IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-11-23
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00:11:04 <Eearslya> Is Bananas something that was written exclusively for OTTD?
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00:59:18 * drac_boy wonders if flygon want to blather about slow little aussie locomotives
01:05:49 <drac_boy> I was partially just joking .. still think of that gauge-related misshap you mentioned some time ago too
01:08:58 <Flygon> Happens all the time here xP
01:10:20 <drac_boy> heh sometimes crews weren't always happy with it (different visibility or the problem with making the traction motor not go too fast between notch 0 and 1) but many of the times it happened because there was only one locomotive normally assigned and one day its out of order at the shed so they just have to grab something random nearby
01:10:52 <drac_boy> that example I recalled of above was actually normally assigned to an old SW1200 so heh no comment
01:12:31 <Flygon> When the XPT was being built and tested here
01:12:38 <Flygon> It originally had around 16ish notches
01:13:15 <Flygon> NSWGR's engineers intentionally lowered that to 6 or so, because they were genuinely afraid that the XPT locos would be used for freight purposes otherwise
01:13:18 <drac_boy> let me guess..it soon didn't have 16?
01:13:35 <Flygon> Dunno about the UK, but it would've been ridiculous to see what's essentially a Class 43 running around towing Iron Ore
01:13:35 <drac_boy> 6? umm thats asking for wheelslip control problem with less fine controls 0_o
01:13:51 <Flygon> They wanted less notches to make freight less attractive
01:15:02 <drac_boy> the funny thing is the small hardcover Deltic book I got (yep..that uk tri-opposited pistons thing) was that they had to add a few more intermediate contacts to the throttle as many less experienced drivers were having problem with frequent wheelslips in wet tunnels and more
01:18:06 <drac_boy> even then the Deltic generally only got express assignments .. freight was almost nonexisting (aside to in-kind assistances)
01:18:20 <drac_boy> afaik .. I could be wrong if someone knew some photos that said otherwise
01:20:27 <Flygon> I'm running entirely off memory here myself
01:20:41 <drac_boy> flygon btw who the hell want to put a class 43 on freight especially with no flagman/shunter platform and very questionable rear visibility? :P
01:21:08 <Flygon> drac_boy: Well, based on previous example set by VR and NSWGR (and no doubt the other state railways)
01:21:27 <Flygon> It was very common for spare pax. locos to be used for freight
01:21:33 <Flygon> Either in assisting or sole hauling
01:22:05 <Flygon> Cue R-Class Steam Locos used by VR to haul heavy freight... despite being designed purely as an express passenger loco
01:22:24 <Flygon> Shame the X2000 programe didn't take off
01:22:29 <drac_boy> not sure why but that looks like a top-n-tail (or push-pull whatever term it is) set
01:22:30 <Flygon> They were trialling the set to see how it'd go
01:22:33 <drac_boy> theres something else on the rear
01:22:40 <Flygon> It's a tilt train attached to an XPT
01:22:51 <Flygon> There's two XPT locos hauling an EMU
01:23:11 <drac_boy> ahhh .. weird (unless they needed it to run bidirectional)
01:23:57 <drac_boy> even when the amtrak ICE was tested here .. the diesels were only at one end but mm different geography tho I guess
01:24:00 <Flygon> A single XPT wouldn't have enough power to hit 160
01:24:50 <drac_boy> hmm 160kph .. what engine did the xpt come built with or was it same as the 43's?
