IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-11-09
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00:21:05 <Alkel_U3> I like how one can express support for more parties on quakenet's #election - HRMBE/FCKIT/CLINT/JOHNS/SNAIL/TRUMP/CASTL/MCMLN/STEIN
00:21:22 <Alkel_U3> first two seem good enough :-)
00:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause> MCMLN is the guy who might get president if the other two don't get a majority?
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12:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> now everyone can calm down and go on with their daily business... probably not :p
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12:39:23 <Wolf01> This is unexpected, where did the first one go?
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12:59:37 <argoneus> good morning train friends
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13:01:31 <Flygon> IF you can find a heightmap for an area, but it's messy and a .jpg
13:01:41 <Flygon> Is it sane to scale it to the desired resolution anyway
13:01:51 <Flygon> With the new height layers?
13:02:12 <Flygon> I can't find a good heightmap of New Zealand for the life of me
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13:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> don't scale the JPEG, it'll only create more weird artifacts. convert it to an exact format first
13:03:48 <Flygon> Yeah, that's why you take the .jpg, then re-hand draw a new heightmap over it
13:03:55 <Flygon> And export that as a .png
13:09:04 <Flygon> That would be kind of awkward tho
13:09:15 <Flygon> I need to make a real heightmap export somepoint
13:09:23 <Flygon> <_> I'm put off by the tediousity
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13:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> how exact does the heightmap need to be anyway? you could just throw a smoothing or sharpening filter over the image and be done with it
13:37:52 <Flygon> The .jpg I found is in tatters
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15:55:28 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: idk depends if my boss thinks weeping in the office is too uprofessional
16:18:47 <supermop> ugh i need to go buy some donuts or something i dont know,staring at autocad not doing anything isn't working
16:20:24 <supermop> guess i'll need to wait until more americans get on to see any commiseration
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16:37:25 <supermop> whatever country you are from let me move there
16:38:16 <Alberth> below a lot of water :p
16:38:35 <Alberth> and it's raining here today
16:39:18 <supermop> and manhattan will be underwater in 50 years anyway -
16:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> holland is the best city in the world.
16:42:22 <Wolf01> Venice here, already underwater
16:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't venice's problem that it's drowning in sewage because it can't flow out?
16:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i may have simplified the problem a bit too much :p
16:46:03 <Alberth> close enough, I guess :)
16:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm playing as venice right now, but i'm having trouble against the ottomans, they have better armies and i don't win with equal soldier numbers
17:02:21 <supermop> shouldn't nato article 5 require you guys to invade us now?
17:04:30 <supermop> i think this election counts as an attack on an ally
17:06:23 <Alberth> you know europe, endless debating and words :p
17:08:02 <Alberth> president can't be tossed out before the 4 year term?
17:08:13 <Alberth> other than by killing him, I guess
17:15:50 <supermop> republican congress was going to impeach Nixon, which is why he resigned
17:18:45 <supermop> but republican congressmen today seem to have a lot less interest in propriety to do that now
17:19:21 <supermop> Trump has already said and done worse than what they knew about Nixon at the time, and they still stood by him
17:20:17 <supermop> and if democrats or liberal republicans win more seats in 2018, Trump supporters can just claim they cheated in their elections
17:22:07 <Alberth> they didn't have an alternative for trump at all
17:23:19 <supermop> rather they had too many fighting amongst themselves
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19:01:33 <supermop> just been drawing rivers for 3 hours
19:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <supermop> i think this election counts as an attack on an ally <-- no, it requires an attack from the OUTSIDE, which is why the US went through all kinds of hoops to define the attack on the world trade center, which only concerned inland flights and persons who already lived in the US for a while, to redefine it as an outside attack
19:20:19 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: can nato please at lease attack me personally then so i dont have to listen to this guy speak for 4 more years
19:20:35 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: tried earplugs?
