IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2013-03-02
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00:39:44 <Bad_Brett> Hmm... perhaps... i have very little knowledge in those things
01:02:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the sprite cache is in openttd.cfg
01:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> double this number until the problems stop
02:03:08 <Bad_Brett> really? had no idea
02:03:11 <Bad_Brett> i will try it, thanks
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08:40:58 <Lo> Hey, one question: For the next titlegame competition, can I also use non-standard trains (newgrf)?
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08:45:36 <Alberth> also, we have a different competition this year
08:45:49 <Lo> oh, okay, what's it about? :)
08:46:51 <andythenorth> so what should FIRS Tropic economy be?
08:46:54 <andythenorth> - self-contained industrial economy, meeting all basic needs? Or totally dependent on extracting cheap raw materials and exporting them, in exchange for high-value goods from overseas?
08:47:33 <andythenorth> Supercheese: that is for 'Tropical Island' economy
08:47:37 <andythenorth> which will come later :P
08:48:34 <Alberth> the second option would be nicely different from other economies, imho
08:49:19 <andythenorth> kind of politically repressive?
08:49:24 <Alberth> especially when 'export' can be done at a few places only ;)
08:50:38 <Lo> @Alberth Can you please tell me of that contest topic? :)
08:51:11 <andythenorth> I think it needs a ranch
08:51:21 <Alberth> I don't know the details, sorry. I thought it was already postedm but I cannot find it
08:52:15 <Lo> Okay, thanks anyway... Looking forward to 1.3, really!
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09:20:01 <andythenorth> so I am thinking it makes more sense for FIRS Tropic to be mostly self-contained
09:20:15 <andythenorth> I can do an 'Export' economy separately
09:21:14 <andythenorth> problem is, it's not interesting :P
09:22:06 <andythenorth> where is tropic? Australia? North Africa? Texas?
09:22:11 <andythenorth> Sub-Arctic is easy :P
09:28:16 <frosch123> tropic is south-america
09:28:39 <frosch123> it's defined by rubber, fruit and gold (hmm, or diamonds?)
09:29:18 <andythenorth> I don't need realism, just a starting point
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09:30:09 <andythenorth> fruit straight to a port? Or to a processor that produces food?
09:42:33 <andythenorth> fish is a big export for some tropical nations
09:43:57 <frosch123> maybe ports should accept one primary, one secondary and one ternary cargo
09:44:10 <frosch123> so, decide fruit/food depending on what slot is left?
09:47:43 <Pikka> andythenorth: I think minimising the differences between the climates is a good idea
09:48:04 * frosch123 wouild have said the reverse :p
09:48:45 <Pikka> coming up with three/four "different" yet complete and interesting industry schemes is for the horses
09:48:57 <andythenorth> that's what I'm doing
09:49:41 <Pikka> 99% of made-up people only play temperate anyway
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09:50:14 <andythenorth> so these are 'economies' via parameter
09:50:27 <andythenorth> they're not sensitive to the climate
09:50:33 <Pikka> also I demand FIRS-toyland :]
09:50:54 <andythenorth> I have called 3 of the economies Temperate, Arctic and Tropic
09:50:58 <Pikka> I should be making all my vehicles available in toyland
09:50:59 <andythenorth> to ensure I get a good number of bug reports
09:51:11 <Pikka> climate 07 is a bad habit
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09:51:49 <Pikka> I have called two of my 10CC sets "tropical" and "alpine" D;
09:54:19 <andythenorth> I think that's good
09:54:33 <andythenorth> shall I do a Pineapple economy
09:54:46 <andythenorth> exports: pineapple, minerals, hydrocarbons
09:55:03 <andythenorth> imports: truck drivers, british expats, software
10:00:46 <andythenorth> tropic without oil
10:00:57 <andythenorth> that's going to work nicely
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10:15:00 <Pikka> imports: fully sick rims mate
10:15:41 <andythenorth> imports: powerboats, jet skis
10:16:03 <andythenorth> exports: episodic TV
10:16:17 <andythenorth> hmm, TV Studio industry
10:16:20 <andythenorth> or Media industry
10:16:28 <Pikka> nah, they make neighbours in melbourne :)
10:16:29 <andythenorth> exports: diminutive media barons
10:16:39 <andythenorth> oh yeah, you're QLD only :P
10:16:52 <Pikka> well melbourne isn't exactly pineapple territory :P
10:17:28 <andythenorth> I wonder if I can make a sane economy consisting only of ports
10:18:15 <andythenorth> oh how we larfed
10:18:38 <andythenorth> UKRS 2 without all the extras, ftw
10:19:05 <andythenorth> played it last night
10:20:55 <andythenorth> frosch123: your shiny new subtype refit...
