IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-02-05
            
00:03:10 <supermop__> Eddi|zuHause: maybe sentences containing the term "the summoning dark" are better left unparsed
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00:18:12 <Wolf01> 'night
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01:50:39 <zooks> trying to add a new metro rail type to the metro track set, but it doesn't show up in the build list?
01:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> zooks: will only show up when you have a vehicle that runs on it
01:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> zooks: there are some properties you can set so it shows up when another railtype is available
01:54:15 <zooks> right, but why does the standard underground urban show up? I copied the compatible_railtype_list etc
01:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll probably be near the place which defines starting year and such
02:03:59 <zooks> ah thanks, it was actually adding an introduction date that fixed it.
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03:00:28 <zooks> How do I define a track where ALL possible trains can run on, regardless of trainset,type,power,mono/maglev,etc?
03:01:42 <Supercheese> sounds like the Universal rail
03:02:02 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=50041
03:08:00 <zooks> well, I actually want to make about 4 track types that do this, so I was hoping there was a way without redefining railtypes
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10:11:41 <andythenorth> o/
10:11:49 <V453000> heyo
10:13:05 <andythenorth> is done?
10:18:07 <V453000> far from it but progressing greatly
10:18:43 <andythenorth> how long have you got left?
10:18:51 <andythenorth> when is due date?
10:19:05 <V453000> about 2 weeks ago :D
10:19:19 <V453000> half of Jan - half of Feb
10:22:07 <andythenorth> but are you ready?
10:24:31 <V453000> we are I would say :)
10:25:07 <V453000> both mentally and having stuff prepared
10:25:39 <andythenorth> tell me again in 6 months :)
10:25:48 <andythenorth> annoyingly, some people are fine with babies
10:25:49 <V453000> :D
10:26:06 <andythenorth> the baby turns up, fits into their life, everything goes on, just a bit of a bigger family
10:26:15 <andythenorth> :x
10:26:37 <V453000> :)
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10:38:30 <krak> can I add new vehicles in started game or only in new game?
10:40:09 <krak> I download newgrf but I don't see new transport im my loaded game
10:43:11 <Taede> you need to adjust newgrf settings in the main menu, and then start a new game
10:44:09 <krak> Taede: I can't add for saved game?
10:45:09 <Taede> its not impossible, but has been disabled as it will generate unwanted side effects
10:45:16 <Taede> which can be very hard to track down
10:45:43 <krak> ok. thank you
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11:14:37 <Wolf01> hi o/
11:15:01 <Taede> ello
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12:50:10 <argoneus> good morning train friends
12:53:06 <peter1138> ottd needs bicycles
12:53:17 <andythenorth> ja think?
12:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a pizza delivery guy
12:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> but walking passengers, bikes and the like need a different model of passing through each other
12:59:46 <Ketsuban> If passengers drive on the right, they just walk past one another. If passengers drive on the left, they bump into each other, say "sorry", then keep going.
13:24:34 <peter1138> do passengers drive? hmm
13:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on your level of abstraction :P
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14:10:43 <Wolf01> http://www.brothers-brick.com/2016/02/04/union-pacific-emd-sd70-116-model-is-over-27000-lego-pieces/ whoa... massive :O
14:27:46 <M-E> Hottdang that's neat
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14:43:24 <peter1138> now that's a proper lego model
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18:07:30 <Alberth> o/
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18:21:45 <Wolf01> o/
18:23:41 <argoneus> \o
18:32:39 <Wolf01> https://archive.org/details/malwaremuseum?sort=-publicdate ah! msdos malwares museum
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18:38:19 <Alberth> :)
18:41:02 <Wolf01> the only "virus" I got on my pc was an infected demo of GTA1 with a worm... at that time I didn't even know about viruses... ok, I got sasser too because I reinstalled a fresh copy of windows XP and connected it to internet to download the service pack to fix the holes which allowed sasser and friends to join the party
18:42:31 <Wolf01> I just proceded by reinstalling windows, installed the service pack (downloaded with another pc) and a free antivirus... no more viruses or malwares since then
18:45:06 <Wolf01> oh, but @work ages ago we had a virtual machine on a mac to collect the malwares found on the customers pc, we ran them to see the effects :P
18:45:40 <Alberth> that was fun :)
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19:36:56 <Terkhen> Hello
19:37:08 <Wolf01> o/
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19:48:44 <andythenorth> o/
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19:54:23 <andythenorth> hmm
19:54:35 <andythenorth> so I won’t be upgrading to El Capitan if OpenTTD can’t compile
19:54:38 <andythenorth> priorities :P
20:03:46 <Alberth> :)
20:06:57 <Wolf01> o/
20:07:40 <V453000> anybody played age of mythology tale of the dragon?
