IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-05-30
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10:08:31 <samu> i have installed the RC1, but with errors: could not download opengfx, could not download opensfx
10:08:46 <samu> I used the transport tycoon meanwhile
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10:59:56 <samu> where do i find OpenSFX-0.2.3
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11:24:22 <frosch123> silly automatic updates
11:25:17 <frosch123> made incompatible changes and does not notify me about it, but just stops working :p
11:38:07 <samu> do you see me downloading OpenSFX-0.2.3?
11:39:44 <frosch123> yeah, we are impressed. you are doing really good with downloading
11:40:31 <samu> it is slow, where can I download like yesterday?
11:41:02 <V453000> googling score is a bit lower though
11:49:29 <V453000> no problem on either of them
11:49:40 <V453000> what do you need sounds for anyway :d
11:50:22 <samu> openttdcoop dls were interrupted
11:50:43 <V453000> I just downloaded it and it works
11:50:50 <V453000> so the problem certainly isnt at the server side
11:50:52 <samu> utwente stalls, 12 hours remaining
11:51:09 <samu> i needed to download from somewhere else
11:51:51 <V453000> why do you even tell us when you know it is your problem :d
11:51:55 <V453000> just google another mirror
11:52:03 <samu> i forgot where I downloaded from
11:54:15 <V453000> how should we know that :)
11:56:48 <planetmaker> samu, if both, utwente and coop devzone downloads fail, the cause is at your end
11:57:13 <planetmaker> both have quite decent network connectivity... thus the speed issue is not there
11:57:35 <planetmaker> they might complain, if you try to download stuff at 1 bit per minute, though
11:58:03 <samu> openttdcoop have 2 different 0.2.3's
11:58:35 <samu> I know, but yesterday I downloaded RC1 from somewhere and worked
11:58:51 <samu> tried to install it and failed with downloading opensfx
11:59:20 <planetmaker> I'm pretty sure that it has only one 0.2.3 of OpenSFX :-)
12:00:14 <planetmaker> hm, interesting :-)
12:01:04 <samu> one is 10.8 MB, other is 10.6 MB
12:01:20 <samu> utwente is 10.8 MB, the one from online is 10.8 MiB
12:04:04 <planetmaker> on closer analysis the two OpenSFX are identical though
12:11:20 <planetmaker> as is the download obtained from university twente
12:16:13 <planetmaker> you're not supposed to access mirrors directly. Thus they provide no index page
12:16:33 <planetmaker> openttd has a download balancer for a reason. bound to fail, if people mess with it manually
12:18:47 <samu> downloading from Check Online Content via OpenTTD just keeps restarting the download
12:19:39 <samu> sometimes doesn't even go 1%, it restarts
12:20:03 <planetmaker> get a real internet connection, I suggest
12:20:58 <samu> can't make it much cheaper than this
12:21:03 <planetmaker> wow... for that I would get 50MBit flatrate internet, telephone and mobile
12:21:50 <samu> it is TV + NET + Phone + MobileNet
12:22:05 <planetmaker> but I didn't ask for "cheap" but for "decent". Often that's detrimental to eachother
12:22:49 <samu> we could live without TV, but these ISPs are gay and always force either TV or Phone
12:23:37 <samu> If I want only MobileNet, they force me a triple service
12:26:55 <samu> currently where I am, I only have MobileNet
12:28:08 <samu> the other 3 services are useless as long as I'm here
12:28:23 <samu> but still have to pay 71 euros a month :(
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12:35:44 <frosch123> planetmaker: no matter how hard i try, i cannot find anything more expensive than 60€, which includes flatrate for internet, phone, mobile and movies
12:37:47 <frosch123> yeah, but germany is always considered bad compared to other countries
12:38:15 <planetmaker> I didn't look. But was just guesswork
12:38:23 <frosch123> comparing to sweden and finland usually :)
12:50:17 <planetmaker> flatrate internet @ 6MBit + landline phone + mobile phone without flat rates = 19,90€ ;-)
12:51:18 <samu> Mobile Internet is 1 Mbps
12:51:40 <samu> TV is 100+ channels, i don't even watch one
12:53:14 <samu> Phone unlimited as long as I don't make calls to numbers belonging to other providers
12:53:27 <samu> then i pay some rate per second
12:54:45 <samu> mobilenet 1 Mbps, limited to 1 GB bandwidth, then down to 128 kbps
12:55:31 <samu> Internet 24 Mbps dl, 1.5 Mbps ul, they say unlimited
12:56:30 <samu> I know there's a max bandwidth limit
12:56:45 <samu> other users complain about it, but I never reached to that point
12:56:52 <samu> I'm barely using it anyway...
12:59:55 <samu> Could not decompress the downloaded file... :(
13:02:47 <samu> Trying to load sound set 'OpenSFX' but it is incomplete
13:04:03 <samu> bla bla, the following files are corrupted or missing: opensfx-0.2.3\opensfx.cat is corrupt (Please redownload from BaNaNas.)
13:06:51 <samu> omg, can't select opensfx from download content
13:07:00 <samu> You already have this :8
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17:45:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25306 /trunk/src/lang (czech.txt romanian.txt) (2013-05-30 17:45:17 UTC)
17:45:25 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:26 <DorpsGek> czech - 38 changes by LucikMucik
17:45:27 <DorpsGek> romanian - 22 changes by mariush
17:54:19 <frosch123> ah, and he breaks wt3 on the first day? :p
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18:11:19 <frosch123> what is more annoying? the webchat guys, or the guys asking why it is banned?
