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04:07:07 <Qsuicide> im having a real noob issue here. my subsidiaries are expiring even tho i setup the required items (i think atleast). simple stuff like mail from one town to another. when i click on the one own it says 'accepts: nothing', even tho it requires to accept mail for that subsidiary? driving me nuts
04:08:48 <Qsuicide> how do i make a town accept something? especially something they are offering a subsidiary for?
04:09:14 <scshunt> when you place the station, you can see what it will accept
04:09:20 <scshunt> it depends on the buildings in the town
04:09:33 <scshunt> and to claim a subsidy, you must actually deliver the goods, I believe
04:10:02 <Qsuicide> so i have a subsidiary that says 'mail from town a to b', but town b accepts: nothing, how do i win? lol
04:10:25 <Qsuicide> i put a truck stop down, setup the route, the mailtruck is full of mail, but it wont drop it off because it cant?
04:25:08 <scshunt> Qsuicide: You need to make sure that the station you put down in town b is near a building which accepts mail
04:25:20 <scshunt> when you place a station, you can see what it is close to
04:25:30 <Qsuicide> yeh, the catchment area
04:25:46 <Qsuicide> i tried adding a second station to each down to increase this area, placing the buildings to cover as much of town as possible
04:25:56 <Qsuicide> none of the stations will accept mail
04:26:00 <scshunt> don't actually place the stations
04:26:14 <scshunt> just open the station window and move your cursor around
04:26:19 <scshunt> the station window will tell you what they will accept
04:26:31 <scshunt> if the town won't accept mail anywhere, file a bug report and move on
04:41:56 <Qsuicide> i think, lesson learned here is not all subsidies can be done (easily/properly)
04:42:06 <Qsuicide> if i cant make a town accept mail, dont bother to setup a mail route lol
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05:08:37 <V453000> LOL WTF is this "colouring of dirty blocks" XD party mode?
05:20:01 <peter1138> It colours dirty blocks.
05:29:14 <V453000> well I figured it does colour mayhem more than all nuts vehicles combined, but what is it for? :D
05:30:20 <peter1138> So you can see what areas are redrawn.
05:55:26 <Qsuicide> how does one create steel from a steel mill? im feeding it truckloads of ore, says its producing, but my truck stop never has 'steel' waiting
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06:01:59 <peter1138> It won't have steel waiting if no vehicle carrying steel has visited
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06:23:17 <Supercheese> Hmm, the OpenTTD icon is surely GPL licensed; if I were to release a 3D model of the icon, it seems it would have to be GPL as well
06:23:43 <Supercheese> unfortunately, my model uses CC-BY-SA licensed components
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06:52:53 * andythenorth wonders if nml would go any faster with a single spritesheet instead of many
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08:45:15 <Qsuicide> how do i fight the bermuda triangle?
08:45:25 <Qsuicide> my jets keep disappearing magically :S
08:46:23 <V453000> set max_aircraft to 0 and use trains instead
08:46:49 <V453000> if you look carefully, the aircraft just flew off the map accidentally
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08:47:14 <V453000> yeah, trains have rails so it cant happen
08:48:33 <Qsuicide> this is a bug then with the open ttd software? cant avoid my planes flying off into the abyss?
08:48:57 <Alberth> it is rumoured that not having fast aircraft landing at small airports also helps in not flying them off map
08:49:27 <Qsuicide> that could be possible. im using the basic airport, but big phatty jets
08:49:50 <Qsuicide> it didnt seem to happen with the coleman smaller jet
08:50:10 <Qsuicide> but soon as i started ramping up into planes that carry 250ish+ people, all the sudden im wondering where my planes went
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08:50:51 <LordAro> likely that you're using large aircraft at small airports
08:50:53 <V453000> ok, the truth is that your aircraft is crashing on the small airports
08:50:53 <Alberth> hmm, not really findable at the wiki
08:51:35 <Qsuicide> i do SOMETIMES see the crashes, i just noticed all the sudden i was missing a half dozen planes, rebuilt them all, look away for a few mins, missing more planes, scratching my head..
08:51:48 <Qsuicide> upgrading airports to test, thx for tips :)
08:53:05 <Zuu> When upgrading an airport, the somewhat new close airport button in the station window can be useful.
