IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-08-10
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07:30:31 <archlinuxrussian> Sorry to ask, but has anyone here created a heightmap for OpenTTD? o.o
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09:47:51 <Wolf01> Yesterday I trashed my (old) novel and rewritten the titles of the chapters and the synopsis, still miss the ending, maybe in the next 4 years I can write some more
09:49:01 <Alberth> maybe first start with fixing the plot
09:51:49 <Wolf01> I should start with fixing myself
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09:57:27 <Alberth> you'd get a tangible result for that in your remaining life time?
09:57:43 <Alberth> it may mean you'll never write that novel
09:58:16 <Alberth> although improving self is always useful, if only for yourself :)
09:58:52 <Wolf01> Oh, I don't think I'll do it as my primary business, just for myself
09:59:37 <Wolf01> Like almost every other thing I do
09:59:38 <Alberth> selling improving Wolf01 as business model may be quite hard indeed :D
10:00:50 <Wolf01> I still have to find a common point on what I like to do and what I can do well
10:02:02 <Alberth> maybe spend some money on career counseling, or whatever it is called
10:03:02 <Wolf01> I'll end up being a tester on drugs research
10:03:27 <V453000> I'm sure that pays well :P
10:04:06 <MonkeyDrone> let me know when you start Wolf01, i'm sure they can use more testers :P
10:04:33 * MonkeyDrone needs bigger SSDs to store his VMs
10:11:30 <V453000> wagons are going to be a bit smaller and no arrows
10:23:21 <MonkeyDrone> looks really nice man :D
10:25:08 <Wolf01> Ha! I thought you fixed the problem of different size on the different angles already on Factorio, btw nice models :)
10:37:02 <V453000> well in factorio and openttd it's different
10:40:26 <V453000> also it's glitching a tiny little bit in tunnels, need to make the trains a tiny little bit smaller
10:50:57 <MonkeyDrone> V453000: it's clipping through the tunnel?
10:51:05 <MonkeyDrone> i've seen some clipping in RAWR btw :P
10:57:50 <Alberth> nice looking wagons V, it makes me consider to play in 2x zoom :)
10:59:52 <MonkeyDrone> hmmm in windows i had RAWR as static-grf in config and it worked fine
11:00:04 <MonkeyDrone> on linux now, keeping rawr as static-grf and it won't connect to any MP server x.x
11:06:35 <V453000> MonkeyDrone: it's clipping outside of the tunnel tile because it's too tall
11:06:51 <V453000> typical issue ... and the models are extremely fat/tall
11:06:55 <V453000> so it's understandable
11:07:10 <V453000> but since they are lots shorter, I can afford it
11:07:20 <V453000> barely, I am working with a very fine edge, but works
11:08:51 <V453000> now I am working more on making the vehicle models recognizable
11:09:15 <V453000> since I am using reduced amount of space, it is harder to define shapes nicely, yet understandably
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12:20:22 <MonkeyDrone> V453000: sounds like a challenge x.x
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13:19:10 <Samu> when will dx12 become a trend? :(
13:20:08 <Samu> poe is being upgraded to dx11, not dx12 :(
13:20:20 <Samu> hots is being upgraded to dx11, not dx12
13:22:37 <sla_ro|master> well, like dx11 became a trend, that's how dx12 will be
13:22:42 <sla_ro|master> but probably dx12 slower
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15:07:19 <Milek7> Samu: dx12 is rather supposed to exist alongside dx11, not to replace it
15:08:00 <Milek7> but anyway, who'd need dx?
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15:27:19 <Eddi|zuHause> people who want to integrate?
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16:52:09 <Samu> rofl, gul'dan damage with auriel
16:58:19 <ST2> MonkeyDrone: don't forget to include the crash.* files :)
16:58:47 <Samu> sometimes i wonder why do i play blizzard games yet
16:59:13 <Samu> blizzard has no sense of balance anymore
16:59:45 <Wolf01> They have too much sense of balance, too bad they can't balance everything
17:00:12 <Samu> died to 1 shot of corruption from full life to dead
17:00:55 <Wolf01> If a hero wins too much, they nerf it, then another one starts to win too much, so they might buff some counter hero, and the story repeats
17:04:08 <Wolf01> With every kind of build, in the universe of Blizzard there are enough heroes to do it
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17:17:37 <Samu> also party teams vs random solo
17:20:53 <Samu> they don't seem to care how it gets there
17:21:05 <Samu> they're doing the same in starcraft 2
17:39:51 <Alberth> players don't care either, they will take any way to win
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18:01:02 <Samu> so today is a day to lose all matches
18:02:03 <Samu> typical blizzard matchmaking system
18:02:43 <ST2> I guess the other side is not complaining that much xD
18:03:05 <Samu> they borrowed the system
18:03:43 <V453000> rendering temperate rail trains minus 2 steamers and wagons =D
18:04:13 <Samu> at least todays daily is not win 3 games
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18:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: shouldn't the arrow point in the direction of travel?
