IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-11-11
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02:55:44 <supermop_> wondering if i should buy a new computer for this TF game
03:05:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that's usually the wrong sort of thought.
03:41:10 <supermop_> need some excuse to buy a new computer eventually
03:42:45 <supermop_> yellow signal accelleration patch has some interesting effects
03:44:11 <supermop_> one being that you basically need a stretch of desert to build a test track
03:44:30 <supermop_> to try out new trains
03:46:41 <supermop_> another being that you may need to adjust your ideas of scale around cities, as trains will crawl into stations under default settings
03:47:36 <supermop_> and a basic terminus will have a drastically reduced capacity to turn around trains
05:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so, it's now 1900 and i'm finally able to make decent money
05:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> using mostly ships
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11:25:24 <goodger> quality control is the worst
11:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ... except having no QC is even worse
11:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it's almost midday, anyway.
11:38:54 <goodger> goedemiddag in advance then, Eddi|zuHause
11:40:07 <Wolf01> Shit is 11/11 today, not 10/11
11:40:41 <Wolf01> I lost an entire day on TF
11:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> at least 11:11 is already over
11:41:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the time when all the crazy people come out of their holes
11:43:27 <Wolf01> Car maintenance today, for the first time I've seen my car doing 28km/l - 3,5l/100km... gasoline
11:44:05 <Wolf01> No, it's the second time, the first time is when I purchased it
11:44:19 <peter1138> 11:11 UTC is not here yet.
11:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody cares about UTC :p
11:45:46 <goodger> the two-minute silence on armistice day is actually at 11:00 GMT
11:45:53 <Wolf01> I usually do 4,5-5,5l/100km, miracles of additives
11:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: that's not what i'm talking about
11:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: 11.11. 11:11 is the time when carneval season starts, so people make lots and lots of noise
11:52:44 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: and if you ask random peole on the street what the date 11.11. means, that is what they will tell you, nobody will answer "armistice day"
11:52:53 <peter1138> yeah, well, germans...
11:53:36 <goodger> when you say random peole on the street, is that just the area within 250 metres of your house?
11:53:54 <Eddi|zuHause> no, more like 250km
12:02:20 <Wolf01> But it's too late to hunt for some biscuits
12:03:55 <Wolf01> Ok, I'll eat one, just one
12:04:25 <peter1138> Yes, just one. Packet.
12:05:47 <Wolf01> What have I done... I'm even more hungry now
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12:24:06 <Wolf01> What happened to the horizontal layout for pdf? I remember that I read books with 2 pages on screen instead of scrolling down
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12:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't that be a setting in your pdf viewer?
12:26:58 <Wolf01> They removed everything from adobe reader
12:27:14 <goodger> I bet the mail client is still there
12:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't used adobe in ages
12:28:41 <Wolf01> The windows reader app has the "2 pages" settings but ignores it
12:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause> must also set zoom to "full page"
12:29:54 <Wolf01> Poorly done ebook, misses a white page after cover
12:30:26 <Wolf01> The pages are coupled back to back instead of left-right
12:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> disable 2-page, scroll to an even/odd page, and reenable it to see if it correctly aligns now?
12:31:09 <Wolf01> Ok, enabled frontispiece seem to fix that
12:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> most of these things can be solved, just need to find the right setting
12:33:54 <peter1138> evince has all those options
12:34:28 <Wolf01> The weird thing is that settings didn't do anything, I had to right click to bring on the toolbars
12:35:16 <Wolf01> Maybe settings just set the default behaviour for new opened pdfs
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15:31:19 <supermop> hows it going Alberth
15:32:08 <Alberth> trying to get started coding, but it's not going anywhere fast today :)
15:33:21 <Alberth> actually, pointers is not the problem, object lifetime management is :)
15:45:09 <Wolf01> Actually the problem is using pointers without knowing consequences
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17:02:37 <LordAro> Alberth: needs more smart pointer, clearly :)
17:06:19 <Alberth> for some value of smart, sure :)
17:06:42 <Alberth> openttd lacks a few such things :p
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17:09:11 <Alberth> not sure there exist a pointer that you can give to other objects without immediately handing it over, or sharing it
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18:04:36 <supermop> if you want any decent amount of snow in game, there is no way to place farms in SE
18:04:46 <supermop> because cant place them on snow
18:05:05 <supermop> and SE / map generation is at Jan. 1
18:08:47 <Wolf01> Effectively, that was a problem I noticed when I was working on trees
18:09:32 <Wolf01> I wanted to check how trees changed with snowline, but I couldn't change the date :P
18:09:59 <Alberth> nor the snowline height, I guess :)
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18:11:38 <Wolf01> Don't underestimate the power of changing values while debugging :P
18:12:23 <Wolf01> Breaking any sort of thing, worse than removing a grf
18:13:45 <Wolf01> Uhm, must go now, my people need me
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18:16:25 <supermop> andythenorth: let me build farms in the snow
18:17:02 <supermop> at least below the summer snowline
18:26:18 <supermop> let me build a perfect FIRS world i can crawl into and hide in
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20:06:15 <supermop> wow a lot happened in here while i was at lunch
20:17:26 <Alberth> most was absorbed by the internet
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20:38:37 <V453000> when I save with this
20:38:37 <V453000> photoshop-ttd-dos-noact-no1cc.act - Photoshop palette DOS, no action and no company colours (768 Bytes) planetmaker, 2013-09-12 12:31
20:38:43 <V453000> nmlc tells me it's not a valid palette
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20:42:52 <V453000> same shit for the noact palette with CC
20:43:00 <V453000> how do I define the palette even?
20:43:53 <V453000> as in, how to create the .act
20:45:15 <V453000> oh or do I first convert the 32bpp image into noact-no1cc, and after that save it to normal palette?
20:45:24 <V453000> as the indexes get rid of in the first conversion already?
21:17:00 <V453000> well so far 32bpp looks downright retarded
21:17:12 <V453000> either white pixels all over the place, or blue pixels all over the place
21:18:10 <V453000> wondering how to solve
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21:26:47 <Alberth> some applications don't really understand they shouldn't touch the palette
21:27:28 <Alberth> don't know if that includes photoshop
21:28:55 <V453000> semi-transparency in antialiased sprites
21:30:23 <V453000> btw what could cause 32bpp to hit a performance massively?
21:40:09 <Alberth> DOS palette doesn't have opacity :)
21:40:34 <Alberth> or rather, it has only fully opaque colours
21:40:37 <V453000> is that the perforance hit?
21:40:52 <V453000> I know that, it's an issue with the conversions ... wondering how to solve it
21:41:16 <Alberth> not sure you can solve it, how do you know what colour to use under it?
21:41:49 <V453000> only way could be to kill the alpha
21:42:10 <V453000> I can't think of any other option
21:42:26 <V453000> it won't look great, but I don't think that's expected
21:43:19 <Alberth> it looks great within the limitations of the DOS palette :)
21:44:16 <V453000> hand drawn looks nice
21:44:55 <Alberth> yep, can't really produce that kind of quality automagically
21:49:02 <V453000> pikka's way of approaching 8bpp isn't so bad now :P
21:50:01 <V453000> provide empty "placeholder"
21:51:33 <Alberth> save an easter egg in it :p
21:52:59 <V453000> i'll give something, but it will likely look bullshit
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