IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-01-09
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00:06:24 <m1cr0man> nocab seemed to be sticking to buses but it may have been setup wrong
00:15:02 <Eddi|zuHause> there are some AIs that only specialize on one vehicle type
00:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> typically road vehicles are easier to set up
00:15:35 <Supercheese> they do require the least capital investment
00:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't need complicated signal logic, and you can fit them in tighter spaces
00:16:21 <Eddi|zuHause> finding space for the tracks is one of the hardest parts of AIs
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11:36:57 <argoneus> do you do mp or campaign or whatever?
11:37:21 <V453000> mostly mp or skirmishSP
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11:39:43 <V453000> I play random almost always
11:40:26 <V453000> but playing vikings on a land map is kind of meh :)
11:40:43 <V453000> I probably like mongols the most
11:40:49 <V453000> turks probably the least
11:40:55 <argoneus> dude turks are awesome
11:40:59 <V453000> magyars are fucking sick
11:41:08 <V453000> yeah, as long as you have gold
11:41:13 <V453000> turks have terrible trash
11:41:58 <argoneus> you can make regular hand cannons
11:42:04 <argoneus> good luck countering that
11:42:34 <V453000> well, at one point gold runs out on the map
11:42:46 <argoneus> do you do team games?
11:42:49 <V453000> sure, you have trade but even that is usually not enough
11:42:59 <argoneus> when you get your market
11:43:03 <argoneus> you should start pumping those carts
11:43:09 <argoneus> until you have like 40-50 of them
11:43:14 <argoneus> now this is gold mining
11:43:15 <V453000> yeah and die to first knight rush
11:43:30 <argoneus> which maps do you play? arabia?
11:43:42 <V453000> generally quite random, but yes arabia-ish
11:43:50 <argoneus> you can generally wall off 3 sides of your base
11:43:54 <argoneus> and force him to come from one
11:43:56 <argoneus> where you have spearmen
11:44:09 <V453000> yeah, which makes you get to castle later and not have stone for TCs
11:44:20 <argoneus> you wall with your production buildings and houses
11:44:26 <argoneus> or you use palisades
11:44:35 <argoneus> you can sell it or buy tcs
11:44:39 <V453000> but on open maps it aint so easy
11:44:57 <argoneus> one or two directions are generally your teammates
11:45:09 <argoneus> and you can wall one or two relatively easily usually with houses/barracks/blacksmith/whatever
11:45:14 <argoneus> and put your army in the last one
11:45:37 <argoneus> there's always a gap
11:45:44 <argoneus> but you can at least try forcing him to move into your spearmen
11:45:53 <argoneus> if he's not dumb he'll just run away from them and kill your villagers
11:46:07 <V453000> I prefer to get my own knights or xbows instead of spearmen
11:46:50 <argoneus> if you have a quick castle yourself
11:47:07 <argoneus> I was assuming you're going more eco and are still feudal
11:47:08 <V453000> yeah which only costs 650 stone you could invest into TCs and farms
11:47:38 <V453000> assuming not going fast castle is kind of ... :) but yeah on arabia it is not always the best idea
11:47:54 <argoneus> I generally go for archer rush
11:48:09 <argoneus> to punish fast castling
11:48:16 <argoneus> people don't really make skirmishers early on
11:48:19 <argoneus> only the AI loves its skirmishers
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11:49:28 <V453000> what elo do you have? might invite you for a game later
11:53:25 <argoneus> my elo is rather shit, I mostly play with friends
11:53:33 <argoneus> I'm not that good at the game, mostly just read things
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11:53:43 <argoneus> it's like 1620 after 4 games
11:54:14 <argoneus> so if you do invite me don't expect me to carry :P
11:54:27 <argoneus> my real elo is probably somewhere around 1600 too
11:57:23 <V453000> well I also get my ass kicked in 1800+ games even though I have around 1750 but idk :) just having fun
11:58:03 <argoneus> idk why but I hate 1v1s
11:58:09 <argoneus> in every game pretty much
11:58:24 <argoneus> too much pressure, one mistake and it's over
11:58:40 <V453000> 1v1s are awesome, but yeah, pressure, being serious, just not for me anymore
11:58:56 <argoneus> I had enough of pressure and 1v1s in brood war
11:59:11 <argoneus> I don't want to play aoe2 to watch my replays over and over again and figure out build orders
12:03:11 <argoneus> also I like black forest scrubbing
12:03:26 <argoneus> it eliminates any fear of a knight rush and I can just focus on my macro and then still end up with more units than the enemies
12:03:33 <argoneus> because people around 1600 can't make villagers or I don't know
12:03:55 <argoneus> or maybe it's people playing black forest aren't very good
12:04:32 <argoneus> V453000: do you go for boar+deer, just boar or is it too much effort?