19:21:11 <goodger> well the good news is that the euro area is going to get a bit more manageable once putin reconquers latvia
19:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i find that not very likely to happen
19:22:47 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: that's a start but i'd take a NATO 105mm shell to my ears just the same right now
19:22:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, look at georgia, russia didn't actually "invade" all of georgia, just the parts that didn't want anything to do with georgia anyway
19:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> (with a nice architect-y theme as well)
19:26:12 <supermop> video not available in my country :/
19:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> what are you, in the reverse germany? :p
19:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> germany just stopped the "this video is not available" bullshit
19:27:41 <supermop> bizzaro world is where i am
19:28:20 <supermop> and of course clinton won the popular vote but doesn't count due to electoral college
19:29:00 <supermop> because god forbid a state with only 100,000 people have fewer senators than one with 20 million
19:29:11 <goodger> that's not how it works
19:29:26 <Alberth> ah, the greatest country that has so much freedom
19:29:52 <peter1138> Sheesh, 7 dead after tram overturns.
19:29:54 <supermop> goodger: the reason we have an electoral college is to 'protect' the 'rights' of small states
19:30:11 <goodger> electoral votes are apportioned per state in a less unequitable way than senators; it's the single-plurality multi-district thing that delivers the broken results
19:30:26 <goodger> first fatal tram crash since the 50s
19:30:50 <supermop> goodger: there is no way electoral votes are less equitable than senators
19:31:14 <supermop> every state gets 2 senators whether it has 1000 people or a billion
19:31:40 <goodger> I mean it's still not actually fair, but it's less unfair than the senate
19:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what 7? it was 5 when i last looked
19:32:27 <goodger> also the main problem is that 48% of all of a large state's voters can and routinely do control 100% of that state's votes
19:32:34 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: well, it's hard to have crashes when you stop using trams for 50 years
19:32:54 <supermop> but still the #rep+2 number, along with the senate itself, are set up to dis-proportionally benefit less populous states
19:33:32 <supermop> just on the face of that, its absurd that they should have that provision,
19:33:46 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: that's nothing compared to how voting for the german president works
19:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: but ok, he has not nearly as much power...
19:35:00 <supermop> because when the constitution was written, small states were not large, vacuous, mountain regions like wyoming, but rather southern states where most of the people didn't count as people....
19:35:30 <goodger> yeah, but the german president's main job is to occupy a nice neoclassical palace and keep his mouth shut, much like the english and dutch monarchs
19:35:52 <supermop> and they were afraid that giving northern states proportional strength would have led to abolition on day 1
19:35:53 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: quite the opposite, he's meant to speak quite a lot
19:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically the only thing he does
19:36:12 <supermop> which is what should have happened
19:38:13 <supermop> that or they should never had agreed to form any permanent union with southern states
19:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's always easy to criticise decisions after the fact
19:39:09 <goodger> it's the only time one can criticize a decision
19:39:19 <goodger> otherwise, it's criticizing a proposal
19:45:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27679 trunk/src/lang/romanian.txt (2016-11-09 19:45:35 +0100 )
19:45:45 <DorpsGek> romanian: 10 changes by kneekoo
19:50:39 <goodger> that sounds like a presidential order to me
19:51:23 <Alberth> don't think that will hold in court :)
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19:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> uhm... what's wrong with the estonian government?
20:00:10 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: not bold enough contrast on flag colors?
20:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> what are the estonian colours? blue black and white?
20:05:55 <supermop> white not in middle like on a typical tricolor though
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20:06:08 <supermop> odd choice in graphic design
20:12:16 <frosch123> is there a similar explanation for the polish flag?
