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02:20:39 <argoneus> drac_boy: I wanted to tell you before
02:20:41 <argoneus> you can buy factorio
02:20:47 <argoneus> and refund it if it doesn't run
02:21:19 <drac_boy> either way what you doing atm?
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02:22:00 <argoneus> watching game of thrones
02:22:51 <drac_boy> not much atm..just kinda wondering a bit about vehicles (the real ones sorry heh)
02:29:08 <drac_boy> I did kinda wonder about seeing Spectre .. we'll just have to see when then
02:37:09 <drac_boy> kinda funny that I think its the first bond movie to be reusing a car from a much earlier time tho .. the austin martin yeah
02:37:31 <drac_boy> admittly I think someone reviewing the trailer mentioned that it had a few features less than the original one
02:53:29 <drac_boy> anyway think going for now
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10:01:18 <andythenorth> can I make a railtype which forbids junctions and signals?
10:03:42 <andythenorth> one vehicle per track
10:03:58 <andythenorth> use transfer stations (‘pumping stations’) for longer routes, or to split cargo
10:04:19 <andythenorth> I use PIPE grf a lot, but thinking of making my own version
10:04:35 <andythenorth> routing PIPE like normal trains is weird
10:05:05 <Alberth> I suspected already it's for your pipelines :)
10:05:55 <andythenorth> I can’t see us adding a new type for this ever
10:06:11 <andythenorth> especially because Factorio
10:21:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the answer is no
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12:27:27 <frosch123> i like how some people write stuff in all caps, and how they struggle when they encounter a ß
12:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i came across such a line earlier, but i don't remember where
12:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i found it funny because you could easily confuse "groß" with "grob"
12:29:32 <frosch123> i get assigned a new ip every day, and my browser is configured to reveal as little as i mananged to configure it
12:30:04 <frosch123> result is, the first time i visit youtube each time, it gives me the german mainstream bullshit
12:30:07 <frosch123> which i never watch
12:30:26 <frosch123> only after i enter the first thing into the searchbar, i get my regular targetted stuff
12:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> they introduced this new "trend" category, where you can get back to the regular german mainstream stuff :p
12:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway... i would just write SS...
12:34:26 <frosch123> i know 4 versions: ß (single lower case letter between all caps), SS (likely the normal thing to do), SZ (the artist way to do it), � (unicode uppercase ß, which no font knows what to really draw for)
12:35:00 <Alberth> ha, big cats like boxes too :)
12:36:30 <frosch123> the big cats even like humans
12:37:04 <Wolf01> the same way they like their lunch?
12:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i get a "missing glyph" glyph
12:37:32 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i expected no less :)
12:38:02 <frosch123> it's just forwarding the problem to the font guys
12:38:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess there is such a thing as "too nerdy" to implement :p
12:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i once got told this story, that in the early days of computing (before computers could do ß), the west germans put "ss", and the east germans put "sz", so when the computers finally could do ß, the east germans could more easily roll it back...
12:41:05 <frosch123> i heard the same story, but about type writers around 1890
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12:41:28 <Eddi|zuHause> there was no east germany in 1890 :p
12:41:38 <frosch123> anyway, if i had to make the decision, i would favour SZ
12:41:56 <frosch123> it has better semantics
12:42:09 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: seismic activity?
12:43:18 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the old germany had more of a north-south-division
12:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it still has that, we call it the "weißwurstäquator"
12:44:14 <frosch123> the old old germany had more of a west-middle-east division
12:44:46 <frosch123> i read that karl I is also considered the first french king
12:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the french are kinda in denial of their german heritage
12:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> which is also why they over-romanticise the gauls
12:49:36 <frosch123> i am always amazed by the french-english stuff
12:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i always feel i know not enough about that stuff
12:50:02 <frosch123> like england declared "indepenene" from france, and france teams up with scotland
12:50:16 <frosch123> us declared independence from england, france helps them
12:50:31 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i thought you played eu4?
12:50:51 <frosch123> so you should know about 100-year war
12:50:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but so far i neither played england nor france :p
12:51:19 <argoneus> good morning train friend amigos muchachos
12:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i also knew about the 100 year war before... but only very minimal...