10:21:01 <andythenorth> makes me want to add more subtypes ;)
10:21:56 <frosch123> i thought views are the new kid in town
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10:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well "views" would be available on the purchase menu, so you could alter the articulated callback
10:34:41 <__ln__> survey for people in euro countries: how often do you have at least one 100€ bill in your wallet? 1) always, 2) every week, 3) every month, 4) every year, 5) every 10 years?
10:35:02 <__ln__> (having 2x50€ doesn't count)
10:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i certainly had one this year
10:37:41 <__ln__> i have one now and had one in 2002... so 5-ish
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10:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it probably depends how often you do larger (>100€) transactions in cash. there's bound to be a 100€ bill in there every now and then
10:49:29 <__ln__> you don't get 100€ bills from ATMs over here (finland), so they are quite rare in many people's everyday life.. and card payments are commonly used for big transactions in particular.
10:49:34 <andythenorth> frosch123: views are vapourware, no?
10:50:23 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: pretty much :)
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10:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: although, strictly, that would mean there was a release day proposed :p
10:52:32 <frosch123> __ln__: you get 100€ at ATM here if you get bigger amounts
10:52:54 <frosch123> but i never need such amounts in cash
10:53:19 <frosch123> i only pay stuff < 30€ in cash
10:54:41 <frosch123> but yeah, i believe i have had more 500€ than 100€, and i cannot remember having had a 200€ one
10:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you had an actual 500€?
10:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> only drug dealers have those :p
10:56:46 <NGC3982> I have barely seen Euro currency.
10:56:50 <frosch123> i sold a car some years ago in cache
10:57:06 <frosch123> so i had around 3000€ in cash, mostly 500€, some 50€
10:57:20 <NGC3982> 500 bills seems very risky.
10:57:40 <NGC3982> I would never use them. Although, i never use cash at all.
10:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause> why would they be more risky than others?
10:57:54 <Psyk> and most of them have cocain remains on them :D
10:58:02 <NGC3982> Same risk, higher value.
10:58:05 <frosch123> hmm, oh, and i believe i had to pay my kitchen in cash
10:58:40 <NGC3982> I guess i talk for myself when i say that cash is kind of stupid.
10:58:59 <frosch123> it's faster for small amounts :)
11:00:30 <frosch123> e.g. in supermarkets: most people avoid lines with people who buy a big pile of stuff. but i think payment takes longest independent of the amount you buy, so i prefer to take the line with the least people, indepenent of how much they buy
11:00:35 <__ln__> it's not even faster if the card payment terminal is a good one. (many aren't)
11:01:09 <andythenorth> is it germany where nobody uses cards?
11:01:18 <andythenorth> someone went there recently and was telling me about it
11:01:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: noone uses credit cards. we use bank transfers for everything
11:01:50 <frosch123> but in the execution it is somewhat the same i think
11:02:23 <peter1138> somewhat completely different
11:02:51 <andythenorth> so what is this 'view's thing anyway o_O
11:03:00 <__ln__> i spend less than 50€ in cash per month. 32€ of that goes to recharging local traffic bus card.
