IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-12-10
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00:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i think the brand new keyboard just broke
00:28:01 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to be unable to connect with the receiver
00:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> now i'm stuck on this wired keyboard... i don't like that at all
01:08:48 <glx> have you tried to switch it off then on ?
01:10:42 <glx> and the batteries are ok too I guess
01:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i also tried replacing them. but it would be odd if brand new batteries were empty
01:11:38 <glx> maybe it's juste a matter of resyncing them
01:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> there are no sync buttons
01:12:06 <glx> anyway I hate wireless ;)
01:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause> this also never happened with the previous two incarnations of the same type
01:13:12 <glx> well if it's new there's guarantee
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08:13:36 * Supercheese is translating Road Hog
08:25:12 <andythenorth> Supercheese: can you translate Iron Horse to English?
08:25:43 <andythenorth> I refuse to write British English
08:25:57 <andythenorth> IH is in internationalised English
08:26:19 <V453000> how does it matter which english it is if people understand it? :D
08:26:29 <andythenorth> V453000 it matters a lot to the foamers
08:26:30 <V453000> international as fuck
08:26:32 <Supercheese> Well, there are no obvious spelling differences like with Road Hog's Marvellous/Marvelous
08:26:41 <andythenorth> I think I can set it up so en-us is base lang, and someone can maintain the Brit translation, which will suit the foamers
08:26:47 <andythenorth> ‘caboose car’ = ‘brake van'
08:27:00 <Supercheese> also, I take it the strings are sort of compiled post-eints
08:27:11 <V453000> I just call it Caboose and nobody has yet complained.
08:27:16 <Supercheese> since there are far more string combinations in IH than are available for translating
08:27:19 <andythenorth> is NUTS translated?
08:27:39 <Supercheese> NUTS ain't on eints
08:27:48 <Supercheese> say that 10 times fast... :P
08:28:24 <Supercheese> oh what the devil
08:28:30 <Supercheese> Marvellous has appeared in IH too
08:28:38 <Supercheese> I must have only checked a long time ago
08:28:46 <andythenorth> not many strings in IH
08:28:54 <andythenorth> V453000: shush :P
08:28:59 <argoneus> to have a british english interpreter
08:29:03 <V453000> FUNCTIONALITY not double L is what matters :P
08:29:04 <argoneus> when obama has a speech or something
08:29:19 <andythenorth> it’s nice to let people have a grf in their own lang
08:29:27 <andythenorth> instead of enforcing English on them
08:29:42 <Supercheese> and eints makes translating convenient
08:30:17 <andythenorth> hmm, the wagon names aren’t translated in IH right now
08:30:20 <andythenorth> that could be changed
08:30:29 <argoneus> how the fuck do you even translate doomsday engine to czech
08:31:20 <V453000> nobody translates song names either
08:31:23 <V453000> well somep eople do but ...
08:31:54 <Supercheese> Yeah there are a lot of things in IH not offered for translation
08:32:07 <argoneus> you translate movie names though
08:32:23 <V453000> which is also quite wtf usually
08:33:16 <argoneus> I like when people just go "ahh fuck it"
08:33:19 <argoneus> and make a completely new name for it
08:33:25 <argoneus> instead of attempting to translate
08:34:13 <Supercheese> Are the "Serpentine", "Westbourne", and "Fleet" engines in IH intended to emulate underground railway trains?
08:34:17 <V453000> once saw a film which was called A City Near The Sea or something like that ... to czech translated as "The Hour of Truth"
08:34:45 <argoneus> that doesn't sound czech to me
08:34:58 <V453000> obviously in the direct equivalent
08:35:52 <argoneus> I had an aneurysm from both Inglourious Basterds and the czech translation
08:35:59 <argoneus> that thing just hurts my eyes
08:37:26 <andythenorth> Supercheese: yeah they’re metro, so underground / overground
08:37:34 <andythenorth> I should have called one Mornington Crescent
08:37:39 <Supercheese> roger, "Subways" here then
08:38:03 <andythenorth> wonder what they are in British English?
08:38:17 <Supercheese> I like how we call them Subways even when they are above ground on parts of their line
08:39:01 <V453000> metro is more universal yeah :D
08:39:02 <Supercheese> and then we have Subway sandwiches...
08:40:16 <andythenorth> Supercheese: I might push some more translation strings
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09:02:24 <andythenorth> Cabbage Cabbage Cabbage
09:08:49 <andythenorth> ‘Cabbage’ is how check if translations are working ;)
09:08:58 <andythenorth> if you see Cabbage show up in IH, I’ve screwed up
09:10:04 <andythenorth> Supercheese: I just made all wagon names translatable, pushed
09:10:17 <andythenorth> still need to translate the track type name I guess
09:10:27 <argoneus> anyone here is a musician/composer hobbyist?