12:51:51 <argoneus> do I see eu4 discussion hre
12:51:57 <frosch123> yes, because it is europen history without germany being involved :p
12:52:20 <argoneus> 100 year war in eu4 is very historical
12:52:27 <argoneus> when england declares war on you as france
12:52:36 <argoneus> you ally spain, portugal and austria
12:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i also only know very minor details about the reconquista
12:52:44 <argoneus> and that's how the french won the war
12:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i feel like starting as a superpower like france or ottomans is like cheating
12:55:17 <frosch123> i guess you are not allone on that :)
12:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so far i played games as saxony, genoa, japan, iroquios, cherokee and the hansa
12:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and nowgorod
12:55:30 <argoneus> playing merchant republics is not cheating
12:55:36 <argoneus> getting 40 ducats a month after 10 years
12:55:44 <argoneus> actually being able to sustain mercenaries
12:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they now split apart the hansa into individual cities
12:56:22 <argoneus> i haven't played since cossacks
12:56:43 <argoneus> genoa is like the easiest country to form italy with
12:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't attempt to form italy as genoa
12:57:00 <argoneus> milan is the second easiest but you have to kill genoa asap
12:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> as genoa i conquered greece and southern spain, then went colonizing
12:57:40 <argoneus> saxony is fairly hard granted
12:57:51 <argoneus> japan is frustrating and boring
12:58:04 <argoneus> ever since they made diploannexing take 500 years
12:58:13 <argoneus> it's faster to just kill everyone as the shogun
12:58:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i played japan before that...
12:58:45 <frosch123> argoneus: i heard kongo is the most fun to play :p
12:59:20 <argoneus> it's an isolated country that has potential to get westernized very early
12:59:27 <argoneus> and it sits on a trade node iirc
12:59:34 <argoneus> it's an interesting start to say the least
12:59:51 <frosch123> afaik you have to fast-forward 200 years before you can do anything at all
12:59:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you "sit" on the trade node if you manage to colonize before the europeans
13:00:11 <argoneus> but isn't the biggest threat portugal?
13:00:18 <argoneus> or spain or whoever likes that area that game
13:00:25 <Eddi|zuHause> biggest threat, or biggest ally?
13:00:49 <argoneus> I don't think colonists liked people of black skin
13:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i found that the AI rather tries to colonize america first
13:01:40 <argoneus> if there's an england player who actively colonizes the carribean (because AI never does that)
13:01:54 <argoneus> then either portugal or spain go to south america instead
13:01:57 <argoneus> and the other guy goes to africa
13:02:00 <argoneus> from my observations at least
13:02:24 <argoneus> I've seen portugal colonize most of african coast
13:02:40 <argoneus> normally they just take ivory coast, south africa and hurray to india
13:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i only played countries which enter the colonization race rather late, so the caribbean was always already colonized by the time i arrived
13:03:20 <argoneus> I never bothered colonizing when I wasn't early to the race
13:03:27 <argoneus> caribbean is way too overpowered
13:03:29 <argoneus> unless they changed it
13:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause> like as hansa, i barely managed to get havanna, and put a trade center there, because it's fairly crucial in my trade network
13:03:55 <argoneus> basically if you hold the caribbean, then most of north and south american trade goes through there
13:04:01 <argoneus> and then you profit off other's colonies
13:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it's rather difficult to get all the world's trade to the north sea
13:04:48 <argoneus> as hansa I just went full battlemerchant on everyone
13:05:09 <argoneus> actually I go full kill-everything as every nation except the colonisators
13:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, sort of, but it's easier when you make 300 in trade than 40 :p
13:05:22 <argoneus> well, you see, that's the trick
13:05:28 <argoneus> you kill england and netherlands
13:05:37 <argoneus> meanwhile england colonizes everything
13:05:46 <argoneus> and then you get all that sweet trade in the english channel
13:05:49 <argoneus> without ever having to go to america
13:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i took london from england, and vassalized netherlands when they had like 2 provinces, then fed them all others
13:06:26 <Eddi|zuHause> then i never had admin points to get more of england
13:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> nor a diplomat to annex netherlands
13:06:45 <argoneus> I feel like they increase coring and diploannexing costs every patch
13:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> which really does take 100 years
13:06:54 <argoneus> it's like they want to turn this game into a geopolitical simulator
13:07:01 <argoneus> it used to be a fun map painting simulator :(
13:07:08 <argoneus> might as well play victoria
13:07:22 <argoneus> also aggressive expansion
13:07:26 <argoneus> they keep changing that too
13:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i now can steer trade through 3 routes: {china,india}-samarkand-moscow, indonesia-africa-caribbean-st. lorenz gulf, and persia-aleppo-constantinople-vienna
13:09:13 <argoneus> that's a lot of land
13:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> all of those with about 70% efficiency
13:09:30 <argoneus> I prefer playing countries like brandenburg
13:09:39 <argoneus> at first you pretend that you are just another irrelevant HRE country
13:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> where you form prussia and just clobber everyone?
