IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-10-13
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07:34:30 <ChoHag> When did signals become so expensive to run?
07:34:51 <Supercheese> With infra maintenance?
07:35:19 <ChoHag> I don't know? I asked the question first?
07:35:34 <V453000> I get to feel that was an actual asnwer
07:35:45 <Supercheese> Well, d'you have infra maintenance on?
07:35:47 <peter1138> V453000, you left out the question mark?
07:35:49 <ChoHag> It had a question mark at the end.
07:36:13 <ChoHag> Are we Australian today!
07:36:56 <V453000> or woem, to be sufficiently backwards
07:37:30 <ChoHag> Anyway if you're referring to a togglable option I don't know because I'm been moved on to Thomas the Tank Engine books and the other computer is upstairs.
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07:38:31 <ChoHag> But if 'fuck me over with ridiculuosly expensive signals' is indeed an option, I mayy havre inadvetrantly turned it on.
07:38:52 <ChoHag> (Yeah I have one hand with which to type)
07:39:39 <Supercheese> "Infrastructure Maintenance"
07:40:10 <Alberth> the other option is that you have a cost modify newgrf loaded
07:40:23 <Supercheese> If enabled, it will charge a rather significant upkeep cost if you have many signals
07:40:43 <peter1138> Sounds designed to penalise V453000
07:40:52 <ChoHag> Apart from FIRS they're all superficial mods like station graphics.
07:41:03 <V453000> actually vice versa peter1138
07:41:05 * LordAro seems not to have gone to sleep yet
07:41:11 <LordAro> hmm, should do something about that
07:41:19 <V453000> it basically means that you need to get high train density :)
07:41:39 <V453000> out of the question :P
07:41:50 <ChoHag> I usually do have high train density.
07:42:05 <V453000> but yeah I never use infrastructure maintenance, no point in it
07:42:31 <ChoHag> So now I'm skint and had to eithrt cheat or wait an inordinate amount of time on hyperspeed.
07:43:00 <ChoHag> Well that depends on whether you consider there to be a point at all.
07:43:22 <peter1138> I've never played with it either, cos I never play :(
07:44:00 <ChoHag> I haven't played in ages but my daughter goes nuts about trains so I 'had to' start up again.
07:44:46 <Supercheese> are there even nuts in NUTS?
07:44:54 <Supercheese> food should be displayed as nuts
07:45:28 <ChoHag> Then I saw that the cargo distribution patch was mainlined, so I went all out trying to get some sort of realism.
07:45:45 <V453000> ooooh I also love realism
07:46:03 <V453000> my favourite part is making fun of it and insulting realism people
07:47:13 <ChoHag> Industries of the same type can be built close to each other with this patch on, it could cause problems though as you may end up with ten industries of one type in one small area of your map.
07:47:19 <ChoHag> Who said that's a problem?
07:47:56 <ChoHag> That's the way the world works.
07:48:07 <ChoHag> Coal mines, for example, tend to be clustered around where the coal is.
07:48:11 <ChoHag> Bit pointless otherwise.
07:49:46 <V453000> what difference would it make in the game if you have 3 close coal mines instead of one with triple production? ;)
07:50:33 <Alberth> otherwise, it looks like you're playing a game :p
07:50:35 <ChoHag> The difference is that there would be 3 coal mines instead of 1.
07:50:39 <ChoHag> That's .... the point.
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07:51:18 <ChoHag> Open sores and economics are not happy bedfellows.
07:51:25 <peter1138> Do industries still have a maximum production? If so, That'll be the difference between 1 and 3...
07:52:33 <peter1138> Silly gendarme... "Ensure local disposal" ... well I can't, that object's passed into a thread...
07:52:57 <V453000> peter1138: please count people in this room who get 2295 production often :P
07:53:29 <peter1138> People who press those little buttons ;)
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09:22:15 * andythenorth is hoping hg branch merge is as painless as git merge
09:22:24 <andythenorth> otherwise it will be sad times later
09:24:16 <andythenorth> there probably is one of those
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10:00:09 <Ristovski> Just use git as peter said :D
10:02:11 <andythenorth> it's not a git repo :P
10:02:29 <andythenorth> I know I can shuffle things in and out of git, but my brain is too small
10:03:04 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: when you worked out the slice lengths table - are they just nice combinations, or are the lengths of each part tuned specifically to avoid graphical glitches?
10:03:26 * andythenorth is trying to be parsimonious with ids for the third part, and wants it to always be 1/8 :P
10:06:05 <andythenorth> I could get friendly with cb 36 :P
10:06:30 <andythenorth> and match 3rd part length to 1st part length
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10:11:25 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the parts shouldn't be too short because of my usage of curvature info
10:14:52 <andythenorth> makes sense. no effect in my set though
10:15:29 <andythenorth> more interestingly, nml has no implementation of var 62 afaict
10:18:14 <andythenorth> can't use it in cb36 anyway, nvm
10:18:31 <andythenorth> I'll just consume more IDs, simple
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10:42:17 <peter1138> Yeah, we can just increase the 65535 limit...
