IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-06-28
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00:00:00 <MNIM> so you can chose between 'em, instead of having them forced per timeline or town center vicinity
00:00:16 <Mazur> I nver learn and write it somwhere accessible.
00:02:57 <MNIM> we just think we'd about know it by now
00:03:44 <Mazur> Registry of my old PC, I think.
00:04:04 <Mazur> I mean, it's in hte registry, no?
00:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> what's an XP key?
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00:04:43 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, you mean the license code
00:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that is stored in the registry somewhere
01:24:04 <lugo> www-client/chromium-13.0.782.32 merge time: 12 hours, 7 minutes and 57 seconds
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08:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause> MB: "Und warum sollst *du* mich diesbzgl "beschwatzen"? Kann Ingo nicht selber schreiben?" :p
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08:02:15 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: in reply to what?
08:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the railtypes thing ;)
08:03:01 <planetmaker> well, I left that to you on purpose :-P
08:03:32 <planetmaker> got a link? Or via e-mail?
08:04:09 <planetmaker> well... should I write?
08:04:43 <planetmaker> I mean... after all the rail classification thing as we consider was in this form your idea...
08:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll answer him, but first i have a dentist appointment... :(
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08:19:15 <Mazur> I had my system tuned to perfection, everything working....
08:19:58 <Mazur> And they had to bloody go and change SYSV init scripts and something to do with sound, so the whole bloody mess fails at EVERY TURN again.
08:20:19 <Mazur> Hand me a machine gun, someone.
08:20:38 <planetmaker> Well... maybe we should re-consider the name, though... not sure
08:21:01 <planetmaker> trains of central Europe ;-)
08:23:27 <peter1138> well it seems to be dead anyway
08:31:27 <planetmaker> yes... that's why I'd not be overly concerned to continue to use cets
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08:47:09 <Mazur> They muted it in an uprgade.
08:47:49 <Mazur> SOmething like: "Oh, wanna use fedora 15? You know, then you will not want your sound anymore. No, we know better than you."
08:48:17 <Mazur> "No, really. Turn it off!"
08:48:46 * Mazur tracks and tortures whoever had that bright idea.;
08:49:30 <peter1138> well, if you will use fedora...
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09:31:21 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: planetmaker, or maybe merge with that existing cets?
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09:43:38 <planetmaker> for certain definitions of 'merge'
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09:53:39 <Mazur> peter1138, what's the best distro these days, then?
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10:09:51 <planetmaker> Ammler: the focus of that set is rather South-East Europe than central Europe ;-)
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10:39:17 <Sacro> oh damn it, missed by a minute
10:39:28 <Sacro> /bin/sh: ntpdate: not found
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11:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> PLANETMAKER: I GUESS THE MEANING OF "CENTER" VARIES ON YOUR OWN POSITION :P
11:46:46 <Eddi|zuHause> DAMN, MY CAPS IS STUCK
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12:28:18 <Ammler> well, then call your set DeutschelandeBähndle
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12:39:39 <dihedral> "ich liebe deutscheland..."
12:49:07 <Vikthor> "Das alles ist Deutschland - das alles sind wir ..." :p
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13:51:51 <H-land> I need some advice. I'm bored, and not quite sure what I want to do, but I think I want to play OpenTTD. I've got 1.1.0 downloaded on this machine, with trams and... well, that's the only NewGRF I'm using. What new NewGRFs should I try out?
13:54:20 <H-land> Well. Guess this is the time of day when the channel is asleep, then.
13:56:20 <lugo> H-land, av8, ukrs, egrvts, FIRS and FISH are a good start i think :)
13:56:57 <H-land> Okay. I'll take a look at those.