18:52:00 <V453000> it is just a placeholder
18:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like writing colour words (e.g. red/green/blue) in a different colour
18:54:34 <Samu> original is being the slowest for nonocab
18:55:11 <Samu> it's usually original, then yapf, then npf
18:56:46 <frosch123> is the grey block under the vehicles also a placeholder?
18:57:40 <V453000> there will be some more elaborate connection mechanism
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19:20:39 <Wolf01> OTTD to Train Valley total conversion
19:21:35 <V453000> brio magnet is not a retarded idea but probably not
19:21:46 <Wolf01> And I'm happy with it, I always wanted to play Train Valley :P
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19:31:23 <supermop> train valley looks cute
19:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> train valley looks to me like a very annoying game
19:32:20 <V453000> it's amazing with how little tools a game can explain to you how forgetful idiot you are
19:32:37 <V453000> forgetting to turn this switch, forgetting to build that track, forgetting to let that train leave station, ...
19:41:58 <Ethereal_Whisper> What is this Train Valley game of which you speak?
19:42:54 <Eddi|zuHause> do you know this strange obscure website called google?
19:43:05 <frosch123> it's a puzzle game based on trains
19:43:13 <frosch123> (unless i confuse it with a different one)
19:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically when you remove all the economy, and all the signals, from openttd.
19:43:40 <Ethereal_Whisper> Seeing single track lines when I'm used to building double or quad track with flying junctions all around makes my head hurt
19:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you build rails, and send the trains on their way, hoping that they don't crash
19:45:18 <V453000> and to do it the most efficient way you need to build lots of rails and send lots of trains at the same time ... not making them crash is very satisfying but you oftne forget something and everything goes to shit
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19:55:30 <V453000> andythenorth: seen my forum shet?
19:58:32 <andythenorth> I am +1 to rationale
19:59:09 <andythenorth> actual trains, something, I don’t know
20:00:29 <andythenorth> how draft are your engines?
20:00:37 <andythenorth> I know the wagons are draft
20:01:03 <V453000> well some details here and there but the general style is quite fitting I think
20:01:21 <V453000> CC masks will also do stuff to them
20:01:50 <andythenorth> can’t find the words for accurate feedback
20:01:57 <andythenorth> they just look…uncommitted?
20:02:09 <andythenorth> I like them basically
20:02:18 <V453000> yeah I didn't spend too much time with them
20:02:43 <andythenorth> reminds me of those in approach
20:02:54 <andythenorth> but comes out looking more like fimo clay models right now
20:03:04 <andythenorth> feels like assembled coloured blocks, not a machine
20:03:15 <andythenorth> rest of brix is more than just shapes
20:03:19 <V453000> that's actually kind of the point
20:03:38 <andythenorth> brix isn’t just (lazy / uninformed) minimalism,
20:03:39 <V453000> it should look toy-ish, yet machine-y
20:03:47 <andythenorth> it’s shitloads of attention to detail in rest of brix
20:04:05 <andythenorth> like the track feels like days of work
20:04:16 <V453000> yeah, are actually weeks/months XD
20:04:38 <andythenorth> my wife always says difference between her cooking and mine is that she cooks with love
20:04:43 <V453000> it's certainly a feeling I can relate to though, you just pointed a finger to it
20:04:43 <andythenorth> trains, not feeling loved
20:04:50 <andythenorth> best way to put it
20:05:22 <V453000> maybe it's better to release BRIX without vehicles and do them later
20:05:34 <andythenorth> as you will see with trams, I am +1 to keeping same basic gestalt for vehicles, then changing details
20:05:37 <andythenorth> not a new idea either :P
20:05:51 <V453000> I have to admit that I am kind of doing them because I want to get them done, I have some concepts and functional ideas, but not inspiration/my own imagination ideas how they should look
20:06:15 <andythenorth> I look at shitloads of photos for inspiration
20:06:32 <V453000> I think I am just exhausted atm
20:06:38 <V453000> been working on BRIX hardcore for a month
20:06:38 <andythenorth> but these days I look at photos of weird prototypes and unique things, and things from places you never heard of :)
20:06:42 <andythenorth> yair, I echo that
20:06:52 <andythenorth> road hog + big version 3 day job release
20:06:58 <andythenorth> + no holiday for 6 months
20:07:25 <andythenorth> release without vehicles
20:07:34 <andythenorth> you’ll just get uninformed feedback that is boring
20:07:53 <V453000> yeah "omg vehicles be shit, I never look at BRIX ever again"
20:08:29 <V453000> same time though, there is no maglev vehicles which would actually look nice with BRIX
20:08:36 <andythenorth> I can think of 5 ways to improve them, but eh
20:09:35 <V453000> worst case scenario I will leave them disabled by default
20:09:43 <V453000> there are parameters for everything to disable
20:11:08 <andythenorth> easy fixes: make chassis look functional
20:11:09 <andythenorth> couplings and stuff, they eye knows rectangles don’t join together
20:11:19 <andythenorth> do it realistic-ish, or like magnetic brio trains
20:11:30 <andythenorth> - add some greebles, vents and stuff to engines
20:11:33 <V453000> the coupling is super placeholder
20:11:43 <V453000> but the points help to hear them
20:13:30 <andythenorth> I think there is a shitload of potential by keeping same basic chassis and body style
20:14:10 <V453000> yeah, keep the overall shapes, but build up on them with details which give it sense
20:14:27 <V453000> that way it keeps clarity even with x1 zoom, but gives it that feeling it needs
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20:24:15 <V453000> MonkeyDrone: how do you use trellow wrongly?
