IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-07-23
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16:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i should start a petition to ban animated avatars
16:54:56 <Alberth> an animated banner would help in your quest I think to get votes
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16:57:15 <Alberth> ut euhm, "display options" has a "display avatars" boolean setting
16:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but avatars are fine, just animated avatars are crazy distracting
16:58:42 <Alberth> make them your foe, so you don't see their messages :p
16:59:03 <Eddi|zuHause> not quite a solution either :p
16:59:24 <Alberth> clearly they didn't intend you to read it, with such an avatar :D
16:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the forum way of ignoring posts is terrrrrrible...
17:00:18 <Alberth> hmm, hide the left side of the browser under some other window, or move it outside the screen?
17:00:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i just put the specific image into the blocklist
17:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that is simply right click->block this image
17:01:40 <Alberth> replaced by black image with white "censored" on it :)
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21:16:06 <andythenorth> after much googling, I have found some of the prototypes for things I already drew :D
21:16:52 <Wolf01> I played with a tiny spider today
21:17:29 <Wolf01> Didn't bother to give it a name, I released it soon after
21:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd have expected that to be more of a maintenance vehicle
21:19:23 <Wolf01> that "buy war bonds"...
21:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "contemporary decorations"
21:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause> at least that's the phrasing they use on historical railway pictures when they have swastikas and stuff :p
21:46:18 <aoeu> hi, does anyone know whether it's possible to use 2013 studio with v14 toolset?
21:55:50 <aoeu> or how to compile openttd without the freaking 8GB studio
22:02:22 <Alberth> using linux eliminates the need for studio stuff :p
22:02:38 <aoeu> sadly some people still use windows
22:05:43 <Wolf01> wait the anniversary update and use the ubuntu subsystem... which might be another 8GB
22:10:33 <V453000> yeah only about 95% XD
22:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use mingw to compile openttd
22:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> as to your original question, no clue.
22:20:39 <aoeu> does mingw compile it properly for all win versions?
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23:10:11 <rosco> Hey guys, I wondered if someone could help me. It looks like newly available rail vehicles aren't showing in the new rail vehicles dialogue. For example, I was just offered a preview on a new train, I said yes, and the new train is now showing in the new rail vehicles dialogue. Has anyone got any suggestions / pointers?
23:11:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to click and hold the rail toolbar icon to switch to a new railtype
23:11:08 <Eddi|zuHause> like electric or monorai
23:11:27 <rosco> ooooohhh they are electic
23:11:34 <rosco> wow, thanks dude, I had no idea
23:12:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not the most obvious feature in the game, yes.
23:14:03 <Wolf01> at least is not ctrl+shift+win+right click while scrolling with the mouse wheel
23:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, we have those kinds of features as well, where people go "wait, i played this game for 20 years and didn't know THAT"
23:16:07 <rosco> haha that sounds like an osx keyboard shortcut... well minus the win key
23:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, pretty much anything you can click has an alternate function when you do ctrl+click
23:17:19 <rosco> my god these electric trains are so much faster
23:18:10 <Wolf01> how to play the entire game with steam/diesel trains
23:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> have you read the forum thread where the guy wanted to play 170 years with inflation and just horses? :p
23:19:57 <rosco> so one more question - can I change key mappings?.. e.g. using wasd instead of the arrow keys
23:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause> rosco: some, but maybe not all of them you can change in hotkeys.cfg (no ingame interface)
23:20:47 <rosco> ahh cool, thanks, I'll take a look
23:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> mind you that these keys already have a function, probably
23:21:45 <rosco> yeah they do by the looks of it, but for shortcuts I think I can live without
23:22:09 <Wolf01> like raise terrain, autorail/road, signals, depot or dynamite
23:23:38 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, wasd for scrolling the map is probably a terrible idea, you either use the mouse to scroll, or you have your right hand free to use the arrow keys
23:24:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (i miss the ability to steer the mouse cursor with alt+arrow keys from TTO)
23:25:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that feature probably got lost in the windows port of TTD
23:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you could perfectly well play TTO without a mouse
23:26:32 <Wolf01> just enable the ease of access to use the keypad when num lock is disabled
23:27:01 <Eddi|zuHause> not the same thing
23:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i don't have windows
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23:28:48 <Wolf01> there's for linux too, I remember I used it
23:29:06 <Alkel_U3> reminds me of that time when I mapped half of the keybord and mouse on my gamepad and played Civ IV with a gamepad :-)
23:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but it never really worked the way i wanted it to
23:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> civ iv seems like a game that is totally tedious without 100 hotkeys
23:31:41 <Alkel_U3> yeah, but I managed to cover about thirty most basic
23:33:19 <Alkel_U3> not that the gamepad has that many buttons, but the profiler software could map a "fn/shift" key, there's the d-pad, second joystick...
23:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure if you rework the interface to allow for something like "press and hold button, then use joystick in 8 directions" for selecting some functions
23:35:42 <milek7> how about playing tetris via traceroute? :>
23:35:58 <Alkel_U3> that would also work for a mouse without a keyboard to an extent
23:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> of the top of my head, the most common keys are probably f,s,a,w and space, then all the specialized worker commands
23:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i misremember the keys and mix them up with civ II :p
23:39:19 <Eddi|zuHause> they shuffled them around occasionally
23:39:39 <Alkel_U3> cant remember what a,w does
23:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> w goes to the next unit without giving the current one an order
23:40:26 <Alkel_U3> hm, I did that with enter
23:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and a activates a unit, i think
23:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> but that might really have been in civ ii
23:44:03 <Alkel_U3> speaking of Civ, I'm curious what's Civ VI gonna be like. After the direction it took with Civ V I'm not even looking forward to it very much
23:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think there was anything wrong with Civ V
23:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but i haven't played it very much in the past few years
23:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and certainly not since i found EU IV
23:45:43 <Alkel_U3> I don't think it's a bad game, I just think it's not a very good Civilization. Not to my taste
23:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually tried a civ IV game a few months ago, it usually goes well until the first person declares war on me :p
23:55:07 <Alkel_U3> first war is the worst one if you're on the defending side :-)
23:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i always found it bad that in epic and marathon mode it scales up the unit costs
23:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause> means you can't react quickly enough
23:56:27 <Alkel_U3> well, yeah, you've got to be prepared
23:56:37 <Alkel_U3> slavery also works well
23:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm almost never "prepared"
23:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and i hate slavery
23:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i barely ever take it
23:57:41 <Alkel_U3> actually, it's only recently that I discovered how wonderful that civic actually is
23:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's pretty crazy
23:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> especially in the early game, if you have lots of food and no health to support large cities
23:59:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and rushing a wonder is also crazy powerful
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