IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-08-12
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04:52:25 <iCookRice> anyone care to do some teaching?
04:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone care to do some metaquestions?
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06:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, for certain values of "new"
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09:21:59 <Wolf01> shhh half of the italian news sites is unreachable today
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10:40:17 <keoz> planetmaker: is there some specific correct way to initialise the repo on openttdcoop ?
10:40:42 <keoz> Was thinking just to make a hg clone local_repo distant_repo, but is this good ?
10:59:07 <planetmaker> you might just do that, yes. I'd go the other way, though: clone the distant (empty) one and merge that with your local. And then push back
11:00:27 <keoz> Ok, i'll do that, then. But how is it that I don't see any .hg on the repo ?
11:05:59 <keoz> That was my assumption :p
11:06:45 <keoz> still, normal "." hidden files are shown on the other repo's, hence ...
11:20:08 <planetmaker> keoz, where do you expect to see the .hg ?
11:20:28 <planetmaker> when you work with mercurial, it will never show you a .hg dir... that's where it stores its data in
11:23:50 <keoz> Yes. I was thinking as the distant repository as an exact equivalent of the working dir, which is not.
11:26:24 <keoz> Anyway. Everything works now. :)
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11:38:29 <planetmaker> keoz, there's a difference between the 'working dir' and the 'repository'
11:38:38 <planetmaker> the repository is everything in the .hg dir
11:38:51 <planetmaker> the working dir is whatever revision you checked out
11:46:21 <keoz> That was already clear. But I thought that on the server - as locally - there was the equivalent of working dir + its .hg
11:49:47 <planetmaker> no, the server has a bare repository. It has no need for a checkout
11:51:26 <planetmaker> (or with the repo-view in redmine, too)
11:56:26 <keoz> that also answers the question I had in mind before, to know how is performed the "hg update" on the server after pushing. There's just no need of it.
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14:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause> is it funny or sad that the exact thing happened that i predicted 3 years ago?
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14:54:02 <Pikka> should make train clicker, make a fortune
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15:18:27 <Wolf01> __ln__ what. have. you. done.
15:20:26 <planetmaker> yeah, ugly link ;)
15:20:37 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, indeed, I find that mightily amusing :)
15:21:33 <planetmaker> one cannot assume that people are interested in technical details when all they want to do is just play the game
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15:29:03 <Wolf01> it would be really cool if it really helps research, something like the seti@home
15:29:40 <Alberth> opinions differ on whether that counts as research :[
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15:30:45 <Alberth> I ran climateprediction jobs for some time, but the jobs aren't compatible with my current system
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15:31:56 <Wolf01> then we should blame you if now they can't predict the climate correctly
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15:52:13 <Alberth> together with the zillion other volunteers :p
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16:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Conspiracy Theory of the Day (tm): russia is behind the destabilization in iraq, to distract from ukraine
16:30:29 <keoz> Contra: it's not in their interest to support groups who are weakening Assad's power in Syria.
16:30:36 <Rubidium> wasn't Russia the only one against some resolution about Syria in the security council
16:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause> keoz: a good conspiracy theory is not defied by logic :p
16:38:51 <frosch123> what did eddi predict 3 years ago?
16:39:12 <LordAro> the world would end Dec 2012?
16:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: or maybe Hex 2012?
16:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody knows the world ends in 2038
16:41:48 <Alberth> nah, only 32 bit systems will crash
16:42:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: but in 2038 those will be the "well, this always just worked and we didn't upgrade, and nobody knows anymore what it does" kind of computers
16:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: same way that in the 1980s nobody was really concerned about storing years in 2 digits
16:44:24 <Alberth> yeah, and 2k didn't cause enough damage to learn from, I guess
16:44:55 <Alberth> although a lot of damage was done beforehand, in getting rid of the problem by reverse engineering and what not
16:45:36 <LordAro> well all the banking industry's remaining COBOL programs will break, i'd think :p
16:46:14 <Eddi|zuHause> one would assume that COBOL programs are older than the unix epoch
16:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> if i was to expect a class of programs to NOT be affected by 2038, then it would be COBOL programs
16:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> (but those would be the primary kind affected by y2k)
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16:48:13 <peter1138> Yeah, no 32 bit integers containing seconds, but lots of 2 character years...
16:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> cobol is naturally very BCD-y, and not affected by 32bit limits
16:48:42 <peter1138> Remember when CPUs had BCD modes?
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16:49:07 <peter1138> Mind you, I guess if x86 ever did, then many still do :)
16:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i did come across BCD recently in Siemens PLCs, though
16:56:46 <frosch123> question is though, is there some common bit trickery that makes use of them
16:56:58 <frosch123> or are they broken on various cpu models with noone noticing
16:58:01 <peter1138> Or, indeed, both :)
17:02:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the funny thing is, 64-bit unix epoch likely lasts beyond the end of the universe :p
17:03:28 <Alberth> long enough for me :)
17:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "German court decides: Dashcams are illegal, if they are used to pass the material on to 3rd parties like the police or youtube"
17:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose it follows the same reasoning of surveillance cameras being illegal if they point to public areas
17:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you can film people who enter your door, but not people who pass by your door on the pavement
17:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and with dashcams you by definition film people that just pass by on public roads
17:29:13 <Eddi|zuHause> which infringes on their right of passing by somewhere without being filmed
17:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> this particular court case is about a lawyer who drives around an sues people for traffic violations
17:32:27 <peter1138> I don't see how an individual can sue someone for traffic violations... that's a state issue.
17:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause> sue is probably the wrong word
17:33:31 <peter1138> Report to the authorities?
17:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. report to the police, with the footage
17:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and the court now decided that taking the footage with the explicit intent to give it to the police is illegal
17:35:30 <Yotson> the name of that lawyer is in public documents?
17:36:24 <peter1138> So, let's say someone is breaking into a neighbour's house... is recording that for evidence also illegal?
17:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: if you happen to have a camera in hand and record it live, probably not. but it is if you point your surveillance camera on your neighbours door in general
17:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Yotson: no idea, the newspaper doesn't say the name
17:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> only gender, occupation and general area
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17:39:59 <Prof_Frink> I would think in that case you would be able to get (retrospective) consent to the recording.
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17:45:12 <peter1138> Hmm, already not allowed in Austria apparently.
17:45:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26728 trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt (2014-08-12 17:45:22 UTC)
17:45:29 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:30 <DorpsGek> croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
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18:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "Dascams are forbidden in Austria, Belgium, Luxemburg and Portugal, but allowed in the Netherlands, Denmark, France, Great Britain, Spain, Italy, Malta, Norway, Serbia and Bosnia-Herzegowina"
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