IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-12-04
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01:52:27 <checkbook> hey, is there a way to do a train order like: return to station IF full?
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02:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause> checkbook: yes. conditional orders can check for "is full"
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11:33:59 <NGC3982> I guess it's time i start using conditional order jumps.
11:34:17 <NGC3982> It has been a couple of years since.
11:35:05 <NGC3982> __ln__: Should i use "it's been", or "it has been"?
11:35:43 <__ln__> Both are correct and mean the same.
11:36:07 <NGC3982> I know, let me rephrase.
11:36:57 <NGC3982> Should i only use one of them, and does it sound weird mixing it between sentences?
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11:37:08 <NGC3982> Hey, calm the poop down.
11:40:34 <__ln__> NGC3982: Well, contractions do not belong to academic or otherwise very formal text. Other than that, I don't see a problem.
11:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't mix them
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12:08:13 <__ln__> Applies to other contractions too, in the same text.
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13:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause> man civ4 is diplomatically difficult if you have a different religion than the rest of your continent...
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14:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but i can't even change my religion to theirs, because i have no city which has it
14:14:16 <peter1138> Oh, you don't "learn" religion in that version?
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14:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the first one to research a certain tech starts the religion, then it spreads from city to city along trade routes
14:22:24 <Eddi|zuHause> until every city has one religion, then it can only spread through missionaries
14:23:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can pick any religion as state religion that you have in at least one city
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15:25:47 <peter1138> __ln__, got them all right, though I had to use a calculator for the last one :S
16:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a "temperate" style now :)
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16:43:48 <checkbook> i LOVE how the openttd forum looks
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17:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> oh the joy when you lose your general in a 95% battle...
17:54:49 * Pinkbeast almost always settles generals
17:54:57 <MNIM> playing freeciv, but that doesn't have generals.
17:55:36 <Pinkbeast> I was talking to JTN about this, who does freeciv development - I'd love to see "Civ 4 with hexes" in freeciv
17:59:23 <MNIM> playing a 2000x4000 or so map gets boring after a while.
17:59:36 <MNIM> or, more accurately, rather longwinded.
18:00:31 <Pinkbeast> OTOH a tiny x tiny map does risk the "well, I've hooked everything up in 1940, what now" problem :-/
18:01:40 <planetmaker> Pinkbeast, there's always the option of maps with intermediate sizes ;)
18:01:46 <MNIM> and Im already at war with most of the planet for trying to colonize space
18:02:31 <MNIM> that's one really, really annoying thing about trying to win with diplomacy, though.
18:03:17 <MNIM> AIs that weren't on your starting team still protest for my unilateral domination when you're allied to them.
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18:31:06 <NGC3982> It's Saturday night, I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape.
18:31:23 <NGC3982> I'm about to try that script thingy out
18:31:30 <Kjetil> Actually it's wedensday
18:31:33 <NGC3982> That makes my server auto-restart onto the same save game.
18:31:48 <Alberth> yeah, I was wondering about the day too :)
18:31:51 <NGC3982> That sounds like a treat.
18:32:00 <Alberth> maybe having an early saturday? :)
18:32:31 <NGC3982> Ouch. Right in the veteran.
18:33:56 <NGC3982> Is restarting a game noted as an "In-game" action?
18:41:56 <NGC3982> I'm trying to find a good way to autostart a dedicated server on <year> with forced save- and config file.
18:42:33 <NGC3982> restart_game_year only restarts prior to openttd.cfg, wich is not the used config file.
18:42:47 <NGC3982> Also, i can't seem to find the right way to use this as a game script.
18:42:55 <NGC3982> Or, i do not understand it properly.
18:43:06 <Taede> loading a specific savegame upon reaching year xxxx?
18:43:24 <NGC3982> Yes, with a specific config file.
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18:44:13 <Taede> what are you using from the config file that is not saved, and will change between games?
18:44:49 <NGC3982> The networking stuff.
18:44:54 <NGC3982> Port, server name and passwords.
18:45:15 <Taede> dont those stay the same though?
18:45:25 <Taede> or are you changing the port for every game
18:45:34 <NGC3982> No, they don't. I'm running several servers on the same server.
18:45:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26143 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-12-04 18:45:26 UTC)
18:45:38 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:39 <DorpsGek> danish - 15 changes by Hellwing
18:45:40 <DorpsGek> english_AU - 8 changes by mrtux
18:45:41 <DorpsGek> korean - 2 changes by telk5093
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18:46:06 <NGC3982> By using 'openttd -D -c <file> -g <config>', launched in it's own screen.
18:46:17 <Taede> ah, but each running instance of openttd (one per server) will retain the same ones
18:46:29 <NGC3982> The same what? Config file?
18:46:30 <Taede> might be time to think of adminport
18:47:10 <NGC3982> Well, yeah. I noticed it restarts the game by randomizing a new game, using openttd.cfg.
18:48:16 <Taede> by having a 3rd party program connect to each server on its admin-port, they can control the server with more control
18:48:33 <Taede> soap is an example, but is probably overkill if you don't need an irc-bridge
18:48:58 <NGC3982> I do think i know what you mean by IRC bridge
18:49:04 <Taede> though it could incorporate the functionality you are looking for
18:49:04 <NGC3982> And i guess that would be nice.
18:49:17 <NGC3982> But yes, i do not really need -more- than this.
