IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-11-27
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00:47:58 <glx> and it's not OpenTTD but SDL
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01:00:16 <Supercheese> some patch, I presume?
01:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i asked myself that same question
01:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause> like a missing panel after GUI rearrangement
01:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> today's earworm presented by Star Trek VIII: The First Contact
01:03:31 <Supercheese> There aren't even dividers between the vehicles
01:03:58 <Supercheese> bah, the whole thing is full of weird
01:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause> there is also no raising edge at the left, but there is one on the top
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02:55:26 <ginko> Discovered a game called Prison Architect, it seems to be a complex simulation with an active modding community and it's on sale on Steam and costs 9,51 instead of 27,99 - it's still in Alpha but looks promising
02:55:53 <ginko> Personally: I have not bought it, but will monitor it's development. Some other people in here might be interested (and it's available for Win / Mac / Linux)
02:56:24 <ginko> Sale ends 2nd December (Autumn Sale)
02:57:16 <ginko> I will repost this (if I don't forget) later during the day when more people will be online
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09:36:22 <planetmaker> paranuts. If you shake 'em enough, they'll naturally surface
09:41:02 <argoneus> V453000: do you have a car?
09:41:17 <V453000> how the hell does that matter
09:41:37 * argoneus wants to get a car eventually but has no idea what is cheap to buy and maintain
09:42:04 <argoneus> I figured that VW/skoda would fall into that category?
09:42:08 <argoneus> since both are produced here?
09:42:18 <argoneus> I mean, I'd imagine it's expensive to repair fords and renaults, no?
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09:43:33 <planetmaker> Those are expensive to repair which often break down
09:43:48 <argoneus> planetmaker: you talking about fords etc?
09:44:52 <planetmaker> I didn't compile any statistics.
09:45:29 <peter1138> It all depends on the car, not really the brand.
09:45:58 <planetmaker> well, the same screw for a Porsche probably costs 5x as much as for a Fiat ;)
09:46:02 <argoneus> peter1138: car piece by piece, or car model by model?
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09:46:14 <argoneus> are all ford focuses similar in duraiblity?
09:46:32 <argoneus> but it also depends on year, no?
09:47:22 <peter1138> It all depends, as V453000 said.
09:47:51 <V453000> what I mainly meant is that you should stop "do you have job A, did you do B to get it, and do you live like C now?"
09:47:53 <argoneus> so basically I need to pray to god and buy something and hope it werks?
09:48:19 <argoneus> V453000: I don't understand
09:48:54 <Jinassi> morning, argoneus, you wanna buy a reliable car?
09:48:59 <V453000> that you should get back to working/studying and not care so much about what other people do or how did they get to it :)
09:49:15 <argoneus> V453000: well, I could really use a car
09:49:32 <argoneus> since we have none in my family, and members of my family who can't really walk that great would like to go to places too :<
09:49:44 <V453000> well then you will probably want to buy an older one anyway, and there it ultra differs
09:49:48 <argoneus> I don't care if it looks like from the 19th century and drives 50 only
09:49:55 <V453000> not just brands / models but also its state etc
09:50:00 <argoneus> I just want something, but I don't even know what that something is that I'm looking for
09:50:14 <V453000> kind of hard to answer then
09:50:16 <argoneus> and from my understanding those salesmen will do anything to sell shitty cars that have been in accidents before
09:50:25 <argoneus> so I was wondering if you had any suggestions :<
09:50:38 <argoneus> from experience or such
09:51:02 <Jinassi> I do, get a mechanic, pay him a beer or a kegel and take him with you to find a good,reliable car
09:51:37 <planetmaker> that is sound advice indeed, Jinassi :)
09:51:48 <argoneus> having a friend mechanic is a good idea, I guess
09:52:12 <argoneus> do people in the shops let you drive the car to a mechanic to check it out?
09:52:48 <planetmaker> if they're proper business men, yes
09:52:59 <planetmaker> if they're cut-throats, then no
09:53:03 <peter1138> you might get a test drive with them
09:53:22 <peter1138> so no cars in your family
09:53:32 <peter1138> does anyone have a driving license? heh
09:53:34 <V453000> what is the bad thing on taking them with you? :D
09:54:26 <peter1138> indeed, you want them to give a glance before you set foot in it, let alone move it
09:55:12 <argoneus> my family is me, my mom, and my 80 year old grandparents
09:55:18 <argoneus> if I don't drive, no one will :<
09:56:13 <Jinassi> argoneus, what car do you like so far?
09:56:27 <argoneus> some older fabia or a vw golf
09:56:40 <argoneus> they aren't that expensive I think?
