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08:44:03  <planetmaker> hm, this is the 23rd largest channel on this network :D

08:44:37  <peter1138> ..

08:44:40  <peter1138> it's pretty tiny

08:45:12  <planetmaker> yeah, still :)

08:45:22  <planetmaker> http://searchirc.com/search.php?SCHANS=1&SSORT=SIZE&N=OFTC&D=color&P=1

08:45:41  <peter1138> woo yay, updates for packages updated yesterday :S

08:46:07  <planetmaker> yup, had that, too. well :) good and bad, can't decide :)

09:19:35  <peter1138> yeah, more acpi fixes too

09:19:44  <peter1138> and libcurl

09:19:54  <peter1138> those 2 apply to way more systems than the libmagic fix :S

09:21:04  <peter1138> one day i'll figure out puppet

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10:45:32  <blathijs> 1/n

10:45:35  <blathijs> w00ps

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10:50:15  <blathijs> Sacro: hm?

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12:36:11  <andythenorth_> Lo pikka bob

12:42:42  <Pikka> lo alphonso the terrible

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12:45:17  <FUZxxl> I have a question

12:45:25  <Pikka> don't we all

12:45:31  <FUZxxl> Is there code in OpenTTD that makes breakdowns more likely if a train is on a junction?

12:46:19  <planetmaker> there is no such code

12:47:14  <FUZxxl> uhh..

12:47:19  <FUZxxl> It really feels like that.

12:50:19  <V453000> XD

12:50:48  <V453000> perhaps it is because your trains are slowed at a junction, spending more time there, increasing the probability that it happens there

12:50:54  <FUZxxl> might be

13:00:06  <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe it's a perception bias. breakdowns on a junction cause more harm, so you notice them more often

13:04:30  <planetmaker> or both :)

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13:20:38  <FUZxxl> I wonder why OpenTTD semaphores look so much like German H/V signals. Wasn't Sawyer british?

13:21:09  <__ln__> or scottish?

13:21:14  <FUZxxl> or that

13:21:25  <FUZxxl> either way, British semaphors look different

13:21:26  <__ln__> indeed, scottish.

13:21:54  <__ln__> also, he's still alive for all we know. therefore not "was".

13:22:12  <FUZxxl> true.

13:22:14  <__ln__> what about scottish semaphores?

13:22:26  <FUZxxl> I think they use the British ones

13:22:32  <FUZxxl> let me pull out some pictures

13:23:00  <FUZxxl> H/V semaphors: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Formsignale_Solarzellen_LEDs.jpg

13:23:15  <FUZxxl> H/V light signals: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Einfahrsignal_Friedrichsdorf_Hp2_Zs3v.jpg

13:23:58  <FUZxxl> british semaphor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rail-semaphore-signal-Dave-F.jpg

13:24:34  <Pikka> because the semaphores in OpenTTD with "original" graphics are probably the ones drawn by Michael Blunck for TTDPatch

13:24:42  <FUZxxl> Ah, I see.

13:24:42  <Pikka> TTD doesn't have semaphore signals at all

13:24:47  <FUZxxl> ok.

13:26:00  <FUZxxl> But actually, this is nice. I like H/V signals more than these british things.

13:26:06  <FUZxxl> Where's Blunck from?

13:26:12  <Pikka> Germany

13:26:30  <FUZxxl> okay. That makes sense.

13:27:04  <FUZxxl> I read that there is a way to use the original TTD graphics with OpenTTD. How?

13:28:09  <planetmaker> readme, chapter 4 :P

13:28:23  <FUZxxl> ok.

13:30:35  <FUZxxl> Ah, I see.

13:30:42  <FUZxxl> Didn't realize there is a FAQ.

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13:50:41  <Pikka> doesn't it

13:50:46  <andythenorth> I think so

13:50:48  <andythenorth> but I’m not sure

13:50:57  <Pikka> k

13:51:04  <andythenorth> what do you think?