11:03:17 <frosch123> i buy all food in cash
11:03:31 <frosch123> including restaurants
11:03:44 <peter1138> i hardly ever use cash
11:04:31 <peter1138> i've got about £5 in my wallet which has been there a couple of months
11:04:34 <frosch123> paying by card in restaurant would be beyond weird unless you pay for a > 20 people party
11:04:40 <andythenorth> I need to compile FIRS. Better plug my laptop in
11:05:17 <peter1138> i've paid by card for payments less than £2
11:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess about 50% of the times i pay in cash in the supermarket or the gas station
11:05:44 <__ln__> even Lidl accepts credit cards here
11:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> places usually have rules that card payments must be 10€ or more
11:05:57 <peter1138> garages have pay-at-pump so no cash needed there
11:06:09 <frosch123> i would guess about 20% pay with card in supermarkets
11:06:40 <andythenorth> forgot my virtualenv :P
11:10:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> would it be hard to create tunnels similar to bridges (flat land tunnels)?
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11:12:01 * MNIM would like to know this as well
11:12:29 <peter1138> judging by how many people have done it...
11:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> so the more people have done something, the easier it must be?
11:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that means daylength is the easiest patch out there!
11:20:23 <frosch123> no, there more people have done something, the least they thought before starting coding
11:34:59 <andythenorth> is it lame to have two kinds of port in a basic economy?
11:35:12 <andythenorth> 2 out of 18 industries would be ports :P
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11:42:16 <frosch123> what would be their names?
11:46:08 <andythenorth> "sheep farm" -> "Llama Ranch"
11:46:38 <frosch123> maybe divide the map into north and south
11:46:48 <frosch123> and make ports only appear on one half :p
11:47:09 <andythenorth> seems every economy has livestock and the meat packer industry
11:49:49 <V453000> andythenorth: I LIKE THE EXCESSIVE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS
11:50:34 <V453000> also that head in the bottom right is going to haunt me in nightmares now
11:50:47 <V453000> that yellow lego face is beyond batshit creepy
11:50:57 <V453000> frosch123: excellent :)
11:51:09 <andythenorth> V453000: I have that in my house
11:52:42 <V453000> like standing in the house?
11:52:53 <V453000> I expect a giant figure in a size of average human
11:53:16 <V453000> maybe double size to guarantee wtf value
11:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: your subtype strings miss the mandatory space at the beginning
11:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause> either the lego figures got bigger or the kods got smaller... :p
11:55:30 <frosch123> oh... now i figured out where all that horse meat lasagna comes from...
11:55:31 <V453000> btw the colours are in NUTS for _AGES_ :P
11:55:31 <andythenorth> that is what a child neglected for TTD looks like :P
11:56:06 <frosch123> the mafia has only use for the heads, so they need to get rid of the left-over horse
11:58:10 <Pikka> there's only one surviving A7V and it's in Brisbane, for reasons I've never understood
11:58:31 <andythenorth> survivor of the famous australian tank battle of 1952
11:58:33 <Pikka> I don't think it's on display any more, it's somewhere in the basement of the Queensland Museum
11:58:41 <__ln__> omg, did germans get as far as australia
11:58:50 <andythenorth> yes they invaded austrlalia 7 times
11:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: WWI involved all german colonies, of course :p
11:59:38 <andythenorth> also your Tropic economy will mostly be farms
11:59:46 <andythenorth> this is ok, no yes
12:00:21 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: farm->port, and make all secondary industries funding-only?
12:00:37 <__ln__> andythenorth: i don't think godwin applies to WWI.
12:01:45 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: so they did not research that guy who makes colonies independent from wars in europe, and make them always offer peace for money?
12:02:10 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yeah...
