IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-11-05
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06:21:45 <OsteHovel> I was first at work
06:22:20 <OsteHovel> That means i go home early too ;-)
06:22:43 <greeter> either you have a very early start at work or you're quite a number of hours ahead of me
06:23:12 <OsteHovel> I started at work 06 in the morning (its now 06:22)
06:23:24 <ST2> sidenote: if someone searching for reddit's channel, it's #/r/openttd
06:23:26 <greeter> ah, so you're 5 hours ahead of me then
06:25:58 <OsteHovel> Long time since i played openTTD
06:26:27 <OsteHovel> My cussin and I usualy play it togheter, more fun playing with others
06:26:30 <greeter> it's been a while for me. i've spent so much time trying to make this scenario that i haven't played it, plus irl stuff gets in the way
06:26:42 <OsteHovel> Ye its that damn IRL stuff....
06:27:12 <greeter> and next week is really busy for me so that should prove interesting
06:30:46 <greeter> i did get some positive feedback about the description of the scenario i'm working on though, so i really want to get it done and post it to the forums to see what others think
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07:11:37 <greeter> greetings andythenorth
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09:01:39 <greeter> welcome back andythenorth
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09:25:01 <greeter> greetings planetmaker
11:26:22 <greeter> wish i qualified for the job too lol
11:28:18 <Wolf01> i wish to have warcraft 1 and 2 too... i have them, the dos version, also diablo 1 would be cool
11:31:13 <Wolf01> i remember when i found TTD and warcraft 1 at a game store (before gamestop), the clerk: "you know these don't work on windows?" "what's the problem? i can use dosbox" :D
11:32:23 <greeter> i'd never even heard of ttd the first time i played openttd. i found it through a wikipedia article, skipped the history section, the game sounded fun so i got a copy
11:37:16 <Wolf01> i had a demo of TT somewhere, but i didn't play too much with it because i was really confused about signalling and how to set up trains and their schedule... then i found tt-forums via webring and started to learn how to play, i used ttdpatch for a long time and then ottd
11:37:32 * andythenorth wants to play WC 1 again
11:37:56 <andythenorth> is it actually good, or just hazy memories?
11:38:05 <andythenorth> ‘stop clicking on me'
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11:38:23 <Wolf01> you can't use the right mouse button, you must remember this
11:39:06 * andythenorth has a mac, it’s easy to remember :P
11:39:09 <Wolf01> [M]-click, [A]-click, [H]-click...
11:39:09 <greeter> i found PBS confusing at first, but then after i spent enough time reading the manuals and comparing it with block signaling, i remember thinking "i can't believe block signaling was all that was available"
11:39:57 <Wolf01> i only use PBS now, maybe because i put 4-6 signals in the entire line XD
11:40:13 <Wolf01> just at the stations junctions
11:48:00 <greeter> i've never used block signals since i knew from the get go that pbs was better, i just took forever in finding out why and how to use it lol
11:48:22 <greeter> ever since i figured it out, i've built horribly complex and ugly rail networks that manage to get the job done
12:08:17 <V453000> greeter: all of the signals are useful in many circumstances
12:08:51 <V453000> block signals can do things that PBS cant, and vice versa as well
12:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody really needs to do the things that block signals do.
12:14:35 <Wolf01> we need inserters stations
12:15:05 <Wolf01> pick up from the industry and put on the train
12:15:29 <Wolf01> oh wait.. it already does that, with less animation
12:15:51 <andythenorth> V453000: we should have a funeral
12:16:06 <V453000> it is excellent to see a developer disagree that the game has variety Eddi. I already accepted the retarded "popular opinion" that PBS is more convenient to use (because people do not want to know the game properly and do not want to build big networks, that is fine) ... but saying that block signals are not useful in any way is just plain bullshit
12:16:51 <V453000> starting from pathfinding on bigger networks, a lot better control over block signals, or ending with any kind of useful pre-signal things
12:17:03 <V453000> your ignorance shines like a beacon.
12:18:25 <andythenorth> he said ‘needs’ :P
12:18:49 <V453000> if your trains are failing to pick the right path to go at choice points, you need to build block signals.
