IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-02-01
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10:27:02 <lastmikoi> V453000: just saw your screenshots, this is completely stunning
10:28:41 <V453000> :) that is very nice to hear
10:30:59 <lastmikoi> my opinion might be biased by the fact that I never saw high-resolution graphics on openttd :p, but I love the attention to the details nevertheless
10:31:24 <V453000> well, high-resolution graphics for openttd don't really exist, that is the problem
10:31:29 <V453000> zbase does but it is just ugly looking
10:32:05 <lastmikoi> so you're basically the first ?
10:32:51 <Supercheese> Pikka has some nice stuff too, but his baseset didn't meet the kickstarter goal
10:33:23 <V453000> well first ... not exactly, but I do believe that nobody has yet brought a full zoom replacement set to as much of a progress as I am doing so far ... but my focus isnt on being the first, but to have it really nice looking and working for gameplay
10:34:11 <V453000> Pikka indeed does some good stuff, but only trains of his are available, and he neglects the facts of projection by not caring about vehicles on diagonals, which I think is a big shame ... not mentioning missing 8bpp
10:34:29 <lastmikoi> V453000: from the look of it you're going to achieve both feats
10:34:42 <V453000> I sure as hell hope so
10:34:49 <V453000> I already released RAWR, my previous attempt
10:34:59 <lastmikoi> Supercheese: there was a kickstarter ? It has been a *long* while since I've checked on openttd
10:35:08 <V453000> but I didn't like it, it had many problems, and it was lacking proper visual concept
10:35:49 <V453000> my approach is that stuff which I release, will be very final, so the quality requirements are higher and it helps me stay motivated because I can be proud of my project
10:35:55 <V453000> because I sincerely believe it is good
10:36:06 <V453000> RAWR started falling into a point where I can't say that
10:41:48 <lastmikoi> a project of this scale sure requires motivation, glad to hear that you've taken a sane approach to managing this resource :)
10:52:37 <V453000> it is tough, yes. Unimaginably tough ... but step by step it is alright ... I find that having a trello board with small tasks helps a ton
10:52:45 <V453000> over time the small tasks just disappear :)
10:52:52 <V453000> one has to accept that rome just wasn't built in a day
10:53:31 <lastmikoi> yeah, I stumbled upon it by duckduckgoing BRIX (first result actually), it's an awesome tool
11:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the real wtf(tm) is that it has the germany flag on it
11:59:17 <argoneus> good morning train friends
12:15:01 <argoneus> V453000 I bet you aren't even a train friend
12:15:04 <argoneus> I bet you don't even know how to make trains
12:28:06 <Wolf01> pfffff, what I'm grinding at T4 if I can only find crap items?
12:32:13 <Wolf01> lol, I don't even know what killed me
12:34:57 <Wolf01> ok, too many enemies with reflexive damage, I'm killing myself :|
12:39:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that is usually a sign your DPS is too high
12:40:23 <Wolf01> it is either I insta-kill them or they insta-kill me
12:40:51 <Wolf01> it looks like a quake 3 instagib match
12:41:45 <Wolf01> also I can kill easily yellow tier monsters but blue tier ones destroy me
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12:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> are blue ones the ones that come in packs?
12:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably need to focus on defenses there for a bit
12:58:30 <Wolf01> yes, but yellow ones have slaves too
12:59:16 <Wolf01> and I already raised my defenses from ~300 to ~1100
12:59:36 <Wolf01> and with the mantra I could add another 40%
13:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> mind you i'm talking about a game that i never played.
13:04:20 <V453000> from what I figured from D3, you usually need some wtf combo for defense and then focus the rest on offense
13:04:36 <V453000> I enjoyed boon of the hoarder with the belt that gives armor when you pick up gold XD
13:06:05 <Wolf01> killed another demiboss with a little effort :| instead I must avoid blue ones
13:06:54 <Wolf01> also I feel that this game lacks a clear indication of element damage and resistance
13:07:57 <Wolf01> it's not possible to kill a yeti with ice and only scratch him with fire
13:17:19 <V453000> ofc because yetis are protected animals
13:17:33 <V453000> thou shalt not get yeti rekt
13:19:38 <Wolf01> and killing demons with fire because sacred does nothing?
13:21:34 <V453000> idk when I played diablo, I don't think it mattered which element were you using
13:21:45 <V453000> just focus on one thing and get it to do as much dmg as you can
13:21:52 <V453000> is what worked back then
13:22:11 <V453000> admittedly my experience with dps was that you need some retard-strong combination of items usually
13:22:18 <V453000> like chantodos on mage was sick as hell
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14:17:28 <Wolf01> so he now enter, spams and leave? ;)
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14:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> he always did that?
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16:23:33 <Wolf01> being an artist is not a thing you learn, and if you need to just put together things you already have the computer
16:24:35 <Eddi|zuHause> that statement is fundamentally wrong...
16:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> there may be an initial spark of interest or talent involved, but most of "being an artist" is hard work and learning
16:26:32 <Wolf01> you learn techniques and refine your ability, but if you don't have any talent you don't succeed, I can copy a Picasso with enough exercise but I can't make a new one
16:27:02 <Wolf01> and with I, I mean I, not a generic people
16:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> of course nobody other than picasso can make a picasso... but you could make a wolf...