13:09:47 <argoneus> and then all the morale and discipline ideas kick in
13:09:53 <argoneus> and then you roflstomp stacks twice your size
13:10:02 <argoneus> with 3 star generals
13:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm doing pretty good with hanseatic germany
13:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hanse has a nice morale boost
13:11:06 <argoneus> does hansa have a -merc cost idea?
13:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, no i think the morale boost is from plutocratic
13:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played this last week... as i was trying to devise a way to port my hansa game from 1.12 to 1.14, which is non-trivial
13:12:47 <argoneus> I wish I cared that much about my games
13:12:52 <argoneus> I just shrug it off and start a new game
13:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> because when i just load the game, my trade income drops like 20%, and i'm 100 above my force limit
13:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> which moves my monthly surplus from +150 to -300
13:13:49 <argoneus> are you sure it's the save's fault?
13:14:05 <argoneus> if the game mechanics changed
13:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> also, liberty desire gets bumped up
13:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and it sort of does matter whether it's 45% or 55%
13:15:09 <argoneus> just make them change religion
13:15:14 <argoneus> that will make them happy :^)
13:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i did that earlier :p
13:15:42 <argoneus> I actually tried an austria game once
13:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> was exeptionally fun when i "asked" vatican to change religion :p
13:15:50 <argoneus> where I decided to kill the reformation before it spread
13:15:56 <argoneus> that is, forceconvert everything asap
13:16:17 <argoneus> even if you get all the centers, people still keep converting
13:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i just force-converted everyone to protestantic that was small enough to do so...
13:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> especially one-province thingies in separate piece
13:18:36 <argoneus> yeah, that's what I had to do as austria as well
13:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and i started the league war before france could join a side
13:18:49 <argoneus> when the reformation starts, austria isn't xenophobic yet, so you don't get a CB
13:19:20 <argoneus> I was actually wondering why the leagues weren't starting in that game as well
13:19:28 <argoneus> I was like "I guess I beat the protestants so hard there's no leagues"
13:19:37 <argoneus> and then I read on the wiki at least one elector needs to be protestant for it to start
13:20:02 <argoneus> that sucked, because I couldn't enforce religion in the HRE :(
13:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so stomping is the wrong strategy?
