IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-05-29
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05:00:14 <supermop> just spent a couple hours tried to cut a little tram from a tiny block of pine using only a dovetail saw
05:00:22 <supermop> results were mixed at best
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08:43:41 <Alberth> unleashing yetis to the masses! :)
08:44:04 <V453000> fishing for VALUABLE OPINIONS (tm)andythenorth
08:45:02 <Alberth> "will it do stockpiling?" :p
08:47:11 <V453000> the BAD FEATURE you mean? :P
08:47:37 <V453000> so far I imagine instant production... processing for a while is not entirely out of the question I admit
08:47:45 <V453000> FIRS does something in between doesnt it
08:48:29 <Alberth> not sure, I haven't played with firs for a long time
08:48:42 <Alberth> maybe I should play one of the smaller economies one day
08:48:46 <Supercheese> FIRS processes instantly
08:48:50 <V453000> I haven't played with firs for a long time <- no need to write "with firs" :P
08:49:06 <Supercheese> it "stockpiles" supplies which merely increase production rates
08:49:28 <Supercheese> well, I guess that's sort of "in between"
08:49:37 <Supercheese> from a certain point of view
08:49:47 <Alberth> stockpiling in itself is not so bad, the idea of ramping up production is quite nice
08:49:57 <Alberth> the big pain is in the hard upper limit
08:50:47 <Alberth> and ecs does very precise ratios, I think, but balancing cargo flow is very hard
08:51:39 <Alberth> please use a nick that is more uniq supercheese :p
08:53:10 <V453000> ECS is like perfect example of bad feature
09:00:16 <Alberth> imo it should be more forgiving in the ratios, and don't have hard limits. On the other hand, if you like a though challenge ecs gives you a lot of room for that :)
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09:07:57 <V453000> I still think collecting any ratio of any cargo is just wrong, industries simply do produce differently, and even if just slightly, the difference is massive in the long term
09:08:32 <V453000> so since the player doesnt have good tools to control it, the challenge gets to be rather tedious and stupid :P not mentioning trivial
09:15:09 <Alberth> you are also more of a sandbox player :)
09:16:23 <V453000> no I just use most of the game features
09:58:25 <supermop> ah so you've launched it, V453000?
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10:04:47 <TGYoshi> Hey guys, I always wondered if there's a way to more quickly schedule "simple" routes (and create those trains), such as go to station <x>, load any, go to the single central unload station etc
10:04:56 <TGYoshi> it's quite tedious to keep doing it :p
10:08:41 <planetmaker> the most simple way is goto A, goto B. that's it
10:08:52 <planetmaker> if A supplies the cargo and B accepts it, that's all it needs
10:09:09 <planetmaker> you might use ctrl+click to order full-load orders
10:09:28 <TGYoshi> well, connecting 20 suppliers to one acceptor is boring :D
10:09:37 <TGYoshi> oh, never knew that, gonna use that, thanks :P
10:09:58 <Alberth> 20 trains same A and B ?
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10:10:50 <Alberth> I often clone a train without sharing orders, and then change A
10:10:52 <planetmaker> if they have the same A and B, then just clone the trains with shared orders
10:11:21 <Alberth> not sure if it is actually simpler than just building a new train :)
10:11:52 <TGYoshi> it feels slow to do that somehow, i guess it only takes 10 seconds
10:12:17 <TGYoshi> <delete A> <add A> forget to skip...
10:12:39 <TGYoshi> guess i'll have to deal with it, thanks ^_^
10:12:49 <Alberth> I guess it's simpler if you put A at the bottom
10:12:54 <Alberth> never tried that though
10:13:26 <TGYoshi> seems like A gets put at the top if you delete the old A first tho
10:13:53 <Alberth> you can also build a train with just B as order, and clone that :p
10:14:34 <TGYoshi> not even a terrible idea XD
10:14:49 <Alberth> never tried that either
10:15:00 <TGYoshi> I can imagine the "Train x has no orders" coming up every few seconds
10:15:26 <planetmaker> "Train x has too few orders" ;)
10:15:43 <Alberth> yesterday I ctrl-cloned trains before giving them orders by accident. The orders do get shared even then, I found
10:16:26 <TGYoshi> I rarely have cases where I have multiple trains going from/to the same location tho
10:17:02 <Alberth> you always have 1 train running between A and B?