12:04:38 <Pikka> andythenorth, I agree very much with these bolgs
12:05:28 <Pikka> particularly the bits about steampunk being crap
12:06:48 <andythenorth> I invented steampunk once
12:06:52 <andythenorth> before I knew it was a thing
12:07:20 <andythenorth> I went to a sugarcane mill in mauritius
12:07:25 <andythenorth> it basically was steam punk, for real
12:07:57 <Pikka> __ln__, during WWI, there was a colony of Germany and a colony of Queensland which were neighbours. but there was no fighting and definitely no tanks, it's not really tank terrain.
12:08:40 <Pikka> actually, there was fighting, it seems
12:08:50 <andythenorth> india is basically diesel punk, propane punk...
12:08:56 <andythenorth> and manual labour punk
12:08:57 <frosch123> does squid 2 feature a steam hovercraft?
12:09:17 <andythenorth> frosch123: it could
12:09:43 <frosch123> steam powered unicorns?
12:10:46 <Pikka> the New Guinea campaign of WWI...
12:10:55 <Pikka> casualties reached double figures, but only just.
12:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> most "colonial" WWI action was probably in southeast africa
12:17:53 <V453000> frosch123: Alberth: not a good idea :P
12:18:59 <frosch123> do i have popcorn around
12:19:20 <Alberth> I need some coffee, tbh :)
12:19:36 <frosch123> oh, i thought you were the tea guy
12:19:51 <Alberth> only in the evening :)
12:27:07 <andythenorth> Tropic has become 'export everything'
12:27:13 <andythenorth> that was the opposite of my intentions :P
12:27:33 <Alberth> you made a different economy than you expected to make :p
12:32:29 <frosch123> so, what to do with my 666th post?
12:32:58 <Pikka> does mb really not know how to write var2s? D:
12:38:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25058 trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp (2013-03-02 12:38:40 UTC)
12:38:47 <DorpsGek> -Add: tree nodes in the refit GUI for subtype refits.
12:40:35 <andythenorth> Pikka: just do AV10
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12:49:19 <andythenorth> 2 ports smells of wee
12:49:39 <andythenorth> I could randomise accepted cargo
12:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> have a food port and a bulk port?
12:57:28 <Eddi|zuHause> randomising accepted cargo sounds like a horrible idea
12:57:36 <Pikka> I'd want the graphics to clearly indicate which cargos it accepted though, for minimal weesmell
12:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> regearing-cargo-kind of horrible
13:00:24 <andythenorth> graphics are fine
13:00:35 <andythenorth> I can handle that
13:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not like you run out of industry types
13:00:57 <andythenorth> I only have 14 in this economy so far
13:01:21 <andythenorth> same as Squid, I have managed to cut to fewer than my goal :P
13:01:40 <andythenorth> 17-18 industries is a nice number for 'Basic'
13:02:08 <andythenorth> Pikka: how many in Gecko thing?
13:02:37 <Pikka> not sure yet, mostly just default temperate-ish ones
13:03:07 <NGC3982> Pikka's Bureau of Investigation?
13:06:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i always liked about PBI that it's "more, but not overloaded"
13:08:03 <NGC3982> Did i accidently change some setting or something?
13:08:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so what are we supposed to see?
13:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what version are you playing anyway?
13:10:36 <NGC3982> Windows 7, nothing special, etc.
13:11:18 <NGC3982> I was bought by a player.
13:11:22 <NGC3982> And did not realize it
13:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so you were bankrupt?
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13:43:22 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i have more posts than MB even though he is there 2 years longer
13:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's all frosch123's fault, or i would have never noticed
13:45:31 * NGC3982 finaly makes a forum account.
13:45:55 <frosch123> preserve your virginity!
13:46:14 <frosch123> maybe "innocence" is the better word though
13:46:26 <frosch123> but i had to look that up first :)
13:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, only join a forum when you know you want to spend the rest of your life with it ;o
13:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i always lose badly in "number of lines"
13:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> but "number of words" is pretty close
13:47:31 <frosch123> i think michi_cc had a good ratio there
13:47:49 <frosch123> back when i was so bored that i checked the top20 :p
13:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause> "michi_cc wrote the longest lines, averaging 111.7 letters per line."
