IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-05-29
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14:12:00 <samu> fatal application failure
14:12:57 <__ln__> you seem alive despite that
14:13:14 <samu> I typed in console stop_ai 2
14:14:15 <samu> before that I was dealying with frame_freq
14:15:27 <samu> i had someone join my game earlier with an error and fail
14:16:02 <samu> can't remember the error, it was something about invalid frame or invalid packet,
14:16:19 <samu> do you have a list of errors I could point you which one it was
14:17:51 <samu> gonna try upload to flyspray
14:18:01 <samu> but my internet is doing real bad today
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14:29:41 <samu> took 5 minutes to upload
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16:43:05 <Amis> Hey there! Is it possible to set industries to funding only (turn off generation of new industries) after the game has started?
16:46:27 <frosch123> some industry sets have such kind of settings
16:46:29 <Amis> Well then, I looked really hard, is there any newgrf that slows down the spawning of industries?
16:46:47 <frosch123> are you playing with default industrieS?
16:47:01 <frosch123> then try "manual industries"
16:47:50 <Amis> Description seems promising
16:49:09 <Amis> Yes, this does seem to be the thing I was looking for, thank you!
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17:13:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25302 trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp (2013-05-29 17:13:53 UTC)
17:14:00 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5565]: Build railway fences next to objects, even if they are owned by the same company.
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17:45:36 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25303 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2013-05-29 17:45:26 UTC)
17:45:37 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:38 <DorpsGek> korean - 5 changes by telk5093
17:45:39 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 9 changes by GunChleoc
17:45:40 <DorpsGek> swedish - 4 changes by Joel_A
17:45:41 <DorpsGek> turkish - 40 changes by niw3
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17:58:34 <samu> how do I seach r25236 fix? ty for fixing it
18:01:23 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.3.0, 1.3.1-RC1
18:01:23 *** DorpsGek changes topic to "1.3.0, 1.3.1-RC1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices"
18:03:14 <samu> I can't download anything until next month
18:03:43 <samu> unless by miracle, let me try
18:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you used up your internet for this month?
18:04:55 <samu> i'm downloading, do you see me downloading?
18:05:16 <samu> 3 hours 50 min remaining...
18:05:18 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: at the end of the internet, there is always so much month left
18:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: happy 2016 :p
18:06:00 <samu> 4 hours 56 min... nope, it's not gonna download
18:07:39 <samu> how does my ISP does this limitation? how to circumvent it?
18:08:33 <samu> hmm, how exactly do I do that?
18:09:02 <frosch123> most of the times you replace the http with a https
18:09:53 <frosch123> especially make sure the download link uses https
18:10:21 <frosch123> though no idea whether the mirrors serve that :)
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18:14:14 <samu> it says ftp.snt.utwente.nl not ready to accept https connections i think
18:14:33 <Eddi|zuHause> use a different mirror?
18:14:57 <samu> TLS or SSL stuff i don't know
18:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the mirrors are listed on the "links" page
18:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> somehow i can't access de mirror
18:19:58 <frosch123> likely it is down for years, and the page is not up to date
18:21:41 <frosch123> well, wait 3 days then :p
18:22:36 <samu> woah this one is working so far
18:25:19 <samu> this one doesn't know the full size
18:25:48 <samu> the utwente knows it needs to download 5.35 MB
18:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> that's one of the reasons i didn't buy into this LTE crap. they offered 5GB, 10GB or 15GB per month.
18:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> GREAT, i'd have fast internet for a whole two days!!
18:28:19 <samu> my isp offers me 1 GB per month
18:28:42 <Rubidium> that still sounds kinda slow
18:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i already had 60GB per month on my "DSL light" (384kbit/s) line
18:28:45 <samu> but I always exceed it to about 15 GB, that's when it slows
18:29:35 <Rubidium> like 10 years ago I had 15 GB / week of internet (and a massively filled "local network")
18:30:34 <Rubidium> 5 GB in two days is only 30 kB/s
18:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well if i watch 2-3 shows per day, and each one is 1-2GB in size...