01:25:16 <Flygon> Up til the 90s, they shared the same engines
01:25:23 <Flygon> I think they got renewed with the same engine too
01:25:33 <Flygon> I am not hugely savvy on NSW
01:25:43 <Flygon> And Pikka must be at work
01:25:50 <Flygon> Or whoever the other New South Welsh here were
01:26:50 <drac_boy> flygon ah..probably put in something different because last I recall the 43 aka hst had like 2*2000hp but was made for 200kph maximum service speed with quite a number of coaches
01:27:14 <drac_boy> acceleration might be the thing here tho me think
01:27:21 <Flygon> The ratings were intentionally written down lower for the XPT
01:27:26 <Flygon> Because... it's complicated
01:27:35 <drac_boy> heh I don't really want to ask anyway :)
01:27:37 <Flygon> Basically, they wanted the engines to be thrashed around less for maintainence purposs
01:27:48 <Flygon> And they were regeared for faster acceleration
01:27:57 <Flygon> Hence why the speed record with an XPT set is 193km/h
01:28:34 <drac_boy> flygon which xpt livery do you think you like better?
01:28:36 <Flygon> This ties up pretty neatly with how the Class 43 suppose to do 200 but hit 241 in testing
01:30:19 <drac_boy> dark blue one? hmm interesting
01:30:37 <Flygon> 2nd preference is the Indian Red
01:30:59 <drac_boy> I thought the dark reddish one kind matches a lot of the australia landscape better :)
01:32:47 <drac_boy> btw wiki seem to say the original xpt had 2000bhp instead of 2250bhp rating .. thats not much of a drop
01:33:18 <drac_boy> and not surprisingly budd-built instead of uk-built coaches which seem to make sense considering the interior layout differences
01:35:17 <Flygon> Mate, the XPT was dead a decade ago
01:35:25 <Flygon> The issue is we don't know what'll replace it
01:35:46 <drac_boy> well the hst is still being difficult to kill off (they even got completely re-engined if the new livery wasn't already a sign) .. so you never really know yet
01:35:49 <Flygon> So the railfanning community is suspecting the word "Bus" will be somewhere in the NSW Government's head
01:36:02 <Flygon> I think you're too enthusiastic
01:36:12 <Flygon> The current NSW Government is extremely anti-rail
01:36:19 <Flygon> Have you read up on the Newcastle Line Saga?
01:36:26 <Flygon> You know a situation's gotten fucking ridiculous
01:36:39 <drac_boy> nothing wrong with banting a bit is there? beside theres always that quote "if its not broken then don't fix it!"
01:36:41 <Flygon> When the Indigenous Aboriginal population is launching a native land claim
01:36:47 <Flygon> For the sake of keeping a fucking railway line
01:37:01 <Flygon> NOBODY wants it closed
01:37:15 <Flygon> But there's a LOT of money in brown paper bags being thrown at the Government by land developers _>
01:37:29 <drac_boy> flygon if you want to complain a lot more then do that in front of the man who caused the infamous Breech Axe in uk :)
01:37:44 <Flygon> I know about the breeching axe, drac
01:37:51 <Flygon> Both NSW and VIC went through that process 30 years ago
01:37:55 <Flygon> It left us traumatized.
01:38:29 <Flygon> It's why people get so utterly furious the moment the prospect of a trainline closing is brought up
01:38:49 <drac_boy> btw you're not the only one...politics in usa are apparently getting roadbollocked between taking more money from AT&T/etc and ever more people each rolling month complaining about lack of reasonable phone services :-s
01:39:14 <drac_boy> but I'm guessing that as long as the politics are still quietly taking money from the big companies this probably isn't going to end easily
01:39:19 <Flygon> I gave up on the USA decades ago xP
01:39:31 <Flygon> But this is Australia. We're suppose to HAVE standards. But they're being whittled away...
01:40:27 * drac_boy gives flygon an iron-hard shovel to whack some brass heads with together
01:40:51 <drac_boy> knock sense in them I say (only if!) heh
01:43:34 <drac_boy> oh btw that reminds me of a steam photo .. one sec...