13:48:15 <frosch123> oh, so i was not that bored at least :)
13:48:45 <frosch123> i was already questioning whether i really had done that computation
13:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> most referenced nicknames is useless as always
13:49:34 <frosch123> @calc (111.7 * 2058 + 5) / (2058 + 4)
13:49:34 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 111.485741998
13:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 1554 times!
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14:31:12 <NGC3982> You guys know the little graphic anomalies that comes with using Putty (and Irssi) in Windows?
14:31:15 <NGC3982> 14:56 < Janne> Jag klarade mig iaf :)
14:31:57 <TinoDidriksen> What graphic anomalies? PuTTy works fine for me...
14:32:11 <NGC3982> I have always noted small coloured dots at few places.
14:32:18 <__ln__> i wouldn't call swedish text an anomaly
14:32:35 <__ln__> not a graphic anomaly anyway
14:33:26 <NGC3982> The red circle, for instance.
14:33:49 <NGC3982> I succefully fooled my girl friend that it was a product of the background radiation.
14:33:58 <TinoDidriksen> That dot moves with the window?
14:34:18 <TinoDidriksen> Then it's your screen going bad.
14:34:22 <NGC3982> It cam sometimes be lines, dots, and similar.
14:34:37 <NGC3982> Yes, i know. It only acts like that in Putty
14:34:44 <NGC3982> And has been on every Windows computer i have ever used.
14:35:01 <frosch123> start paint and create an entirely black picture
14:35:03 <TinoDidriksen> Hm, could just be some Irssi thing then...
14:35:06 <frosch123> maybe you only notice it on black
14:35:19 <NGC3982> It is only related to Irssi on Putty.
14:35:26 <NGC3982> Been experimenting with that for years
14:35:44 <NGC3982> It is actually quite interesting.
14:36:07 <NGC3982> Oh, wait. It's the terminal too.
14:37:29 <__ln__> TinoDidriksen: irssi definitely doesn't operate on the level of pixels.
14:37:40 <TinoDidriksen> Haven't noticed such anomalies, but then I use white background and probably a different font (Courier New, 10pt, bold).
14:38:00 <NGC3982> I have noticed it for years, and on most computers that i use Putty on.
14:38:39 <NGC3982> "I have noticed it for years" doesn't sound right.
14:38:48 <TinoDidriksen> Sounds correct.
14:39:29 <TinoDidriksen> Better phrased as "I've been noticing it for years", but wasn't wrong.
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14:49:09 <NGC3982> Is there any way to fix CHIPS?
14:49:15 <NGC3982> Like, using an older version or something? :)
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15:46:42 <wakou2> Is there a way to display Local authrity ratings as a % or a more granular way than the default appalling > poor>>>>>> outstanding
15:52:21 <wakou2> Because I had a town the other day, rated me appalling, No matter how many trees I planted, roadworks paid, bribes offered, etc etc , that rating did not change. I left the game running for 3 hours or so, but no change. I wondered if it was possible to see whether any progress was being made AT ALL...
15:52:36 <wakou2> ..... One momentito....
15:56:09 <peter1138> NGC3982, what's wrong with CHIPS
15:56:43 <planetmaker> wakou2, trees need be planted within 20(?) tiles of the town name sign
15:57:01 <NGC3982> I still get the graphical "anomalies" when using the non-track tiles.
15:57:05 <NGC3982> We have discussed this before.
15:57:16 <peter1138> using the latest version?>
15:57:21 <wakou2> Ty PM, I made sure that the tile was owned by the LA....
15:57:30 <NGC3982> I do think so, it's 1.0.1.
15:57:41 <NGC3982> I did not recall any other version in the online content?
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15:58:17 <asiekierka> is there a way to speed up OpenTTD rendering?