13:20:35 <argoneus> well, if I were to do it again
13:20:46 <argoneus> first you want to make sure everyone in the HRE is relatively small, so you can force convert them
13:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i only played a small test game as austria, to see how the personal union mechanic works
13:21:11 <argoneus> then you pray to God that a center doesn't spawn in denmark or england or such
13:21:24 <argoneus> and once you have all 3 centers in the empire, you curbstomp them asap
13:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but to force union on bohemia you must be quick, because they put their own dynasty in later
13:21:44 <Alberth> /me plays GH reviewing
13:22:10 <argoneus> all you can do is marry bohemia on game start
13:22:15 <argoneus> and 80% of the time you don't get a PU anyway
13:22:33 <argoneus> after the year 1500, if you have more provinces than hungary or bohemia
13:22:39 <argoneus> you get a mission to force them into a PU
13:22:53 <argoneus> no matter who they have on the throne
13:23:00 <argoneus> austria just randomly gets a mission to get them as PU
13:23:30 <argoneus> so in around 1510, if all goes well, you should have half of italy (to prevent shadow empire), and bohemia+hungary under PU
13:23:36 <argoneus> and if you were lucky, then burgundian inheritance as well
13:23:39 <argoneus> now that's a good start :P
13:24:03 <argoneus> and if you are even more proactive
13:24:09 <argoneus> you can exploit the missions and revoke privilegia in around 1490
13:24:12 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i'll do a real austria game one time
13:24:16 <argoneus> and then you get a vassal swarm too
13:24:23 <argoneus> and you can't really lose a war ever again
13:24:43 <argoneus> and then there's the frustrating things
13:24:47 <argoneus> if your king dies and you get a female heir
13:25:06 <argoneus> or you have to pass a decision that allows female heirs, but that costs authority
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13:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i think once the reformation kicks in, you're going to have a hard time on authority anyway
13:25:56 <argoneus> you want to pass like 1-3 decisions when it pops
13:26:02 <argoneus> and then force league war asap
13:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> can you even force a league war as emperor?
13:26:40 <argoneus> I don't see why you couldn't
13:26:44 <argoneus> you're the leader of the catholic side
13:26:54 <argoneus> just declare war on someone from the other side
13:27:30 <argoneus> it has to be the protestants making the first move
13:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i misread it, but i think it said the protestant leader must declare war on the emperor with the league war cb
13:28:05 <argoneus> if you declare war on someone in the HRE who is in the emperor's league
13:28:14 <argoneus> then the emperor jumps in and it starts
13:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i only fought in one league war, and there i was the protestant leader
13:29:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i witnessed a league war in my cherokee game, but you can't take part in that if you're on another continent
13:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it was actually pretty fun. don't invest points in tech, invest all in development. and exploit the other tribes to settle for you
13:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> by the time you westernize, you have the largest development in the world
13:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause> then you need to catch up in tech (i was in that phase when i last played)
13:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i vassalized norway, which had lost all of its scandinavian provinces
13:31:58 <argoneus> hm, that sounds like a good idea
13:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that hopefully gives me a nice foot in the door for europe
13:32:00 <argoneus> the development thing
13:32:14 <argoneus> can you still make ships?
13:32:23 <argoneus> I only played aztecs once, and it ended up with me spamming heavy ships
13:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> not before westernizing
13:32:26 <argoneus> and killing all the colonists
13:32:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that must have been a long time ago
13:33:08 <Eddi|zuHause> when i started playing (1.11), ships for natives were already disabled
13:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i started later than that
13:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried aztec, but it is now really crazy with the religion stuff they added
13:34:28 <argoneus> this is the better screenshot
13:34:55 <argoneus> 18 heavy ships in 1522
13:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> as natives the most scary phase is during westernization. all your old forts will get destroyed, so rebels occupy instantly. and the europeans may want war
13:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> britain was hostile right away, but i gave them the two provinces they wanted, and turned their religion, then they became friendly
13:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and then my chief died and i got a tudor on the throne, not sure whether that's a good or a bad thing :p
13:39:44 <__ln__> 14:36 < Eddi|zuHause> as natives the most scary phase is during westernization. all your old forts will get destroyed, so rebels occupy instantly. <--- true story from 1990?