12:05:01 <V453000> any food I can get, to get to castle asap :)
12:05:20 <argoneus> I wish the game was more responsive
12:05:23 <argoneus> the netcode isn't great
12:05:30 <V453000> the delay is utter horseshit
12:05:36 <argoneus> and the attackmove doesn't really work
12:05:50 <argoneus> >attackmove my cavalry archers into enemy army
12:06:00 <argoneus> >they volley the siege rams in front
12:12:23 <V453000> Well that is how the game is :) you can micro better :P also, longbows in BF games would be fuck OP without this shit with rams :)
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12:13:13 <V453000> Same with plumed archers etc
12:15:25 <V453000> Also the african kingdoms are nice
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12:44:29 <argoneus> I only bought forgotten kingdoms
12:44:34 <argoneus> realized people still play vanilla more in MP
12:44:39 <argoneus> and haven't touched it since
12:44:49 <argoneus> "vanilla" == "the conquerors"
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16:13:23 <Wolf01> nice, i may go there in march
16:26:58 <Alberth> 15 sites that want to run scripts?
16:34:57 <Wolf01> i enable scripts only for the main site
16:35:13 <Wolf01> if the content still doesn't show up i close the page :P
16:36:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i disabled all scripts...
16:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i was just flying around, when i looked up and there was a solar eclipse...
16:38:48 <argoneus> what are you guys working on?
16:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> making a mun base
16:40:24 <Wolf01> every time i open my game it gives me headaches, and for the real work, i'm still waiting for the customer qhich "i'll give the pictures today's afternoon"... yesterday
16:41:52 <Wolf01> also i bet i won't see the money for this work
16:50:19 <argoneus> Wolf01: which game??
16:50:33 <Wolf01> the game i'm developing
17:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> is that new for you?
17:14:51 <Wolf01> no, i knew them all, but i never tried to put them together
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17:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, turns out you can't run an atmosphere test while submerged in water...
17:45:26 <Mazur> Depends,when you're near the surface, and the sun is shining, it creates a rather nice atmosphere, I think.
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19:30:22 <luizrpgamer> hi devs and all :)
19:31:37 <luizrpgamer> sorry for the question that has nothing to do with OpenTTD, but anybody here want to continue to develop lincity-ng game?
19:33:19 <luizrpgamer> or make a fork of lincity-ng game?
19:33:42 <frosch123> never played it specifically, but i think that genre does not have enough depth
19:35:20 <Alberth> it's a pretty slow game
19:45:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27491 trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt (2016-01-09 19:45:38 +0100 )
19:45:47 <DorpsGek> croatian: 1 change by VoyagerOne
19:46:41 <luizrpgamer> but it would be possible to continue to develop it leaving it less slow? for example, OpenTTD? the game for me was abandoned in development issue
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20:04:37 <Alberth> I believe that would make it a quite completely new game
20:05:03 <Alberth> you'd have to design what to do between the actions you do now
20:08:19 <Wolf01> i still can't understand why do i need to explicit the constructor on a class which extends a base abstract class which already has a standard constructor
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20:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> KSP still crashy...
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20:26:24 <frosch123> it's so weird to write a regression test, that starts a webapplication, then runs stuff that communicates via http with it, and then kills everything again
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20:29:18 <Wolf01> are you testing the api of something?
20:29:55 <frosch123> makefile -> start eints, wait 2 seconds, run tests, kill eints
20:33:19 <Wolf01> @work we had a discussion about the right way to test apis, it came out that you don't need to test the api directly, you only need to make sure the client is able to comunicate, but instead you should test the functions of the system with unit tests instead
20:33:26 <m1cr0man> Have you considered trying to push openttd through steam greenlight?