12:19:07 <V453000> but sure you CAN build a point-to-point network, avoiding any junctions
12:19:36 <andythenorth> point-to-point is the way forward
12:19:40 <andythenorth> much better to play
12:20:33 <andythenorth> V453000: can you render the OpenTTD logo on a gravestone? o_O
12:21:03 <andythenorth> V453000: will you render the OpenTTD logo on a gravestone? o_O
12:21:34 <V453000> Dear Andy from up there, The answer you seek is no. Thank you for understanding, your beloved V
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12:21:56 <andythenorth> it would have looked good
12:22:51 <andythenorth> seems unreasonable :P
12:22:59 <V453000> it will bury itself, no need to bother
12:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: i'm not actually a developer.
12:23:22 <V453000> does it actually matter Eddi|zuHause ?
12:23:29 <V453000> people probably listen to your shit
12:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> also, yes. the sentence intentionally contained traces of bullshit :p
12:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's called "trolling" :)
12:24:03 * andythenorth jarlsberg on toast
12:24:21 <V453000> guess we need a new saying instead of beating a dead horse "trolling a dead horse"
12:25:19 <Wolf01> somebody said toasted bacon?
12:26:49 <Eddi|zuHause> tastes like chicken?
12:26:51 <andythenorth> trolling a dead biter
12:27:14 * andythenorth considers changing FIRS 2
12:27:28 <Wolf01> now i have to get the car and go to the pub to eat a burger with bacon
12:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> man, as soon as i said "chicken", the cat comes demanding food
12:27:38 <andythenorth> just a message at the beginning: “OpenTTD is now dead, go away"
12:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you can't change anything on the title screen
12:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause> only a base set can do that
12:29:21 <Wolf01> nobody stops you to change the game code and put a news ticker with silly sentences on the splash screen
12:29:24 <andythenorth> I can show an error / warning message at game start though
12:29:37 <andythenorth> I could include one cargo and two industries
12:29:40 <andythenorth> ‘dead openttd’ cargo
12:29:47 <andythenorth> ‘burial grounds’ destination
12:29:54 <andythenorth> NFI what the source industry is though
12:30:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: sounds like a new economy :p
12:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause> toyland replacement: Halloween
12:31:48 <andythenorth> what makes an OpenTTD cargo?
12:36:59 <Wolf01> i would remove all the climates except toyland
12:38:43 <argoneus> why not remove all climates
12:38:54 <argoneus> make it a space game instead
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12:39:24 <andythenorth> just remove the game
12:40:03 <Wolf01> argoneus, galaxy express 999?
12:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what was that guy called? SirXavius? with the OpenTTD+500 project?
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13:14:25 <MeSaber> hot discussions in here
13:14:31 <MeSaber> just as my internet broke
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13:44:03 <Wolf01> oh, IIRC today shit happened
13:52:54 <Wolf01> it's the 5th of november, somewhere they are igniting fireworks
13:53:42 <Mazur> Oh, no, failed revolution day.
13:54:52 <Wolf01> yes, also i think i'll have to watch V, but i didn't even watch BttF on 21 october
13:55:20 <Mazur> Dismember, dismember, the 5th of Movember, something about Guy ....
13:57:07 <MeSaber> i were thinking of doing it
13:57:19 <Mazur> 2 stations were broadcasting 1 & 2, and only one of them 3, as well.
13:57:58 <Wolf01> i was too lazy to plug in my external dvd drive
13:58:19 <MeSaber> ever heard of teh internetz?
13:59:07 <Wolf01> i could "backup" it, but if i have something on disk i try to save hdd space
13:59:19 <Wolf01> i only have 10TB in total :P
13:59:50 <MeSaber> yes i got that part.. but what
14:00:12 <Wolf01> 2TB just for steam games, other 2TB of backup
14:00:35 <Wolf01> some external hdds just for practical purposes
14:00:40 <MeSaber> 2 tb of steam games.. nice
14:00:47 <Mazur> 10 TB of pr0n, of course.
14:00:59 <Wolf01> and some movies/anime/series too
14:01:11 <Mazur> Well, 9, and 1 for "other".
14:01:13 <Wolf01> no, i don't need pr0n, there's interet for that
14:01:18 <MeSaber> i dont got much on my lappy
14:01:32 <__ln__> Wolf01: you need to have a backup of internet in case it goes down, obviously
14:01:41 <MeSaber> media folder is 470 gb
14:02:10 <Wolf01> __ln__ i would make a backup of myself in case of...
