IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-11-18
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00:01:05 <V453000> same as the inserter shit :P
00:01:47 <Wolf01> I know your opinion, we already had a talk about it
00:04:04 <Wolf01> I think of them as lego pieces, there's people which only build stud-on-top and don't like snot pieces, other people only build stud-less models
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10:44:49 * andythenorth still wants a moomin cargo
10:49:27 <Alberth> we need frozen wagons and tracks :p
10:52:38 * andythenorth trying to find more cargos for Arctic that might look nice
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10:59:22 <andythenorth> probably doesn’t look very interesting
11:00:46 <andythenorth> fur -> trading post
11:02:04 <andythenorth> caribou farm -> livestock
11:02:58 <DDR> Seal, as a delicacy, maybe?
11:03:54 <DDR> Wood, oil, minerals... there's not much up north. Tourism?
11:04:54 <Alberth> you'll have to wait until andy returns :)
11:05:25 <Alberth> which normally happens several times during the day
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11:22:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so that's why he asks about cats here all the time
11:28:31 <Alberth> my thought exactly :)
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11:33:40 <V453000> also why he gets so much shit done
11:33:55 <V453000> so when he asks for them it's because some of them isn't doing their job
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12:35:54 <Wolf01> I need to do a SHIP of SNOT parts in black and LBG :| I can't do my 3 new dioramas without them
12:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is a "snot" part?
12:48:00 <Wolf01> One with studs other than top
12:48:30 <Wolf01> SNOT mean stud-not-on-top
12:50:42 <Wolf01> Also SHIP mean seriously huge investment on parts XD
13:29:21 <peter1138> dunno why, we used to call them "flatners"
13:29:54 <peter1138> (or maybe flatteners, it was never written)
13:31:02 <peter1138> though i guess SNOT is a build technique rather than a part
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13:35:06 <Wolf01> SNOT is both a build technique and a kind of parts
13:35:46 <Wolf01> Meh, I just read "Forbidden LEGO", the slogan of the book is "don't follow the instructions of this book"
13:36:20 <Wolf01> Cut, glued pieces, non-lego parts, painted parts
13:36:59 <andythenorth> lego + glue gun + hacksaw
13:37:55 <andythenorth> if you want to use it as a mechanical component in other things...
13:37:58 <andythenorth> there’s no choice
13:38:28 <andythenorth> e.g. for my physics exam I built a wing-testing wind tunnel, with lego to adjust the pitch of the wing
13:39:55 <Wolf01> I wouldn't have used lego :P
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13:44:21 <andythenorth> meccano sucks :)
13:45:47 <Wolf01> The new ones even more, all appearance and no functionality
13:46:55 <peter1138> it was mostly metal in my day, with some plastic for cosmetics
13:47:02 <peter1138> oh, also plastic cogs but not always
13:47:45 <andythenorth> the metal could be bent at least
13:48:00 <andythenorth> the gears used to need grub screws, tedious
13:48:13 <andythenorth> unless you lock them to the axle with superglue
13:48:43 <Wolf01> BTW, there is plenty of cogs and girders for robotics you can use for projects without using building toys :)
13:48:58 <andythenorth> dunno why, but meccano never appealed to me
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15:26:30 <goodger> I used to go in there and play with the trains
15:49:16 <supermop> we had brass gears over here
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19:02:45 <andythenorth> so gold or nickel?
19:02:56 <andythenorth> in theory, nickel at least gives a visible cargo
19:03:05 <andythenorth> although it’s just small grey ingots
19:03:48 <Alberth> nickel seems a nice change of the usual cargoes
19:04:08 <Alberth> you can transport gold ore :)
19:04:25 <Alberth> it's not very valuable :)
19:05:29 <Alberth> and get rocks for nearby concrete plant
19:08:22 <supermop> don't give the gold bugs any encouragement
19:09:12 <supermop> whats next, palladium? irridium? osmium?
19:11:39 <andythenorth> phosphoric acid?
19:21:29 <andythenorth> explosives: “BOOM” or “BANG”?
19:26:26 <supermop> boom is explosion bang is gunfire
19:27:19 <supermop> although whenever they blast for construction in NYC it sounds more like 'rumble'
19:27:52 <supermop> as it's typically small amounts under a lot of rock from where i am standing
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19:31:17 <andythenorth> file:///Users/andy/Documents/OTTD_graphics/FIRS/firs_build/docs/html/economies.html#arctic_basic
19:33:00 <andythenorth> yeah that’ll work :P
19:34:24 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen kyosuke.
19:34:31 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen Kyosuke.
