IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-06-19
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12:11:04 <Pure> Is there any documentation on the cargo distribution feature in the nightly?
12:20:04 <Pure> Oooh, it -is- the cargodist patch?
12:20:06 <planetmaker> :-) Did you check in our wiki
12:20:53 <Pure> Cargodist removes the need for transfers, true?
12:22:49 <Pure> Huh, where do you get to news settings now? I thought it was under the news button >_>
12:25:48 <Brumi> advanced settings / interface / news and messages
12:27:27 <planetmaker> and for those who didn't notice: auto-separation for time-tables is also in trunk ;-)
12:27:51 <Brumi> that's an awesome feature :)
12:27:58 <Brumi> I noticed it while translating
12:28:16 <Pure> Are timetables shared when orders are shared, also?
12:28:24 <planetmaker> hehe, being translator sometimes gives nice hints, eh? :-)
12:28:46 <Brumi> and I usually look the strings up in the game
12:28:55 <Brumi> so that I know what I'm translating
12:28:56 <planetmaker> that definitely helps
12:29:26 <planetmaker> Maybe I don't do it "usually". But... yes, I do it, too for cases where I'm unsure how to properly translate
12:29:56 <Brumi> Pure: auto-separation is a feature used when there are multiple vehicles on the same line with shared orders
12:30:12 <Brumi> and you don't want your vehicles to bunch up
12:30:40 <Brumi> and with this feature you can arrange their timetables automatically so that they won't bunch up
12:31:07 <Brumi> first you need to use autofill for one of the vehicles
12:31:32 <Brumi> then you add some extra time so that they can catch up if they're late
12:32:01 <Brumi> and then you ctrl+click "Start date" in the timetable window
12:32:31 <Brumi> this will set the starting date of the timetable for all vehicles on that line
12:32:48 <Brumi> and will add an offset to them so that they're evenly distributed
12:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that is probably the most minimalistic version of autoseparation imaginable :)
12:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but seriously, the whole timetable adjustment magic that the other autoseparation patch did made it practically unusable for anything that is not a straight line without any interruptions
12:46:10 <Brumi> this one works like a charm :)
12:46:36 <Brumi> basically I did the same thing manually beforehand
12:46:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but it is more like "manual separation" than "auto separation"
12:46:57 <Brumi> counting the days was a headache sometimes
12:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> even synchronising two lines
12:47:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i usually tried to make sure it's some "round" number, but on month borders it's a pain
12:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%2029.%20Aug%202019.png
12:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a real pain
12:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and it didn't even work properly, until i took out half the trains
12:51:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it had to be synchronised so that at the merge "A", no train had to stop
12:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but on the northern station, the entrance/exit conflicted with this timetable, so occasionally there was a delay, taking down the whole system
12:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> once a train stoped, it was unable to recover from that state
12:53:01 <Pure> I don't -really- understand the use of timetables
12:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> this particular problem could have been solved with timetabled speed limits, but that was not implemented back then
12:54:48 <Brumi> Pure: I'm sure you had a situation where you connected two towns and started a few buses between them
12:55:24 <Brumi> and after some time the buses will be following each other closely instead of being as far as possible from each other
12:55:57 <Brumi> and this way the last bus will never get any passengers if the towns are small
12:56:08 <Brumi> plus the station ratings will be bad
12:56:43 <Brumi> you can solve this problem by creating timetables for the buses
12:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah tram lines are where i used that system the most. synchronisation is less of an issue there
12:57:59 <Pure> And do timetables have an issue with busses returning to a depot?
12:58:13 <Eddi|zuHause> train systems are usually too complex to bother, also signal distance can reduce this effect
12:58:25 <Brumi> but you can schedule their service as well
12:58:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you can timetable depot visits
12:58:39 <Eddi|zuHause> airplanes i never managed to properly timetable
12:59:00 <Pure> I've always wondered, actually. Is it advisable to order busses to go to depots?
12:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that is right, __ln__ :)
13:00:14 <Pure> Ok, is it advisable to order bi to go to depots? :P
13:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: well, german grammar says only the "ss" version is correct, and everything i can quickly find about english is that both versions are considered correct
13:03:04 <Pure> I've always used busses ;)
13:03:17 <Pure> Both in a grammatical sense and a literal sense
13:03:42 <Pure> I'm still a novice at this game...and I've been palying for years
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13:04:47 <__ln__> are there some other english words where an 's' would irregularly double in an otherwise regular plural?
13:05:03 <Pure> Words ending with an s, specifically.
13:05:54 <Pure> In all technicality, virus isn't english
13:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "original" german words would end with 'ß' (=ss) in all relevant cases
13:06:22 <Pure> Are you saying busses/buses/bi are german? D:
13:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause> no, "bus" is short for (latin) "omnibus"
13:08:01 <Eddi|zuHause> as such, bus as "english" as virus :)
13:08:19 <Pure> Would it be a good idea to timetable lorries, too?
13:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, if you want them to spread out
13:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and "full" load won't help
13:22:07 <__ln__> are there english words that end in '-s' but not '-ss' or '-us' in singular?
13:22:50 <__ln__> and whose plural has this doubled 's'.
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13:32:21 <Xaroth|Work> it's more interesting to see that you've been pondering pluralization for the past half hour :P
13:36:11 <__ln__> pluralization is serious business.