14:02:30 <Wolf01> but it seem i don't have enough space
14:02:37 <MeSaber> i dont do backups of one reason
14:02:53 <MeSaber> nothing nicer than a clean pc
14:03:03 <MeSaber> and no crap stuff everywhere :D
14:08:31 <Wolf01> i have a bit of documents and family photos
14:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i have several TB worth of unwatched and uncut tv recordings
14:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> which i should probably just delete and reover "backups" from the internet, like normal people :p
14:22:25 <Wolf01> back to work now... i have to make a MoveToContact() function
14:22:43 <Wolf01> but first it would be cool to know the direction of the contact point
14:24:17 <MeSaber> you see what i did there?
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15:38:09 <Flygon> I dunno how people can get over 1TB of porn
15:38:21 <Flygon> Then again, I suppose people download videos rather than stills
15:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ultra-HD combined with a hoarder instinct...
15:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not that unimaginable
15:40:49 <__ln__> Flygon: by downloading, i guess.
15:41:11 <Flygon> There's additional context that I'd like to provide but probably shouldn't :U
15:41:15 <Hiddenfunstuff> Quantity over quality
15:41:41 <Flygon> I expected the furries to get to it first
15:41:45 <Flygon> But it was actually the Japanese
15:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that's not the one
15:42:03 <Flygon> Rule 42 is that the meaning of life is 42
15:42:18 <Flygon> I should feel bad for laughing
15:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i always get that wrong
15:42:35 <Flygon> I am curious what Rule 32 IS
15:42:47 <Hiddenfunstuff> check internet.. theres lists
15:42:51 <Flygon> I'd ask the same guy that knows what Sage is
15:43:02 <Flygon> But he'd say that the list got muddled with the depths of time
15:43:02 <Hiddenfunstuff> most trustworthy might be tvtropes.. Though just dont click the links around the wiki
15:43:27 <Flygon> TVTropes Rule 34 article...
15:43:36 <Flygon> Reminds me of every time Cracked makes an article on Rule 34
15:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i'll look that up :p
15:43:50 <Flygon> "This guy didn't look very hard"
15:44:04 <Hiddenfunstuff> Tvtropes will ruin your life
15:44:26 <Flygon> TVTropes didn't ruin my life
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15:44:43 <Hiddenfunstuff> Obviously you have not been to tvtropes
15:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose "tvtropes will ruin your life" is a trope :p
15:45:27 <Hiddenfunstuff> yes it is a trope
15:45:29 <Flygon> I REMEMBER TROPERS TALES
15:45:55 <Hiddenfunstuff> most likely when you read that trope.. you are already beyond saving
15:46:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even know what "trope" even means
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15:46:36 <Flygon> I always assumed trope was a made up word
15:46:42 <Flygon> Also apperantly I pronounce it weird
15:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that's how i would pronounce it from only ever reading the word
15:47:48 <Flygon> Again, I'd say "Why can't English be phonetic?"
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15:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but i wouldn't write it as "oe", as that means something completely different than you think :p
15:47:55 <Hiddenfunstuff> wait.. you read 'rope' as roep?
15:47:58 <Flygon> But each language variant would write it down differently
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15:48:05 <Hiddenfunstuff> or well.. say it as
15:48:08 <Hiddenfunstuff> What is wrong with you
15:48:18 <Hiddenfunstuff> acctually.. Damnit
15:48:25 <Hiddenfunstuff> I am doing it aswell
15:48:39 <Hiddenfunstuff> or sometimes with u rather than e
15:49:01 <Hiddenfunstuff> more like soup
15:49:29 <Hiddenfunstuff> Still strange name
15:49:32 <Flygon> I can't write the second vowel in
15:49:44 <Flygon> There's no vowel-only combination for it in English :|
15:49:52 <Flygon> Despite it only being voels
15:50:05 <Flygon> And the only umlauts I know are Finnish
15:50:15 <Flygon> Which'd confuse the crap out of the Germans here
15:50:28 <Flygon> Because they'd wonder why I'd use the uber symbol
15:50:30 <Hiddenfunstuff> Wouldnt think germans would be so confused
15:50:37 <Flygon> Since my Finnish reading is very rusty
15:50:42 <Hiddenfunstuff> becuase as far as i know they also use and
15:50:45 <Flygon> I'd probably be using the wrong u sound anyway
15:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause> all the vowels in finnish are "ä"
15:51:16 <Flygon> There's no ENGLISH way of writing the sound I want to represent
15:51:25 <Flygon> Despite it being an actual freakin' sound in English language
15:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: that's what IPA is for
15:51:33 <Flygon> No wonder we have zero vowel standardization
15:51:41 <Hiddenfunstuff> Actually rofl... I cant remember the vowels
15:51:43 <Flygon> We may's well use hyroglypths and throw out the vowels
15:51:56 <Flygon> But I meant using English Alphabet, not IPA xP
15:52:10 <Hiddenfunstuff> neither do i remember the order of alphabets in the end
15:52:17 <Flygon> English does need a more phonetic method of being written, but it's impossible without creating new alphabets
15:52:23 <Eddi|zuHause> ever wonder how "w" became a consonant, when "u" is a vowel and "w" is "double-u"?