18:51:00 <NGC3982> I get the concept of code, but anything beyond hello_world is asking for too much.
18:52:07 <NGC3982> Thanks for the "Bro, do you even lift" moment, also.
18:54:49 <NGC3982> I guess i could solve this by creating the entire config file from scratch (instead of using savegame), and then use reload_cfg
18:55:06 <NGC3982> Including NewGRFs, difficulty and network settings
18:55:19 <NGC3982> Wich i guess it's allright.
18:55:47 <NGC3982> Mr. Dihedral apparently knew about this hoodoo.
18:56:55 <NGC3982> Although, this leads me to another thing.
18:57:28 <NGC3982> If i start a generated game in Windows and save the game - Can i also save the config file that is created for that save game (excluding the save file, of course)?
18:57:45 <NGC3982> Since that would save me having to edit an entire config for every new server.
18:58:27 <Taede> close openttd down (the one you used for generating the game)
18:58:35 <Taede> then copy the relevant sections over into a new copy
18:59:06 <Taede> newgrf/mapgeneration related sections most importantly
19:08:51 <NGC3982> Hm. Although, it did not seem to find the added NewGRFs on start.
19:09:15 * NGC3982 thinks his folders are not setup correctly.
19:15:07 <NGC3982> I wonder if the restart function calls on reload_cfg.
19:17:53 <NGC3982> Is the [newgrf] part case sensitive?
19:18:07 <NGC3982> Since the Windows version downloaded everything with correct uppercase letters
19:19:03 <Alberth> if it contains paths or filenames, it's likely to be case sensitive for case sensitive file systems
19:20:23 <Taede> the [newgrf] section is all lowercase for me (win7)
19:20:37 <Taede> while the files have capital letters in them
19:21:02 <NGC3982> Yes, i was looking at the folders.
19:21:08 <NGC3982> I think i have done something strange.
19:21:33 <Taede> are you resterting from within the game? or shutting down and then starting it up again?
19:21:38 <NGC3982> I guess i need to re-download the NewGRF's on Windows, and then transfer them again. The config in Windows should correspond to the same config used in Linux, right?
19:22:22 <NGC3982> Taede: I started a Windows game, shut it down and saved the config as specific in my Linux system. Alternated it a bit and runned it with -D and -c.
19:23:00 <NGC3982> I guess i messed up the paths somewhere in the middle.
19:26:16 <Taede> also make sure the linux server has the exact same versions of each newgrf
19:26:35 <NGC3982> Yes, i removed everything and synced the content folders.
19:28:38 <NGC3982> Hm, still not working.
19:32:14 <NGC3982> Every time i start OpenTTD dedicated and it cannot find the NewGRF files, it removes them from the file.
19:32:25 <NGC3982> And that was not was i had in mind.
19:33:18 * NGC3982 get's tired of this and extracts all the files everywhere.
19:38:56 <NGC3982> Yes, that was not fruitful. It's case sensitive and \ needs to be /.
19:39:02 <NGC3982> That is a problem while doing this
19:39:06 <NGC3982> But i guess i'll manage.
19:45:20 <Alberth> make it read-only, or copy it from another place just before running openttd
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19:51:12 <NGC3982> Yes, it worked itself out
19:51:24 <NGC3982> upName came in handy.
20:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> <MNIM> playing freeciv, but that doesn't have generals. <-- i tried playing freeciv, but i can't stand the civ2 mechanics anymore
20:05:12 <LordAro> i like civ2, but i couldn't stand freeciv
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20:49:20 <kizzyboi> Maybe someone here can answer a question i have about the android port
20:50:31 <glx> but we are not blamable for it :)
20:50:38 <MNIM> ask or ask not. there is no try.
20:52:03 <MNIM> there is no such thing as stupid questions, but there sure of hell exist a lot of stupid people. :d
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21:41:46 <frosch123> yay, the spam in my ottd mail box is way better than in my private one
21:42:08 <frosch123> got 5 MB catalogue of a chinese truck manufacturer
21:42:16 <frosch123> i did not open it, but it says so
21:42:35 <frosch123> yeah, 5MB via mail, quite a big virus :p
21:43:36 <frosch123> see, to my private email i always get health ensurance stuff
21:44:04 <frosch123> but to ottd i get turkish fire sprinkler systems and now trucks
21:44:26 <glx> oh I remember the fire sprinkler one
21:45:21 <glx> and I have the chinese truck one too
21:45:43 <planetmaker> oh, I have that truck ad, too ;)
21:45:55 <frosch123> well, i am not sure whether a 5 mb mail fits the usual spam criterions
21:46:01 <frosch123> it's not exactly a mass mail :p
21:46:15 <planetmaker> they can also provide training courses on truck repair :P
21:47:07 <frosch123> yeah, don't tell me you get that kind of spam to your private mail :)
21:47:30 <planetmaker> not that I can recall, indeed
21:47:44 <planetmaker> But then... I can't say that I really look at spam usually :)
21:48:28 <Alberth> mine are often filled with Chinese characters :p
21:48:46 <planetmaker> yeah. That's an instant delete :)
21:48:57 <LordAro> my mail servers been detecting a lot of (actual) virus messages lately
21:48:59 <frosch123> no, never got a really chinese mail
21:49:14 <frosch123> the only one i really could not read as that turkish sprinkler system
21:49:50 <planetmaker> half of my trash is chinese stuff
21:50:03 <planetmaker> on the openttd address
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