20:24:31 <MonkeyDrone> I don't know, i just updated it, you can do a refresh :P
20:28:07 <andythenorth> Road Hog is getting pretty modular
20:28:54 <andythenorth> is easy to make it look more than it is by repainting
20:29:27 <andythenorth> if in doubt, paint white, or 2CC, looks 100% new :P
20:29:40 <V453000> yes XD yellow works nice too
20:31:27 <supermop> andythenorth: i already suggested brio magnets
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20:56:30 <Alberth> why do you post then?
20:59:00 <Supercheese> some men just want to watch the world burn
20:59:40 <MonkeyDrone> how big is that file?
21:00:24 <MonkeyDrone> that's some bullshit damage, lol
21:00:29 <Alberth> with or without all the java script crap that you get?
21:00:44 <MonkeyDrone> also the reason why you need healers :P
21:07:06 * andythenorth should start a ship set
21:07:15 * andythenorth shouldn’t start a ship set
21:11:38 <frosch123> is "sea monkey" still trending? or did you shift to "water melon"?
21:13:28 <andythenorth> I am open to suggestions
21:13:33 <andythenorth> the name is currently the hardest part
21:13:45 <frosch123> it's the most imporant part, isn't it? :p
21:14:03 <andythenorth> HEQS had almost no thought :P
21:14:19 <frosch123> jackie suggest "walter snider"
21:14:41 <frosch123> oh yea, "pirate bay"
21:15:00 <andythenorth> partly, water transport in game is a bit lame
21:15:05 <andythenorth> so hard to get excited :D
21:15:20 <andythenorth> are they lakes, or seas?
21:15:37 <andythenorth> otherwise I just call it ‘merchant marine’, which is meh
21:16:20 <frosch123> will it have roasters?
21:16:25 <frosch123> so, do you need regional names?
21:16:41 <andythenorth> ships are mostly ships
21:16:41 <frosch123> like penguin roaster?
21:16:52 <andythenorth> unless we care about seas versus lakes :P
21:17:15 <andythenorth> roster for european inland waterways quite different to roster for new zealand coast :P
21:17:46 <andythenorth> set lacks a basic idea tbh :)
21:18:03 <andythenorth> ‘ships are crap’ is not enough of a theme :)
21:21:55 <andythenorth> I will automate some of the drawing
21:22:15 <andythenorth> I will limit ship generations also, because ships don’t have any progression
21:23:19 <andythenorth> but eh, rivers, lakes or seas? :P
21:23:31 <andythenorth> maybe chibi toyland ships for Alberth
21:30:36 <andythenorth> along with the brio set
21:30:48 <andythenorth> or maybe V453000 has that covered :P
21:31:17 <V453000> no ships anytime soon though
21:31:25 <V453000> unless I am allowed to make it a floating brick
21:31:51 <frosch123> how about yetis in rubber boats?
21:32:05 <frosch123> one yeti, one cargo item per boat
21:33:01 <andythenorth> wood raft for earlier generation :P
21:33:07 <andythenorth> duck boat is upgrade
21:33:17 <V453000> it would look like the ancient trireme
21:33:25 <V453000> but with duck at the front
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22:49:16 <Wolf01> Back... and everybody already left
23:08:18 <Wolf01> Mmmh, just installed a clone of Train Conductor (the only one available for windows phone)... ingame ads - gay
23:08:44 <Wolf01> And what about if there's a kid playing?
23:14:06 <supermop> good opportunity to learn an anthropology lesson?
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