IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-03-28
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14:26:38 <DorpsGek> V453000: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Pikka> I do not want to watch a half-hour video for the one little piece of information I need and which probably isn't in there anyway
14:26:42 <DorpsGek> V453000: Pokka was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Pokka> that's torn it
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15:54:24 <alandarev> what trainset NewGRF I need for ECS vectors?
16:11:22 <alandarev> can someone help me install CityBuilder GS? I can't get on how
16:11:30 <alandarev> I have put it into newgrf folder, but can't see in-game
16:14:59 <V453000> I think NUTS should work for ECS perfectly but I never play with ECS myself
16:15:17 <V453000> regarding a game script, it is not a newGRF but a game script so it is under AI/Game Scripts menu
16:17:28 <alandarev> V453000: yah, but I can't find it there... I have put the tar file into Docs/OpenTTD/newgrx/ folder
16:17:44 <alandarev> should I put somewhere else? I also can't see it in Check Online Content feature, maybe it's not for 1.2.3?
16:17:58 <V453000> isnt there any script like that on the content download?
16:18:25 <V453000> idk where exactly they are but that locations sounds about right, I would expect data/GS or something like that though
16:19:57 <alandarev> should i ungzip it or .tar.gz is fine?
16:20:58 <alandarev> I went into sourcecode: function GetAPIVersion(){ return "1.3"; } I guess it means OpenTTD has to be 1.3?
16:25:09 <alandarev> which industry vector would you suggest using? FIRS, ECS, PBI?
16:26:09 <V453000> or opengfx+ industries if you want the more variety
16:26:27 <V453000> point is, the original growth mechanism is by far superior and most fun
16:26:39 <V453000> FIRS isnt bad either though
16:27:04 <V453000> PBI is nice in the aspect that it tries to add at least something extra, but has many stupid features which completely break it
16:28:07 <V453000> ECS is outright wtf, not commenting on that :d
16:29:25 <alandarev> yah ECS is oldy, not in dev. and I got shocked when entered a game with ECS and saw a factory producing Goods without requiring any resource...
16:30:53 <V453000> it has many weird things, for me the worse ones are things like winter/summer production for farms, and to make it nicer, the summer can mean like 7000 units of cargo per month in summer months
16:31:47 <V453000> but, ECS is in development from time to time george releases some new version... it has been a while since I played it last so it is possible that he fixed some of the things, but since they seem to be conceptually intentional I doubt it
16:34:26 <alandarev> OpenGRX+ looks like best solution :)
16:36:36 <alandarev> V453000: ok, I know what GS I want to run and what newgrx, how do I now port those settings to my dedicated linux server?
16:37:03 <V453000> I think the best option is through savegame
16:37:19 <V453000> just start the game in singleplayer, save, upload that save to the server
16:37:25 <V453000> then load it on the server
16:37:33 <alandarev> V453000: will server download missing files?
16:37:57 <V453000> you need to put them there first
16:38:04 <V453000> otherwise the loading of map just fails
16:38:52 <alandarev> but if I push the saved game to server, what hapeens to the 'first' company which was me on my localm achine?
16:39:09 <V453000> the game will load with that one company
16:39:38 <V453000> and if you load a game from server with X companies in SP, you automatically play as 1st company, and can access any other company through cheat menu
16:40:47 <alandarev> what is 'variety of distribution' setting in world generation menu?
16:41:17 <V453000> well, the idea was that it should distribute things equally over the map
16:41:23 <V453000> real result is that it makes the map stupidly flat
16:41:34 <V453000> I never use variety distribution ever
16:42:49 <V453000> it isnt short, I know :)
16:43:01 <alandarev> V453000: nawh, what I wnat to know now is hosting a game :D as 2 friends are waiting to play a game, and I need to host it :D
16:43:11 <alandarev> I am trying to make us simple city-challenge map
16:43:24 <V453000> I didnt say you need to read it now :P
16:43:46 <V453000> honestly, just have fun without game scripts :P
16:44:40 <alandarev> OpenGRX+ Industries adds kind of 1-2 things? Can't see a large difference if any
16:45:29 <V453000> you need to set parameter settings
16:45:43 <alandarev> ok I afraid I bugged my game, I got only OpenGFX+ things enabled, and in 1900 I can not build any train or bus, wtf?