08:53:20 <LordAro> i have said before that aircraft/airports should show whether they're large or small
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08:55:37 <V453000> newgrf people: is there some maximum of random switches that 1 sprite can be influenced by?
08:56:30 <V453000> but Somehow I am not getting many of the random values, and further strangely, e.g. the sprite randomizer seems to be somehow dependent on the colour randomizer
08:56:43 <V453000> aka I only get reversed sprites with dark blue
08:57:25 <V453000> am I running into some technical wall of maximum values?
08:59:54 <peter1138> There are 8 random bits. I don't know how random_switch allocates them, though.
09:01:43 <V453000> if I count correctly, I have 28 colour schemes, 5 sprite possibilities multiplied by 2, meaning there is 10 sprite sets ... that would make 280 possibilities
09:01:57 <V453000> I think my code already worked, presumably before I went over 255 possible outputs?
09:02:13 <peter1138> RAINBOWSLUG_colour_mapping_random needs 5 bits
09:02:20 <peter1138> param[01] = reserve_sprites(17);
09:02:20 <peter1138> replace(param[01]) {
09:02:20 <peter1138> recolour_sprite { //CCdark blue
09:02:43 <peter1138> recolour_sprite { //CCpale green
09:02:56 <V453000> you wont paste all of the recolours will you :D
09:03:08 <peter1138> recolour_sprite { //CCpink
09:03:27 <LordAro> @kick peter1138 spamming :P
09:03:35 <peter1138> recolour_sprite { //CCyellow
09:04:00 <peter1138> recolour_sprite { //CCred
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09:04:15 <peter1138> Irssi paste detection fail. I never even had that in my paste buffer o_O
09:04:42 <V453000> well, what did you mean to say instead? :)
09:05:08 <peter1138> I can't remember now
09:05:20 <V453000> [11:01] <@peter1138> RAINBOWSLUG_colour_mapping_random needs 5 bits is last you said
09:05:38 <peter1138> RAINBOWSLUG_ZEBRA_COLOURRANDOM_rest needs 4 bits
09:06:17 <peter1138> RAINBOWSLUG_RAINBOWZEBRA needs 1 bit
09:06:22 <V453000> _rest are the same as without it
09:06:24 <peter1138> that's 10 bits. Into 8 bits.
09:07:15 <V453000> do randomized sprites influence this?
09:07:16 <peter1138> But as I say, I don't know how these bits are allocated, or if it even works like that.
09:07:33 <peter1138> Randomised sprites are the same thing.
09:11:52 <V453000> will bother frog when he comes around :)
09:12:08 <V453000> the slugs have a unicorn head as one of the options after all
09:12:56 <V453000> thanks for trying to help :)
09:14:45 <peter1138> I guess if NML does some magic then it may not need to use bits.
09:15:43 <peter1138> Then it's 9 * 2 * 23
09:15:57 <peter1138> Which is way more than 256.
09:17:40 <peter1138> And randomised sprites use the same bits.
09:25:55 <Qsuicide> ugh. Auto Renew Money Limit..
09:26:33 <Qsuicide> lol yah.. took me 10 minutes to figure out it existed, and why my vehicles wouldnt renew automatically lol
09:27:29 <Qsuicide> is there a way i can auto replace a vehicle with the same vehicle if it gets old?
09:29:22 <Qsuicide> seems to only work with vehicles that have an upgrade
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10:24:10 <thomas001> hello, i noticed that cargodist is in trunk now. will it mess up AIs when enabled? what are the recommended settings regarding symmetric/asymmetric distribution?
10:25:00 <Zuu> Most AIs use point-to-point connections and will thus not be affected by cargodist.
10:25:17 <Zuu> Only AIs that reuse stations will be affected by cargodist.
10:26:25 <Alberth> symmetric means that cargo wants to travel in equal amounts at a line in both directions
10:26:50 <Alberth> that works if you have about the same amount of cargo to transport in both directions
10:26:56 <Zuu> Note that AIs can only see the advanced settings of cargodist. They cannot yet see the information shown in station windows etc. regarding where cargo want to go etc.
