IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2015-09-30
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00:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it has absolutely no influence on growth
00:07:44 <Eddi|zuHause> symmetric helps you keep your trains loaded both ways.
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01:20:06 <Ram-Z> hi, I guess there is no way to scroll the viewport with WASD? or can this be configured someplace other than hatkeys.cfg?
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01:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Ram-Z: so, is hotkeys.cfg not capable of that?
01:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause> a GUI for hotkeys has not been implemented yet, though.
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09:07:03 * andythenorth wishes he had never released FIRS 2
09:10:38 <andythenorth> because it’s all fucked on bananas
09:10:46 <andythenorth> and I have to keep explaining why to users
09:11:48 <V453000> bananas bullshit isnt your fault
09:15:03 <V453000> but I understand how annoying it is to hear "wtf not available to stable" all the time
09:15:38 <V453000> you should request removal of newgrf and/or sabotage your newgrfs!
09:17:39 <andythenorth> I am going to remove 2.0 from Bananas
09:18:08 <V453000> you coudl uplaod 2.01 without version limitation?
09:18:14 <V453000> hm guess not if it requires that eh
09:18:59 <V453000> would be nicer if player got error upon newgrf adding "get new version nube" instead of not being able to find something due to untold reasons
09:23:28 <andythenorth> I could upload 1.4.4, but renumbered as 2.0.1
09:23:32 <andythenorth> but that is bollocks :)
09:23:54 <V453000> well, not showing latest compatible version is even more bollocks
09:24:01 <V453000> I would have probably done that in your place
09:24:26 <V453000> admittedly, some of my newGRFs were trunk-only for some time, but my users are a bit different than yours
09:36:52 <andythenorth> I am honestly surprised that people use FIRS
09:37:01 <andythenorth> the download counts are not very high on bananas
09:37:07 <andythenorth> the forum thread is pretty quiet
09:37:25 <andythenorth> my impression has been that ECS is vastly more popular, judging by screenshots and so on
09:37:51 <V453000> you look in wrong places :)
09:38:03 <V453000> screenshots are realism faggots most of the time
09:38:13 <V453000> actual playing servers almost never use ECS
09:38:41 <V453000> if openttdcoop uses ECS, it means someone of the admins got a mental breakdown
09:38:50 <V453000> FIRS is sometimes used on the other hand
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10:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> <V453000> EXPLAIN <-- you sound like a dalek...
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14:31:00 <Demosthenex> hrm. so cargodist does a good job illustrating a route, so i'm doing a bunch of point ot point connections....
14:31:16 <Demosthenex> is there a way to pull up the vehicles on a route (ie: click the route lines?)
14:36:07 <planetmaker> depends on whether you use groups or not
14:36:23 <planetmaker> it needs some manual maintenance for those groups
14:43:34 <Demosthenex> i almost want queries instead :P
14:43:42 <Demosthenex> you can't mass rename for instance
14:43:48 <Demosthenex> i guess i should check on groups again
14:44:06 <Demosthenex> so if they are grouped, you can click the cargo lines?
14:48:47 <planetmaker> not that. But you can then access all vehicles in that group. And most often people use it to group them by cargo lines
14:48:59 <planetmaker> and you do use shared orders, do you?
14:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> click a vehicle, click its timetable, there's a button on the lower right that gives you a list of all vehicles that use this shared timetable
14:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> similarly, you can click a station, and get a list of all vehicles that use that station
14:58:53 <Demosthenex> yeah, i've been using those
14:59:15 <Demosthenex> just hard ot search through 20 vehicles for 2 cities in common on their route...
14:59:43 <Demosthenex> which is why i was hoping i could click a cargodist route and see what vehicles it was calculating from
15:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not really how it works
15:00:29 <Demosthenex> no, i guess not now, but could you see that as a useful feature?
15:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, useful. but not practical.
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19:29:06 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r27406 trunk/src/tree_cmd.cpp (2015-09-30 19:28:58 +0200 )
19:29:07 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Use same start/end tile convention in CmdPlantTree as in other TileArea commands. (HackaLittleBit)
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20:26:29 <andythenorth> so I’m to branch FIRS at the 1.4.4 tag, bump the version, and tag that as 1.4.5, then put it on bananas
20:26:36 <andythenorth> does that actually solve the problem, or just make it worse?