20:07:59 <andythenorth> no :)
20:08:02 <V453000> I am interested in seeing what it looks like but from reading the reviews about how buggy and literally unplayable it is, I don't think it is wise to buy it
20:09:19 <V453000> mofo dev team released age of empires 2 DLC african kingdoms, and instead of fixing bugs there they immediately moved to making age of mythology DLC in like 2 months XD not hugely surprising it is buggy as shit
20:09:55 <Wolf01> V, like every other new game
20:10:31 <V453000> am proud to be a part of a company which has the "old traditional" approach of doing things properly.
20:10:45 <V453000> how unmodern
20:12:05 <Wolf01> yeah, at least seem that most indie companies are trying to get shit together, at least the ones which don't count workers on 1 finger
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20:24:06 <andythenorth> quak
20:24:27 <frosch123> hoin
20:25:06 <Wolf01> o/
20:25:52 <frosch123> pollen season is starting :p
20:27:12 <Wolf01> yes, reported by a friend of mine 3 days ago
20:27:38 <Rubidium> has it already ended then?
20:35:02 * andythenorth invents a new ship set
20:35:47 <andythenorth> 3 generations of tug, with multiple kinds of barge for different cargos
20:35:53 <andythenorth> only need to draw 3 tugs
20:36:00 <andythenorth> and barges are same for all generations
20:36:12 <andythenorth> basically, all Squid sprites need thrown away
20:36:25 <andythenorth> all / \ angles are wrong length :(
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20:40:38 <V453000> XD
20:40:54 <V453000> andythenorth: dare I ask aboat gameplay benefits? :P
20:41:38 <andythenorth> yes
20:41:39 <andythenorth> dare
20:43:26 <V453000> wat r them?
20:44:00 <andythenorth> finally, a ship set that isn’t crap?
20:44:03 <andythenorth> and isn’t NewShips
20:44:18 <andythenorth> it’s embarassing that the only good ship set is still the first newgrf ever produced
20:44:33 <V453000> define crap
20:44:48 <andythenorth> isn’t hack of trains
20:45:00 <andythenorth> wetrail != ships :)
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20:45:18 <V453000> XD
20:45:24 <V453000> well your ships are nice?
20:45:29 <andythenorth> no crap
20:45:35 <andythenorth> all broken sprites
20:45:37 <V453000> ok but why :D
20:45:41 <andythenorth> lengths wrong
20:45:43 <andythenorth> totally wrong
20:45:45 <V453000> meh players have no clue
20:45:54 <andythenorth> I do
20:45:54 <V453000> ships do not suffer from different lengths at all IMO
20:46:02 <V453000> well yes that is a problem :P
20:46:10 <V453000> but just realize that many people use pineapple trains
20:46:16 <V453000> and with trains stuff is seriously problematic
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20:56:01 <andythenorth> also barges are symmetrical
20:56:10 <andythenorth> so less to draw
20:56:17 <andythenorth> might actually be able to finish it and release 1.0
20:56:43 <andythenorth> also no need for different hull sizes, just have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 barges at 100 tonnes each
20:56:49 <andythenorth> simples
21:03:41 <V453000> hm :)
21:06:28 <andythenorth> I probably won’t do it
21:06:41 <andythenorth> I feel like ships defeated me :P
21:06:57 <andythenorth> industries, trains, RVs, stations all fine
21:07:04 <andythenorth> track set, fine, boring, but fine
21:07:10 <andythenorth> ships, just so much work
21:07:30 <V453000> try base set :P
21:10:11 <andythenorth> you are only one trying :)
21:10:14 <andythenorth> much work
21:10:32 <andythenorth> ho, base set includes ships
21:10:33 <andythenorth> larks
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21:26:38 <V453000> yeah got to make ships at some point
21:26:48 <V453000> but who knows how will they look XD
21:28:03 <Supercheese> the fans generally ship every single combination between characters... oh wait not those kind of ships
21:28:17 <V453000> wtf xd
21:28:32 <Supercheese> :P
21:29:36 <frosch123> V453000: https://www.google.de/search?q=eissegler&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkivOiu-HKAhVFxQ8KHcXmDA8Q_AUICCgC&biw=1299&bih=914 <- ships for frozen sea
21:29:50 <V453000> hrh
21:29:52 <V453000> too realistic
21:29:53 <frosch123> yetis can drive them
21:32:01 <andythenorth> sad times :(
21:32:05 <andythenorth> I have won my ebay game
21:32:10 <andythenorth> and there’s no point playing again
21:32:35 <frosch123> 25k€ of starwars lego?
21:33:15 <andythenorth> nah :P
21:33:18 <andythenorth> trains
21:33:33 <frosch123> but still lego?