13:46:17 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i think the height of that "westernization" was more around 1992-1995, when it became clear that the economy was dropping to 0, before it gets better
13:47:18 <Eddi|zuHause> this process is still not over, btw
13:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but the main problem about native westernization is that you lose all the perks of being a native at the start of it, and only gain the perks of being western at the end of it
13:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and westernization takes really long, because you spent so much on development
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14:04:14 <koesie10> Hi, I'm trying to get OpenTTD (tag 1.5.3) to compile in Visual Studio 2015. However, I get a lot of errors, mostly to do with table/strings.h. I also get an error with strgen, which I assume explains why table/strings.h doesn't exist: http://hastebin.com/gemoquneyi
14:05:08 <drac_boy> hmm wish I could maybe help but I don't have windows sorry :->
14:05:29 <frosch123> koesie10: make sure to open the "solution", not the "project"
14:05:57 <frosch123> there are like 4 or so projects within the solution, which are all built when building the solution
14:06:21 <koesie10> frosch123: I've opened openttd_vs100.sln and I use 'Build solution'
14:06:47 <koesie10> And if I hadn't, there wouldn't be any errors for strgen_base.cpp
14:09:58 <frosch123> no idea then, maybe try to compile a nightly instead of 1.5.3. they have a openttd_vs150.sln
14:10:07 <frosch123> maybe that one works better in msvc2015
14:10:37 <koesie10> I can compile trunk with MSVC2015, however I want to modify 1.5.3
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14:13:55 <andythenorth> radical depature from classic TTD
14:15:21 <Wolf01> andy, yesterday evening i was show some photos of the new project of our group leader (lego technic), he is making a huge "something", maybe an excavator, at the moment the base consists of 4 bases of the new blue crane, it can also steer :o
14:15:34 <planetmaker> koesie10, if you want to modify OpenTTD, better get OpenTTD trunk instead of a(ny) release version
14:15:46 <planetmaker> modified versions are not compatible with release versions anyway
14:16:18 <koesie10> planetmaker: How are they not compatible?
14:16:29 <planetmaker> thus you can get the development version with the newest features and bug fixes anyhow
14:16:50 <planetmaker> koesie10, OpenTTD multiplayer only works if all players have the exact same version. A patched version is different, thus incompatible
14:17:15 <andythenorth> Wolf01: is it some big bucket wheel excavator or such?
14:17:31 <koesie10> planetmaker: I have got the version to be the same between 1.5.3 and trunk, but the savegame was not compatible and I think that has to do with the fact that they are not the same versions
14:18:00 <drac_boy> andy...or maybe it has interchangeable tools and hence can be an oversized jackhammer another time? :)
14:18:14 <planetmaker> for instance. But even when they should be savegame compatible, they're not multiplayer compatible if they're different versions
14:18:44 <Wolf01> i think so, but it just may be a single bucket one
14:19:06 <koesie10> planetmaker: But if I for example only modify the layout of the toolbar, they would be compatible if it was based on 1.5.3 right?
14:19:07 <planetmaker> and if you hack them to pretend to be compatible it will often fail regardless as OpenTTD multiplayer only works if all clients do exactly the same so that the game state doesn't evolve differently on different machines
14:19:41 <planetmaker> if it is *only* a GUI change, that often can work - if you know how to bypass version check
14:19:48 <Wolf01> i don't know if it will use gantry cranes or just a mechanical arm
14:20:09 <planetmaker> anyway... cookie baking time :D
14:20:14 <koesie10> planetmaker: I have worked out how to make the versions exactly the same, but only in trunk
14:20:36 <andythenorth> also a bit of busy bee playing :P
14:24:51 <Alberth> koesie10: uint means unsigned int, which is probably bigger than byte
14:25:43 <andythenorth> bloody ship sets
14:25:51 * andythenorth is _still_ disatisfied with Squid
14:25:54 <koesie10> Alberth: this is a clone from trunk, so it is already in the nightlies
14:27:16 <Alberth> hmm, strgen, probably newgrf specs limiting string length then
14:28:01 <Alberth> drac_boy: it's obligatory here to know all grfs made by andy :)
14:28:30 <drac_boy> andy made more than station platforms and firs? :->
14:28:48 <Alberth> but it's a ship set, squid aka fish2
14:29:04 <andythenorth> HEQS, Squid, FISH, Road Hog, FIRS, CHIPS, Iron Horse, also Termite
14:29:35 <Alberth> really the only newgrfs you'll ever need :)
14:29:48 <Alberth> hmm, perhaps add nuts too
14:30:22 <drac_boy> I thought fish was danmack?