10:44:50 <peter1138> Okay, I looked at WCF and I got scared...
10:46:41 <frosch123> oh, i commited a savegame version TODO again :p
10:46:55 <andythenorth> peter1138: don't bother, I can get by on 21845 unique vehicles, it's ok
10:47:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: articulated callback can only handle 16k IDs, not 64k
10:48:18 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 5333.33333333
10:48:24 <andythenorth> more than enough
10:48:41 <andythenorth> is there not an 8192 limit for trailing parts? Did I imagine that?
10:52:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25855 /trunk/src/saveload (afterload.cpp saveload.cpp) (2013-10-13 10:51:58 UTC)
10:52:05 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5788] (r25833): Obiwan messed up savegame conversion.
10:55:26 <fonsinchen> Somehow I don't have voice in #openttd.dev . Can someone fix that please?
10:56:36 <planetmaker> but via dorpsgek you could give yourself :-)
10:57:02 <planetmaker> yeah, sorry, typed in wrong channel
10:57:26 <peter1138> Pfft, that silly channel...
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11:04:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25856 trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp (2013-10-13 11:04:20 UTC)
11:04:27 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Use Industry::TileBelongsToIndustry in one more place (cirdan, LordAro)
11:05:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25857 trunk/src/order_gui.cpp (2013-10-13 11:05:20 UTC)
11:05:27 <DorpsGek> -Codechange [FS#5783]: Add void goto type to indicate inactivity in order window (adf88)
11:06:11 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25858 trunk/src/order_gui.cpp (2013-10-13 11:06:05 UTC)
11:06:12 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5783]: Goto button in order window was not always lowered when it should (adf88)
11:07:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25859 trunk/src/order_gui.cpp (2013-10-13 11:06:58 UTC)
11:07:05 <DorpsGek> -Add [FS#5784]: Hightlight active goto item in order list dropdown (adf88)
11:12:34 * peter1138 ponders updating some patches...
11:13:23 <peter1138> Heh, RGB company colours!
11:14:34 <peter1138> V453000, back me up here ;p
11:14:59 <Taede> e-road for thos electric buses?
11:14:59 <planetmaker> reason for HEQS. And easier implementation of road grfs. Thus better looks
11:15:05 <planetmaker> Not for realism sake
11:15:21 <planetmaker> it actually would already make sense when we only allow no additional road type :-)
11:15:27 <planetmaker> just from the GUI perspective
11:15:52 <planetmaker> not GUI. But possibility to replace roads via NewGRF
11:16:02 <planetmaker> as I then can draw roads w/o worrying about underground
11:17:45 <andythenorth> peter1138: main benefit of roadtypes imo is tram tracks without catenary
11:17:55 <andythenorth> is there another way to do that? o_O
11:18:00 <andythenorth> it's just a few bits?
11:18:15 <planetmaker> eh, just replace tram catenary by void sprites. Done
11:18:29 <andythenorth> I want both in a game :P
11:18:45 <planetmaker> that's an additional road type :-P
11:19:29 <andythenorth> road types ain't never gonna happen :D
11:23:00 <frosch123> just add an option to recolour the default road types
11:23:12 <frosch123> that's all that is being used abuot railtypes, isn't it? :p
11:24:36 <andythenorth> I'm pretty certain that the answer to roadtypes is to use railtypes
11:24:41 <FLHerne> Can we have canaltypes? :D
11:24:49 <andythenorth> canaltypes are railtypes
11:24:57 <andythenorth> strictly wetrail
11:25:28 * andythenorth is recoding FISH again btw, to be wetrail
11:25:38 <FLHerne> Wide/narrow/deep/shallow/towpath-fitted
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11:28:00 <peter1138> No but yeah but no.
11:29:51 <andythenorth> FLHerne: ask V453000
11:32:18 <V453000> peter1138 RGB company colours were awesome :(
11:32:47 <V453000> roadtypes sounds useful
11:33:38 <V453000> having road newGRFs more universal in general
11:33:45 <V453000> dont want to mix them with landscape/bridges
11:34:19 <V453000> I suppose having more roads with different appearance in 1 game could be cute too
11:34:25 <V453000> e.g. dirt vs wetroad :P
11:37:45 <planetmaker> wetroad would make more sense than wetrails... needs no signals :D
11:41:11 <Eddi|zuHause> attention: driving side on wetroads must always be on the right, despite what road traffic side says
11:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> because ship traffic side is standardised on the whole world
11:42:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you MUST care about REALISM!!!
