IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-11-01
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11:34:08 <peter1138> var o = new MyClass(string identifier); vs var o = MyClass.Get(string identifier); ...
11:36:08 <Xaroth|Work> peter1138: latter if MyClass' other data is loaded with the use of identifier
11:36:26 <Xaroth|Work> i.e. database lookups etc
11:40:33 <peter1138> Xaroth|Work, yes, exactly that.
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11:41:15 <Xaroth|Work> former would be wheny ou create an item, or add it to the db
11:41:38 <Xaroth|Work> (Model.objects.get(<query>) vs Model(<data>).save()
11:41:51 <Xaroth|Work> for the django-versed
11:45:06 <roboboy> planetmaker, there was a post above me asking where openttd.cfg was
12:08:42 <planetmaker> roboboy, but as-is, the posting makes little sense and qualifies as grave-dig ;-)
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12:14:40 <LordAro> roboboy: you should give yourself a warning ;P
12:15:16 <LordAro> wait, i think i've misunderstood. never mind :L
12:15:24 <roboboy> well as I said, when I clicked send it was valid
12:16:49 <roboboy> does anyone know a good place for free sound effects (preferably scifi computer sfx)
12:19:13 <V453000> I heard if you record sounds at the toilet it generally has good results
12:21:54 <roboboy> I already looked at freesound.org
12:30:41 <roboboy> and I just found one there
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12:52:04 <planetmaker> roboboy, you might want to look through OpenSFX credits
12:52:32 <roboboy> I found something that is acceptable for what I want
12:52:46 <roboboy> but thank you for the advice
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14:18:04 <Rubidium> bonjour Belugas et al.
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14:21:14 <Rubidium> really? A jewel? Luckily I'm not named in such a manner, like Jewel Staite ;)
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14:24:24 <Rubidium> having said that, the people called Jewel I can think of right now (Staite & Kilcher) are pretty pretty
14:24:42 <Xaroth|Work> maybe he was referring to Bijou Phillips ?
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14:38:11 <signal_failure> anyone around?
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14:39:15 <signal_failure> :) I just started a new game and have two towns with the same name but one has population zero... bug?
14:40:01 <Xaroth|Work> population 0 isn't per se a bug
14:40:04 <LordAro> any newgrfs/gamescripts?
14:40:14 <Xaroth|Work> just means it didn't get to place any roads
14:40:27 <LordAro> a screenshot/savegame would probably be helpful
14:40:29 <signal_failure> just the uk rail thingy
14:40:39 <Xaroth|Work> so find it, allow for roads to be placed (or place a piece of road), then fund some buildings.
14:40:48 <signal_failure> I have shots :) and the cleanly generated save game
14:40:48 <peter1138> hmm, now, shall I change this code or just leave it...
14:41:03 <Xaroth|Work> AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
14:41:20 <signal_failure> where to upload them, to the forum?
14:42:46 <signal_failure> I dont have an account there.... what about the savegame?
14:43:00 <peter1138> You don't need an account there.
14:43:11 <Xaroth|Work> try the screenshots first
14:43:25 <Xaroth|Work> and what peter1138 said, you don't need an account there
14:43:47 <signal_failure> oh, no account=good., I've been collecting account since about 1990 lol
14:44:30 * peter1138 ponders this commit message: "Refactor new T() to T.Get() (Xaroth|Work said so)"
14:45:10 <Xaroth|Work> signal_failure: try a bigger screenshot
14:45:23 <LordAro> somewhat harsh cropping ;)
14:45:30 <Xaroth|Work> and the small town isn't a bug
14:45:35 <Xaroth|Work> it just didn't have any space to build houses
14:45:36 <LordAro> but, i think you just got unlucky with the town
14:45:38 <Xaroth|Work> due to.. fountains...
14:45:43 <peter1138> Xaroth|Work, pretty much only one person ever looks at this log ;(
14:45:46 <LordAro> the duplicate town name is interesting though
14:46:01 <LordAro> signal_failure: what size map is it?
14:46:15 <signal_failure> LordAro: which is why I figured serious croppage was in order :)
14:46:17 <Xaroth|Work> peter1138: that's why I introduced gitlab for our new project.. so people are more aware of what others do
14:46:20 <Xaroth|Work> (and for CI \o/ )
14:46:27 <signal_failure> 128x128 I think , 1 sec
14:46:41 <peter1138> Xaroth|Work, oh it's all available for people to look at. They just don't care.
14:47:24 <signal_failure> yes 128 square
14:47:36 <Xaroth|Work> I explicitely told the project teams 'managers' that if they don't at least check activity on a regular basis, I will revoke their vpn access.