14:30:51 <Alberth> danmack makes beautiful .png
14:31:02 <Alberth> andy makes beautifil .grf from them
14:32:28 <drac_boy> alberth no I really meant that .. my fish grf only says its danmack .. noone else
14:32:34 <drac_boy> or there must be two different fish grfs
14:34:43 <drac_boy> at least I think that cargo one from mb was under a different name thankfully .. don't have it anymore tho (and the website isn't there) so can't find what that name was
14:35:07 <Alberth> that's the fish grf I have
14:35:16 <drac_boy> hm I guess theres two then
14:36:11 <Alberth> lots of fishes in the ocean! :)
14:36:45 <drac_boy> say that reminds me ... I wonder where mb went to
14:37:02 <drac_boy> don't recall (unless I missed some) any posts from him for a while
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14:39:59 <drac_boy> geeze..does anyone remember the actual username for mb? he had all these nice germany-biased grfs he started a very long time ago
14:55:52 <andythenorth> there’s a fishing boat
14:56:05 <andythenorth> that’s not the same as FISH
14:57:27 <drac_boy> ohhhh blunck .. I always had thought it was something else (and wondered why I couldn't find it now)
14:58:06 <drac_boy> hmm october 2014 .. guess he hasn't really posted anymore
14:59:23 <Alberth> he moved to simuscape, afaik
14:59:36 <Alberth> also he was always active at the german forum
15:01:11 <drac_boy> german forum? oh why do I have some vague recall of that ... let me guess tiled green background with darker shade of green for the forum layout itself?
15:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know about simuscape, but he posted recently in the german forum, about how things probably speed up again in the winter
15:01:37 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: isn't that every tt-related website ever?
15:01:41 * drac_boy goes to see if I can find it
15:04:05 <drac_boy> heh guess some things don't change and I like that :) tt-ms.de
15:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess there's still enough time before the release date of 15-15-15
15:09:57 <drac_boy> umm theres only 12 months or was I not supposed to say that? :)
15:10:49 <andythenorth> the airbags just aren’t feasible
15:11:17 <drac_boy> hmm dbsetxl 0.9 ... nice to see he's still slowly working on that
15:11:47 * drac_boy still has dbset_s and dbsetxl0.8
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15:24:50 <andythenorth> he has lots of funny automatons on his channel
15:27:30 <Wolf01> i watched the "simple machine series" from him
15:28:27 <andythenorth> there are 3 of those parts
15:29:18 <andythenorth> I really need a 3-stud part that can be anchored at both ends, and will deform 0.5 studs in the middle
15:29:36 <andythenorth> or 3.5, and it compresses to 3 stud under load, and another 0.5 stud under shock-load :P
15:30:16 <Wolf01> but it might become too big
15:30:58 * andythenorth tries a different approach
15:31:37 <Wolf01> too bad the lego-me is asleep since about a month, i can't even think about how difficult is upscaling a moc i made :(
15:33:12 <Wolf01> mmh, your problem might be difficult to solve
15:37:30 <Wolf01> put them horizontally and stretch them instead of compress them, it is not like the real one but it should do its job
15:39:13 <andythenorth> got a solution with that
15:49:42 * drac_boy still likes one-rail lego trains? :)
16:00:08 <Wolf01> you are too demanding, just enjoy you found a solution
16:01:22 <drac_boy> wolf01 is that the same thing we tell miniature rivet counters? :P (after all why should anyone care exactly how many rivets there are on the smokebox door in HO scale?)
16:02:34 <Wolf01> yes, it's not a critical failure if it's not perfect
16:03:51 <drac_boy> trying to put four drivers on a steam locomotive and still call it a Mogul would be a certain critical failure tho?
16:03:59 <drac_boy> sorry, maybe we're getting a bit carried away here :->
16:05:40 <Wolf01> even if you put another axle to a steam locomotive i hardly notice, maybe if you forget to change the plate i'll find it
16:06:32 <drac_boy> wolf01 heh well tbh a Mogul is technically basically a 2-6-0 .. if you change any of that its not in that class anymore
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16:07:58 <Wolf01> yes i know, but i don't know the names, i just read them on the documentation
16:08:26 <Wolf01> if the documentation doesn't match with what i'm seeing i'll start to have doubts
16:09:29 <Wolf01> but if you show me a suspension system like andy's one, which works, and i don't know how the real one is, i don't really give a fuck, it works
16:10:29 <andythenorth> I found a more compact solution, just hanging the chassis from the rubber parts
16:10:42 <andythenorth> but it means limited ground clearance...
