IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-06-20
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10:31:27 <lugo> does anyone know where i can get this PDF with all FIRS industries and it's possible connections?
10:31:49 <lugo> it was posted i the devthread sometime
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10:54:46 <lugo> i found this overview more comprehensive.. but thanks..
10:55:19 <planetmaker> look for the documents near the firs repo maybe
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12:27:27 <lugo> Tvel: exactly, thank you!
12:28:13 <lugo> mmh, it's for FIRS 0.5.3 :/
12:28:28 <lugo> thought it was more recent
12:51:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the problem with one-time efforts... they tend to get outdated quickly
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13:08:53 <__ln__> can i sign up for the meeting if i don't have a forum name, and if i'm not 100% sure of attendance?
13:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (treat double exclamation marks as irony markers :p)
13:10:59 <oskari89> __ln__: forum name is not difficult to have ;)
13:11:35 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, that's what she said!!
13:15:11 <__ln__> oskari89: i don't like web based forums.
13:26:34 <supermop> __ln__: couldn't you just show up at the place and time?
13:27:13 <planetmaker> allegedly he can.
13:33:56 <peter1138> say i have an MVC site
13:34:05 <peter1138> and i have an a object and a b object, both independent
13:34:16 <peter1138> except i want to create a b object based on an a object
13:34:37 <peter1138> where does that fit? heh
13:35:14 <Xaroth|Work> I.. don't get it.
13:35:25 <peter1138> i didn't think anyone did
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16:27:33 <canin> I have a fairly high res monitor and tt and too small to see clearly, is there a way to double or quadruple the pixel res?
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16:50:42 <Zuu> canin: You can increase the font size in openttd.cfg
16:51:02 <Zuu> To get larger GUI icons, there is a NewGRF with larger GUI.
16:51:19 <Zuu> To see signals etc. in-game, you can just zoom in.
16:51:55 <Zuu> If you want higher detailed graphics in the two most detailed zoom-levers you can try zBase which is a 32bit high-detail base set.
16:54:40 <canin> heh just found the font info
16:58:17 <canin> What's that GUI pack called?
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16:58:45 <Zuu> Accoring to the wiki it's called BigGUI
16:59:17 <canin> Also, is there an official PPA for ubuntu? OTTD is one of the few games I don't have a ppa for
16:59:30 <canin> I've seen a few third-party ppas
17:00:28 <canin> unsurprisingly the main archives in ubuntu have an out of date OTTD most of the time
17:00:59 <Zuu> It seems that there are ubuntu .debs for OpenTTD stable but not for trunk on openttd.org
17:01:25 <canin> I guess I'll live with the debs
17:01:47 <canin> I wonder what an easy way is to share saves/settings across windows/mac/linux
17:02:15 <Zuu> On Linux I usually just grab the generic pre complid .tar.gz and tar -xf it. If I really need to have it globally accessable I make a wrapper start script in my ~/bin.
17:03:07 <canin> Are the config files compatible across platforms? I assume the saves and downloaded content is.
17:03:58 <Zuu> The config file itself can be transfered from one computer to another. What may not always be the same is paths to eg. fonts.
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17:04:37 <Zuu> Eg. Open the openttd.cfg file and look at it. You can then see if it contains paths to files on your system that are platform/computer specific.
17:06:04 <canin> Hmm, if there's any differences, could make a launcher that automatically changes that setting. The actual data is synced on my network.
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17:09:47 <canin> I find the squeak landing jets make funny
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17:18:50 <canin> This game is so small and catchy - like RCT and TTD originally was - I wonder why no distros include it... instead you'll get a minesweeper package that uses the same amount of disk space.
17:19:20 <canin> What version of OpenGL does this use? 1.x or 2.x or a mix?
17:22:46 <canin> Ah oldschool SDL for the graphics, not jsut for sound+context
17:34:26 <peter1138> pretty sure a lot of distros include it
17:34:33 <peter1138> not installed by default of course
17:39:05 <canin> SDL is on every platform there is, even obscure things lol
17:39:26 <canin> Only issue is it's not very efficient so OTTD on mobile is slow.
