IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-02-09
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00:48:44 <AdmiralKew> I get fees under 'ship running costs' but I'm not operating any ships at all
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02:30:25 <AdmiralKew> So, one of the GRFs I've downloaded somehow gives me a monthly ship running cost even though I haven't had any ships yet
02:36:37 <AdmiralKew> Not sure if it's HEQS, Iron Horse, eGRVTS or OpenGFX+ Vehicles
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02:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it sounds really unlikely that is the reason
02:53:13 <AdmiralKew> Could also be FISH
02:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that one definitely has ships in it
02:57:16 <AdmiralKew> The ship upkeep thing is gone
02:57:27 <AdmiralKew> but now I'm dealing with a negative ship income
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03:04:55 <AdmiralKew> It's something regarding ECS
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03:25:50 <AdmiralKew> It's something native to ECS
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10:36:55 <AdmiralKewl> Should I have merged the bus stop and the dock?
10:39:45 <Alberth> passengers are extremely lazy, they don't walk :p
10:40:34 <AdmiralKewl> Passengers that are meant for the dock go onto the bus stop instead though
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10:44:51 <AdmiralKewl> I also really wish you could specify a minimum/maximum load for vehicles at a certain station
10:46:05 <AdmiralKewl> Say: Train 1 has to be at least 50% full before it can leave the station
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10:56:31 <AdmiralKewl> Is DBSet XL here compatible with oTTD?
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11:00:04 <peter1138> does the download page mention openttd?
11:14:43 <Wolf01> he's right, it doesn't, it says OpenTTD not oTTD ;)
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11:24:27 <Wolf01> uhm, it seem that 2 trains shared the same space in Germany
11:24:41 <M-E> Oh dear. did they do so violently?
11:29:52 <Wolf01> as always, newspapers don't agree... 40 injuried + 8 dead, 100 injuried + 2 dead
11:31:54 <Alberth> time of going to print differs :)
11:41:10 <Clockworker__> it's on CNNs frontpage even
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13:05:46 <Wolf01> I'll drive in the middle of the road :P
13:07:54 <Wolf01> also, I use the central line to keep the road with the fog, as usually the lateral lines are covered with leaves and dirt here... so with no central line I'll align with a tree for sure
13:09:22 <Alberth> no discussions about white versus yellow lines?
13:13:00 <Alberth> please leave your racism at home
13:13:12 <argoneus> im not even racist :(
13:14:37 <Flygon> We sexy, we curvy, we fly :3
13:14:53 <Flygon> Sexy only applies if the other people looking are also Flygons
13:18:33 <Wolf01> Glalie uses blizzard, Flygon is fucked
13:18:45 <Flygon> That's what she said :#
13:32:05 <AdmiralKewl> Is there a mod to increase just the size of the text?
13:32:29 <AdmiralKewl> my eyes are bad, and the 2x UI size in the option makes everything too big
13:41:07 <V453000> nice, managing to get accused of racism argoneus :P
13:43:39 <argoneus> V453000: it keeps happening
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13:50:12 <V453000> the "civilized world" is making me sad
13:52:00 <Flygon> The world is racist against me, clearly
14:01:30 <AdmiralKew_> Well, Formula One is way better then NASCAR #race_discrimination
14:04:41 <V453000> you step on the gas in both? :P
14:06:34 <argoneus> Flygon I think your people are not sexy at all
14:06:44 <Flygon> You hate Australians? D:
14:06:50 <V453000> I learned to ignore most things Flygon says
14:07:27 <Flygon> He's still bitter over the non-weaving cloverleaf
14:07:40 <V453000> that is the last thing tbh
14:08:03 <Flygon> If I've genuinely upset you, I'm willing to correct myself
14:08:10 <argoneus> did you steal his four leaf clover
14:08:16 <V453000> no, not at all, nothing personal
14:08:38 <V453000> vast majority of the stuff you say makes no sense to me, just that
14:09:57 <Flygon> If I ever do upset you
14:10:04 <Flygon> Please make it obvious >_<
14:10:12 <Flygon> I have very poor perception of other's feelings
14:10:48 <V453000> upsetting me is considerably hard
14:12:13 <Flygon> Yes, but I tend to be blind to even considerably
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17:04:06 * andythenorth needs to start a new Lego forum
17:04:33 <Wolf01> ok, you have my attention now
17:04:45 <andythenorth> just annoyed with EB posters
17:04:48 <andythenorth> they are silly bunnies
17:05:02 <Wolf01> the story "lego will sue you"?