13:51:17  <Pikka> I think it's turned out nice again

13:51:21  <andythenorth> yeah

13:51:24  <andythenorth> looks that way

13:51:31  * andythenorth can haz IH add-ons already

13:51:39  <Pikka> apparently

13:51:44  <andythenorth> shiny

13:51:52  <Pikka> and from someone who can code them, rather than just posting sprites inna thread

13:51:55  <Pikka> fancy

13:52:04  <andythenorth> indeed

13:52:16  <andythenorth> I think I won at reusable code

13:52:20  <andythenorth> two sets have been forked now

13:52:38  <andythenorth> will I have to do support? :o

13:56:11  <Pikka> yes, it is your duty

13:58:05  <andythenorth> probly easier to support 2 people who can code than answer player requests :P

13:58:12  <FUZxxl> Was there really no music in the original TTD?

13:58:58  <__ln__> where did you get that strange idea?

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14:00:58  <andythenorth> Pikka: I have randomised tank engines.  Should I remove them or not?

14:01:34  <Pikka> randomised how? flipped?

14:02:14  <Pikka> they're fine I think. I just leave things manually flippable these days, but that's not an option if you're going to have weird 3-part vehicles :)

14:02:30  <planetmaker> :)

14:05:06  <FUZxxl> __ln__: I imported the resource files from TTD into OpenTTD as described and still, no music.

14:05:37  <FUZxxl> ah, I'm stupid.

14:06:17  <FUZxxl> I only have the DOS version. That makes sense.

14:06:37  <Pikka> no, it doesn't make sense at all

14:06:50  <Pikka> better make sure you've selected the right base music

14:07:05  <FUZxxl> Pikka: the readme says:

14:07:11  <FUZxxl> he music from the DOS version as well as the original Transport Tycoon does

14:07:13  <FUZxxl> not work.

14:07:24  <Pikka> I see

14:07:43  <Pikka> better go "find" the windows version then. or just mp3s from somewhere :)

14:08:03  <andythenorth> smoke on the flipped engines is in wrong place

14:08:09  <andythenorth> spose I could fix that :P

14:08:25  <FUZxxl> Pikka: Yeah, let me "search"

14:08:59  <Eddi|zuHause> something was odd with the DOS music format. it was midi, but not quite, and nobody ever bothered to reverse engineer it

14:09:10  <FUZxxl> Wow. I didn't know that OpenTTD works on DOS, too.

14:09:43  <Eddi|zuHause> that has nothing to do with that

14:10:16  <FUZxxl> Eddi|zuHause: No, it hasn't.

14:10:38  <FUZxxl> I just read the rest of the readme including compilation options for DOS. I wonder if it works on Minix as well...

14:11:32  <Eddi|zuHause> only very few people ever tried compiling for DOS. i hear getting the right libraries is a pain, and network doesn't work (multiplayer, bananas)

14:12:25  <FUZxxl> ok

14:13:01  <planetmaker> allegedly it compiles

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14:18:50  <FUZxxl> That's something, isn't it?

14:19:51  <planetmaker> some effort, yes :P

14:20:06  <FUZxxl> Does it work on Plan 9?

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14:24:58  <Eddi|zuHause> from outer space?

14:25:21  <planetmaker> yes, it does work in outer space

14:25:27  <FUZxxl> Eddi|zuHause: From Bell Labs.

14:25:46  <Eddi|zuHause> don't they make telephones?

14:25:48  <FUZxxl> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_(Betriebssystem)

14:26:00  <FUZxxl> They also make operating systems, like Unix and Plan 9.

14:26:21  <FUZxxl> And programming languages like C and awk.

14:26:44  <FUZxxl> And they brought us the bastard which is AT&T assembly syntax for x86.

14:27:19  <Eddi|zuHause> what i learned about open source communities is: never underestimate the number of obscure platforms that people have tried things on

14:28:03  <FUZxxl> hehe

14:28:09  <andythenorth> anyone compiled for Risc OS?