16:46:16 <alandarev> ok, will read some readme's
16:46:34 <V453000> most sets do not have vehicles in 1900s
16:46:52 <V453000> 1920 at least, but usually more... opengfx+ is basically only original vehicles, so same dates as those
16:47:08 <V453000> meaning first train in 1926 in temperate, and 1945 in arctic/tropc
16:47:26 <V453000> I actually dont remember toyland
16:47:39 <alandarev> oh really? I though game was back into ~1800
16:48:21 <alandarev> I remember I had horses in my old tycoon games
16:48:23 <V453000> there might be newGRFs which do include that but I dont really know what would you do all that timee
16:48:38 <V453000> most train sets start in 1920 and end in 2000s
16:49:17 <V453000> I start our server in 1920 99% of the time
16:49:32 <V453000> exception when there is some early newGRF like UKRS2 or NARS2, then I move it to 1900
16:49:36 <alandarev> V453000: I tried 1930 in Desert, no trains were
16:50:29 <alandarev> where can I find information in parameters for OpenGFX+ Industries?
16:50:45 <V453000> you mean parameter settings?
16:51:10 <V453000> the newGRF window has buttons like readme, website, changelog, and parameter settings
16:51:36 <alandarev> I remember years ago, it was a hardcore putting 0's and 1's
16:51:41 <alandarev> and god knows what they meant
16:52:29 <V453000> but yeah the UI is a bit more user friendly
16:52:58 <V453000> esp for newGRFs with more complicated settings which did not fit in newGRF description and had to be in the readmes
17:02:37 <alandarev> (settings) what is subsidy multiplyer?
17:03:33 <V453000> subsidies are offers for better profit
17:03:45 <V453000> if you connect X to Y you get better payment for the first year
17:05:49 <V453000> if you imagined that all players on the server followed it, it would be ridiculous
17:06:06 <V453000> subsidy offered, everyone "OMG LETS BUILD THERE" and 15 companies trying to connect it asap
17:06:34 <V453000> obviously 2 is already enough for a nice rage conflict
17:06:47 <V453000> even 1 is a problem because he will likely run into someone else on the way
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17:07:15 <alandarev> yah, yesterday I was on multiplayer server... there was a factory with lots of goods, 3 people using it, so I though i could plug myself in
17:07:27 <alandarev> when I started building a station, one guy built rails eveyrwhere around
17:07:43 <alandarev> dunno who was right in that situation
17:08:18 <Gl0we> hey does anyone know if you can change zbase's company colors to something less neon
17:08:54 <V453000> definitely not without changing openttd code or zbase itself Gl0we
17:09:01 <alandarev> V453000: ok, how do I load game on my server? files are there... ./openttd -D ..?
17:09:38 <alandarev> I got access to console
17:10:04 <alandarev> and how do I set the host name, password, amount of players, etc
17:10:16 <V453000> I have no idea what could be your even if default rcon password though
17:10:30 <V453000> also through the console I think
17:10:37 <V453000> it all has its commands
17:10:45 <alandarev> heh ok, sorry for bothering you much
17:10:47 <V453000> rcon <password> set -name of setting-
17:11:24 <V453000> it isnt that you are bothering me, it is that I dont know too much about these things myself, we have set up IRC bridge so I set all commands from the IRC comfortably
17:13:59 <alandarev> how do I change hostname?
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18:11:17 <alandarev> can I speedup multiplayer server?
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18:45:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25126 /trunk/src/lang (galician.txt welsh.txt) (2013-03-28 18:45:12 UTC)
18:45:21 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:22 <DorpsGek> galician - 274 changes by Michi
18:45:23 <DorpsGek> welsh - 30 changes by kazzie
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19:04:37 <alandarev> can I speedup multiplayer server?
19:08:20 <Belugas> [14:11] <alandarev> can I speedup multiplayer server?
19:09:08 <Belugas> no matter how often you ask, the answer will not change ;)
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19:14:21 <LordAro> unless you only ask once a year, but even then, it is still unlikely to change
19:15:20 <LordAro> actually, how difficult would it be to add a 'x2' gamespeed mode?
19:15:29 <Belugas> alandarev, does this answer your question?