10:17:18 <Alberth> I use at least 2 always
10:17:33 <Alberth> but perhaps with pax it's different
10:17:58 <Alberth> distance is usually 50% loading of the second train, at an industry
10:18:23 <Alberth> a hundred tiles or so
10:18:42 <Alberth> (I play with low density industries)
10:19:04 <TGYoshi> guess I should try it too, never really thought of it
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11:30:53 <frosch123> orudge: while the certificate for tt-forums has been renewed, tt-wiki and newgrfspecs still have the old one
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11:34:50 <supermop> i cant remember the last time i saw owen chat in this channel
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11:35:32 <DorpsGek> V453000: orudge was last seen in #openttd 18 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <orudge> frosch123: well, there's GCC 4.8, and Paul Smedley, the chap who has been doing all kinds of ports to OS/2, seems to have fixed whatever was broken - shall try to get a patch from him
11:36:20 <supermop> i hope he was talking about os/2 warp
12:09:15 <Rubidium> we can already travel at warp speeds, just not very high warp speeds ;)
12:13:56 <Rubidium> e.g. warp factor 0.06 (TOS) has been reached by human made craft ;)
12:14:38 <Rubidium> I could even manage warp factor 0.002 myself fairly easily
12:15:15 <planetmaker> 0.002? Relative to what?
12:16:24 <Rubidium> it's less than 9 km/h. I can manage that fairly easily
12:16:34 <planetmaker> hm... 2 per-mille of light speed? Sorry, Rubidium, I doubt that :)
12:17:07 <planetmaker> @calc 300000000 * 0.002 * 3.6
12:17:07 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2160000
12:17:14 <planetmaker> impressive speed in km/h ;)
12:17:29 <Rubidium> that's the thing... warp speed uses the constant c, but with a factor: speed = w**3*c
12:18:00 <planetmaker> lol, not a linear factor?
12:18:05 <Rubidium> @calc 0.002**3*299792458
12:18:05 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 2.398339664
12:19:23 <LordAro> Rubidium: you act as if warp speed is used consistently anyway ;)
12:19:31 <Rubidium> after TOS the warp speed was changed though... to w**(10/3)*c up to warp 9, then some scaling so that warp 10 = infinity
12:19:57 <Pikka> full steam ahead, cap'n bob!
12:21:54 <Rubidium> @calc 0.002**3*299792458
12:21:54 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 2.398339664
12:22:01 <Rubidium> @calc 0.002**(10/3)*299792458
12:22:01 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 0.302171862747
12:22:55 <Rubidium> damn... that's even slower in TNG and after
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18:25:29 <LordAro> you reinvented it in a recent commit
18:27:19 <Alberth> no, I didn't, I think. I convert a hexx digit, rather than test it
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18:34:22 <Xaroth|Work> LordAro: liked the update btw
18:42:25 <Xaroth|Work> the latest update on freerct, andythenorth
19:20:48 <andythenorth> anyone want to do UI crap?
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19:43:20 * andythenorth wonders what cdist does with multiple valid routes between nodes
19:47:20 <Alberth> splitting cargo over them afaik
19:47:47 <Alberth> in particular when you have more cargo to transport than capacity with one link
19:47:56 <Alberth> there is even a control for it, iirc
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20:02:15 <Eddi|zuHause> mind you that it'll go horribly wrong once all of the links are above capacity
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20:11:33 <andythenorth> what’s the penalty on a 6.2L train in a 6L station?
20:11:42 <andythenorth> is it proportional to over-length?
20:15:39 <frosch123> time = normal_time * 2 * (1 + overhang/8)
20:17:02 <frosch123> so any epsilon overhang doubles the time, then it grows lineary
20:21:04 <andythenorth> so passengers stacking up in large cities
20:21:09 <andythenorth> seems insolvable
20:21:16 <andythenorth> is it just like tetris?
20:21:23 <andythenorth> the more you play, the faster the blocks arrive
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20:24:54 <andythenorth> is there a trivial way to see how many pax a town building generates?
20:28:43 <frosch123> it's proportional to population
20:28:48 <frosch123> displayed in tile info
20:31:03 <frosch123> andythenorth: make a tram/bus set with proper stuffed capacities: 10 times more than other sets, but also 10 times faster cargo decay
20:31:19 <andythenorth> I made metro trains already :P
20:34:30 <NGC982> Has any thought been give to having different brake-downs if more trains are connected to the same set?
20:36:51 <andythenorth> yes there used to be a patch for it
20:37:04 <andythenorth> turn off breakdowns? :x
20:38:03 <andythenorth> can someone make a GS for it?
20:44:05 <frosch123> NGC982: there has been some patch which adds different types of breakdowns
20:44:09 <frosch123> some stop the whole train
20:44:23 <frosch123> some are fixed at next station
20:46:03 <frosch123> i.e. the "stop whole train" gets worse when adding more engines, and the "reduce power" becomes less worse with more engines
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21:52:08 <Aristide> Lololololololol, create a game « ISP Tycoon » can be lol
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23:25:38 <Eddi|zuHause> so... the point of regret definitely passed by now...
23:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i always find it very hard to imagine that people can be so terribly bad at following simple explanations
23:28:14 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: neko? yeah, i wonder that too sometimes
23:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't find a python3-imaging or python3-pillow, only a python-pillow which is apparently for 2.7
23:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i use opensuse 13.1
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