17:05:12 <andythenorth> didn’t even see that :)
17:05:31 <Wolf01> the porsche thread, about the mocs of the various parts
17:07:02 <andythenorth> I have up reading before that
17:07:13 <andythenorth> “omg, I can’t believe we have to wait until August for these"
17:07:22 <andythenorth> “Yes, I know. That’s nearly half a year!”
17:07:54 <andythenorth> I wonder if they have to use the picture guides to tell a 13 stud beam from a 15 stud beam
17:08:06 <andythenorth> or if they can count
17:08:36 <andythenorth> also the guy who’s life just won’t be complete until there’s a 1H/2H flagship wheel excavator
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17:16:14 <Wolf01> btw, what set should I purchase with a 35% discount?
17:18:30 <Eddi|zuHause> why does the price even matter? either you're poor enough so you shouldn't buy any at all, or you're rich enough that you can buy all of them... there's nothing inbetween anymore
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17:20:08 <Dumarest> And anything you buy you'll see for half what you paid the next day.
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17:31:16 <andythenorth> Wolf01: what’s left? You have everything good, no?
17:32:30 <Wolf01> I must pick a duplicate... If only the summer sets were spring sets :P
17:32:59 <Wolf01> maybe I'll buy another mercedes arocs
17:34:12 <andythenorth> build the tractor unit
17:34:16 <andythenorth> put the rest in the parts bin
17:34:34 <andythenorth> new pumps, some spare tyres
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17:46:51 <Wolf01> I have... 12? spare tyres (the 42009 crane)
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17:53:58 <V453000> I thought 1 axle = set of 2 wheels?
17:55:38 <andythenorth> tbh, big technic models are boring to build
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19:04:20 <andythenorth> so why don’t most of you compile OpenTTD in a VM?
19:04:33 <andythenorth> in fact, why would you ever compile anything on your host OS?
19:04:40 <andythenorth> (from 3rd parties)
19:05:20 <Mazur> oh, different conversation.
19:07:08 <Milek7> andythenorth: security paranoia?
19:08:15 <Mazur> Would that not be called insecurity paranoia?
19:12:57 <andythenorth> I can trivially grab the contents of your .ssh and send them to a remote url
19:14:24 <andythenorth> depends who you are, but if you ever compile my newgrfs…
19:15:12 <andythenorth> it’s also probably quite easy to get escalated privileges on devzone, by social engineering it if nothing else
19:16:18 <Milek7> it is based on trusting other people
19:17:11 <Milek7> but ok, if i would ever need to compile your newgrf i will do it from separate user ;P
19:17:41 <andythenorth> it doesn’t require evil, only a lack of competence
19:17:55 <andythenorth> and the more I read, the more I am convinced that lack of competence is widely distributed
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19:33:38 * Mazur is not distributing, he is keeping his incompetence all to himself.
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20:07:46 <_johannes> currently, is there only the cargo possible described in cargo_type.h ?
20:08:03 <_johannes> are there no extensions for other cargo types?
20:08:27 <_johannes> (this file describes only temperate, arctic, tropic and toyland)
20:09:47 <Alberth> it lists the default cargoes
20:10:01 <Alberth> newgrfs can also define cargoes
20:10:24 <Alberth> not sure what "type" means here
20:11:20 <_johannes> ah, FOR_ALL_CARGOSPECS seems to list all type of cargo
20:12:52 <Alberth> with some isvalid check
20:18:02 <Alberth> cargo chain window should pull cargoes from the high hat too, maybe you want to check how that works
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20:37:58 <_johannes> Alberth: do you know how the cargo chain window is named?
20:38:32 <Alberth> CargoChain something?
20:39:30 <andythenorth> frosch123: nicely done thanks
20:39:35 <_johannes> no, grep -i did not find "cargo.*chain"
20:39:43 * andythenorth didn’t test, getting children to sleep
20:40:02 <Alberth> IndustryCargoesWindow : public Window industry_gui.cpp 2045
20:41:33 <_johannes> Alberth: oh, I though it would be in the widgets directory
20:41:59 <Alberth> widgets only contains widgets (ie the small elements at a window)
20:42:13 <Alberth> *_gui files contain the GUI windows
20:42:48 <Alberth> *_cmd files the commands
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20:48:12 <_johannes> this is really too complicated :/
20:48:20 <Alberth> hmm, widgets is just widget numbers :p
20:48:34 <_johannes> I mean, these cargo strings
20:49:02 <_johannes> I just wanted to get a map of (cargo id, cargo name) of the current game
20:49:14 <Alberth> the price for having 42 different translations :)
20:49:21 <_johannes> GetString(suffix, GetGRFStringID(indspec->grf_prop.grffile->grfid, 0xD000 + callback), suffix_last);
20:49:40 <_johannes> Not sure if that does it
20:50:12 <_johannes> I was hoping for something like SetDParam(0, carg->Index()); GetString(buf, STR_CARGO_PLURAL, lastof(buf)); but STR_CARGO_PLURAL does not exist
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20:52:13 <_johannes> can someone please hel me how to get this map?