20:34:14 <frosch123> that idea was discarded 5 years ago
20:34:22 <frosch123> Wolf01: yes, true in theory
20:34:38 <frosch123> but i don't want to refactor eints completely :p
20:34:47 <Wolf01> you don't need to refactor
20:35:04 <Wolf01> ok, it depends on how it's really written
20:35:45 <frosch123> i may have to write a complete mock for bottle and the http lib
20:36:09 <Wolf01> no, just mock some standard responses
20:38:08 <Wolf01> you might spend a week writing unit tests, but at the end you are pretty sure that they tell you if the app is broken
20:41:56 <Wolf01> also.. the proof i don't think enough before typing code: how i'm supposed to use a windows service which doesn't have an interface to manage the connected devices via companion app? a local companion app?
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20:59:21 <V453000> wtf just spent 2.5h with just one aoe game
20:59:29 <V453000> uninstalling immediately XD evening gone
21:00:41 <Wolf01> hah! n00b, i spent 6 hours on a stalled supreme commander game
21:01:12 <Wolf01> then i decided to build a superweapon
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21:27:51 <V453000> anybody with some audio knowledge? Trying to decide between Audioengine A2+ and bose companion 20
21:30:49 <V453000> want them for office on the table, so size is kind of a thing, dont want sub for the same reason
21:31:57 <frosch123> what? speakers for the office? do your roommates know about that? :p otherwise you should rather look for headphones
21:33:19 <V453000> those I have, but I am often alone in the whole office
21:34:08 <V453000> it is wtf hard to choose audio hardware based on internet reviews and stuff
21:34:39 <V453000> one group of nerds like those, one group of nerds likes these. same as apple x android in phones, or whatever else
21:35:05 <frosch123> hehe, with pc hardware i switched to buying professional hardware
21:35:26 <V453000> how does one distinguish professional hardware?
21:35:26 <frosch123> i was tired of every description saying "this is the best graphics card ever"
21:35:41 <frosch123> but noone telling me whether it would drive two screens
21:36:24 <frosch123> V453000: for pc there are usually complete separate series. but you notice them that they have a huge amount of numbers and facts and less bullshit talk
21:36:55 <frosch123> as for graphics cards: number of screens supported, resolutions, number of shaders, number of triangles per second, ...
21:37:10 <V453000> meh I just got gtx 980 Ti :P
21:37:26 <m1cr0man> Theres is a method to the madness, at least on the nvidia side of things
21:37:34 <m1cr0man> and there are general rules you can follow too
21:37:39 <m1cr0man> sound is a different deal though
21:38:20 <V453000> yeah sound is super subjective
21:39:07 <m1cr0man> I pulled an old Soundblast Audigy DG2 out of a parts box I found, which was built pre-2003 afaik. It sounds great and I use it for gaming + music all the time. But I have turtle beach headphones, and I have to push them against my head to hear bass
21:39:30 <m1cr0man> Also, its hard to tell what the soundblaster is doing until I use something else with the same headphones
21:44:21 <V453000> well that is cute but for 3d graphics for me, quadro just does not cut it
21:44:34 <V453000> the sheer amount of cuda cores for the geforce just beats quadro to death
21:44:49 <V453000> esp when considering the price
21:45:29 <V453000> wtf do you use a quadro for anyway? XD
21:46:03 <frosch123> i just wanted in 2010 a card that drives two screens, and it was the only one that stated that non-ambiguous :p
21:46:35 <frosch123> as said, i only switched to the professional series, because it was impossible to know what the regular one did
21:47:35 <frosch123> how many screens does your 980 ti support?
21:48:06 <Wolf01> my gtx780 supports 3 screens iirc
21:48:56 <frosch123> and that's when multiple screens are way more common than in 2010
21:49:39 <V453000> lol Limit 3 per household
21:52:25 <V453000> I use 2 screens only anyway, and not thinking about adding a third ... but blender is enjoying this shit. :)
21:54:36 <V453000> I havent been able to get gpu rendering to work with 3ds max properly yet
21:54:45 <V453000> which is also kind of a shame ..
21:58:32 <V453000> I think I will go with bose
21:58:48 <V453000> either solution is probably good
22:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> "Sony wants to register the trademark 'let's play'"
22:34:44 <Eddi|zuHause> how can that even be legal?
22:36:53 <frosch123> the movie "pixels" did not become famous because of the movie
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22:46:43 <planetmaker> does "prior art" apply also to trademarks or is registering it possible when it's already used, and can be means to piss-off people?
22:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i know practically nothing about american trade mark law, and very little about the german one
22:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but trademarks are usually void if the term is "generic"
22:48:35 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: maybe you should trademark "trademark" including "®"
22:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but the problem with that is that you usually have to go through expensive court battles to get that official.
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