14:47:54 <Xaroth|Work> that way I don't have to check activity :D
14:48:20 <LordAro> signal_failure: odd. town names should be sufficiently random in that you will only very rarely get a clash
14:48:27 <LordAro> perhaps you just got unlucky :)
14:48:33 <LordAro> i wouldn't worry about it too much ;)
14:49:04 <signal_failure> Hehe, I'm not worried but if it was me, I'd want to fix it
14:51:25 <signal_failure> Oh, it would just annoy me. I guess duplicates are ok after all there are enough duplicated town names in the real world
14:51:53 <LordAro> precisely. realism :D
14:52:34 <planetmaker> signal_failure, screenshots taken from ingame by means of ctrl+s, unedited are MUCH more helpful
14:53:24 <planetmaker> and you can have duplicate town names: One automatically named, one manually
14:53:25 <signal_failure> planetmaker: ok, it was only to prove the two names are the same
14:53:44 <signal_failure> ok ok stop beating me :)
14:54:44 <planetmaker> so, you named one of them manually (or another player or the map creator)?
14:55:26 <signal_failure> they were automatically generated that way. I didnt know you could even rename towns
14:56:44 <planetmaker> any townname newgrfs in use?
14:57:05 <planetmaker> if they're buggy, they might easily provide you with 2000 totally identically town names ;-)
14:57:10 <signal_failure> nope, as I said just the uk rail doodah
14:57:24 <signal_failure> let me check that, 1 sec
14:57:26 <planetmaker> got an un-edited screenshot for me?
14:57:43 <planetmaker> taken from ingame by means of its screenshot facility?
14:57:49 <signal_failure> I can take one now if you like I've done nothing to the map
14:58:02 <signal_failure> started it, paused it for a look around
14:58:15 <planetmaker> just needs be unspoiled to contain the meta-data I actually want to look at ;-)
14:58:19 <signal_failure> save it and grabbed the little screenies in case it warranted a bug report
14:58:36 <signal_failure> to imgur again?
14:58:51 <planetmaker> whatever. I use dropbox or similar
14:59:12 <signal_failure> painful on this tiny old laptop, bear with me
14:59:14 <planetmaker> let's hope the imgur doesn't "optimize" images ;-)
14:59:45 <LordAro> hmm, it might, actually
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15:04:11 <signal_failure> hmmm 640x480 = no detail on imgur.... let me up the res
15:04:57 <planetmaker> screenshot size actually doesn't matter much :-)
15:07:05 <planetmaker> right... you use openttd 1.1.4 which is about two years old :-)
15:07:07 <signal_failure> lol just realise both those towns are off that image. doh..
15:07:25 <signal_failure> I just got it from mint 13 repo
15:07:52 <TinoDidriksen> Mint 13 is also old. Mint is at version 15.
15:08:03 <signal_failure> lts version is 13 til 2017
15:08:21 <signal_failure> thats LTS not lts lol
15:08:38 <signal_failure> plus its on old hardware so 13 is better
15:08:47 <TinoDidriksen> People actually use LTS for the full support range? Sigh...
15:09:07 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen, that's what LTS is mean for...
15:09:09 <TinoDidriksen> I've installed Mint 15 on 3 very old laptops this week - works great.
15:09:43 <LordAro> unless your hardware is more than 10 years old, you don't generally need to worry about OS requirements
15:09:45 <TinoDidriksen> signal_failure, Core2Duo with 3GB RAM.
15:10:01 <signal_failure> lol, thats not old... thats a beast in my book!
15:10:25 <TinoDidriksen> planetmaker, I know LTS is meant for that, but I didn't think anyone outside Enterprise actually cared about it.
15:10:25 <signal_failure> I'm on a c 2004 thinkpad
15:10:40 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen, well, I actually do :-)
15:10:47 <peter1138> My laptop is from 2002...
15:11:00 <peter1138> I run Wheezy on it, cos it runs fine.