21:33:47 <andythenorth> nah, model trains. I have found 21 wagons and 3 engines at good prices
21:33:50 <andythenorth> it took a month
21:33:52 <andythenorth> that’s enough trains
21:33:54 <andythenorth> more is boring
21:35:44 <andythenorth> fun while it lasted
21:38:09 <V453000> XD
21:38:20 <V453000> not going to say anything XD
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21:57:50 <andythenorth> hmm
21:57:53 <andythenorth> 40 years of Bee
21:57:59 <andythenorth> getting bored now :)
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22:10:35 <V453000> 40 years is 10 hours
22:10:36 <V453000> not bad
22:14:57 <andythenorth> I’ve covered lots of the map
22:15:11 <andythenorth> 70 trains / 150 RVs / 70 ships
22:20:49 <andythenorth> Wolf01: have you got the orange unimog?
22:21:05 <Wolf01> no, my bad :(
22:22:29 <Wolf01> buuuuut, I have a friend which owns 2 of them and wants to sell one, so I might get it
22:23:33 <Milek7> is there a way to reload gamescript during game?
22:23:43 <andythenorth> I am considering selling one
22:24:00 <andythenorth> it was in a cupboard, I stripped out the portal axles for parts
22:24:10 <andythenorth> then my 4 year old found it and persuaded me to rebuild it
22:24:18 <andythenorth> he has played with it for 4 weeks solid
22:24:30 <andythenorth> but now he wants to sell it to buy trains, he thinks he’ll get £200 :P
22:24:38 <andythenorth> he’s wrong
22:25:24 <Wolf01> maybe if "as new"
22:25:38 <andythenorth> nah, even boxed, they sell for same as original retail or less
22:25:39 <andythenorth> I think
22:26:31 <andythenorth> hmm, loads on silly prices for ‘buy it now'
22:26:48 <Wolf01> 330€ on amazon
22:26:58 <Wolf01> 290€ on ebay
22:27:41 <Wolf01> 195€ already built, from UK
22:28:16 <andythenorth> I check closed auctions usually
22:28:24 <andythenorth> selling for £130-£200 boxed
22:28:31 <andythenorth> retail was £154
22:29:08 <andythenorth> dunno, I don’t really like it, too big, not fun
22:29:19 <andythenorth> but would I regret selling it?
22:29:29 <Wolf01> I don't sell anything
22:29:39 <Wolf01> I would regret for sure
22:29:40 <andythenorth> I didn’t, but now I’m thinking about it
22:30:00 <andythenorth> I wasn’t selling, because of all the things I wanted when I was 12 and never got
22:30:09 <andythenorth> but eh, it just fills up cupboards :P
22:30:55 <Wolf01> I even thought to purchase 2 more ucs tumbler just to sell them, but I'm sure I would have used them for pieces
22:31:17 <andythenorth> he ha
22:31:26 <andythenorth> they’ll be more new stuff every year
22:32:29 * andythenorth typing wrong :P
22:33:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i'd enjoy that game you are playing...
22:33:46 <andythenorth> the ebay game? Or the Busy Bee game?
22:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the "sell lego" game
22:34:30 <andythenorth> sold a bunch of Lego City this week
22:34:58 <andythenorth> I bought Lego City solidly for last 6 years or so, maybe 1 or 2 per month
22:35:09 <andythenorth> now…too much. Let someone else enjoy it
22:36:27 <Wolf01> buy more house rooms, don't sell lego
22:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't really touched lego in like 15 years
22:37:08 <frosch123> secretly remove some bricks from the wall for more storage place
22:37:34 <Milek7> is there a way to reload gamescript during game?
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22:37:47 <andythenorth> reload the save
22:37:56 <andythenorth> iirc
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22:52:59 <andythenorth> bed
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23:04:30 <Quatroking> you know, I've never thought about it
23:04:56 <Quatroking> but isn't it a bit odd how openttd has tram models that go up to 80km/h
23:05:14 <Quatroking> the trams in rotterdam sure as hell don't pull that off lol
23:05:35 <Quatroking> I've never seen busses do 120 inside city limits either
23:06:26 <Wolf01> then come here, I remember my bus trips to and from school... faster than light (the red light of the traffic lights)
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23:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: if you go fast enough, red light will appear green due to blueshift :p
23:18:21 <Wolf01> ;)
23:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Quatroking: modern trams usually go 70km/h, some specifically designed for it go faster. and hybrid tram/train thingies easily go 100km/h
23:19:03 <Quatroking> within city limits?
23:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Quatroking: what's odd is that there are no speed limits
23:19:42 <Wolf01> they are slow because... ehm... obstacles
23:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Quatroking: in sections separated from roads, yes
23:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Quatroking: in germany, this runs under the name "Stadtbahn"
23:23:50 <Wolf01> 'night
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