11:43:42 <frosch123> "naptime" is quite realistic
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12:36:54 <ntoskrnl> hmmm, are the three first GetObjectType(t) --> _m[t].m5 changes appropriate in r25833?
12:38:00 <ntoskrnl> those if conditions are before the block that actually does the conversion
12:38:30 <frosch123> that's why m5 is used, instead of GetObjectType
12:38:46 <ntoskrnl> nevermind, i was confused
12:45:47 <andythenorth> why don't I just put the cargo capacity on the second slice of each vehicle?
12:45:57 <andythenorth> instead of arsing around looking it up on the first slice?
12:46:50 <frosch123> for the purchase list
12:47:12 <frosch123> we still have no construction sandbox, which constructs artic vehicles in purchase list to get proper stats
12:47:20 <andythenorth> I can sum those from the consist I have
12:47:29 <andythenorth> special handling for buy menu
12:55:25 * andythenorth docs for articulated parts 'things that must be 0'
13:21:22 <zydeco> is it possible that the admin interface doesn't send date updates every day if the server is too busy?
13:22:04 <zydeco> I had this script that would save snapshots on day 1 of every month, but later in the game it has skipped a few
13:22:20 <zydeco> when it has near 2000 vehicles
13:22:53 <zydeco> I'll add some prints for next time
13:28:12 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25860 /trunk/src (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h) (2013-10-13 13:28:06 UTC)
13:28:13 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5737] (r25570): When clearing font cache, also clear layout cache. (adf88)
13:45:03 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25861 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-10-13 13:44:58 UTC)
13:45:04 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5760]: Scale linkgraph legend according to text dimensions.
13:49:51 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25862 trunk/src/widget.cpp (2013-10-13 13:49:45 UTC)
13:49:52 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5715] (r25729): Usage of implicit unsigned wrap around. (sbr)
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16:19:24 <V453000> I have been drawing 1 fucking engine for 3 days o_0
16:19:47 <zydeco> does it have many pixels?
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16:43:47 <andythenorth> V453000: I have just spent an hour making firefox remove a 1 pixel border
16:43:54 <andythenorth> your problems ~= my problems :P
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17:01:00 <DanMacK> Wow, perfect timing lol
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17:45:56 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25863 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2013-10-13 17:45:46 UTC)
17:45:57 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:58 <DorpsGek> arabic_egypt - 147 changes by abdXelrhman
17:45:59 <DorpsGek> german - 2 changes by planetmaker
17:46:00 <DorpsGek> japanese - 3 changes by guppy
17:46:01 <DorpsGek> polish - 2 changes by wojteks86
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18:02:48 <V453000> frosch123: nani gogo? .P
18:39:59 <frosch123> V453000: they still did not start
18:40:08 <frosch123> but nani walked through the screen
18:40:41 <V453000> im getting stuttering at Low :|
18:40:46 <V453000> and I dont think its at my end
18:41:34 <frosch123> it's never at your end
18:41:40 <frosch123> and the quality thing is nonsense
18:42:03 <frosch123> it happens ery often to me that the higher quality is more smooth
18:42:28 <frosch123> i don'T see any logic there, just try which quality lever is the lucky one :)
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18:43:16 <V453000> lol the highest quality is a lot better
18:43:37 <frosch123> yup, that's often the case :p
18:44:09 <V453000> I suppose it is because more people use the lower qualities
18:44:13 <frosch123> it's software. don'T ask for logic
18:46:36 <V453000> it might be nut infested
18:48:59 <V453000> btw see the chat explode over you cant win alone by yourself advertisement XD
18:49:41 <frosch123> you are reading twitch chat? :o
18:49:47 <frosch123> are you also in #tycoon ?
18:50:02 <V453000> but I did read the chat when there was this advertisement as I wanted to see what they think about taht XD
18:50:08 <frosch123> i am using the tl embedded stream usually, cause i have all the important links left and right
18:50:20 <V453000> honestly there are only a few less useful things to read than twitch chat :-D
18:50:22 <frosch123> but, ok, you do not needs stats in the finals anymore
18:50:37 <V453000> meh dont care bout stats
18:56:18 <frosch123> btw. your "in a few minutes" is already 20 minutes ago
18:56:35 <frosch123> that's why i usually do not watch these big events
18:56:53 <frosch123> they have these waiting times, during which you cannot do anything really
18:58:22 <frosch123> let's try to make my checkout compile instead
18:59:16 <V453000> well I draw in the meantime so I dont really care about time :)
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19:04:00 <V453000> LMFAO I WANT THAT HAT XD
19:04:17 <frosch123> tod's or from the map drawer guy?