15:11:03 <planetmaker> little maintenance with the "guarantee" that it stays safe
15:11:12 <signal_failure> Hehe, I just upgraded from Puppy lol
15:12:21 <signal_failure> Stability is the issue, I have it on about half dozen machines that i have to look after. My newest machine is a Win 7 monster but I dislike the OS
15:13:44 <signal_failure> Anyway, we digress.... I'll grab a newer version and see if it runs ok whilst consigning my proto-bug to history
15:15:06 <planetmaker> signal_failure, in 1.2.0-beta3: - Fix: Removal of towns with 0 population failed during map generation [FS#4951] (r23819)
15:15:48 <planetmaker> 1.2.0-beta3 (2012-01-21)
15:16:44 <Xaroth|Work> TinoDidriksen: you're just describing my current gaming pc o_O
15:16:48 <Xaroth|Work> then again, I have a bit more ram in it
15:17:02 <Xaroth|Work> I should have asked for a new pc for my beerday :|
15:17:28 <signal_failure> oh, I had trouble getting the original music to work, horrendous edit of the config file.. therefore worried about installing later version
15:17:56 <planetmaker> eh. even in 1.1.4 you didn't need to edit the cfg to achieve that
15:18:52 <signal_failure> the file contents/order didnt match the track numbering in the download it was 'orrible to behold
15:19:05 <signal_failure> I had to mess about with all the md5s
15:19:52 <planetmaker> you got a faulty download then ;-)
15:19:58 <planetmaker> there are good and bad ones
15:20:20 <planetmaker> download... tsk. illegal
15:20:36 <signal_failure> it was only the midi files from Owen's site. I actually have the Win95 version complete here somewhere
15:20:56 <planetmaker> why did you then need a 'download'? ;-)
15:21:26 <planetmaker> sorry, I'm trolling you
15:21:27 <signal_failure> because it was going on to a different linux machine and I'm not sure where my original actually is
15:22:12 <signal_failure> but it's probably in the loft with 20 years worth of boxed games and utils :)
15:23:38 <signal_failure> and my beloved Borland Turbo softwares
15:24:13 <planetmaker> I'm sure my Turbo Pascal Disks meanwhile all died. I didn't check them in a decade
15:24:32 <signal_failure> Hehe I got TP 7 and C++
15:25:51 <signal_failure> These days I just use 'Processing' for fun
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16:43:54 <Ristovski> Anyone wants to beat my connection?
16:43:55 <Ristovski> "[ 5] 0.0-10.0 sec 17592186044415 MBytes 1759224058036 MBytes/sec"
16:44:04 <Ristovski> 17 exa bytes per second
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17:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i should rename CETS to CATS just to make it incompatible with canadian stuff :p
17:49:43 <Alberth> CATS sounds so much better :)
17:50:03 <Alberth> but it should have a cat-ish transport mode :)
17:50:27 <V453000> which can be slightly challenged by NUTS :P
17:50:52 <Alberth> SLUGS versus CATS, which is faster? :p
17:58:01 <Alberth> lol, rectangular rolls of paper :D
17:59:28 <V453000> which idiot could have drawn that
18:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the engines are mice and the wagons are cats, so the cats always chase the mice around :)
18:20:30 <frosch123> nah, 10 mice chasing one cat
18:20:44 <frosch123> why would 10 cats run after one mice?
18:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> use newgrf tricks to put the cat at the end?
18:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> might make assembling trains at the depot annoying
18:26:24 <alluke> would be great if ottd music player could control itunes
18:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> where's your patch?
18:41:08 <frosch123> should we just remove that stupid music player from ottd?
18:45:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25935 trunk/src/lang/polish.txt (2013-11-01 18:45:09 UTC)
18:45:16 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:17 <DorpsGek> polish - 1 changes by wojteks86
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19:24:17 <alluke> a friendly kiss includes no tongue
19:30:33 <andythenorth> someone remind me how ignore works?
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20:13:07 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 5 hours, 16 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
20:17:27 <Alberth> o/ andy, /ignore andythenorth or so
20:17:46 <andythenorth> everyone should set that by default :P
20:17:58 <Alberth> yeah, nice and quiet :)
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21:01:41 <LordAro> lucky it wasn't an identify command ;)
21:02:55 <juanjo_> and lucky I didn't used the password for other accounts
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21:10:51 <andythenorth> it's bed time, right?
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21:27:21 <Supercheese> Well, I don't know German but I can tell there are comparisons being drawn between the National Security Administration and the National Socialists
21:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the headline reads "How long have german chancellors been eavesdropped on?" and the bubble text reads "NSA? National Socialists of America? Nice to talk to you. Sure, i can tell you that i am attacking France tomorrow. Call again, please"
21:54:47 <Zuu_> Ahh phew. IRC is not down, Only my cable ISP that sucks :-p
21:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have withdrawal symptoms
21:58:39 <__ln__> ok, so no argument accepted
21:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i've been missing that feature a few times
21:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> like with @ports
22:02:27 <frosch123> @ports __ln__ to pc
22:02:27 <DorpsGek> frosch123: Invalid arguments for port.
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