13:38:12 <Xaroth|Work> it would appear so
13:52:37 <Xaroth|Work> I'll allow it; it's too damn warm in the office for me to function normally.
13:59:31 <Belugas> the opposite, here. Ive opened my computer's casing to warm my feet on it ;)
14:02:58 <planetmaker> hello Belugas . You sure can have 10°C from here, if you wish. We'd still have plenty
14:05:35 <Belugas> i'll wait for july to pick it, if you don't mind ;)
14:05:50 <Belugas> if july is the month, of course...
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14:43:32 <Pure> How do people normally start off in the early game?
14:47:48 <Xaroth|Work> make a line that's profitable
14:47:52 <Xaroth|Work> wait a bit for funds to return
14:47:57 <Xaroth|Work> make another line that's profitable
14:47:58 <Xaroth|Work> wait a bit for funds to return
14:48:05 <Pure> But what -is- profitable for early game :P
14:48:14 <Xaroth|Work> what -isn't- profitable ?
14:48:46 <Pure> I'm just trying to find a good cashcow, heh
14:48:54 <Xaroth|Work> in terms of balancing, openttd is quite.. er.. how to put it nicely
14:49:07 <Xaroth|Work> you have to really screw up to go bankrupt
14:50:11 <Xaroth|Work> in the past 3 years I went bankrupt once, and that was because I was overstretching and some twit decided to grief
14:50:28 <Xaroth|Work> something that can't ever fail:
14:50:45 <Xaroth|Work> find power station at least 80 tiles away
14:51:10 <Xaroth|Work> even with a max loan of 200-300k $ it's doable
14:54:13 <Xaroth|Work> or; if you have a station spread setting of 32+, find power plant and coal station around 60 tiles apart.. build truck stop at powerplant, build truck stop at coal station
14:54:19 <Xaroth|Work> then find the center between them
14:54:41 <Xaroth|Work> build truck stop linked to coal, build truck stop linked to power right next to it, connect
14:54:52 <Xaroth|Work> add trucks, and watch
14:55:16 <Xaroth|Work> (station spread is kinda overpowered like that)
14:55:31 <Xaroth|Work> (unless they fixed that recently)
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16:28:33 <planetmaker> hm... industry map colours
16:29:53 <planetmaker> hm. Not even the game options can be displayed anymore on 640x480 monitor
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17:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "yes, please leave this forum" :p
17:26:46 <planetmaker> I just gave him an official warning for blackmail attempt ;-)
17:27:34 <Xaroth|Work> so first you tease us
17:27:38 <Xaroth|Work> then you tell us you're not telling?
17:27:40 <Xaroth|Work> that's ... rude :P
17:27:49 <planetmaker> read forums. You'll find the posting
17:28:12 <peter1138> anyone else doing xmpp these days?
17:28:13 <planetmaker> someone going with "do as I say or I'll leave". I like that. Really do :-)
17:29:38 <planetmaker> I don't mind that, if they don't do other stupidities concurrently, though
17:29:40 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: you post too much for me to see what you replied to :P
17:32:31 <Xaroth|Work> whiney little twit
17:32:35 <Xaroth|Work> is the first thing that comes to mind
17:40:49 <Pure> So, on the timetable screen, I Ctrl-Click on Start Date and it'll auto-seperate?
17:45:04 <Pure> It's not working very well, anyway
17:45:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25427 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2013-06-19 17:45:36 UTC)
17:45:50 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:51 <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 2 changes by siu238X
17:45:52 <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 2 changes by siu238X
17:45:53 <DorpsGek> croatian - 31 changes by VoyagerOne
17:45:54 <DorpsGek> french - 2 changes by glx
17:45:55 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 1 changes by Brumi
17:45:56 <DorpsGek> slovak - 44 changes by Milsa
17:45:57 <DorpsGek> thai - 30 changes by nirakanz
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18:40:33 <planetmaker> Terkhen, what's your comment on the colours?
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19:03:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25428 /trunk/bin/baseset (8 files) (2013-06-19 19:03:51 UTC)
19:03:58 <DorpsGek> -Update: Baseset translations
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20:03:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25429 trunk/src/newgrf_house.cpp (2013-06-19 20:03:10 UTC)
20:03:17 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5603] (r25140): When town creation failed, removing remnants of the construction failed on protected houses.
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20:46:26 <frosch123> yay, fjb signed up!
20:47:42 <frosch123> planetmaker: it start to really look like 06-27, which means video chat with the other meating :p
20:47:58 <planetmaker> I chatted up on fjb today and forced him. Well... didn't need forcing. Just telling
20:48:24 <frosch123> he, how did you got hold of him?
20:48:38 <frosch123> eh, yeah, 06-27 is a bit early :p
20:48:59 <frosch123> hmm, and i haven't seen V453000 in days
20:49:24 <planetmaker> dunno really. He's barely on. But he said he'd try to make it. And very likely makes it
20:49:44 <planetmaker> But that Pilzener is cheaper here than in Pilzen :-P
20:49:55 <Rubidium> the other meeting is on sunday
20:50:51 <Rubidium> "TT Meet 2013: London, 28/07/13 [PLEASE SIGN UP]"
20:57:31 <Xaroth|Work> if both were on the same date you could have video feeds of each meet
20:57:38 <Xaroth|Work> make it one big meet
20:57:53 <planetmaker> hehe :-) Dave suggested that, yes
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