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00:54:32  <drac_boy> hi

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00:59:53  <drac_boy> oh and wolf01 took me a while to remember where I saw it but hope you like this? http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/legonina/Western-Monorail/loko03.jpg that was one of the few things that initially inspired me .. talk about one-rail trains like I was saying :P

01:00:28  <drac_boy> the little white thats visible between cab and the little tender is the actual drive motor if you had to ask btw :)

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01:07:02  * drac_boy also went through many long posts on the german forum :-s (was just curious what kind of graphics they had over there heh)

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01:24:02  <Wolf01> yeah that's nice

01:24:07  <Wolf01> but, 'night

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11:53:48  <argoneus> good morning train friends

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11:54:33  <V453000> oh so thats why yeti development has died out https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12279040_10153753763869826_1845360019544322951_n.jpg?oh=a6ab49fa4edbf1b9b00e2311cbf76427&oe=571928B5

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12:39:52  <juzza1> Could someone enable CF push builds for http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/make-nml-juzza1/ please?

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12:47:25  <Wolf01> moin

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14:22:07  <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with Belugas?

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14:53:26  <andythenorth> hmm

14:53:32  <andythenorth> time to redesign Squid

14:53:37  <andythenorth> it’s been a while

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14:57:47  <andythenorth> also why are all these industries on the top of mountains?

14:57:48  <andythenorth> :P

14:58:27  <V453000> sup the north

14:58:33  <V453000> roadtypes?

14:59:37  <andythenorth> meh

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15:03:59  <andythenorth> V453000 render ships for me?  max realisms?

15:04:52  <V453000> shit on ship

15:05:26  <V453000> atm I am solving the issue of vehicles getting longer in side and top/front views

15:05:39  <V453000> the only outcome looks like two models

15:06:03  <V453000> which is kind of bullshit because I want to rig some mechanisms and animate it

15:06:13  <V453000> making those twice is quite a big wtf

15:06:35  <V453000> perhaps I should just take a brush and draw it all and be done quicker XD

15:09:20  <V453000> ON THE OTHER HAND ships do not really mind if they are shorter in the side view :P

15:09:27  <V453000> I am starting to see the advantages andythenorth

15:10:26  <andythenorth> advantages of...?

15:10:27  <andythenorth> o_O

15:11:53  <V453000> of shits

15:12:07  <V453000> can make just one 3D model, no issues ever

15:12:14  <V453000> while trains have to remain consistent in curves

15:12:26  <juzza1> how would it look if _ is in right perspective, and the others are shortened

15:12:53  <V453000> super chubby

15:13:32  <V453000> the / \ already look like the vehicle is very short, taking a longer one and scaling it in that direction would probably make it even worse

15:13:43  <V453000> I think the only 100% solution is two 3D models

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15:15:02  <andythenorth> just chibi it in both dimensions

15:15:10  <V453000> especially if your vehicle has big round shapes, the round shapes are extremely visible when stretched

15:15:35  <V453000> side view will still be way less chibi :P

15:15:39  <V453000> 40% is shitload

15:15:46  <andythenorth> yea….

15:15:51  <juzza1> wheels and such arent that bad looking when squashed in / view, but yeah, theres the chubbiness, though i dont see how you can reduce that even with two models without altering the height between views

15:15:57  <andythenorth> also, nobody knows what is ‘correct’

15:16:02  <andythenorth> so I have stopped making ships

15:16:08  <andythenorth> V453000 ^ easiest answer

15:16:18  <andythenorth> no point doing any work if it’s just wrong

15:17:02  <V453000> well with 3D models the correct can seem to be the 3D coordinates of the model, ignoring that the projection of bullshit sprites change the dimensions

15:17:09  <andythenorth> also

15:17:11  <V453000> yes that is kind of true juzza1

15:17:21  <andythenorth> instead of 2 models, can you have 2 cameras?

15:17:43  <V453000> yeah but that is the same as if you just stretch/scale the model

15:17:48  <V453000> I did that in NUTS

15:18:05  <V453000> it kind of works on the first sight but especially with some objects, the stretching is just visible

15:18:30  <V453000> with DOOM I tried to work in 120% scaling, and used 100% for /\ and 140% for side

15:18:38  <V453000> the concept sounds cute but the difference is still weird

15:19:40  <andythenorth> making 2 models is boatloads of work

15:19:51  <V453000> yes and no

15:19:52  <andythenorth> for something most people will never notice

15:20:04  <V453000> people do notice andy

15:20:19  <andythenorth> for ships?