20:27:20 <frosch123> make sure that the newgrf version is not newer than the 2.0
20:27:42 <frosch123> your 1.4.5 should be newer on bananas, but older within ottd, for those who downloaded 2.0
20:30:27 <andythenorth> ok so the version would be the repo version
20:31:08 <andythenorth> which is given in the makefile as
20:31:09 <andythenorth> REPO_REVISION := $(shell HGPLAIN= $(HG) id -n | cut -d+ -f1)
20:31:30 <andythenorth> so eh, I have NFI if that would be newer than 2.0
20:31:43 <frosch123> well, then you need to fake that :)
20:32:02 <frosch123> are there any real differences between 1.4.4 and 1.4.5 ?
20:32:51 <frosch123> i guess assign a hardcoded version number in 1.4.5, and don't use the automatic
20:33:07 <andythenorth> it’s just a re-release
20:33:14 <frosch123> well, then don't commit
20:33:17 <andythenorth> can I just bump the version in bananas?
20:33:22 <andythenorth> and don’t bother with a tag?
20:33:37 <frosch123> build 1.4.4 and change only the version in the language files
20:33:57 <frosch123> different strings will result in a different md5sum, so banans accepts it as new
20:34:30 <frosch123> bananas doesn'T accept a file with the same md5sum, you have to make some dummy change, e.g. in some string or translation
20:35:23 <andythenorth> and then I distribute 2.0.0 via forums
20:42:29 <andythenorth> so in musa.ini, I’m setting min. ottd version to 1.5
20:42:32 <andythenorth> does that sound right?
20:42:41 <andythenorth> compatibility is 1.5 or newer
20:43:31 <frosch123> what 1.5. feature does it use?
20:44:06 <andythenorth> it’s probably compatible back to 1.4 or 1.3, but I don’t know that for a fact
20:44:12 <andythenorth> I know for a fact it is 1.5 compatible
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20:47:25 <andythenorth> yeah that has failed :(
20:47:37 * andythenorth must have done it wrong
20:49:40 <andythenorth> don’t test with 1.5.0-RC1 if you have set 1.5.0 as min. version :P
20:50:10 <andythenorth> also I set the description wrong
20:55:07 <Alberth> make an empty savegame with the 1.4.4 newgrf ?
20:56:50 <andythenorth> but is described as “2.0.0-alpha” :P
20:56:56 <andythenorth> brown bag release
20:57:04 <andythenorth> and now bananas won’t accept the 1.4.6 I made
20:58:00 <andythenorth> bananas web interface just worked :o
20:58:24 * andythenorth edited the description
21:01:28 <andythenorth> what happens if I have a savegame with 2.0.0 in it?
21:01:34 <andythenorth> is that now broken for Bananas?
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21:15:09 <andythenorth> because andythenorth doesn’t understand bananas
21:15:54 <andythenorth> I dont know if 1.4.5 is seen as the upgrade to the 2.0.0 releases
21:16:08 <andythenorth> in which case the savegames are broken
21:18:56 <frosch123> banans upgrades and savegame upgrades are different
21:19:02 <frosch123> bananas versions in the order you upload
21:19:15 <frosch123> savegames version with the a14 version number
21:20:36 <Ram-Z> Eddi|zuHause: no, hotkeys.cfg doesn't support remapping the scroll keys :(
21:26:18 <Ram-Z> also... how can I map something to "space" ?
21:28:49 * andythenorth edits forum post
21:32:02 <Ram-Z> frosch123: any technical reasons why space wouldn't work?
21:32:35 <Ram-Z> but space should be easy right?
21:32:55 <frosch123> iirc some keys were left out because they are used in weird ways
21:33:02 <frosch123> but maybe space was just forgotten :)
21:33:40 <Ram-Z> let me try to add space
21:34:50 <frosch123> space is used to close news items and error popups
21:35:03 <frosch123> no idea whether the focus order make that conflict with hotkey uage
21:37:13 <frosch123> scrolling is not hotkeyable because of _dirkeys
21:37:39 <frosch123> i.e. because they act while held down, and now once when pressed
21:38:38 <Ram-Z> yeah, realized that that would be difficult to implement(if at all) while looking through the code
21:44:29 <_dp_> I tried adding space to hotkeys once and that didn't work well
21:46:59 <_dp_> Yeah, it's quite annoying that some good keys are hardcoded to useless functions.
21:48:42 <Ram-Z> yeah, I curently can't use hotkeys because I can't scroll with WASD and have my left hand on the arrow keys... with the exception of CTRL there's nothing you can reach there
21:50:50 <_dp_> I rebinded all hotkeys to left half of keyboard, and scroll with mouse
21:51:43 <Ram-Z> don't really like the mouse scrolling... feels so clunky
21:53:35 <_dp_> it's faster than scrolling with keyboard and goes well with mousewheel zoom
22:09:56 <Ram-Z> yeah but it's so much moving with one hand
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