10:26:58 <Alberth> eg passengers and mail
10:27:26 <Alberth> valuables in temperate too, iirc
10:28:51 <thomas001> so i should set these 3 to symmetric and the rest to asymmetric?
10:30:08 <Alberth> asymmetric doesn't exclude the option of full trains in both directions, but it is not forced by the algorithm
10:30:48 <thomas001> so there is no 'best practice', yet?
10:31:18 <Alberth> I would seriously doubt we will ever have one
10:31:43 <Alberth> everybody plays the game with his own favorite combination of settings and newgrfs
10:32:02 <Alberth> there is no common best stuff
10:32:36 <thomas001> okay, i imagined there are common settings used in multiplayer, but seems i was wrong
10:33:47 <thomas001> one last thing: will cargodist break ecs or firs?
10:33:52 <Zuu> I would probably go on asymetric first and only go on symetric if needed.
10:34:33 <Zuu> But some will think that eg. passengers should be symetric.
10:34:58 <Alberth> industries don't care what you do with the cargo
10:35:33 <thomas001> okay, thank you all for the information!
10:35:51 <Alberth> but serving all industries at a map with a common infra structure becomes quite interesting ;)
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11:23:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r25743 trunk/src/video/cocoa/event.mm (2013-08-25 11:23:10 UTC)
11:23:17 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5705]: [OSX] Text input into an edit box would trigger hotkeys.
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11:43:10 <Arkabzol> Haha... My first cashmaker. 100 years old now.
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12:11:58 <andythenorth> Alberth: thanks :)
12:12:15 <Alberth> it's what you needed?
12:17:44 <andythenorth> looks like too many newlines to me :P
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12:24:42 <Alberth> it looks too few newlines to me :)
12:25:51 <andythenorth> more balanced with the triple quotes on separate line
12:28:04 <andythenorth> that's what I was following :)
12:28:17 <andythenorth> triple quotes on same line, blank lines before and after docstring?
12:28:35 <Alberth> ah, my convention does look nicer indeed
12:28:52 <andythenorth> PEPs are sometimes to be honoured by ignoring them
12:28:55 <andythenorth> especially PEP 8
12:29:46 <Alberth> you just have a lot of exceptions :p
12:32:02 <Alberth> nice things about standards, just use the one you like best :p
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13:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> things i hate most about multiline strings => either the indentation becomes part of the string, or you have unindented stuff in the middle of the program
13:44:47 <TinoDidriksen> Or use concatenation.
13:48:51 <Alberth> or make the strings a global value that you align against the left margin :p
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14:21:20 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: but with concatenation i have to insert the newlines manually
14:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean then '\n'
14:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> which is a thing i always forget everywhere
14:33:11 <Alberth> I usually make a list of lines, then do "\n".join(list)
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15:43:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25744 trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp (2013-08-25 15:43:52 UTC)
15:44:00 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r25648): [NewGRF] Also invalidate vehicle colour palette when rearranging consists.
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17:36:47 <frosch123> LordAro: you are turning more and more into a bat
17:37:13 * andythenorth has a terrible confession :o
17:37:31 <frosch123> yeah, hanging from the ceiling and such
17:37:32 <andythenorth> apart from the *horrible* terrain, toyland has some of the best graphics
17:37:51 <frosch123> and most detailed animation
17:38:10 <andythenorth> (this is original, not ogfx btw)
17:38:16 <frosch123> if you fix the terrain by e.g. using ogfx, it is one of the nicest climates
17:38:32 <frosch123> as in: better than 4th best :p
17:39:44 <LordAro> wait, i'm hanging from the ceiling?
17:40:58 <frosch123> trying as chicken next?
17:42:55 <LordAro> no idea what you're talking about :p
17:45:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25745 /trunk/src/lang (indonesian.txt serbian.txt) (2013-08-25 17:45:17 UTC)
17:45:25 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:26 <DorpsGek> indonesian - 10 changes by abdu354
17:45:27 <DorpsGek> serbian - 30 changes by ivan_mile
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19:11:58 <Zuu> Hmm, I lost my voice in .dev
19:12:06 <Zuu> ScriptTown::FundTown(..) or ScriptTown::FoundTown?