17:43:21 <frosch123> just get a dual core mobiel
17:43:31 <frosch123> drawing can be done in a separate thread
17:45:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25430 /trunk/src/lang (latvian.txt thai.txt) (2013-06-20 17:45:12 UTC)
17:45:21 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:22 <DorpsGek> latvian - 22 changes by Parastais
17:45:23 <DorpsGek> thai - 21 changes by nirakanz
17:45:37 <gk> Is the game even playable on a mobile? Can't imagine it being easy to do much.
17:46:16 <frosch123> if you have a pen instead of fat fingers it is said to be playable
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18:19:28 <Belugas> on a mobile, it's hard. on a tablet (10 inches), it's doable. and surprising
18:22:29 <canin> At low res it works well with a pen, especially if it's a 2 or 3 button pen.
18:23:45 <gk> What size maps can they generally handle?
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18:25:56 <canin> Purely depends on the CPU, the tablet I tried was an atom, can handle medium-large ones, not huge ones.
18:29:44 <gk> I generally play on 2048/w x 1024/h because I like to have a lot of water. Be nice if could get the map generator to make better continental land masses. 512x512 is a decent enough size to play on though.
18:33:02 <gk> by better I mean larger land masses rather than a lot of smaller ones which it seems to produce.
18:33:28 <canin> I've been playing with rolling world generation on my engine
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18:46:07 <gk> Something completely different I wold like like but never seen is to be able to have double train tracks in in a square. Maybe it has been done somewhere. So they work similar to trams. Don't seem right that to have tracks going in both directions you need to have them so wide apart. Not sure if its hard to code it in. Couple of train tracks in the real world are similar in width to roads.
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18:50:57 <canin> I've been thinking of having tracks as curves you drag out and snap together on a grid, rather than being along a grid or hex or freeform(yuck) you point out the path and vector like curves are made
19:06:19 <Alberth> freeform is probably even newer
19:07:07 <canin> every game i know with freeform plopping has problems because it's drag and drop, instead of planning things
19:10:15 <canin> I'm thinking maybe a rolling average with linear points is all that's needed.
19:11:24 <Alberth> it's a different market segment; the casual gamer doesn't want to plan things
19:11:52 <canin> well the planning jsut means dragging and confirming building up to wahtever point you want
19:13:04 <canin> solves the problem of drag and drop being problematic... and you're still dropping the path with points on a grid so the data format is simple
19:15:06 <canin> Heh ya that'd be a simple precursor.
19:15:50 <canin> although i'd jsut click-down points and autofull inbetween the points, with predicted smoothing for curves
19:16:20 <canin> ah he's doing click-in instead of drag in too
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19:18:25 <Vinnie_nl> hello any AI devs arround to answer a simple question?
19:18:43 <Alberth> ask a question and find out :p
19:19:03 <Vinnie_nl> GSSign.BuildSign(100, 100, GSText.STR_SIGN_A)
19:19:26 <Vinnie_nl> I know its goalscript but they are similar
19:20:03 <Vinnie_nl> I get an error if i use that command. But why
19:21:47 <Vinnie_nl> your script made an error: wrong number of parameters
19:22:08 <Vinnie_nl> in main.nut file wich i know because i added just this one line to that file
19:22:11 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have a link to the specs?
19:22:20 <Vinnie_nl> and then the one i don't understand
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19:23:05 <Alberth> static SignID AISign::BuildSign ( TileIndex location, Text * name )
19:23:23 <Alberth> ie, you need to construct a tile index of the x/y coordinare
19:28:38 <Alberth> Vinnie_nl: static TileIndex GetTileIndex (uint32 x, uint32 y) <-- in AIMap
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19:37:16 <Vinnie_nl> that does kinda work, thank you :)
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21:26:53 <canin> I wonder how well go routines would run on the parallela's cores...
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22:04:08 <bertieb> Hi all, is there a way to specify climate/landscape for a new map via rcon? I've checked the wiki but I can't see how to
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