19:04:39 <V453000> oh god this is awesome
19:05:01 <frosch123> i cannot quite identify it
19:05:45 <frosch123> yeah, now that i know it, it is cool :p
19:05:48 <V453000> ok christmas gift idea for friend is solved XD
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19:09:49 <frosch123> that have not have been 18 hours
19:10:16 <LordAro> but my body clock is completely screwed up at the moment :L
19:10:41 <frosch123> what kind of 24 hour live stream did you do?
19:12:23 <LordAro> although i did see a few people playing ottd :)
19:12:39 <frosch123> hmm, it that the analogue thing to cs and bw in my youth?
19:14:11 <LordAro> (assuming cs == counter strike) people were playihng that too, although admittedly not the version you're probably familiar with :P
19:14:19 <LordAro> not sure what bw is though
19:14:35 <frosch123> likely :p 1.1 was the last one i played
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19:15:18 <LordAro> yep, people playing that too, although it was likely version 2 ;)
19:15:30 <V453000> that isnt broodwar anymore :P
19:16:24 * LordAro hasn't played sc at all
19:16:54 <frosch123> you wouldn't play lol otherwise :p
19:18:35 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25864 /trunk/src (5 files) (2013-10-13 19:18:30 UTC)
19:18:36 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Use the actual sprite dimensions for sizing the dropdown arrow of dropdown widgets.
19:21:39 <peter1138> Heh, I had patches to rework all that stuff to be consistent...
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19:22:19 <peter1138> There are/were two different sets of arrows which are slightly different.
19:22:37 <peter1138> Depended if it was done as a text or sprite draw, heh.
19:24:31 <frosch123> i guess we need to do a game with forced biggui on everyone
19:24:36 <frosch123> to find all those broken places
19:24:47 <peter1138> And huge/tiny fonts.
19:24:53 <frosch123> and someone will have to play with arabic or hewbrew :p
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19:26:36 <frosch123> i think roaches should not regenerate while borrowed and being shot at
19:26:46 <frosch123> like reapers or mutas
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20:11:11 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25865 /trunk/src (4 files) (2013-10-13 20:11:05 UTC)
20:11:12 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Refactor detecting of depot vehicle type of a tile to a new function, GetDepotVehicleType (cirdan, LordAro)
20:12:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25866 trunk/src/lang/arabic_egypt.txt (2013-10-13 20:12:11 UTC)
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21:51:35 <JVassie> Could anyone reccomend a program for Windows that will take a true colour .png and allow me to save it out as an 8-bit .png that grfcodec will play nicely with please?
21:51:56 <LordAro> gimp usually does everything
21:52:35 <JVassie> I have the true colour png open in gimp as we speak
21:52:54 <Supercheese> then you can download a palette
21:52:56 <Supercheese> lemme grab the link
21:53:35 <Supercheese> ttd-newgrf-dos.gpl should be good for all newgrf purposes
21:53:47 <Supercheese> If you want to be sure to not accidentally include action colors, grab the noaction version
21:54:20 <JVassie> I tend to do my actual dev work in MS paint
21:54:30 <JVassie> just need to convert it for now
21:54:36 <Supercheese> There's also a batch-convert gimp script
21:54:39 <JVassie> most of my sprite work is done
21:54:41 <Supercheese> for even easier conversion
21:55:35 <JVassie> DO i need to put the palettes in a specific folder? Can't seem to find a picker within the palettes window
21:55:51 <Supercheese> The palette picker is hidden, lemme see...
21:56:14 <Supercheese> Windows -> Dockable Dialogues -> Palettes
21:56:25 <Supercheese> Right click on the list -> Import palette -> from file
21:56:39 <JVassie> was the right click menu i needed, thx :)
21:56:44 <Supercheese> Took me a while to find that
21:58:43 <JVassie> normal export settings for .png should work?
21:59:07 <Supercheese> I use older GIMP where I just save to .png, I hate the new Save vs. Export dichotomy
21:59:13 <Supercheese> but yeah, default should work
22:03:41 <JVassie> hmm, now complains it isn't a 256 colour file
22:04:23 <Supercheese> Make sure you didn't check "remove unused colors"
22:04:38 <Supercheese> Revert to mode->RGB, then back to mode->indexed
22:04:54 <Supercheese> (forgot to mention that)
22:05:28 <JVassie> removing unused colours
22:05:40 <Supercheese> you want to leave all 256 index entries
22:05:50 <Supercheese> or else, as you see, grfcodec will complain
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23:09:25 <carpii> i have a truck run which is sending goods from a factory to a town, but the town keeps changing from accepting goods, to not accepting goods every few months. Is there a way I can influence the town to accept them permanently ?
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