14:28:19  <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space

14:29:22  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i ever actually watched this movie. only seen references to it

14:29:24  <peter1138> there was a RISC OS port a long time ago

14:29:37  <peter1138> pre-c++ etc

14:30:48  <planetmaker> maybe we should add some more obscure build nodes to our CF ;)

14:31:05  <peter1138> IOS?

14:31:07  <peter1138> (Cisco)

14:31:37  <planetmaker> currently it's only 12 target platforms for releases

14:31:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose the majority of "ports" out there is just trying to get SDL to compile

14:32:02  <FUZxxl> hehe

14:32:25  <FUZxxl> the Plan 9 graphics API is actually pleasant to use. Porting SDL shouldn't be too difficult.

14:33:17  <planetmaker> yeah... well. iOS and Android seem to work, somewhat. FreeBSD and OpenBSD and Solaris work, too... makes it 17. Add some more from debian's CF...

14:34:18  <Eddi|zuHause> the challenge for iOS is mainly circumventing the apple store, and the challenge for android is getting a useful interface

14:35:12  <planetmaker> another 10 from debian

14:35:29  <planetmaker> the challenge for the interface holds true for any handheld OS really

14:36:31  <FUZxxl> I heard TTD was ported to Android some time ago.

14:36:44  <FUZxxl> How does Sawyer solve the issue of the limited GUI?

14:36:47  <planetmaker> hm, or 18. Depends on whether one looks at wheezy or sid :)

14:37:08  <planetmaker> FUZxxl, for all I heard: badly

14:37:37  <planetmaker> and also it's more a locomotion port

14:38:03  <FUZxxl> ok

14:38:29  <FUZxxl> Am I a whimp for wanting to turn off breakdowns?

14:38:46  <FUZxxl> It annoys me to no end that trains keep fucking up in the middle of my junctions.

14:39:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i have disabled breakdowns for years

14:39:28  <peter1138> i think most people do

14:39:34  <planetmaker> the switch is there for a reason. Everyone how s/he likes

14:39:40  <FUZxxl> ok.

14:40:11  <FUZxxl> also, is there a NewGRF that allows vehicles to auto-replace themselves with newer models?

14:40:13  <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is not that they break down, but that you have no sensible mitigation techniques

14:40:35  <FUZxxl> Eddi|zuHause: true. And breakdowns occur fairly often.

14:40:41  <Eddi|zuHause> there is no such newgrf, as this is a builtin feature

14:40:53  <planetmaker> FUZxxl, you look for autorenew, not autoreplace

14:41:08  <planetmaker> or vice versa. but yes

14:41:21  <michi_cc> FUZxxl: http://wiki.openttd.org/Replace_vehicles

14:41:22  <planetmaker> though not by themselves. It needs you to make that decision

14:41:29  <FUZxxl> Eddi|zuHause: apparently I'm too stupid to do that.

14:42:15  <FUZxxl> Now I understand how this works.

14:42:30  <FUZxxl> On another note, I have the feeling that monorail is a bit weird.

14:42:56  <FUZxxl> It appears were closely to the much more powerful maglev

14:43:08  <FUZxxl> And it's not really upgradeable to it.

14:57:22  <andythenorth> monorail is dubious

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15:01:07  <Pikka> bonorail

15:01:16  <andythenorth> he :)

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15:01:29  <andythenorth> it goes where the streets have no name

15:01:34  <andythenorth> with or without you

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15:02:47  <Pikka> hmm @ forums

15:03:01  <Pikka> "I know more about your religious beliefs than you do because I looked it up on wikipedia"

15:03:37  <planetmaker> popcorn?

15:04:46  <Pikka> not to mention aantono insisting on posting about his problem in every single thread

15:05:21  <andythenorth> I think we have him in right place yet?

