth: a dollar for bezos is a dollar against trump?
20:06:53 <andythenorth> if I don’t like it, can rebuild my JCB fastrac
20:07:07 <andythenorth> which kind of sucks for playability
20:10:29 <andythenorth> bucket wheel I have literally zero interest :)
20:10:41 <andythenorth> big price tag, and long tedious build
20:10:45 <andythenorth> limited swooshability
20:11:36 <supermop> does it come with a pile of thousands of 1x1 flat pieces to scoop up?
20:11:58 <andythenorth> 10s of round bricks
20:12:29 <supermop> really want at least 100,000 to scoop
20:13:45 <andythenorth> it’s very slow, Lego made a video with about 6 of them scooping 10k bricks or so
20:15:37 <supermop> i already feel guilty sending coal to power plants in openttd, no way i'd have the heart to mine peat
20:16:32 <supermop> bad enough that burning coal paid to send me to university
20:17:14 * andythenorth grew up in a coal mining town
20:18:48 <supermop> newgrf to add single tear to manager faces
20:19:41 <supermop> andythenorth: i got to go inside a cooling tower when i was 10
20:20:04 * andythenorth has not done that
20:20:10 <andythenorth> ‘but there’s nothing in them!’
20:23:52 <andythenorth> kiln, crusher, all of it
20:24:48 <supermop> gavin plant had a lime crusher for the scrubbers
20:32:02 <andythenorth> that might be done
20:47:37 <supermop> i can vouch that the animated model is pretty cool
20:50:13 <Alberth> nice long industry chain in the arctice basic, andy :)
20:53:06 <andythenorth> I am going to try adding peat, but it might add nothing :)
20:54:40 <Alberth> other than peat, I assume :p
20:55:16 <andythenorth> I’d have to draw a peat bog
20:55:25 <andythenorth> and debate whether it’s engineering supplies or farm supplies :P
21:06:51 <supermop> no supplies to bog mabe?
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21:19:11 <andythenorth> I did ‘hg up [rev]’
21:19:16 <andythenorth> and now I can’t get back to tip :P
21:19:30 <andythenorth> I am such a mercurial idiot
21:19:35 <andythenorth> maybe I should get a GUI client for it
21:20:42 <frosch123> "tip" almost never makes sense
21:21:42 <andythenorth> ok, still stuck at rev 5054 after ‘hg up default’
21:21:55 <andythenorth> default head is at 5071
21:24:20 <andythenorth> it’s user error as usual
21:24:37 <andythenorth> make wasn’t seeing any changes to build, and my editor wasn’t reloading files, which it usually does
21:25:03 <andythenorth> so neither source nor compiled docs were correct for what was on disk :P
21:43:54 <Alberth> backup, backup2, old, old2, new, newnew :)
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22:21:13 <supermop> this is the kind of thing that i think firs economies are made for
22:21:42 <andythenorth> not sure about oil refinery + chemical plant
22:21:56 <andythenorth> or maybe it’s a chain oil -> refined oil -> chemical plant
22:22:17 <andythenorth> great lakes / rhine valley
22:22:28 <supermop> we do have oil here, although its usually 90-200 miles south of the steel mills on the lakes
22:22:31 <andythenorth> also probably russia
22:22:38 <andythenorth> oil is import cargo
22:22:52 <supermop> southern Illinois has /had lot of oil
22:22:52 <andythenorth> also probably japan + china this works for
22:23:30 <andythenorth> I don’t want to do an additional heavy industry economy
22:23:49 <andythenorth> so if we want a more detailed chemicals chain, it’s here :P
22:24:13 <supermop> postwar japan lots of big steel supported smokestacks painted orange and white?
22:24:54 <V453000> wtf manganese though?
22:25:28 <andythenorth> comes from one of the other economies
22:25:31 <andythenorth> makes stainless steel
22:25:49 <andythenorth> has a unique colour
22:25:55 <andythenorth> is main thing :P
22:26:23 <supermop> for making Budd rail cars
22:26:47 * andythenorth picking cargos for colour now
22:27:38 <supermop> andythenorth: that looks like it smells lovely
22:28:08 <andythenorth> chains are all fucked up V453000 :)
22:28:13 <andythenorth> missing industries and stuff
22:28:38 <supermop> no aluminum to alloy with the steel?
22:28:45 <andythenorth> shared it to see if anyone had ideas I had missed
22:28:50 <andythenorth> aluminium, maybe
22:28:56 <andythenorth> ‘metal’ or ‘steel’ now?
22:29:03 <andythenorth> there will be copper, nickel, pig iron
22:29:12 <andythenorth> clue’s in the economy name I guess :P
22:29:39 <supermop> if you have nickle etc floating around, 'metal' sounds absurd
22:30:34 <andythenorth> ok, but I’m not doing special names for each type of alloy ;)
22:30:40 <supermop> also if new player is playing, and metal workshop says 'needs metal' they may try to dump nickle there and wonder why it doesn't work
22:31:09 <supermop> black iron/ductile iron?
22:31:46 <Alberth> we need a cargo named "green", but coloured red :p
22:31:52 <supermop> where is the molybdenum workshop
22:32:49 <andythenorth> we are not doing 200 / 300 / 400 / 500 grade steel :P
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22:33:42 <supermop> barstock/sheet/ignot
22:33:54 <andythenorth> you need 128 cargos :P
22:34:27 <supermop> "sorry stamping plant only accepts sheet of 20 ga. or thinner, you actually supplied plate"
22:36:12 <andythenorth> so iron ore + limestone + coke = pig iron at blast furnace
22:36:29 <andythenorth> I need another industry for pig iron + manganese + nickel = steel
22:36:41 <andythenorth> can’t find any suitable pictures
22:36:42 <supermop> andythenorth: signal wires as primary source for copper? the more produced, the more likely your signals get nicked by scrap thieves?
22:37:08 <supermop> andythenorth: they just look like big boxey corrugated sheds
22:37:18 <andythenorth> that’s confusing
22:37:30 <andythenorth> what do I call the steel-making industry? :P
22:37:44 <supermop> modern steel plants look pretty generic
22:38:11 <andythenorth> basic oxygen plant? :P
22:39:48 <andythenorth> inside of them is boss
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22:40:49 <supermop> the HD video of japanese steel mill in the intro to gran turismo 5 was the best part of the game
22:44:17 <supermop> a lot of the old ones in NJ here have roofs like that
22:45:37 <supermop> grimey corrugated sheds + greeble + pipes + girders = any industry
22:45:59 <supermop> just have python randomly combine those elements
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