19:20:39 <alandarev> Belugas: sorry, my internet crashed that time I asked
19:21:37 <LordAro> wow, a(n apparently) legit excuse :P
19:22:06 <alandarev> I got another question, wht is a condition of bankrupt? negative money at 1st of Jan?
19:22:53 <LordAro> the wiki will tell you, but i believe it's if you're in the negative for 3 3-months
19:23:00 <LordAro> if that makes sense :P
19:23:44 <LordAro> e.g. negative at January, April & July you will go bust
19:25:07 <alandarev> LordAro: so tht is a bit rough. If i go negative at 31st of Decembe,r next day i instant bankrupt?
19:27:00 <LordAro> if you are negative at 1st January, 1st April and 1st July, _consecutively_, you will go bankrupt
19:27:24 <LordAro> unless, of course, you are in single player, in which case you will never go bankrupt
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19:44:31 <MinchinWeb> I thought they added a condition that you had to have your loan maxed out before you'd go bankrupt too
19:45:45 <Alberth> afaik in the sense that you cannot go beyond max loan negative, afaik
19:49:12 <LordAro> MinchinWeb: that does sound familiar... :L
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19:58:49 <Alberth> MinchinWeb: (svn r24617) -Change: Only bankrupt, if you have negative money considering you took max loan
20:10:34 <Alberth> thank ZxBioHazard, he wrote it
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21:39:28 <alandarev> is it me or aircrafts are equivalent to cheats at their strength?
21:40:25 <Alberth> aircrafts are overpowered indeed
21:41:18 <Alberth> whether that is 'cheating' is a very different problem :)
21:41:45 <Alberth> ie if you play by yourself, you make the rules
21:42:22 <alandarev> that's why i don't build them, it's just too easy
21:42:52 <Alberth> or if everybody does it in a MP game, there is no advantage either
21:43:09 <Alberth> building trains is just more fun imho :)
21:43:54 <Alberth> you can change the costs with a basecost newgrf if you want
21:44:44 <alandarev> ah, i increased the airport station maintenance in opengrf+ aircrats
21:44:47 <Alberth> and the limited range of some sets makes that you cannot fly across the map any more
21:44:51 <alandarev> but it doesn't make much of a difference
21:47:48 <__ln__> alandarev: but the plural of aircraft is...
21:48:28 <alandarev> __ln__: OH MY GOD! :)
21:50:34 <alandarev> I am very looking forward to set up nicely-working citybuilder server, but I fail at finding working scripts. For instance the "CityBuilder" available here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=62868&start=0 I cant find it in-game searching in content manager. Moreover I even fail installing it manually (I seem to be putting to right directory) but in gamescripts list, it doesn't appear. Can someone advice me on what am I doing wrong?
21:55:52 <alandarev> can I have 1.3 and 1.2.3 installed in same time?
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21:59:12 <alandarev> "current base graphics is missing sprites" launched 1.3, but I got latest open graphics...?
22:01:41 <alandarev> (solved the graphics issue)
22:02:28 <Alberth> just install different openttd versions in different directories
22:03:05 <Alberth> the readme explains how the program looks for graphics and other data files, so you can set it up to share such stuff
22:03:13 <glx> don't "install" just unzip :)
22:03:58 <alandarev> the issue comes into different versions now using same configs/etc (documents/OpenTTD)
22:04:18 <glx> you can have a config per version
22:04:25 <Alberth> copy the config next to the binary
22:04:28 <glx> as explained in the readme
22:05:03 <alandarev> I am currently downloading latest zBase, it's in zip. do I need to unzip it and tar before using?
22:05:32 <Alberth> unzip yes, tar is optional
22:40:48 <alandarev> is it me or I can't find difficulty button in 1.3 main menu
23:00:32 <LordAro> alandarev: indeed. the difficulty settings have been merged into advanced settings
23:16:48 <alandarev> LordAro: going through citybuilder readme: "set script settings to default in game difficulty"
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23:57:43 <Randy> Hello, new player here. I am enjoying the game but I have a question about goods trucks and the sawmill if someone can help I'd appreciate it
23:58:29 <Randy> When I have my goods trucks pick up at the sawmill and deliver to a nearby town I see the truck unload but I don't see where I made any $$ should I?
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