15:06:11  <planetmaker> hm, yeah

15:06:56  <andythenorth> transfers and station refits are borked htough

15:06:58  <andythenorth> though *

15:07:10  <andythenorth> I had an example in the game that was on nightly server

15:07:13  <andythenorth> might still be there

15:07:19  <andythenorth> totally screwed up behaviour

15:08:07  <planetmaker> hm... there might be some issue lurking. Many people seem to have issues there

15:09:36  <andythenorth> I found a run of issues 3-4 months ago, fonso fixed them

15:09:42  <andythenorth> seems we didn’t raise FS though

15:10:03  <andythenorth> issues like the reservation taking place, but the refit failing because the vehicles weren’t empty when the refit tried to run

15:10:09  <andythenorth> leaving the cargo marooned

15:13:47  <Eddi|zuHause> what's the deal with this aantono guy? he imposes his "problem" on other people who have totally unrelated problems...

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15:16:44  <andythenorth> he posted first in the Squid and FIRS threads :)

15:16:45  <andythenorth> both

15:17:09  <andythenorth> despite that the train with the ‘bug’ belonged to Pikka

15:17:12  <andythenorth> so I blame pikka

15:18:06  <FUZxxl> Can someone suggest me some Germany themed NewGRFs?

15:19:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i think cargodist with refit orders needs to merge the graphs for different cargos, so each edge of the graph now has the cargos available to refit attached to it, but one combined capacity

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15:20:33  <andythenorth> German RV set

15:20:36  <andythenorth> DB set

15:20:50  <andythenorth> NewShips

15:20:55  <andythenorth> German Stations

15:21:10  <andythenorth> or NewStations (can’t remember which)

15:21:14  <Eddi|zuHause> *hust* https://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/push/LATEST/

15:21:17  <planetmaker> FUZxxl, everything German usually is only badly findable when it comes to OpenTTD terms

15:21:38  <Pikka> sekret german TTD

15:21:55  <FUZxxl> :-(

15:22:21  <andythenorth> german forum?

15:22:54  <planetmaker> you'll have to search the interweb for it. No ingame downloads, no older versions of the NewGRFs (which you might need for older savegames), (very) infrequent updates

15:23:15  <planetmaker> in the German forums you will find links, yes

15:23:16  <FUZxxl> ok...

15:23:44  <planetmaker> Generally 'German' implies a German level of customer support :P

15:23:50  <planetmaker> by all means of cliché

15:24:39  <FUZxxl> hehe

15:24:44  * planetmaker is not necessarily an exception :P

15:25:02  <FUZxxl> I just want my H/V signals...

15:25:34  <planetmaker> change the driving side. And try again a new game

15:25:55  <planetmaker> maybe that helps. maybe not. dunno :)

15:26:12  <FUZxxl> pff...

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15:27:49  <Alberth> hi hi

15:27:51  <planetmaker> o/

15:28:00  <planetmaker> and actually.... good bye till tomorrow :)

15:28:06  <Alberth> that was short :)

15:28:17  <Alberth> have a nice evening

15:28:30  <planetmaker> sorry. But I would not want to miss out the dinner... ;)

15:28:45  <Alberth> :)

15:28:47  <planetmaker> and it's a lovely way to there and I got my camera with me :D

15:29:09  <Alberth> hopefully you're early enough to make a few pictures

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15:38:06  <andythenorth> lo Alberth

15:38:10  <andythenorth> made any more bugs?

15:38:43  <Alberth> is income > 1,000,000 pound in 15 years a bug?

15:39:29  <FUZxxl> o.O zBase is huge.

15:40:30  <Alberth> nah, for a complete base set in full detail :)

15:41:31  <FUZxxl> okay.

15:42:10  <Alberth> try yeti :p

15:42:48  <Alberth> also 140MB for just an industry set  of  10 or so buildings :)

15:43:42  <Pikka> don't forget to get pineapple trains while you're there

15:44:01  <Alberth> good point

15:44:03  <FUZxxl> wasn't yeti the set with the cool animated industried?

15:44:19  <FUZxxl> Pikka: Thank you for drawing the Berlin U-Bahn trains.