01:48:29 <drac_boy> thats the only one pre-electrificated tait photo I've ever seen atm too
01:58:46 <drac_boy> oh and flygon when you're back I recalled .. you mentioned about slide vs slam doors on the tait .. well .. heres a funny one . train in europe had its door ripped off at high speed due to the shockwave of two trains passing together in tunnel :->
01:58:59 <drac_boy> I'll have to find which of the recent magazine that crazy blurb was in
01:59:07 <drac_boy> talk about bad doorway design tho
01:59:57 <Wolf01> 6 more minutes and i'll go to sleep
02:00:05 <drac_boy> heh ok have a good sleep then wolf01
02:12:49 <drac_boy> flygon yeah..someone seem to have forgotten to test the doors for when two 200+kph trains pass by close together :)
02:12:54 <drac_boy> or thats what I think
02:13:33 <Flygon> Even the VLos have doors designed against this
02:16:11 <drac_boy> flygon and btw when they talked about the eurostar trains having poor winter shock performance a reader pointed out that when db wanted to test their new electric locomotive some years ago they sent it to some tunnel in swizterland where it could be under -20 outside but the tunnel was well over 5 inside, a good shock to test a locomotive with!
02:16:31 <drac_boy> (this was when the infamous chunnel tunnel stuckup happened in december)
02:16:56 <drac_boy> of course the db locomotive never had any problem in its service :)
02:17:45 <drac_boy> one sad thing about the eurostar story was the coverup tho...it turned out that many of the sets did not even have their snow covers placed on (so yep...lot of snow in traction motor vents and so on) and this was in late december 0_o
02:19:14 <drac_boy> flygon mind you some of the usa trains had to deal with it to a small degree too .. both Southern Pacific and Santa Fe specifically .. nothing like a grassy sunny weather when train enters tunnel .. then when it comes out theres snow everywhere!
02:19:35 <drac_boy> bit of extreme climate difference I know..but it was 'normal' for them tho
02:19:47 <Flygon> Here, the worst you get is flooding xP
02:20:20 <Flygon> (cue Trams and Trains (EMUs) operating inside floodwaters... it was deemed less risky to blow up the train/tram getting it the hell out of there, rather than leaving it parked in floodwaters)
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02:21:16 <drac_boy> flygon and you wonder why some steam locomotives were kept in working order for an unusually long time .. the topo map usually gives you a clue aka having to semi-ford trains through very wide shallow-flood area
02:21:30 <drac_boy> even the GP9 at the time often could fail
02:22:24 <drac_boy> mind you diesel-hydraulics (mainly an europe thing ofc) could just waddle through without much fuss as there was almost no electricals to be found (unless trackside signal contacts counted) below the chassis line
02:25:03 <Flygon> The last time they gave a crap was WWII xP
02:25:17 <drac_boy> not deep enough but still goes to show why having no traction motor means noone cares :)
02:25:39 <Flygon> Victoria should try exporting them VLos :P
02:26:36 <Flygon> Assuming they can afford 2,000 litres of fuel for a 50km journey
02:26:56 <drac_boy> almost deep enough to lap the cab floor but...umm who cared right?
02:27:11 <Flygon> What freaks me most about these sort of floods isn't so much the vehicle being affected
02:28:01 <drac_boy> heh .. yeah out in the open I can agree about ballast issues :-s
02:28:13 <drac_boy> in the city rails they were usually poured into the cement stuff tho
02:28:26 <Flygon> Noooooooooooooooooooooooot in Melbourne.
02:29:19 <drac_boy> anyhow flygon have fun with the rest of your day till some next time ok? I'm going off for a bit re some things to sort out for tomorrow
02:29:25 <Flygon> Because slab track would solve a lot of our problems
02:29:32 <drac_boy> maybe we'll find a new topic (or just continue about crappy rail waters) then ;)
02:29:35 <Flygon> Perhaps we should convert to slab track the same time we SGize the network >_>
02:30:17 * drac_boy mutters Sh*tty Gauge then runs off laughing about that :p
02:31:40 <Flygon> It'd all be brunel gauge >_>
02:44:00 <sim-al2> *construction costs intensify*
02:46:02 <Flygon> sim: Well, it's 170 years late, either way xP
02:46:35 <sim-al2> Clearly the answer is variable gauge axles (oh god the maintenace costs)
02:47:07 <Flygon> To me, the real progression path is clear
02:47:26 <Flygon> SG as much standard rail in the country as possible (Queensland's pmuch fakked tho)
02:47:41 <Flygon> And build new intercity networks using SCMaglev
02:48:20 <Flygon> Like, a standard HST line would do Melbourne-Seymour-Shepperton-Albury/Wodonga-Wagga-Canberra-Sydney (I'm missing a lot of cities NSW-half sorry)
02:48:32 <Flygon> Whereas Maglev would basically be an express journey...