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18:13:00 <Rubidium> frosch123: not that it matters since mibbit is really banned by oftc
18:13:16 <frosch123> is it? i thought it was our mib* ban
18:14:46 <samu> but i need to type my name and channel :(
18:15:42 <Rubidium> frosch123: I read that not long ago; can't find it anymore though
18:15:57 <Rubidium> except some other fora mentioning that mibbit is banned on oftc
18:16:18 <frosch123> wiki says mibbit is banend from freenode since 2009
18:16:24 <frosch123> though wiki was not edited since 2011
18:17:58 <frosch123> Rubidium: ok, there is apparently a x.org chatlog about it
18:19:06 <planetmaker> yes, mibbit is banned
18:19:15 <planetmaker> oftc doesn't want to hand out control over their network
18:19:33 <planetmaker> and mibbit doesn't use their API properly (as how it was forseen)
18:19:36 <Rubidium> oh lol... oftc web chat is just a javascript IRC client running locally
18:19:50 <planetmaker> whatever... dunno :-)
18:20:30 <Zuu> samu: Why not just run an IRC client as a stand alone application?
18:21:04 <samu> lol I don't want to download much stuff
18:21:32 <Rubidium> so you download an IRC client and all its libraries written javascript each and every time you want to IRC?
18:21:36 <Zuu> So instead you download the client every time (HTML+javascript)
18:22:07 <samu> I put in the address and I'm here
18:22:21 <samu> if that's how it works, fine
18:23:19 <planetmaker> :-) yeah. And complain about traffic quota. Increasing it... for no good reason really
18:24:42 <samu> the quota is 1GB, I'm over 15GB atm
18:25:23 <samu> but what I complain is my downloads don't work
18:25:41 <samu> yet I can see a 52 youtube video
18:27:05 <samu> 1 Mbps internet during 1 GB quota, then 128 kbps after 1 GB quota
18:27:33 <samu> that's what they advertise, but I can't download anything past 15 GB
18:39:59 <Zuu> samu: So if you download an IRC client once, you will use only that bandwith required for chat in future and not having to download the full IRC client each and every time.
18:45:03 <samu> it's not something I use as often, else I'd install one
18:46:37 <samu> problem is I'm dealing with an ISP who doesn't know what they're doing
18:47:26 <samu> they advertise something, I get another, I get more than 1 Mbps
18:48:16 <samu> after that traffic, I get 128 kbps for some stuff, but 0 for downloads or whatever they see fit as a download
18:48:24 <samu> some downloads still work, but it's rare
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18:49:29 <samu> between complaining or leaving it be, I just prefer that they don't screw it
18:50:12 <samu> if I happen to need windows updates, I'm just stuck
18:51:37 <Zuu> When I was a high school student without internet, I brought my laptop to a friend to get updates and install new Linux software. :-)
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18:59:05 <samu> it angries me soo much when i'm unable to download half-month away
19:01:28 <samu> checking my antivirus definitions tells me how long I've been unable to download
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19:28:46 <zooks> My openttd just crashed (r25306) while playing with newobjects: Error: Assertion failed at line 704 of /bamboo/src/widget_type.h: this->count <= this->cap ? (position == 0) : (position + this->cap <= this->count)
19:29:08 <zooks> Can it be that my nml code causes the crash?
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19:29:58 <planetmaker> please open an issue in our bug tracker with all crash files and info which you can give
19:30:52 <planetmaker> of course it can be your newgrf which triggers it. But it is always an OpenTTD bug, if it crashes
19:31:38 <planetmaker> but what you quote sounds not like a newgrf thing
19:31:49 <zooks> Well I made some changes to dutchroadfurniture
19:32:06 <zooks> and opening and closing the object window causes the crash
19:32:17 <zooks> Ill upload to the bugtracker
19:32:58 <planetmaker> make sure to then also attach your newgrf or the diff of your changes to dutchroadfurniture
19:33:35 <planetmaker> maybe your newgrf does something it shouldn't. But OpenTTD must not crash then either
19:33:53 <planetmaker> and the changes you made will tell us where it's triggered then
19:34:07 <planetmaker> and give reasonable feedback instead
19:34:46 <samu> when my money is negative, a cargo ship that is ordered to refit stops inside a depot. Could this behaviour be altered?
19:35:48 <planetmaker> it could also stop outside. With the message "crew left due to unpaid wages"
19:37:17 <samu> can't refit anyway, making my money even more negative?
20:01:14 <samu> i have a ship with a conditional order
20:01:36 <samu> jump to order 3 when load percentage is equal to 0
20:01:59 <samu> the ship had 1 bag of mail
20:02:15 <samu> not totally empty, but jumpted to order 3 anyway :(
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20:10:52 <Eddi|zuHause> if the conditional order is order 2, then it'll jump to order 3 in either case
20:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i think the evaluation is in %, so you might have seen a rounding effect
20:12:14 <samu> it is a ship doing gold and mail
20:13:48 <samu> it refits to mail and picks mail if there's any, then unloads mail where it loads gold
20:14:16 <samu> if there's no mail, it skips unloading mail and refit instead
20:17:19 <samu> join my game, it is a 1.3.1RC1 game, you can see
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