09:56:55 <Jinassi> will you be taking long or short routes?
09:57:13 <argoneus> 40 km there and back once/twice per month I'd guess
09:57:24 <argoneus> so like 2500km/year?
09:57:34 <planetmaker> argoneus, depends also on what you call "not so expensive". You can get a brand new Fabia for 10k€
09:57:44 <argoneus> of course not brand new
09:57:50 <argoneus> used is what I'm talking about
09:57:54 <argoneus> brand new is way out of my league
09:58:02 <argoneus> that's why I think it's tricky
09:58:12 <planetmaker> A Golf starts at not quite twice that price
09:58:24 <planetmaker> but used prices then scale somewhat :)
09:58:34 <argoneus> aren't the cheapest on the market basically
09:58:42 <argoneus> "I don't have an engine or I was in a major accident"
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10:01:43 <Jinassi> we can write a thesis about buying used cars, i bought like 6 for myself and my better part, got any voice comms to talk? i cba to write it all, since i'd like to help you out not buying a repainted shit that will start to break and rust in 2 months
10:02:18 <argoneus> I'm at work right now :<
10:02:23 <argoneus> Jinassi: where are you from by the way?
10:03:23 <Jinassi> yeh, not many knows where that is, it's like we're the black sheep of Europe
10:03:32 <argoneus> just making sure it's not slovakia
10:03:49 <argoneus> I'm not exactly sure where it is tbh
10:03:52 <argoneus> south of austria Ithink
10:05:12 <argoneus> Jinassi: but basically
10:05:18 <argoneus> does it apply that if a car looks too cheap to be true
10:05:20 <argoneus> then it probably is?
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11:59:12 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 years, 7 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Bjarni> heh
11:59:46 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I have not seen KUDr.
12:01:49 <V453000> nuts grew to 50mb already XD
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12:50:18 <argoneus> I bet you guys haven't even played call of duty modern warfare 3
12:59:10 <V453000> but we have played openttd
12:59:15 <V453000> which is quite a lot more intelligent :)
12:59:31 <V453000> you cant get a car for it yeah
13:00:33 <planetmaker> fully ack, V453000
13:04:07 <V453000> I dont even remotely understand how can anybody buy the same exact game every year
13:04:15 <V453000> call of duty 12038911
13:04:23 <V453000> that just sounds purely idiotic to me
13:04:52 <V453000> you run and shoot shit, probably the same mechanics, perhaps with TINY differences and graphics to sell it
13:07:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but! there's a campaign with about half an hour of storyline!
13:07:45 <planetmaker> it's called 'call of duty' as they consider it your duty to shell out the money. anually. ever more
13:08:20 <V453000> unfortunately both are very valid I guess
13:13:56 <peter1138> FPS should be played with mouse, anyway...
13:15:17 <V453000> toilet paper is great in case of first person shitter
13:15:50 <peter1138> Although I played Doom with keyboard, back in the day.
13:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i played sokoban.
13:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> (actually, i did play a bit of doom)
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15:33:14 <argoneus> the cod's aren't THAT bad
15:33:57 <argoneus> 1 was great, 2 was awesome, 3 doesn't exist, MW1 awesome, 5 good, MW2 fine, black ops good, MW3 ehh, blops2 ehh, advanced warfare 2 fine\
15:34:28 <V453000> which doesnt change anything on the thing that they are all the same? :D
15:34:41 <argoneus> at least 1 2 4 and 5 are very different
15:34:49 <argoneus> 4 and MW2 and MW3 are kinda similar
15:34:52 <argoneus> blops 1/2 are similar
15:34:56 <argoneus> adv warfare is differentish
15:35:48 <argoneus> do I need to cover 1 2 4 and 5 or are those obvious?
15:36:05 <V453000> I go and shoot shit with similar mechanics
15:36:07 <argoneus> those are very different
15:36:19 <V453000> +different grafix! (OMG)
15:37:01 <argoneus> 1 was slow paced, had a health system, no hit indicators, WW2 setting
15:37:20 <argoneus> cod2 has better graphics, is slow and tactical, has regenerating health, has a different weapon system, has hit indicators, maps are different, new game modes
15:37:43 <argoneus> cod4 is modern setting, very fast paced, very quick maps, fast shooting and reloading weapons, lots of movement, has sprinting
15:38:19 <argoneus> cod5 is like a mix between 4 and 2
15:38:43 <argoneus> these four feel very different
15:38:50 <argoneus> and are played differently
15:39:01 <argoneus> after that they are kinda similar I guess
15:39:10 <argoneus> but black ops has a great campaign
15:39:16 <argoneus> and advanced warfare has new movement mechanics
15:45:18 <peter1138> Is it like Minecraft?
15:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> minecraft is so cruel...
15:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i fished an almost perfect bow out of the ocean
15:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and it can't be repaired
15:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause> anvil says it's too expensive
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18:00:35 <ginko> Interesting game on sale on steam (autumn sale) - available for Linux / Mac / Windows, in Alpha, active modding community, Prison Architect
18:00:56 <ginko> Personally have not bought it, but some of you might be interested maybe
18:01:11 <Jinassi> tell me, have you tried KSP yet?
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18:03:16 <ginko> glx sorry, thought it would not bother anyone
18:03:56 <Jinassi> Kerbals in space :p so easy on 1st looks, but so hard once you dig in
18:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's only rocket science, how hard can it be...
18:06:41 <ginko> So a Be Elon Musk simulator? ;)
18:06:57 <planetmaker> ginko, this is not a general game advertizement channel.
18:07:10 <planetmaker> you now advertized it twice. And keep it at that.
18:07:35 <planetmaker> we don't exactly need off-topic spam
18:08:06 <ginko> Off-topic discussions are plenty
18:08:30 <planetmaker> yes. But people who join the channel just to advertize their current favourite game are rare
18:08:35 <ginko> I don't want to have this discussion really. This content is not wanted here, I got notice, I understand, sorry, won't happen again
18:09:34 <ginko> I am not playing it btw, don't think I'd like it
18:09:45 <ginko> Jinassi Kerbal Space Program? Looks interesting
18:09:49 <planetmaker> kinda makes it worse, doesn't it?
18:10:36 <ginko> planetmaker I thought many in here could be interested even though it's not to my taste
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19:10:15 <Jinassi> would anyone be so kind and enlighten me, if pulling logs with rcon would cripple a running game?
19:11:01 <frosch123> no idea what logs you mean, but likely it has no effect
19:11:43 <Jinassi> hoping that using rcon gamelo would give me actions players did
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19:12:07 <Jinassi> as i am not able to wake up host lol
19:12:09 <frosch123> no, it doesn't log players
19:12:18 <frosch123> it only logs server admins breaking the savegame
19:12:20 <Jinassi> ah, thank you frosch123
19:13:30 <Jinassi> i ain't touching that then, since it will have no effect, maybe if i do break it, some alarms would sound...
19:14:47 <Jinassi> I presume there is something similar running, altough I'd have to ssh in to pull it
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20:34:05 <George> how does the cost of rail types converttation is calculated?
20:36:44 <Wolf01> "cost of the new type - removal income of the old type" I suppose
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20:39:39 <frosch123> which someone believed to me realistic
20:40:50 <Wolf01> Ok, at least I got the first instruction right :P
20:44:54 <frosch123> i am sure there were multiple bug reports when it was just like wolf said :p
20:45:12 <frosch123> i also recall a forum topic, but likely it was not helpful
20:47:37 <George> frosch123: could you have a look at FS#6177?
20:47:54 <George> What do you think about it?
20:50:28 <frosch123> apparently your prices are flawed
20:50:43 <frosch123> as you can see in above code, compatible railtypes are cheaper to convert
20:51:25 <frosch123> they are only as expensive as rebuiling, if removal of rail is really cheap
20:51:59 <frosch123> also, about anything involving costs my answer will always be: i don't care
20:53:12 <frosch123> also i always hoped for modular newgrfs which work with others, anything that relies on fixed stuff i consider bad thus
21:11:27 <peter1138> I think that was probably Celestar :)
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21:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, there's a big discount of heroes 6, and i thought to myself: "well, i liked heroes 3, maybe they didn't screw it up enough for me to hate it", but all the reviews are like "fucking uplay is horrible and game can't be played at all"
22:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> how did it get to this place where even potentially nice games are completely screwed over by DRM crap?
22:06:12 <Sheogorath> why in multiplayer it isn't allowed to take over a company
22:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> only if they go bankrupt
22:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> not by buying 100% shares
22:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> since the game is not balanced at all, it would be a terrible mechanic
22:19:46 <Jinassi> Eddi|zuHause: I was in the same place as you are when Settlers 7 came out, loved the entire series. Then they started with Uplay and "online bonus" content. Thank you and goodbye
22:20:38 <Jinassi> that was quite a few years ago though, must be really tight by now. Haven't bought anything from Ubi since then
22:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, "mini metro"... sounds like something andythenorth would get addicted to.
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