18:30:41 <samu> "this transfer was interrupted... :(" the utwente one
18:31:27 <Rubidium> even (E)GPRS is able to reach 30 kB/s
18:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm currently around 80GB per month, with the faster internet
18:31:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, HD kinda makes those things kinda big
18:31:57 <samu> us.binaries.openttd.org is at 10.1 KB/s
18:33:13 <samu> 5,35 MB (5.610.501 bytes)
18:33:47 <samu> can i load a save game from 1.3.0 into 1.3.thisone?
18:34:23 <samu> i would have to eject ppl out of this game
18:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the provider recently announced plans to limit stuff at 75GB/month for 16mbit lines
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18:36:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: by that time they upgraded the 16 mbit to 32 or even 64 mbit, so don't worry ;)
18:36:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well the upgrade from 64kbit to 384kbit took 5 years, and the upgrade from 384kbit to 16mbit another 5 years
18:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> for 50mbit lines it was 200GB/month or something
18:38:40 <Rubidium> those artifical limitations are kinda annoying though
18:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, which is why the announcement was not received very well :p
18:39:39 <samu> if my isp doesn't know how much it needs to download, it will always download?
18:39:57 <Eddi|zuHause> especially the part where they said "well OUR TV over IP service won't be affected by the limit, but OTHER such services will (unless they pay us)"
18:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause> samu: that is nothing we could know or check
18:41:12 <LordAro> samu: generally they either charge you excessive rates or throttle your connection if you go over your limit
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18:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> samu: more likely is that they just can't monitor https traffic the same way as http traffic
18:42:26 <frosch123> yeah, i would hope that you cannot tell the type of content in a https transfer
18:43:02 <samu> but it was downloading without knowing how much
18:43:25 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: there was some guy on 28C3 who talked about how to monitor skype traffic without decrypting it
18:44:17 <samu> I had some other strange downloads before, but I could never explain why some worked and others didn't
18:45:00 <samu> I remember downloading WoW after my limit
18:45:48 <samu> but then I couldn't download something as simple as superpi
18:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that's the one
18:46:24 <samu> I bet I can watch that video
18:49:37 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: and allegedly, china has become pretty good at detecting TOR traffic, even if it's disguised as an SSH session
18:50:05 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25304 /trunk/src (58 files in 3 dirs) (2013-05-29 18:49:58 UTC)
18:50:06 <DorpsGek> -Change: Move the GS goals window from the subsidies to the league menu.
18:51:28 <samu> damn fok, 42 minutes video, incredible, I can see it
18:52:13 <frosch123> maybe the clock on their server is 3 days off
18:53:34 <samu> 28c3 Chaos communications something, that green logo
18:54:26 <samu> some guy on stage, some slides top right corner saying RUAC or RUAG?
18:57:29 <samu> does the video have audio?
19:02:07 <samu> okay, that video made my system go mute
19:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> use the html5 version
19:04:22 <samu> wait, sorry, not totally correct
19:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> video is 139,9MiB on my HDD
19:04:45 <samu> I don't get audio playing anymore on my system, except OpenTTD sounds
19:05:02 <samu> I decided to play openttd midi, doesn't play
19:05:35 <samu> let me try restart browser
19:05:43 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: how do you switch to html5?
19:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: no idea, some configuration page or so
19:07:04 <frosch123> yeah, just fuond that :)
19:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i always use youtube-dl, anywaay
19:14:33 <samu> i don't know exactly where to look at
19:15:01 <samu> I'm looking at Process Explorer and those sound processes
19:15:54 <samu> I have sound, but only on OpenTTD, which is still running, but... the sound coming out seems delayed, or plays all in bursts
19:17:14 <samu> can't start playing any midi, just doesn't play anything
19:17:53 <samu> but the track tittles seem to be rotating
19:18:09 <samu> the game thinks it's playing midi, it isn't
19:22:34 <samu> what happens if I kill audiodg.exe ?
19:22:43 <samu> looks like that's the faulting process
19:26:28 <samu> OMG YES!!! fixed it without restart
19:27:13 <samu> YES, I can play openttd midi too
19:31:09 <glx> but I knew it was not openttd
19:31:38 <glx> your system is really weird anyway ;)
19:32:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25305 /trunk/src/script (api/script_object.cpp squirrel.cpp) (2013-05-29 19:31:58 UTC)
19:32:05 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5561]: Game Script APIs that execute a DoCommand were returning the same result as in TestMode during world generation
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