16:28:48 <Wolf01> I can copy, but if you need just to do a work which is a copy, you already have the computer, tell it what you need and for sure it does that faster than me
16:28:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but this exact "i can't ever be the greatest person alive at this, so why even bother starting?" mentality is what kills potential artists
16:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there is always a chance that you bring a new perspective to an existing problem
16:30:14 <Wolf01> I'm not saying that, I simply don't have interest in making graphics or music, I tried and nothing satisfied me, so I put those aside
16:34:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but this is exactly what i said: "i don't have interest/determination" is something vastly different from "i am not an artist"
16:35:34 <Wolf01> you are saying everyone has the potential to do everything, he just want to do it
16:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> well, not necessarily the same potential, but SOME potential
16:36:42 <Wolf01> I call that potential "talent"
16:37:15 <Wolf01> and I can tell you that I don't have enough talent to draw or compose
16:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. i'm not denying that, but nobody has NO talent.
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16:39:00 <Wolf01> without enough talent is like trying to move a train with a car, maybe you will make it with some conditions
16:39:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you can easily move a train with your bare hands...
16:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> let alone with a car
16:39:43 <Wolf01> yes, pushing it down hill
16:39:58 <Wolf01> or if it is a model train
16:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you just have to make sure the brakes are loose and the wheels are oiled
16:40:33 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a guy here who could move a tram solely with a spear pointed at his throat
16:40:33 <Wolf01> but it's still a wasted effort, you have better means to do that, like a locomotive
16:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but you don't know if it will be wasted. maybe no locomotive is available and the cargo in the train is important?
16:46:05 <V453000> I think talent is vastly overrated
16:46:18 <V453000> and used as an excuse in exactly that context
16:46:26 <V453000> sure, things take insane amount of effort to learn
16:47:03 <V453000> btw modelling things like houses/trains/cars from a blueprint is nothing art related
16:47:10 <V453000> just ability to use 3D application
16:47:44 <V453000> when you start drawing/creating your own imagined vehicles/stuff, then it gets artsy
16:47:55 <V453000> but even then, practice can get you very far
16:53:02 <Wolf01> I did some technical drawing, it was boring and just "follow the instructions", I did those and at the end I was like "now what? they are nice, maybe useful, I'll get a good grade but I can't just copy every object I see"
16:56:11 <V453000> I didn't say you personally have to :)
16:56:19 <V453000> people like different things, yes :P
17:01:15 <Wolf01> I'm good at reading, I like to write code (also if I'm not very talented, here again) to see things moving in the screen and I learn easily new things, I only perform well in team or doing stuff like a robot
17:01:26 <Wolf01> that's what I am, right now
17:01:43 <Wolf01> oh, and I really like build with lego
17:02:10 <V453000> is this andythenorth?
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17:10:37 <V453000> tbh making graphics of openttd is 90% avoiding WTF issues with sprite stuff, not creativity with models XD
17:11:07 <V453000> BUT my next train set though :P
17:11:10 <V453000> will be creative as shit
17:12:02 <peter1138> is openttd 2 completed yet?
17:14:46 <argoneus> yeah just need to fix some bugs
17:14:53 <argoneus> it's proprietary though sorry
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17:35:26 <V453000> Wolf01: not enough :P
17:35:47 <V453000> most of my graphics lack details, they are just a general shape
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18:30:56 <Eddi|zuHause> there's always room for improvement...
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20:20:15 <andythenorth> what did I miss?
20:21:04 <Wolf01> a discussion about artist talent
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20:23:18 * andythenorth is tempted to troll
20:25:57 <Alberth> make a traditional economy :p
20:27:02 <Alberth> perhaps call it realistic economy?
20:27:57 <Wolf01> old west economy, but needs a baseset too
20:27:58 <andythenorth> I could make the original TTD economies
20:28:10 <andythenorth> those weren’t the things I was tempted to troll :P
20:28:16 <andythenorth> I was going to troll V453000 and Wolf01
20:28:58 <Wolf01> bah, I understand nothing about art, I don't have that talent, so you are welcome ;)
20:31:44 <andythenorth> ho, the Gold Rush thread
20:33:14 <andythenorth> I can’t see that being anything other than demotivating to Bad Brett
20:33:39 <andythenorth> locked; reason: culture of entitlement drives destroys incentive to make things
20:35:05 <Wolf01> I'll browse youtube for other strange trains collections
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20:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause> seems the dutch are contageous. the city of Kleve now wants to adopt the system of rounding to 5¢ to avoid handling 1¢ and 2¢ coins
21:25:25 <andythenorth> that’s 17m 50s I can spend happily
21:29:58 <andythenorth> I used to run a palletising machine on a drinks-bottling line
21:30:07 <andythenorth> it was remarkably similar in operation :P
21:42:45 <andythenorth> workers are wearing all required PPE (personal protective equipment)
21:43:01 <Wolf01> the best part is at the end
21:45:10 <andythenorth> when they replace the rail?
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21:48:00 <andythenorth> health and safety is different between Europe and India
21:48:28 <Wolf01> the last one is in Germany
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21:50:06 <andythenorth> it’s shot on a long lens, which emphasises the condition of the track
21:50:40 <andythenorth> the wheels treads are about 4x the width of a ‘normal’ rail wheel
21:51:49 <andythenorth> seen that before :)
21:51:59 <andythenorth> Youtube is a nice way to avoid making newgrf :)
22:01:06 <andythenorth> not much lego news now
22:01:46 <Wolf01> do you expect lego to show new sets every 3 days?
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22:16:13 <andythenorth> usually Dokludi has reversed engineered something by now
22:29:59 <Wolf01> maybe he doesn't have enough spare pieces
22:35:26 <Wolf01> "two trains shouldn't be at the same place at the same time"
22:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that's fine, physics will always take care of that
22:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause> (unless you have quantum trains, then it gets a bit sketchy)
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