02:48:42 <Flygon> Melbourne-Albury/Wodonga-Wagga-Canberra-Sydney
02:48:46 <sim-al2> I suppose maglev will work for high density corridors, ala Shinkansen, but elimination all backwards compatibility really hurts any chance of regional devolpments
02:49:05 <Flygon> The MINIMUM distance between stops is so large
02:49:20 <Flygon> Due to various factors over how SCMaglev inherently works
02:49:32 <Flygon> That density ALONG the corridore doesn't matter
02:49:46 <Flygon> Only the amount of patronage at the stops
02:50:03 <Flygon> The cities I've highlighted are very popular air route destinations along the same corridore
02:50:32 <Flygon> Given, presuming SCMaglev can safely hit 800-900km/h without a fuss, the ability to probably out-speed actual aircraft, even with stops, for a Melb-Syd trip
02:50:42 <Flygon> Capture a lot of patronage
02:51:15 <sim-al2> To reach those speeds pratically guarentees end-to-end only
02:51:37 <Flygon> There's more than 100km between stops
02:51:42 <Flygon> The speeds will be hit easily
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12:28:24 <Flygon> Let electric trains pass through non-electric gaps like this so I can build tracks through airport runway :D
12:29:12 <Wolf01> multiple engines does not work?
12:30:14 <Flygon> Wolf01: Top speed limitations
12:30:22 <Flygon> I can't attach a Diesel to the TGV!
12:30:31 <Flygon> I wanna cruise through dat airport runway at 320 :D
12:31:35 <Wolf01> change the tgv to fake an electric engine with one head :D
12:32:54 <Wolf01> fully electric dual headed train can't go in normal rails?
12:32:54 <Flygon> This's the most ridiculously simple solution I've seen to such a big problem
12:51:31 <Wolf01> nothing that couldn't be addressed with a small dose of newgrfs
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13:49:26 <Flygon> Wolf01: I actually meant the video
13:49:34 <Flygon> It's of almost no use in OpenTTD
13:57:41 <Wolf01> symple yes, but it still requires 2 electric engines in "R" world
13:58:25 <Wolf01> i don't know if it would cost less to run 2 engines for every train just to pass the gap or simply find another solution
13:58:36 <Wolf01> maybe that was the quick one
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14:49:48 <Wolf01> andythenorth, a good gallery for wordpress (best if free) which allows albums and wpml?
14:50:31 <andythenorth> I am wrong person to ask about wordpress
14:50:42 <Wolf01> after installing nggallery i suddenly recognised why it was shitty :|
14:50:48 <andythenorth> wordpress ate my christmas 2 years ago
14:51:46 <Wolf01> i don't work with wordpress too, but a friend asked for a gallery in his site :|
14:55:01 <Wolf01> the bad thing is that if you search for "wordpress gallery *something*" on google, it shows ONLY nextgen gallery
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19:45:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27455 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-23 19:45:08 +0100 )
19:45:18 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
19:45:19 <DorpsGek> spanish - 4 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
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20:10:32 <andythenorth> it’s interesting watching Baldy’s Boss
20:10:47 <andythenorth> he’s determined to find a non-existent rational under-pinning for the game
20:11:02 <slaca> hi guys, I have a problem with changing the board style in ttforums. I go to board preferences, than go my board style choose subsilver, than submit. It changes the theme, but next time I go to the forum, its style is ttstyle again. What can be the problem?