15:58:29 <asiekierka> wait nvm might be my GPU
15:58:32 <wakou2> a respondent on the forum told me that they have to be planted on a square that has no tree already on it...... unf this town was in a fairly densely forested area to start....
15:58:44 <NGC3982> andythenorth, peter1138: Thanks.
15:59:52 <peter1138> NGC3982, there is a "select upgrades" button you know ;p
16:00:26 <NGC3982> For dedicated OpenTTD servers? ;-)
16:00:51 <peter1138> not a button though
16:01:07 <NGC3982> That would be helpful.
16:01:20 <NGC3982> At least to add to my bash start script.
16:01:51 <peter1138> doesn't actually tell you what it's downloading mind you
16:02:23 <NGC3982> But, that sound like commands for the console, in-game.
16:02:32 <peter1138> for a dedicated server
16:02:39 <peter1138> bit inconvenient but it works
16:02:55 <NGC3982> Doesn't that mean i have to start the server, update, and then restart again?
16:04:03 <NGC3982> Since a content upgrade would demand changing the actual content during gameplay.
16:07:27 * NGC3982 alerts Russia to invade Finland.
16:07:41 <andythenorth> wood in tropical?
16:17:09 <planetmaker> asiekierka, your GPU has very little influence on OpenTTD speed, including drawing
16:17:28 <andythenorth> water in FIRS Tropic basic?
16:17:35 <andythenorth> water chain is currently missing in FIRS
16:17:37 <planetmaker> water... rather boring, no?
16:17:39 <NGC3982> I actually tried forcing my 310M GPU to run OpenTTD
16:17:49 <andythenorth> planetmaker: need something to make desert towns grow
16:17:52 <planetmaker> it's like coal->powerplant
16:17:53 <NGC3982> And i did not really work that well.
16:17:57 <andythenorth> water, goods, petrol...something
16:18:05 <NGC3982> I like water as a cargo type.
16:18:19 <NGC3982> The more stuff i can send to a city, i'm happier.
16:18:26 <planetmaker> or building materials
16:18:32 <andythenorth> currently FIRS uses goods for desert towns
16:18:50 <asiekierka> planetmaker: my CPU is 2.8GHz Core2Quad
16:18:52 <asiekierka> also 1920x1200 screen
16:18:58 <andythenorth> for this climate
16:19:05 <NGC3982> asiekierka: That would be sufficient?
16:19:10 * andythenorth ponders not having goods in the climate at all
16:20:03 <planetmaker> asiekierka, it highly depends on the actual game you play, map size mostly. And newgrfs used
16:20:21 <planetmaker> and the amount of vehicles (trains, rv, ships, planes) which roam around
16:20:38 <NGC3982> A 2048^2 map with ECS and a fair amount of trains completely kills my computers.
16:20:47 <NGC3982> The latter with greater influence.
16:20:58 <planetmaker> both add quite decently to load
16:21:03 <planetmaker> or rather all three
16:21:27 <NGC3982> My general impression of OpenTTD is that it runs on everything, though.
16:22:04 <planetmaker> yes. But not the map you just outlined. That'll suck on many machines
16:22:17 <andythenorth> default FIRS economy is bonkers
16:22:18 <NGC3982> It's not really a usable scenario, though.
16:22:33 <andythenorth> when I look in minimap, list of industries is completely overwhelming
16:22:37 <NGC3982> I have never seen an ECS game work on a >512^2 map.
16:22:42 <NGC3982> But i guess that is just me.
16:25:38 <andythenorth> coffee plantation
16:26:17 <NGC3982> "Accepts: Moka brewers and beans".
16:29:26 <NGC3982> Oh, you could turn OpenTTD into a modern version of Zeus, master of Olympus.
16:29:29 <NGC3982> Now that game is great.
16:29:47 <NGC3982> Too bad it does not support widescreen or resolution modification.
16:30:30 <NGC3982> Speaking of wich. How does that work, really? I guess Transport Tycoon was a commercial entity at first, and then turned into open-source?