15:52:29 <Flygon> And some vowel sounds are impossible to represent with digraphs or trigraphs
15:52:46 <Flygon> Well, w is kind of half-way between a consonant and vowel tbh
15:52:54 <Flygon> It can be used as a sort-of vowel
15:52:59 <Hiddenfunstuff> what is the difference of consonant and vowel
15:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (and then the english screwed it up by even making "u" a consonant, sometimes)
15:53:33 <Flygon> Hell, the Aboriginal language from Alice Springs are basically used w as one of their vowels. If you counted vowels strictly, they'd have just TWO. w is basically the third
15:53:41 <Flygon> This makes the language incredibly painful to read.
15:54:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: i think the "naive" definition is: a vowel is a sound by itself, and a consonant is only a sound in combination with a vowel
15:54:44 <Flygon> (and even worse, the two vowels that ARE there are pretty close counting)
15:54:47 <Hiddenfunstuff> That made no sense in my head.. Dont bother trying to teach me.. I'm not very good at recieving information
15:55:04 <Flygon> A consonant can be a sound independant
15:55:13 <Flygon> It just sounds incredibly stupid in English
15:55:44 <Flygon> And even then, there's some pretty long words in English that're vowelless
15:56:11 <Flygon> Granted, that th is a digraph... but, you get my point
15:56:16 <Flygon> Four sounds, no vowels :B
15:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Hiddenfunstuff: if you try to describe the sound of a letter, a vowel is the same in both forms, like "a is spoken as a", whereas a consonant becomes more letters "j is spoken as jay"
15:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause> which is a hugely simplified (and thus wrong) definition...
16:03:09 <Flygon> Eddi: As a kid, I kept wondering why everyone kept misspelling things with js in them
16:03:13 <Flygon> And I learned in my 20s
16:03:21 <Flygon> That the js were used to represent y sounds
16:03:38 <Flygon> It didn't help that Fjords in Australia tend to be called... er
16:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Fords and Fjords are very different things, though
16:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Ford (or german Furt) is a shallow place in a river where you can cross (hence place names like Frankfurt), and Fjords are the coastal valleys in norway...
16:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> which are not shallow at all :p
16:06:19 <Hiddenfunstuff> Out of everything you could call Fjord.. you called them FORDS
16:08:34 <andythenorth> is a thing you cross a river with, or a car
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16:08:48 <andythenorth> did I miss much?
16:09:07 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of topic jumping :p
16:09:09 <Hiddenfunstuff> it felt like school's language lesson all over again
16:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the topic was porn, but i'm not sure :p
16:10:00 <Hiddenfunstuff> somehow it went from porn to 4K porn.. VR porn.. furries and ?? Somehow ended up in alphabets
16:10:26 <andythenorth> I won’t scrollback
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16:30:13 <Flygon> And you get furry 4K VR alphabet porn
16:30:45 <andythenorth> that is a mental image I can’t unsee
16:34:55 <peter1138> I can't even imagine it, fortunately.
16:35:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 's also beyond my realm of imagination
16:35:31 <Wolf01> like i can't imagine how to draw a timer bar of 300px in 64px
16:38:46 <Wolf01> also the 300px are dynamic and i don't know the initial size
16:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> so count in % and scale it to the actual size?
16:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> how that is a hard problem is also beyond my realm of imagination
16:40:15 <Wolf01> if i knew the initial size it was easier :)
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18:45:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27436 trunk/src/lang/spanish.txt (2015-11-05 18:45:08 +0100 )
18:45:18 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:19 <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
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