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19:49:41 <andythenorth> supplies are a bit weird
19:49:58 <andythenorth> both fertiliser & explosives go to supply yard
19:50:15 <andythenorth> and ‘goods’ which is furniture here
19:50:22 <andythenorth> lot of chairs needed in the mines :(
20:00:00 <andythenorth> could produce FMSP directly instead of fertiliser
20:00:05 <andythenorth> that frees up a cargo too
20:00:44 <supermop> what about husqavarna chainsaws
20:01:02 * andythenorth has been considering ‘machinery'
20:01:08 <andythenorth> ach, FMSP also goes to forests
20:01:56 <supermop> "chainsaw, snowmobile, and sewing machine factory"
20:02:02 <andythenorth> needs metal and stuff :)
20:02:10 <andythenorth> I removed all metal production
20:02:20 <andythenorth> let’s assume this is some remote forest + fjord economy
20:02:25 <supermop> nah they import all that stuff
20:03:22 <supermop> ok new port: Chainsaw and snowmobile dealership
20:03:55 <supermop> forest -> modern furniture
20:04:26 <andythenorth> I think the cargo flow _looks_ about right
20:04:44 <andythenorth> graphviz layout is a strange beast, so it shouldn’t be taken as too much guide
20:04:56 <andythenorth> but I reckon a good basic economy makes a pleasing graph
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20:07:15 <supermop> hmm i wonder, if in a smaller focused economy if you can separate out fmsp into fertilizer and equipment
20:07:39 <supermop> didn't early FIRS have forest take ensp?
20:09:31 <supermop> i have to laugh thinking of lumberjacks spreading fertilizers all over a forest
20:11:12 <supermop> "2009 - Demolition robot Husqvarna launch its first remote-controlled demolition robot."
20:20:13 <supermop> ok now i feel like buying a fancy new sewing machine
20:22:47 <andythenorth> on regrowth forest, they do fertilise it I think :P
20:23:00 <andythenorth> many years ago, I looked into it
20:35:50 <supermop> seems like there would be a much longer lead time that 3 months between fertilizer and trees to cut down
20:36:18 <andythenorth> the thing with supplies…don’t look too closely :P
20:37:38 <supermop> so imagine that the lime kiln is making chainsaws on the side
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21:04:15 <supermop> andythenorth: would you use a ogfx+ station set?
21:04:28 <supermop> sort of a chips for passengers
21:05:01 <supermop> idk im just looking at the sprites wondering how much i can get by just kitbashing stuff from baseset
21:05:58 <supermop> single sided platform on baseset pavement + roof
21:06:33 <supermop> platform with bus stop shelter, or truck stop shelter for goods
21:07:24 <andythenorth> I just use the defaults
21:07:33 <supermop> rail platforms with monorail roofs
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21:07:59 <supermop> japanese platforms too fiddly waste too much time setting them up
21:08:09 <supermop> but i want a bit more nuance
21:08:45 <supermop> so every hamlet doesn't get a grand victorian terminal trainshed
21:09:17 <supermop> dudes waiting would be nice too
21:13:36 <supermop> about 1-2 times a year i get the urge to try to make a slightly richer but still generic station set
21:22:12 <supermop> hmm the big sprite sheet on the dev zone has a different little station house than the station in my game
21:23:29 <supermop> ah danmack drew revised houses later
21:27:19 <supermop> i wonder what the maglev roof is made out of
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22:07:05 <BluesInTheNet> I've been here for 2 days and I still don't get what you guys are actually talking about...
22:08:15 <Wolf01> Neither do I, and I've been here for 12 years
22:14:24 <V453000> you made me realize I am playing openttd for 9 years
22:25:26 <andythenorth> V453000: same as me
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22:35:21 <Wolf01> It looks a bit compressed vertically, but is really fantastic
22:36:27 <andythenorth> furniture cargo?
22:36:50 <andythenorth> V453000: such cat
22:37:03 <andythenorth> will there be a film of factorio?
22:40:41 <andythenorth> eh, FIRS needs redone
22:40:44 <andythenorth> it makes no sense
22:41:32 <supermop> what chips tiles am i supposed to use with firs2 steelmill
22:42:01 <supermop> steel mill itself has mud
22:42:24 <andythenorth> I would probly use cobble
22:42:45 <andythenorth> supermop: name some cargos made of wood (timber)?
22:46:14 <andythenorth> :o paracetamol comes from coal tar
22:46:54 <Wolf01> What does not kill you...
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23:05:46 * andythenorth was researching it :P
23:05:53 <andythenorth> finland’s biggest export was tar
23:05:59 <andythenorth> but pine tar, not coal tar
23:06:14 <andythenorth> tar is just black stuff to me
23:09:57 <andythenorth> salt + fish = food?
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