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09:11:27 <Supercheese> I put a few bits together in Famitracker once... chiptunes are about the extent of my musical endeavors
09:12:11 <argoneus> I just want to get some sort of 49 key midi controller sub $100
09:12:15 <argoneus> and I don't know if that's dreamy or what
09:12:53 <Supercheese> Well, I'd sell you my keyboard but it'd be a looong ways to ship I reckon ;)
09:13:15 <argoneus> is it an actual keyboard
09:13:18 <argoneus> or just a midi controller
09:14:09 <Supercheese> full keyboard, but naturally with midi hookups
09:14:18 <Supercheese> not sure if that'd even be what you'd want
09:14:31 <argoneus> that's probably super expensive
09:14:37 <argoneus> I just need a cheap budget controller
09:14:46 <argoneus> but something that isn't shitty and doesn't break in a week
09:16:55 <peter1138> I got an M-Audio Keystation 49es
09:23:01 <peter1138> Oh, no MIDI, it's USB-MIDI.
09:23:41 <argoneus> that's what I want I think
09:23:50 <argoneus> just something to plug to my computer and press buttons
09:24:10 <peter1138> This has no buttons.
09:25:14 <peter1138> I use it for programming. It's quite hard, hence why I haven't touched ottd's code for ages...
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09:42:18 <V453000> andythenorth: the General Cargo Trucks still should carry iron ore in some hoppery things XD boxcars are real wtf
09:43:12 <supermop> sacks of ore in boxcars?
09:43:27 <supermop> suitcases of coal in passenger wagons?
09:45:44 <supermop> hatchback with backseat footwell full of bauxite?
09:45:48 <andythenorth> curtain side truck innit
09:46:08 <V453000> ...............................
09:46:16 <V453000> doesnt matter, is ugly
09:46:26 <andythenorth> agreed, don’t have a solution though
09:46:27 <V453000> people need to see them hopperz :P
09:46:36 <andythenorth> well that’s daft though
09:46:41 <andythenorth> changing the sprites
09:46:59 <andythenorth> it’s a different approach
09:47:04 <andythenorth> one vehicle to rule them all
09:47:05 <V453000> why is nobody drawing visible cargoes
09:47:13 <andythenorth> change the sprites to suit the refit
09:47:22 <andythenorth> I started out there with trucks, but it was boring
09:47:29 <andythenorth> boring boring boring
09:47:50 <V453000> you started wat, drawing cargoze?
09:48:13 <andythenorth> I had a universal truck, just change the trailer to suit
09:48:18 <andythenorth> canned that idea
09:49:10 <andythenorth> if you want graphics, use the mining trucks
09:49:45 <andythenorth> no loaded state in the mining trucks apparently
09:49:55 <V453000> universal truck with changing trailers is actually awesome
09:49:56 <andythenorth> wonder what happens, might be invisible when loaded
09:50:52 * andythenorth had better do load states for mining trucks
09:51:04 <andythenorth> also truck sprites
09:51:22 <V453000> apply material to 10 various cargoes
09:51:50 <V453000> The Community demands technical progress!
09:51:57 <andythenorth> especially ships
09:52:06 <V453000> especially everything
09:52:18 <andythenorth> what are you using, Max?
09:52:38 <andythenorth> are you scripting any of it?
09:52:54 <V453000> I guess I will have to at least look a little into it later
09:53:18 <V453000> read a bunch of rigging tutorials where scripting was a must, so will see
09:53:20 <andythenorth> so you switch loads, how? Toggle layers on/off? Change texture? Hide / show objects?
09:53:31 * andythenorth hasn’t seen Max for about 9 years :P
09:53:58 <V453000> I have up to 256 vehicles per layer
09:54:11 <V453000> so I can just instance-clone a hopper, and add various cargoes to it
09:54:24 <V453000> and even instance-clone the cargo heaps, and just make the materials differ
09:55:07 <V453000> the only annoying part is that I have to link each of the cloned hoppers to the Dummy which controls rotation/scaling
09:55:14 <V453000> please do peter1138 :D
09:55:35 * andythenorth scripts cloning V453000
09:55:52 <andythenorth> if I went down the 3D route, I’d have to spend months scripting it, to save time
09:55:57 <andythenorth> I’m not clicking actual buttons
09:56:08 <andythenorth> the only time I’ve had real RSI is doing 3D animation
09:56:25 <andythenorth> click, move mesh point, click, move mesh point
09:56:45 <V453000> yes, scripting would help a lot of time
09:56:46 <andythenorth> choose new timeline key, move mesh points
09:56:54 <andythenorth> then change it, to make it better
09:57:17 <V453000> I prefer moving verticez around manually
09:57:34 <andythenorth> for non-EZ stuff with symmetry, I wouldn’t gain much from 3D
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09:57:45 <andythenorth> for ships, 3D would make Squid get done a lot faster
09:57:53 <V453000> the biggest part where max buttons are short and scripts would do great is rendering CC masks
09:57:58 <andythenorth> especially if someone else modelled, lit, textured, and rendered it :x
09:58:00 <V453000> you have to matte some parts of the objects which is meh
09:58:11 <V453000> btw ... why make non-EZ stuff ;)
09:58:20 <V453000> if you have 3D, the output can be anything
09:58:32 <V453000> EZ, 16xEZ, or whatever
09:58:35 <andythenorth> because you haven’t made a complete landscape base set that looks just like TTD original yet
09:58:40 <andythenorth> so EZ is useless to me
09:58:57 <andythenorth> also I don’t really care either way
09:59:19 <V453000> I still respect pixels, especially the ones for licking
09:59:24 <V453000> but 3D is just useful.