15:20:21  <V453000> Pikkas approach is just utterly wrong, I hate that ... and stretched things do look weird

15:20:24  <V453000> not for ships

15:20:27  <V453000> ships do not care at all

15:20:31  <V453000> there the problem is nonexistent

15:20:40  <andythenorth> trains is different to ships

15:20:46  <andythenorth> trains is headache

15:20:49  <andythenorth> RVs also

15:20:54  <V453000> yes am talking about trains

15:20:58  <V453000> RVs slightly less

15:21:07  <andythenorth> try lining up articulated RVs nicely :P

15:21:07  <V453000> RVs are visible on diagonal only for a short period of time

15:21:16  <V453000> and do not need to be super consistent

15:21:17  <andythenorth> but depot and buy menu...

15:21:20  <andythenorth> means hacks

15:21:26  <V453000> well sure

15:21:27  <andythenorth> haxor

15:21:37  <V453000> but that is just 1 view, and you make 1 view fit to itself, easy

15:21:39  * andythenorth has just invented a new art style

15:21:43  <V453000> trains is combining the 2 views

15:21:49  <V453000> which is THE bullshit

15:22:03  <andythenorth> all vehicles are like a flat piece of card, no front view, only side

15:22:15  <andythenorth> like characters in board games

15:22:17  * andythenorth looks for image

15:23:35  <V453000> well, if you would do it in an interesting way then it could be nice

15:23:48  <V453000> but interesting probably means any kind of sensible detail which would again be prone to stretching

15:24:30  <andythenorth> yeah, but easy to fix by scaling

15:24:32  <andythenorth> maybe

15:24:33  <andythenorth> dunno

15:24:37  <andythenorth> also would look cool

15:24:52  <V453000> yes but 99% people would probably not find it playable

15:24:58  <andythenorth> ach just make the whole thing a 3D world

15:25:03  <andythenorth> rotateable camera

15:25:06  <andythenorth> problem solved

15:25:28  <V453000> when I see how shit zbase is, I cant imagine how bad would 3D openttd end up

15:25:43  <V453000> though, non-textured clean colourful style could work

15:26:56  <andythenorth> also I am confused

15:27:00  <andythenorth> I thought you quit due to RL?

15:27:04  <andythenorth> o_O

15:27:11  <andythenorth> not so?

15:27:34  <V453000> not entirely

15:27:42  <V453000> I am busy as fuck, yes

15:27:52  <V453000> but doing things helps me get more experience and stuff

15:28:01  <V453000> also I have utterly revolutionary gameplay idea for a train set

15:28:11  <V453000> and I really want to see it happen

15:29:27  <andythenorth> one powered wagon, refits everything

15:29:33  <andythenorth> graphics for all things

15:29:36  <andythenorth> 5 generations

15:29:40  <andythenorth> one railtype

15:30:26  <V453000> actually about 8 wagons, each refits everything

15:30:30  <V453000> graphics for all things

15:30:43  <V453000> generations dont matter but probably some evolution of engines would be nice

15:30:55  <V453000> multiple railtypes (like 3-5)

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15:31:33  <V453000> the core idea is that you have one train engine, and put some wagons behind it. Depending which wagons you choose, and where you put them, would adapt the train performance

15:31:55  <V453000> ie power wagons, speed wagons, tractive effort wagons, extra capacity wagons, loading speed wagons, ...

15:32:11  <V453000> and if you put them closer to engine, they give more bonus, further away from engine lesser bonus

15:32:15  <andythenorth> ha ha

15:32:18  <andythenorth> innovation :)

15:32:18  <V453000> -> you can assemble any train you want

15:32:45  <V453000> -> you can autoreplace between wagon types to try what works for you

15:33:06  <V453000> -> it is way the fuck less WTF than PURR/MEOW (trains adapting stats to railtype), and gives more train building options

15:33:40  <V453000> though, there will be at least one train/wagon which will allow for track detection and adapting to it, simply because it allows for some great things with conditional orders

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15:41:27  * andythenorth considers doing same for ships

15:41:31  <andythenorth> but using subtype refits :P

15:42:17  <V453000> if you cant combine them from many subsegments, it isnt nearly as good :P

15:42:29  <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds terribly pointless

15:42:52  <V453000> I dont think refit to subtypes should affect performance

15:43:02  <V453000> colours etc, sure

15:45:55  <peter1138> Gearing?

15:45:58  <peter1138> Tee hee

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15:51:37  <V453000> heh yeah

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17:30:23  <argoneus> Belugas: I think your internet might be fucked

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18:51:02  <Alberth> o/

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19:14:37  <andythenorth> o/ Alberth

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19:34:51  <FR^2> o/

19:39:31  <argoneus> that's a lot of hands

19:40:11  <frosch123> most people have more hands than brains

19:47:57  <Mazur> \o

19:55:54  <Wolf01> o/

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