15:44:19  <Alberth> that's the yeti I am talking about

15:44:31  <Pikka> did I?

15:45:46  <FUZxxl> zBase looks so crisp.

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15:46:08  <Alberth> way too crisp imho

15:46:12  <Pikka> whoops

15:46:22  <Pikka> what did you do to squidfish, andythenorth?

15:46:45  <andythenorth> ate it

15:46:48  <andythenorth> what did I do?

15:47:04  <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=180759

15:47:08  <andythenorth> Alberth: Iron Horse is easy to make money with

15:47:11  <Pikka> this, apparently

15:47:14  <andythenorth> everything is fast and cheap

15:47:25  <Alberth> ok, then it's not a bug

15:47:32  <andythenorth> Pikka: I did that?  Clever me.

15:47:49  <Pikka> I don't know

15:47:51  <Pikka> did you?

15:48:01  <andythenorth> doesn’t look like that for me

15:48:14  <andythenorth> did you do that? o_O

15:48:18  <Pikka> it's inna squid thread

15:48:19  <Pikka> it's not me

15:48:24  <andythenorth> oic

15:48:29  <andythenorth> changed newgrfs on a running game

15:48:31  <andythenorth> 90% bet

15:50:57  <Eddi|zuHause> that would be my first guess as well

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15:58:32  <andythenorth> looks like he had a version where two rosters were present, and now he has the version where the second one is removed temporarily

15:58:38  <andythenorth> maybe I didn’t bump savegame version

15:59:03  <Eddi|zuHause> min compatible version?

15:59:56  <andythenorth> hmm

16:00:03  <andythenorth> it’s in my RC8

16:00:05  <andythenorth> which is odd

16:00:10  <andythenorth> it wasn’t there last time I looked :P

16:00:26  <Alberth> it sneaked itself in :)

16:00:54  <Eddi|zuHause> committed stuff that wasn't meant to be committed?

16:04:21  <andythenorth> bad branch merge is my first guess

16:04:27  <andythenorth> I don’t understand hg branch merges at all

16:04:37  <andythenorth> hmm that was after rc8 tag

16:07:13  <FUZxxl> Now I compiled the new OpenTTD (instead of using the Debian package) and music won't play anymore...

16:07:35  <andythenorth> and now the FISH build doesn’t work either :P

16:07:41  * andythenorth back to work, fix crap later

16:07:45  <FUZxxl> Do I have to select to use timidity at compile time?

16:08:49  <Eddi|zuHause> FUZxxl: did configure complain about missing libraries?

16:08:54  <FUZxxl> Eddi|zuHause: no.

16:09:13  <FUZxxl> > checking libtimidity... not found

16:09:20  <FUZxxl> well, this happened.

16:09:23  <Eddi|zuHause> FUZxxl: does openttd -h list anything?

16:09:33  <Eddi|zuHause> FUZxxl: no, libtimidity is not the same as timidity

16:09:46  <Eddi|zuHause> timidity is run via extmidi

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16:09:55  <FUZxxl> List of music drivers:

16:09:55  <FUZxxl>            extmidi: External MIDI Driver

16:09:55  <FUZxxl>               null: Null Music Driver

16:09:59  <Eddi|zuHause> libtimidity is some really outdated stuff

16:10:19  <FUZxxl> Do I have to set the music driver to extmidi in my openttd.cfg?

16:10:44  <Eddi|zuHause> it should be detected by default

16:10:50  <LordAro> wrt new ottdcoop paste service, is there an equivalent upload script? (the previous had "lodgeit.py") i always found it very useful... (yes, i could write my own, but effort..)

16:11:47  <Eddi|zuHause> extmidi = timidity <-- it says in my openttd.cfg

16:11:58  <Eddi|zuHause> but i haven't tried music in ages

16:12:19  <FUZxxl> It doesn't on my system

16:12:34  <Eddi|zuHause> did it detect the sound set?