16:31:12 <NGC3982> A "Make Zeus/Rome/Egypt an open-source game" project would be neat to organize, if possible.
16:54:16 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25059 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2013-03-02 16:54:09 UTC)
16:54:17 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5491]: Clarify meaning of string describing waiting cargo received from other stations
16:55:00 <frosch123> aren't you awake way too early?
17:08:28 <NGC3982> I just found a major water leakage in my living room
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18:00:19 <supermop> can i rely on cargo dist to let me transfer half a trainload but deliver the other half at the same station?
18:00:28 <NGC3982> A leaking radiator pipe has dropped down the laminate floor
18:00:48 <supermop> i don't want to have this train run like 6 times before the connection is establised
18:00:57 <NGC3982> There is moist two meters in every direction from the pipe entry, under the floor
18:01:27 <NGC3982> Also, all the way up to the window cupboard
18:13:43 <__ln__> NGC3982: so you'll be living somewhere else for a month soon
18:14:01 <NGC3982> I guess so. People should be here in like five minutes or something
18:15:19 <__ln__> i've got a leaking waterpipe in my kitchen atm, but it's under control now and no significant damage to the floor (there was water under the floor though, so can't be quite sure)
18:24:16 <supermop> if i have a train with a bunch of tank wagons leaving a refinery using FIRS
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18:24:27 <NGC3982> __ln__: You should call someone.
18:24:34 <NGC3982> At least report it, if you rent your apartment.
18:24:44 <supermop> and half carry gasoline, the other half carry chemicals
18:24:48 <NGC3982> I have a guy here right now, wrecking my floor to pieces ATM.
18:25:25 <supermop> it stops at a machine stop
18:25:34 <supermop> i want it to deliver the gas there
18:25:36 <__ln__> NGC3982: i did, they fixed it on friday, but now it's leaking again from a different spot... perhaps the original source of leak was located incorrectly.
18:25:42 <supermop> and transfer the chemicals
18:26:00 <supermop> so trucks can take them to a nearby plastics plant
18:26:03 <NGC3982> __ln__: Sounds plausible.
18:26:37 <__ln__> it's like one drop of water in a minute, so i'm not exactly drowning here.
18:26:39 <supermop> as far as i know, i can either unload everything there, or transfer everything there
18:26:57 <supermop> but not transfer one cargo and deliver the other
18:31:44 <peter1138> __ln__, you need a supermop
18:32:29 <supermop> sounds like a solution
18:32:29 <NGC3982> __ln__: The damage here is caused by a probable waterflow of a single drop per 20 minutes, or so.
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18:43:10 <frosch123> yay, fresh cookies!
18:45:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25060 /trunk/src/lang (8 files) (2013-03-02 18:45:44 UTC)
18:45:58 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:59 <DorpsGek> croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne
18:46:00 <DorpsGek> estonian - 1 changes by notAbot
18:46:01 <DorpsGek> french - 12 changes by OliTTD
18:46:02 <DorpsGek> german - 1 changes by planetmaker
18:46:03 <DorpsGek> greek - 29 changes by Evropi
18:46:04 <DorpsGek> korean - 48 changes by telk5093
18:46:05 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 3 changes by Devastator
18:46:06 <DorpsGek> norwegian_nynorsk - 5 changes by terjesc
18:46:55 <NGC3982> I'm hungry, but i also spent my hungover morning on the newly opened Burger King here in Vxj.
18:47:05 <NGC3982> Three whoppers and a cheeseburger.
18:47:18 <NGC3982> And i can't help feeling that i should not eat anymore today.
18:48:54 <frosch123> i always wonder whether the strategy to only eat cookies you baked yourself would work
18:49:24 <NGC3982> That would make you thin, and me very, very fat.
18:49:52 <peter1138> three whoppers and a cheeseburger? o_O
18:50:17 <NGC3982> Yes. Had to celebrate something, at least.