13:57:22 <MNIM> and I agree with that. not sure about ukrs. Id sooner advise ttrs
13:57:28 <lugo> respectivly replacing aircrafts, trains, buses/lorries, industries and ships
13:57:34 <lugo> MNIM, ukrs is a train set
13:57:46 <MNIM> oh, thought it was road set, not rail set
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14:31:07 <planetmaker> H-land: it strongly depends on what you like
14:31:17 <planetmaker> bug... lugo's advice is somewhat my own, too
14:31:30 <planetmaker> Additionally, if you want to start slowly, I rcommend to use the OpenGFX+ series
14:31:36 <H-land> I'm trying out the FISH and FIRS right now.
14:31:47 <planetmaker> which enhances defaults without completely modifying everything
14:33:59 <planetmaker> all good choices. But you're missing a train set
14:34:09 <planetmaker> or you'll not enjoy FIRS
14:34:28 <planetmaker> Thus... possibly go for OpenGFX+ Trains additionally
14:35:41 <planetmaker> [15:54] H-land Well. Guess this is the time of day when the channel is asleep, then. <-- btw: 5 minutes response time is NOT long. It's not like people here constantly look at the channel only waiting for given the chance to answer a question ;-)
14:36:28 <planetmaker> though... European evening hourse are the most busy ones in this channel. And it's not yet evening ;-)
14:36:31 <H-land> I'm just used to move chitchat and such in channels with over 50 people, I guess.
14:36:45 <planetmaker> most here are around 24/7
14:36:51 <planetmaker> but not physically
14:37:09 <planetmaker> they'll use a bouncer which gives them the history once they connect
14:42:00 <Terkhen> for example, I have to go now but the bouncer will stay connected
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15:57:56 <Chris_Booth> H-land: remove the 2 way signals infornt of the platforms
15:58:12 <Chris_Booth> and then build a nice Side line hub in front of it
15:58:18 <Chris_Booth> the connect to a 4 lines ML
15:58:27 <Chris_Booth> T junctions are easiest to build
15:59:04 <Chris_Booth> maybe check wiki.openttd.org or wiki.openttdcoop.org for ideas
15:59:13 <Chris_Booth> they both have noice building guides on them
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16:03:15 <Eddi|zuHause> put path signals in front of the platforms
16:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause> do not ever put path and block signals on the same junction
16:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> build a second X, that's a major bottleneck
16:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause> or make the entry in-out-in-out
16:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of in-in-out-out
16:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (preferably both)
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17:07:09 <alluke> what set are those waypoint from?
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17:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> those are the default waypoints
17:21:38 <Yexo> perhaps opengfx vs original?
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17:33:36 <Eddi|zuHause> if they didn't copy it from openttd.grf
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17:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22611 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/basque.txt:
17:45:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
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18:22:10 <andythenorth> and all through the house
18:22:17 <andythenorth> no-one was stirring, not even a mouse
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18:24:01 <andythenorth> caused any arguments recently :P
18:24:21 <andythenorth> foobar has suggested removals from advanced settings
18:24:26 <andythenorth> let's see if he was right
18:26:39 <andythenorth> he misses a few that should go
18:26:42 <andythenorth> and cuts a few that should stay
18:27:41 <Alberth> it seems others have taken all the necessary steps :p
18:28:41 <andythenorth> we should add a new advanced setting: show advanced settings
18:29:01 * andythenorth wonders how the .cfg works
18:29:06 <andythenorth> presumably name value pairs
18:31:48 <andythenorth> if it was "name value group" users could create their own advanced settings gui
18:31:57 <andythenorth> thereby avoiding a holy war
18:32:05 <andythenorth> or xml for the cfg
18:32:16 <andythenorth> xml for cfg has been suggested before
18:32:22 <andythenorth> it didn't seem to be a sick joe
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18:51:34 <Alberth> as in, there is no single commonly agreed definition :)
18:58:02 <Ammler> andythenorth: then rather yaml
19:00:16 <Ammler> andythenorth: just follow the ini wiki alternatives
19:00:39 <andythenorth> "omg, I can't believe it uses whitespace, this is freaking insane, how will that ever workup"
19:01:08 <Ammler> andythenorth: yeah, don't use google
19:01:38 <Ammler> I guess, python does that too, doesn't it?
19:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and plenty of people complain about that :p
19:02:32 <andythenorth> they're wrong :P
19:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> admittedly, it IS a hassle when your editor has certain tab/space rules that are not compliant with the suggested way
19:02:54 <andythenorth> and they're probably not people you'd want to spend time with
19:03:10 <Ammler> well, everything is better as xml
19:03:20 <andythenorth> I am no fan of xml
19:03:32 <andythenorth> having written flash parsers for it, and written the xml for them
19:03:34 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody is a fan of xml
19:03:35 <andythenorth> I think it is suck
19:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause> at least nobody who ever came in physical contact with it
19:04:07 <andythenorth> basically for each item in openttd cfg, it would be desirable to specify:
19:04:15 <andythenorth> location in advanced settings menu
19:04:44 <andythenorth> then we can provide a sane default set, and all the special case people can provide they're own (there will be few, but they will be very noisy)
19:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you intend to specify position (and especially order) in the advanced settings gui?
19:06:28 <Ammler> on the other side, it doesn't really matter, what format the settings file has
19:06:32 <Terkhen> while you are at it you could generalize the tree GUI code used by advanced settings :)
19:06:33 * Rubidium wonders which user is the first to say that the window to configure the advanced settings window is too complex
19:06:38 <Ammler> as you should make a gui for it too :-P
19:06:46 <andythenorth> drag and drop :P
19:06:47 <Rubidium> or specifically, that it lists way too many things
19:07:07 <andythenorth> the window to configure the advanced settings window is too complex
19:08:41 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the order is significant?
19:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: sometimes
19:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you want to introduce dozens of subgroups
19:09:39 <Eddi|zuHause> to keep logically similar settings together
19:09:46 <Alberth> Rubidium: isn't that the whole topic of the 'ottd getting too complex' thread?
19:09:47 <andythenorth> make them edit the cfg file to change settings
19:09:58 <andythenorth> lets just remove lots and see who complains
19:10:16 <andythenorth> we could split test binaries with different ones removed :P
19:10:56 <Alberth> nah, use the IP address or the time of the day to decide :p
19:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if we wanted to go by the number of complaints, we would make build-while-paused a cheat and allow changing newgrfs
19:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a very good metric :p
19:12:47 <Rubidium> Alberth: yes, that's why adding a window to configure that window isn't a solution at all
19:13:23 <Alberth> I must have skipped a few posts :p
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19:14:58 <Yexo> Alberth: that was never in a post, just here in the backlog
19:16:07 <andythenorth> Rubidium: why not a window to configure the configure window?
19:16:13 <andythenorth> it makes total sense
19:16:18 <andythenorth> completely logical
19:17:10 <andythenorth> to reduce the complexity of the window that reduces the complexity of advanced settings :P
19:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> who wants to understand recursion must first understand recursion
19:17:19 <Terkhen> configuring the configure window would require checking all items
19:17:40 <Terkhen> then I'd ignore the configuring configure window option and just check all items once to enable/disable them
19:19:12 <andythenorth> it might be *really* important to you to be able to configure certain things
19:19:31 <andythenorth> and if it isn't enabled, you'll be 100% certain that ottd will never succeed in capturing a large audience
19:19:37 <andythenorth> especially among young people
19:19:54 <andythenorth> besides, all modern games offer this feature
19:25:41 <Alberth> why not, he has given us breweries and and many other industries and vehicles
19:25:59 <supermop> i want some recursive beer
19:27:21 <Alberth> to get infinitely drunk :p
19:28:18 <MNIM> he made the ecs industries?
19:28:20 <supermop> to get as drunk as I like to get drunk
19:29:57 <Alberth> and I am sure I missed one or two :p
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20:14:52 <Dozz> How to disable trains broking on the tracks?
20:15:08 <Yexo> set breakdowns to none in the difficulty window
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20:42:35 <Dozz> How can I replace vehicles with no more lifetime?
20:45:06 <Alberth> you have to switch it on
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21:36:33 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't think MB is overly convinced...
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