20:13:03 <supermop> i like 2-stripe flags
20:13:41 <frosch123> i like vertical stripes
20:14:13 <supermop> Viet Cong flag almost perfect from a design standpoint
20:15:09 <frosch123> supermop: you should checkout the numberphile video on the nepal flag
20:15:33 <supermop> ohio flag i also love
20:15:52 <supermop> symbolism is stupid but i like the design
20:16:01 <supermop> greenland flag also good
20:16:17 <frosch123> apparently the nepal constitution describes the geometry construction steps to make a flag
20:20:13 <Alberth> sounds like a fundamental right to know how to make a flag :)
20:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: yeah, but it's probably easier to make a tricolour flag than the nepalese flag :p
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20:28:39 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: global liberal democracy is falling apart
20:29:08 <supermop> so pick your favorite authoritarian states to move to now
20:29:23 <supermop> i'm picking viet nam for the pho
20:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: i have no intention to move anywhere
20:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> probably plenty of vietnamese people around here
20:30:12 <supermop> ok finally have appetite, heading out to lunch
20:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> we had a lot of vietnamese guest workers in the 80s
20:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause> pretty sure not all of them went home
20:30:53 <Supercheese> plenty of pho available anywhere really
20:31:12 <Supercheese> although it is a 1.5 hour drive from here to the best vietnamese restaurant
20:31:20 <Supercheese> not the most convenient
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21:11:06 <supermop> this shit will never get fixed because they won't let it get fixed
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21:23:21 <supermop> andy please distract me with cute trams
21:23:39 <andythenorth> someone should draw that
21:23:56 <andythenorth> actually, given events in UK, that’s horribly bad taste
21:23:59 <Wolf01> London tram derailed, not cute
21:26:28 <andythenorth> change of subject
21:26:33 <andythenorth> Wolf01 new Technic sets?
21:26:49 <Wolf01> Yup, /me wants the ship
21:27:13 <andythenorth> not many functions, but unusual
22:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, maybe starting with the largest map in transport fever wasn't a great idea
22:29:01 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: is it fun?
22:29:40 <Eddi|zuHause> how would i know, i haven't managed to build anything yet, because opening the construction for ship menu just froze the game for 3 minutes
22:29:41 <Wolf01> I'm not even able to earn money :D
22:30:08 <andythenorth> oh wrong game :P
22:30:12 <andythenorth> silly andythenorth
22:30:26 <Wolf01> This game is city-centric
22:30:37 <Wolf01> You need to fullfill city needs
22:30:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i was attempting to start out with a boat route
22:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the map looks really beautiful, though, a big step up from train fever
22:31:10 <Wolf01> If you start with an industry you'll get a full stockpile in 2 months and the primary one stops producing
22:31:12 <andythenorth> are boats just as useless in transport fever?
22:31:23 <Wolf01> Boats are always useless
22:32:41 <Supercheese> ships are the only unlimited-throughput option in TTD
22:32:58 <Supercheese> need more capacity? Just moar boats
22:33:11 <Supercheese> no extra infrastructure required
22:35:47 <andythenorth> gameplay useless :)
22:36:09 <supermop> Supercheese: pathfinder cpu capacity needed
22:36:21 <andythenorth> ‘press here to win’
22:36:32 <andythenorth> except that it’s actually ‘join up tedious bouy routes to win'
22:36:54 <andythenorth> original TTD solved it
22:37:00 <andythenorth> ships were impossible to make money with
22:40:02 <andythenorth> hovercraft is ok
22:40:08 <andythenorth> freight ships are not…
22:40:26 <andythenorth> even SF had a bad day sometimes
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22:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, the "first X" achievement statistic dropped from 99.9% earlier today to 60%
22:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> (of all people who purchased the game)
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23:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think i should have built a train line to connect up this quarry instead of horse carts. i need dozens of them
23:38:10 <supermop> sounds like leifbk's screenshot thread
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23:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i think i'm marginally profitable
23:47:15 <Wolf01> I'm marginally profitable since I started...
23:47:34 <Wolf01> I'm not able to get enough of anything
23:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> one ship route between two towns, one stone route with horse and one building materials route for each town (one horse one ship). plus two inner-city routes with horses
23:48:13 <supermop> would i need to buy a new computer to play this?
23:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> would certainly help :p
23:49:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not having a lot of problems yet, except for some lag spikes when opening construction menus
23:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm thinking about runing a pretty long coal->steel mill ship route, to complement my nearby ore mines, but i'm not sure where to deliver the steel. and i'd need to up my loan for that
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