18:50:45 <NGC3982> And it was 'merica cheap. 1,5 per burger.
18:51:03 <NGC3982> Of course, i did not eat any fries and sh*t like that.
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19:29:52 <andythenorth> tropic without wood?
19:36:22 <andythenorth> FIRS sandpits look really silly in desertt
19:36:27 <andythenorth> due to the water
19:36:46 <andythenorth> and the use of the wrong ground tile
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20:15:20 <peter1138> you look silly in desertt
20:15:55 <andythenorth> is there sugar in desertt?
20:16:43 <NGC3982> andythenorth: Yes, indeed.
20:25:44 <andythenorth> FIRS Tropic Basic is now smaller than default Tropic
20:25:47 <andythenorth> this is not good?
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20:30:22 <supermop> how hard would it be to draw a pit/quarry with no water
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20:30:37 <supermop> little dump trucks down in the whole
20:31:05 <supermop> i wrote hole first then corrected it to whole
20:31:34 <supermop> playing a tiny FIRS map at work right now
20:33:14 <supermop> in normal firs the dredging site and sand hole produce the same stuff
20:33:42 <supermop> maybe randomly have the dredger produce any two of stone, sand, or clay?
20:34:15 <supermop> is that even possible?
20:35:19 <andythenorth> I mostly avoid it, due to it being annoying
20:36:20 <supermop> haha could you end up with a map full of dredging sites producing only clay and clay?
20:38:06 <supermop> gah i forgot to add heqs
20:38:32 <supermop> i guess because it was a small game on my work computer and wanted to keep it basic
20:38:41 <Supercheese> No HEQS? Travesty.
20:38:45 <supermop> but the steel mil is on top of a mountain peak
20:38:57 <Supercheese> Himalaya Steel Inc.
20:39:05 <supermop> and i reall could use a little tram to carry ore and coal up there
20:39:21 <Supercheese> HEQS trams are superlative
20:39:45 <supermop> i guess a fleet of egrvts trucks are in order
20:39:56 <supermop> or a short train with a kirby paul?
20:40:02 <andythenorth> trams are cheating
20:40:05 <andythenorth> they should be banned
20:40:27 <Supercheese> default trains? eew
20:40:51 <supermop> growing up playing TTO i always thought of the kirby paul as kirby puckett
20:41:01 <supermop> cause of much fondness
20:41:56 <supermop> just got some SH 8ps
20:42:56 <supermop> so cascaded my ginzus to the branch passenger line and the chaneys are joining the freight fleet
20:55:24 <planetmaker> makes a good town growth cargo
20:55:27 <planetmaker> especially in 1800
21:02:57 <andythenorth> maybe I just keep it simple
21:03:01 * andythenorth puts oil chain back
21:08:11 <Supercheese> There's lots of oil in the tropics, makes sense
21:10:00 <planetmaker> oil is not necessarily boring
21:11:04 <andythenorth> it's just that it has to be in every economy so far :P
21:11:14 <andythenorth> one way or another, most chains depend on it :P
21:11:19 <NGC3982> The FIRS/ECS version of oil is kind of interesting.
21:11:19 <andythenorth> lesson about life eh?
21:30:11 <planetmaker> they're not correct. But it's a missing feature. I have no gridless sprites for them yet in ogfx+landscape
21:33:03 <planetmaker> hm, though I know it... there's no issue about it... so I might forget when I re-visit that newgrf
21:38:33 <planetmaker> IIRC I postponed fixing that when I got annoyed with fixing the monorail sprites... they were stubborn to look nice ;-)
21:42:32 <planetmaker> created myself an issue
21:42:39 <planetmaker> thanks for bringing it up :-)
21:54:59 <andythenorth> oil rigs in tropic or not?
21:55:09 <andythenorth> would keep the industry count lower
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23:33:42 <ccfreak2k> There sure are a lot of openttd assets/newgrfs these days.
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