20:11:12 <andythenorth> are you logged in?
20:11:24 <andythenorth> and is your browser clearing cookies aggressively?
20:12:08 <andythenorth> I use subsilver with no problems, but forums (or my browser) sometimes disagree about cookies for weeks at a time, and log me out, which reverts the theme
20:12:25 <andythenorth> I think that’s caused by cookies anyway
20:16:46 <slaca> it worked ok until today
20:17:09 <slaca> maybe something happened when i logged in on mobile
20:17:47 <andythenorth> oskari89: pyrites is a winning suggestion btw
20:18:00 <andythenorth> it’s a mine, and can make chemicals directly
20:18:13 <andythenorth> or go via a chemical plant
20:18:46 <andythenorth> it could optionally also produce other metals, including gold and copper, or zinc, lead, silver, or iron
20:18:51 <andythenorth> but that’s confusing :)
20:19:32 <Alberth> clearly the game must have a plan, or you'd be lost, wouldn't you?
20:20:57 <andythenorth> I am certain that real life is just the same
20:21:03 <andythenorth> if only I could figure out the plan
20:21:26 <andythenorth> ‘somebody must have designed the game and there must be a correct set of choices'
20:24:00 <Alberth> ha, nice frosch123 :)
20:40:55 <frosch123> Alberth: we have various coop and ottd specific changes to eints, mostly the layout
20:41:03 <frosch123> but also various additional scripts
20:41:28 <frosch123> i am wondering about creating some forks of eints as subprojects on #devzone
20:42:07 <frosch123> so that both coop and ottd can use a plani checkout, without local patch queues or similar
20:42:51 <Alberth> hmm, hg isn't really designed for this, is it
20:43:04 <Alberth> or any other vcs, for that matter
20:43:30 <frosch123> well, three branches, which stay separate forever :)
20:43:52 <frosch123> main-eints gets merged into ottd-eints and coop-eints
20:43:58 <Alberth> in hg, that would be 3 repos
20:44:00 <frosch123> but there are never merges back
20:44:01 <planetmaker> can't it be done by a config file which is site-specific?
20:44:08 <frosch123> Alberth: yes, 3 repos
20:44:11 <planetmaker> can be 3 branches in hg, too
20:44:33 <frosch123> i also want to keep the main eints repo clean from coop and ottd specific stuff
20:44:39 <planetmaker> but 3 repos is easier
20:45:58 <Alberth> another option would be a build step in some form, but that may be complicated
20:45:59 <frosch123> currently a patch queue
20:46:05 <planetmaker> you created that now?
20:46:06 <frosch123> but i can also stay a queue
20:46:18 <frosch123> planetmaker: no, it was there frome the beginning :)
20:46:22 <Alberth> so yeah, make a few forks sounds like the best option
20:46:49 <frosch123> but currently it is private
20:47:02 <planetmaker> nowadays I'd probably make a new clone, make the repository non-publishing and keep the specific changes as draft changesets on top
20:47:08 <planetmaker> rebasing them when necessary
20:47:42 <planetmaker> (has nothing to do with private or not, though :D )
20:48:09 <frosch123> not-pbulishing sounds terrible from a data point of view
20:48:31 <frosch123> you always have checkouts on different machines, so you need to sync them
20:48:46 <planetmaker> it is not exactly what one may think. It simply means that a changeset pushed there does not get phase 'public' but remains mutable in phase 'draft'
20:48:55 <planetmaker> the syncing happens just the same
20:49:29 <planetmaker> it's basically what you can do with git push --force
20:49:43 <planetmaker> and then another person doing git fetch
20:50:41 <frosch123> since when do you do git comparisons? :p
20:50:56 <planetmaker> since today or so... I'm not sure whether it's correct :P
20:51:27 <frosch123> ah, well, i guess i'll do it for ottd then
20:51:30 <planetmaker> but there's otherwise nothing else to compare to. The difference is that hg keeps obsolescence markers when using a non-publishing repo. Thus the old versions are still there. Just hidden
20:51:37 <frosch123> can't be bothered to sort out the coop queue
20:51:49 <frosch123> it can just stay like that, noone has to pull it from the outside
20:51:55 <planetmaker> could use kallithea to conveniently fork the repo
20:52:36 <frosch123> i always used the web-interface for forking
20:52:53 <planetmaker> and it keeps the related information up2date
20:53:09 <frosch123> hmm, i recall there was an auto-pull option
20:53:17 <frosch123> would that maintain a second head?