16:12:36  <FUZxxl> under [misc] or under [music]

16:12:38  <FUZxxl> Eddi|zuHause: yes

16:14:12  <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* get a useful soundfont before trying music again...

16:14:18  <Eddi|zuHause> this sounds terrible...

16:16:25  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i don't know what you can do now. there's a way to specify the command that extmidi uses on the command line

16:16:34  <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't remember the syntax

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16:38:27  <frosch123> hola

16:38:35  <andythenorth> lo frosch123

16:39:22  <Alberth> hi hi

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17:10:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r26811 /trunk/src (6 files in 4 dirs) (2014-09-11 17:10:38 UTC)

17:10:46  <DorpsGek> -Fix[FS#6108]: Fixed spelling error in widget name.

17:18:43  <LordAro> http://sayakb.github.io/sticky-notes/pages/api/ would "parameters" be "<url>?data=text&language=text" or "<url>" with the POST data set as the json? it seems to me to be the latter, but i can't get it to work...

17:19:17  <frosch123> we already have a script to upload stuff

17:19:47  <LordAro> ...of course you do

17:19:50  <LordAro> can i has?

17:20:19  <frosch123> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/all?/all <- it has been posted like 3 times :p

17:21:35  <LordAro> well then

17:21:37  <LordAro> thanks :)

17:21:54  <frosch123> sorry for not answering your question btw :p

17:22:03  <LordAro> :p

17:22:37  <LordAro> purely out of interest, any idea where i was going wrong? https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pk6vrhpz5

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17:27:24  <frosch123> the guys at #freerct might know :)

17:28:57  <LordAro> funny that :p

17:29:02  <DanMacK> hey all

17:29:06  <LordAro> also, that script isn't working ;)

17:29:30  <LordAro> returns the value correctly, but then complains - the grep statement isn't working correctly

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17:31:28  <frosch123> he is searching for a cat or something

17:31:41  <DanMacK> ahhh

17:45:38  <Eddi|zuHause> you don't find a cat. a cat finds you

17:46:40  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26812 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2014-09-11 17:46:29 UTC)

17:46:41  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

17:46:42  <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 9 changes by telanus

17:46:43  <DorpsGek> polish - 30 changes by McZapkie

17:46:44  <DorpsGek> slovak - 4 changes by Milsa

17:46:45  <DorpsGek> slovenian - 1 changes by ntadej

17:46:46  <DorpsGek> spanish - 4 changes by SilverSurferZzZ

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17:48:23  <Wolf01> hi

17:50:42  <Alberth> hi

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18:33:51  <frosch123> LordAro: did you finish your script? :p

18:33:58  <LordAro> kinda

18:34:02  <LordAro> i got it working, at least

18:34:26  <frosch123> i need a new one, the other one does not work :p

18:35:17  <LordAro> told you ;)

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18:36:05  <LordAro> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/p1vlcxaec - filled with debug statements and badly printed output, but it works :)

18:36:11  <LordAro> feel free to improve it ;)

18:36:17  <LordAro> stdin only as yet

18:38:11  <frosch123> thanks :)

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18:40:08  <andythenorth> also where is cat?

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19:05:47  <andythenorth> so no more Iron Horse bugs?

19:05:49  <andythenorth> o_O

19:06:42  <andythenorth> so umm

19:06:46  <andythenorth> random_switch

19:06:50  <andythenorth> is per vehicle

19:07:02  <andythenorth> oops

19:07:36  * andythenorth makes a fix

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19:15:28  <andythenorth> fun times, this 3-part vehicle game

19:17:09  <andythenorth> solved that issue :P

19:18:38  <andythenorth> so does anything trigger re-randomising the vehicle random bits?

19:18:41  <andythenorth> or can I trust them?

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19:35:19  <Wolf01> I forgot how painfully was to start a new game with trains using ukrs and opengfx+ industries

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20:39:34  <frosch123> night

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20:55:46  <andythenorth> bye

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