19:12:16 <V453000> this is more about the trains Alberth but thanks :P
19:12:35 <Alberth> and still block signals? :p
19:13:26 <V453000> you mean the proper ones? :>
19:13:49 <V453000> there is actually a relatively high amount of PBS in that game
19:13:54 <V453000> so your argument is invalid :>
19:14:02 <Qsuicide> public broadcast system?
19:14:03 <Alberth> Zuu: CmdFoundTown says the source code
19:14:50 <Qsuicide> i havent even started playing with trains yet. oh wait no. i did a coal loop ftw. 1 train, 1 lane, no accidents :D
19:16:36 <frosch123> Zuu: you found a new town, you fund new building in an existing town
19:16:47 <Alberth> slugs look so nice, and I haven't even played with wetrails yet
19:17:22 <Alberth> you're so quick with making new additions!
19:17:25 <Qsuicide> oh LOL those are slugs. i just thought it looked like rollercoaster cars
19:17:50 <Alberth> nah, they don't go upside down
19:18:12 <V453000> they indeed dont Alberth, but some of them do go backwards XD
19:18:15 <Qsuicide> you have so many trains, but nowhere for the people to live :(
19:18:53 <frosch123> V453000: are the tracks purr tracks?
19:19:12 <frosch123> ok, finally sane maglev tracks
19:19:46 <V453000> only 565 trains on 256x256 Qsuicide
19:20:14 <Qsuicide> oh thats not too many at all :o
19:20:42 <Qsuicide> 65536 squares, 565 trains, <1%!
19:20:52 <Qsuicide> time to ramp it up eh?
19:21:05 <frosch123> well, you have to consider train length 5 at least :p
19:21:22 <frosch123> you cannot expect every tile to have two parallel tracks
19:22:39 <frosch123> V453000: the black slug with hat looks like a cow
19:22:54 <V453000> yes they need some improved contrast to make them more obvious
19:22:59 <Qsuicide> how many hours does a 100 year game take at normal speed?
19:23:33 <Qsuicide> so around 15 minutes per year
19:23:33 <frosch123> @calc 100*365*74*0.03/3600
19:23:33 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 22.5083333333
19:24:10 <frosch123> 74 ticks per ingame day, 30 milliseconds per tick
19:25:25 <Qsuicide> so 2.22 seconds per day
19:25:49 <Zuu> frosch123: You can found a town. But you could possible also fund the cost of founding a town.
19:26:14 <frosch123> Zuu: yeah, but we already discussed that lengthly in the past :p
19:26:47 <Zuu> I must have missed that discussion. :-)
19:26:49 <frosch123> found is the new-town thingie, fund is the town-authorithy action
19:27:50 <frosch123> V453000: meth? myth? math?
19:29:08 <V453000> how else do you explain unicorns
19:29:14 <V453000> math people on meth following myths
19:29:51 <frosch123> unicorns are easily explained, considering they can travel in time and space
19:30:10 <frosch123> though i am unsure about the total amount of unicorns
19:31:05 <frosch123> might be the "last unicorn" is only a joke-ish way to say "there is only one unique unicorn, but it can team up with itself by travelling in time and space"
19:32:28 <V453000> ok that sounds more than awkward :D
19:44:11 <Supercheese> slugs with top hats
19:44:56 <scshunt> Supercheese: the greatest
19:46:04 <Supercheese> Will NUTS ever expand to aircraft?
19:46:26 <Supercheese> Aww, I wanted to see dragonfly helicopters and pegasi
19:48:41 <frosch123> it has hover animals instead
19:49:16 <frosch123> V453000: anyway, who built and sold so many slugs to end up with the right ones?
19:49:29 <scshunt> what makes a slug say fashion?
19:49:37 <scshunt> I've seen behatted slugs without fashion
19:49:54 <scshunt> also is nuts just going to become slugs?
19:49:58 <scshunt> (not that I have a problem with this)
19:50:34 <frosch123> scshunt: i think V is just extending the timeline of new engines into the future
19:53:50 <V453000> slug is the ultimate bonus engine, it isnt even within the main 1920-2070 range as frosch says
19:54:05 <Bad_Brett> why did i read "I've seen beheaded sluts without fashion"?
20:03:50 <V453000> scshunt: they say it only when travelling in the one specific direction (and have a hat)
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