20:53:34 <planetmaker> you lost me... what do you talk about?
20:53:37 <frosch123> (auto-pull as in cyclic pulls in the future)
20:54:11 <frosch123> i thought kallithea had an option to keep the repository updating, i.e. as mirror from some other repo
20:54:38 <planetmaker> hm, I don't recall. But that doesn't mean anything. I simply never looked for that either
20:56:56 <planetmaker> options->remote ?
20:57:17 <planetmaker> which repo is a forked repo?
20:57:19 <frosch123> yes, together with settings->remote
20:58:11 <frosch123> hmm, remote repository looks more like a push
20:58:27 <frosch123> which would only work for one repository
20:58:32 <frosch123> so, likely something different
20:58:48 <planetmaker> description has PULL in it though
20:58:55 <planetmaker> Optional: URL of a remote repository. If set, the repository can be pulled from this URL.
20:59:01 <andythenorth> what significant differences do the forks support?
20:59:26 <frosch123> planetmaker: yes, but i have no idea what the "can" means
20:59:34 <planetmaker> pull requests in principle, I think
20:59:57 <frosch123> hmm, my eints is stuck in an infinite loop
21:00:01 <frosch123> when upoading the base language
21:00:04 <frosch123> did i break something?
21:01:16 <planetmaker> actually pull requests not only in principle. But also actually
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21:02:15 <qwebirc34315> Hello everybody. Just installed OpenTTD 1.5.2 but when I buy a train in 2040 (tried to test maglev trains) I click on a train depot but there is no trains available. What am I missing?
21:02:59 <Alberth> you built a maglev depot?
21:03:04 <planetmaker> missed that maglev trains can only be bought in maglev depots?
21:03:14 <qwebirc34315> yes, dammit. Thank you
21:03:43 <qwebirc34315> gonna read documentation, bye!
21:04:29 <frosch123> pmd.create_statistics(None) took 5 minutes or more ...
21:05:26 <planetmaker> that's with openttd langs?
21:05:35 <andythenorth> IRL, mining metallic ores is not neat and tidy like in TTD
21:05:41 <frosch123> the swap is runing :p
21:05:46 <andythenorth> copper, zinc, pyrite from one mine ^^ :P
21:05:54 <andythenorth> in other cases, iron ore and phosphates from the same mine
21:06:02 <frosch123> ok, increasing memory for the vm
21:07:11 <frosch123> apparently 800mib is not enough for ottd-eints
21:10:35 <frosch123> 2698 openttd 20 0 1016m 972m 3888 S 0.0 63.0 0:22.37 python3 <- 972 RES just after start, just due to reading the project from disk
21:13:22 <frosch123> it takes only half of that on the real openttd.org :p
21:13:28 <frosch123> what is wrong with python on my vm? :p
21:13:52 <andythenorth> which python is it?
21:14:37 <frosch123> at least the 3.4.2 one is the better one
21:14:44 <frosch123> i could update my vm to jessie
21:15:04 <frosch123> is there hope that that is reason?
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22:25:11 <andythenorth> cargo label for Pyrite Ore? o_O
22:25:26 <andythenorth> most ore cargos are _ORE :P
22:32:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth, what's pyrite used for?
22:32:54 <frosch123> sounds like python is made of it
22:33:02 <planetmaker> and why do I get mine craft and WOW as first hits when I search for 'pyrite ore'?