09:59:39 <andythenorth> ships ships ships ships ships
09:59:46 <andythenorth> I would never have done the zellepins myself
09:59:50 <andythenorth> been avoiding them for years
10:03:56 <supermop> 2d images are such a pain to get excited about
10:04:14 <supermop> i always slog through them
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10:12:34 <supermop> same with writing copy
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11:58:37 <supermop> taking a photo of a poster in an ikea frame with a point and shoot camera is not a way to get decent product shots
13:07:37 <peter1138> Do I want to spend £50 on VDSL?
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13:08:01 <andythenorth> what does it do?
13:08:14 <peter1138> Gives me up to 80 mbps down and up to 20 mbps up.
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13:45:28 <andythenorth> or does all the local bandwidth get eaten by students and toddlers
13:45:37 <andythenorth> as per my Virgin connection
13:46:06 <andythenorth> 3pm bam, mass watching of peppa pig on tablets, there goes my internet
13:46:38 <__ln__> what technology is your connection?
13:46:54 <andythenorth> actually no, cable loop
13:46:59 <andythenorth> copper not fibre though
13:47:33 <andythenorth> usually better than ADSL over copper phone
13:47:50 <andythenorth> but not when the local cabinets are over-subscribed
13:49:15 <__ln__> i'd assume cable is much more sensitive to what your neighbourhood is doing. than *dsl.
13:58:20 <peter1138> VDSL is what BT call "super fast fibre optic broadband"
13:58:28 <peter1138> i.e. fibre to the box, and then copper to your home.
13:59:09 <peter1138> Apparently BT are desperate enough to be giving it away.
13:59:31 <peter1138> But I don't want to use smelly BT.
14:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause> recently they sent someone around here to get people to upgrade their phone lines from analogue, and since then i seem to have problems with youtube in the evening
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14:04:06 <peter1138> Yeah, I don't want to use BT :)
14:04:30 <peter1138> I realise they're still involved anyway, but it can be better.
14:13:48 <andythenorth> by nearly anyone
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15:14:54 <peter1138> Hrm, weird, hosts can't ping their router, but RA worked o_O
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16:08:25 <Jinassi> hust have some nice firewall if it cannot ping it
16:08:48 <Jinassi> or router set to not respond to pings
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16:24:20 <peter1138> Ok... it can't ping... itself.
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17:45:49 <peter1138> Happy Birthday sir Belugas
17:46:05 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27078 /trunk/src/lang (latin.txt portuguese.txt) (2014-12-10 17:45:59 UTC)
17:46:06 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:07 <DorpsGek> latin - 12 changes by Supercheese
17:46:08 <DorpsGek> portuguese - 47 changes by ZeDWeB
17:50:10 <Belugas> thanks mister Nelson!
17:50:34 <Belugas> Big gift, a new car lol!
17:50:46 <Xaroth|Work> what kind of car?
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17:59:13 <Belugas> corolla 2015, sport. RED!~
17:59:50 <Belugas> Sport is a big word to categorize such a car, but let say it is a style lol
18:02:09 <Rubidium> sadly enough it won't reach Tadoussac much faster ;)
18:02:52 <Belugas> a nice trip anyway we had, Rubidium ;)
18:03:29 <Rubidium> yeah, pleasant memories
18:04:26 <peter1138> Sport just refers to trim normally, heh
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18:05:06 * Rubidium wonders why so many things are branches <year>+1
18:05:18 <Rubidium> as if it will keep it new for a year longer...
18:06:12 <Alberth> hot thing for next year summer, you wouldn't want to have a car that's already old when you bought it, eh? :)
18:06:42 <Rubidium> undoubtedly the 2016 model is out by then
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18:14:03 <frosch123> Rubidium: it's more like a best-before date
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19:21:49 <Belugas> grrr... meeting with shift4. we all know what you are doing, we've implemented your stuff!!
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19:22:50 <Belugas> yeah... trim sport car. engine is same as other. only real sport feature is the leather steerwheel and the seats
19:23:27 <Belugas> ho and the tranasmission that can be manually down or up shifted from the sterringwheel as well!
19:23:56 <Belugas> as if i'll use them heheh
19:33:12 <Belugas> lol! yeah!! that's correctly stated :D
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19:44:48 <Wolf01> mmh, router reboot time
19:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> warrenty replacement, episode #25
19:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that was probably the 5th time in 6 years that i replaced the mouse/keyboard
19:54:17 <Supercheese> Oh good grief, the webtranslator must hate me, it has locked up again
19:54:30 <Supercheese> as in locked the language, not froze
19:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you expect... you torture it with latin
19:55:20 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody hates their latin teacher
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20:16:16 <frosch123> luckily i have the wt3 command still in my bash history :)
20:20:50 <frosch123> Supercheese: now you can break it again :p
20:27:43 <glx> Supercheese: I guess you messed with cases ;)
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