16:10:45 <Wolf01> i give a fuck about factiorio different length of the rolling stock in vertical and horizontal directions
16:11:08 <andythenorth> so now on bumps, the chassis hits the terrain, so the bounce of the suspension is useless :D
16:11:21 <drac_boy> either way tbh for legos I've never bothered doign anything else than just put the axle right straight through the chassis itself ... after all thats what the instructions for eg 8868 does
16:11:24 <andythenorth> also the axles hit the frame at maximum suspension travel
16:11:36 * andythenorth will do without springs
16:15:05 <Wolf01> wait, what? i can't even think about that thing they did to fit the dishes support perfectly centered
16:15:20 <andythenorth> they really did that
16:15:25 <andythenorth> I don’t miss brick-building
16:15:43 <andythenorth> it’s clever, it’s skilled, but it’s border-line hacks
16:19:12 <drac_boy> wolf01 you mean the fluid/air tank? well its at least better than that crappy mold one-piece junk in the later sets tbh
16:19:36 <drac_boy> not to mention you can change the length (which I did)
16:20:50 <drac_boy> hmm yeah to our own I guess but I've always liked the classic build-up pieces instead of these silly mold one-piece stuff in later sets
16:24:12 <drac_boy> oh and the one other thing is...why the hell are the grey bricks not matching? :->
16:25:21 <Wolf01> the old one changed to yellow-ish too easy
16:25:57 <drac_boy> wolf01 well funny mine had been in lot of sun and the only thing changed is that white is a bit dirty
16:26:11 <drac_boy> gray is still the same
16:26:49 <drac_boy> for some reason some of the blue have a bit of funny minor variation under bright light tho
16:28:51 <drac_boy> either way I'll leave you with andy's industrial truck .. have fun :) me need sort some food :-s
16:33:56 <andythenorth> yeah I hate those one piece parts
16:34:02 <andythenorth> why a wheel part?
16:35:13 * andythenorth wonders if tyres would make air bags?
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18:54:35 <frosch123> Alberth: any reason to not force "override newer texts" when uploading the base language?
18:56:35 <Alberth> for the base language it should be fine, I think
18:56:51 <Alberth> ie the only way to update the base language is to upload
18:57:14 <Alberth> so you cannot overwrite changes from other sources, such as translators adding new texts
18:58:27 <frosch123> hmm, somehow eints disallows reverting to an older translation
18:58:33 <frosch123> even when using the webinterface
18:58:51 <frosch123> i press "save changes & get next string" and it just ignores it :p
18:59:39 <Alberth> hmm, for a translation, that should not happen
18:59:58 <Alberth> it does look for existing strings, maybe that breaks in some way
19:01:30 <Alberth> the old strings give you history (until they are removed), and I also thought to revert to old translations when the base language reverts
19:01:50 <Alberth> that could be a wrong thought
19:01:58 <V453000> frosch123: I fixed the issue by throwing the graphics to a dustbin and making a better solution :P
19:27:56 <frosch123> Alberth: there seems to be some issue when reverting translations when also the baselanguage reverted
19:28:38 <frosch123> case_chgs = data.get_all_changes(lng.changes.get(sname), lng.case, bchg) <- string_edit.py seems to only query the changes for the current base language
19:29:46 <frosch123> if you reenter the latest translation for that base language, the submission is discarded
19:30:06 <frosch123> even if the latest translation is against another base language, and thus differs
19:42:02 <frosch123> i have no idea why it would only compare it to the translations of the same base
19:42:12 <Alberth> looks like a bug then
19:42:37 <frosch123> line 537 even compares the bases again
19:42:53 <frosch123> so, i would just replace the "bchg" in the get_all_changes with "None"
19:43:21 <Alberth> I have the code not in my head :)
19:43:53 <Alberth> I can have a look in a few days, but feel free to make a fix
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