20:52:30 <frosch123> use STR_JUST_CARGO_LIST
20:52:48 <frosch123> with SetDParam(0, 1 << cargoid)
20:54:22 <_johannes> frosch123: how did you know?
20:54:43 <frosch123> i had wrote a gamescript some years ago
20:54:46 <frosch123> which needed the same
20:55:26 <frosch123> anyway, the approach is: check the string codes, figure out which you need, then check whether there is already a matching string
20:55:53 <_johannes> but the "1 <<" ... :D
20:56:00 <frosch123> cargos do not just have names, they have singular and plural forms for specific amounts, and other forms for arbitrary amounds
20:56:05 <andythenorth> now I just need a big run of pipes in the air
21:01:01 <Alberth> _johannes: the parameters is a 32bitset which cargos to print in the list
21:01:47 <Alberth> ie find a spot where that string is used :)
21:05:32 <Alberth> things are designed from required use rather than from the concept itself
21:06:06 <Alberth> also, it's assembly, converted to C, converted to C++ -ish
21:06:41 <Alberth> but good performance :)
21:07:38 <_johannes> this was originally assembler code?
21:08:08 <_johannes> you're kidding now :P
21:08:29 <_johannes> the one from tt deluxe?
21:10:13 <Alberth> btw "assembly" is the language, "assembler" is the program that converts such files to machine language
21:13:57 <_johannes> was the reverse-engineering and using the resulting C code legalised?
21:16:15 <_johannes> I mean if you'd do this with the windows binaries, you'd probably get into prison...
21:18:48 <frosch123> the ownership is unknown, and there is not sufficient financial interest to figure it out
21:18:58 <frosch123> search the forums if you want to know more
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21:35:40 <Alberth> andythenorth: use the "!" button
21:35:52 <andythenorth> oh that’s what that means :)
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22:36:38 <Quatroking> is it possible to group multiple vehicles at once
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22:37:50 <andythenorth> hold ctrl while dragging
22:37:58 <andythenorth> winning feature, only just found it myself :)
22:38:10 <andythenorth> ctrl-drag will also make a new group if needed
22:40:49 <Quatroking> this is going to save me so much time
22:41:24 <FLHerne> Quatroking: Alternatively, 'add shared vehicles' in an existig group
22:41:49 <FLHerne> Is handy if you've created more vehicles since you grouped them initially
22:42:20 <Quatroking> Thanks again, haven't seen that option before
22:42:42 <andythenorth> V453000: criticisms? ^
22:43:08 <Quatroking> Is it normal for a city of 2564 citizens to have 3800 passengers waiting at their busstops
22:43:21 <andythenorth> if you have cdist on yes
22:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> even without cdist
22:46:08 <Quatroking> here's another question: can I change the wait time on multiple stops of one vehicle
22:46:14 <Quatroking> for example, set all stops to a 4 day wait
22:54:54 <FLHerne> Quatroking: Treat populations as being measured in the hundreds or something - like everything else in OTTD, the sizes of different things are ridiculous when you compare them...
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22:56:22 <FLHerne> An articulated bus is longer than an office building, and the train you're taking them to might carry more people than the entire city. So why shouldn't they wait? :P
22:57:56 <Quatroking> Going from city A to B takes a good 20 days, building statues of yourself, etc.
22:58:21 <Quatroking> I don't think there are any cities with statues of transportation CEO's
22:58:25 <Quatroking> other than pyongyang
23:02:19 <Eddi|zuHause> if it were up to me, statues would be replaced by local travel office or something like that
23:03:00 <Quatroking> Do statues add anything other than vanity?
23:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> increase all station ratings by 10%
23:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (around this town)
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23:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause> also, you can't decide where to put them and they can't be moved or removed later on, royally screwing with your restructuring and expanding plans
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