22:33:25 <planetmaker> ah.. iron sulfide
22:33:25 <frosch123> planetmaker: wiki says "katzengold"
22:33:37 <frosch123> i.e. the stuff old people put infront of their house
22:34:07 * andythenorth has been learning about mining :P
22:34:14 <andythenorth> there are many complex ores :P
22:34:55 * drac_boy actually had been using COIL and ROIL labels for a bit due to the industry chain differences on paper :-s
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22:35:02 <planetmaker> wiki article doesn't exactly suggest wide use economically
22:35:07 <drac_boy> (yep, crude oil straight from ground and then theres refined oil)
22:35:40 <andythenorth> pyrites are a major source of copper, zinc, iron, sulfur
22:36:03 <andythenorth> this I did not know yesterday :P
22:36:27 <planetmaker> 'was used to made sulfuric acide, occasionally also to get iron ore. For copper percentages > 0.5% also copper was gathered. gold gathering only was done when locally enriched'
22:37:12 <andythenorth> I had an adventure through all types of pyrites at lunch time
22:37:33 <andythenorth> there are arsenic pyrites through to zinc pyrites :P
22:38:11 <planetmaker> anyhow... how do you plan to use the pyrite?
22:38:20 <drac_boy> anyway have to go for some time as usual :-s
22:38:49 <andythenorth> pyrite -> chemicals, metal
22:38:52 <andythenorth> electro-smelting
22:39:56 <andythenorth> convenient for a basic economy :D
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22:41:41 <planetmaker> pyrite -> valuables :D
22:41:55 <planetmaker> the crystal form really looks nice :)
22:42:09 <planetmaker> maybe not valuables but jewlry
22:43:26 <frosch123> "GEMS" also works as cargolabel :p
22:43:45 <frosch123> but well, diamonds is essentially the same
22:56:14 <frosch123> python 3.4 makes the difference :)
22:57:02 <andythenorth> aiui, python 3 is still quite far down the performance curve generally, and older revisions can be quite resource hungry
22:57:13 <andythenorth> I have limited knowledge about it though
22:57:45 <frosch123> the speed bottleneck actually seems to be the upload script, not eints itself
22:57:51 <frosch123> the vm is 80% idle while uploading
22:59:01 <andythenorth> is ‘precious metals’ a silly cargo? :P
22:59:27 <frosch123> it's fine if you use the GOLD cargolabel :)
23:02:05 * andythenorth has been busy on wikipedia :P
23:02:09 <andythenorth> and has many cargo ideas
23:05:48 <andythenorth> ‘conveyor belt factory'
23:08:36 <frosch123> did you pick the factorio wiki?
23:13:51 <frosch123> there is a factorio mod with extended cargos
23:14:07 <frosch123> it has one industry that produces salt from water
23:14:17 <frosch123> and another one that produces saltwater from water and salt
23:14:36 <andythenorth> I did play factorio demo for ~1hr
23:14:37 <frosch123> that chain is the only source for saltwater
23:14:44 <andythenorth> but got bored of breeder things killing me
23:15:05 <andythenorth> circular chain fun :P
23:15:07 <frosch123> and you need saltwater electrolyze some things from it
23:15:26 <frosch123> it's really stupid :p
23:15:27 <andythenorth> fish -> seafood -> bait ->fish
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23:19:03 <planetmaker> w/c Eddi|zuHause ? or is that anything you want to tell us?
23:19:06 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: at least your links are on-topic :)
23:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause> unicorns are always on topic, i thought...
23:19:52 <planetmaker> can I request political asylum in austria?
23:19:57 <planetmaker> can I hath unicorn?
23:20:18 <planetmaker> I would even trade my playmobil horse for it
23:20:36 <frosch123> i have no playmobil horse
23:20:44 <frosch123> but i have a unicorn mug
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23:48:21 <frosch123> ha, I discovered V's masterplan
23:48:28 <frosch123> snails are immune to fire
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