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00:42:19 <Eddi|zuHause> here's something i don't understand: in the 1850's and 1860's, the democratic party was pro slavery and the (newly founded) republican party was contra slavery. today, the republican party is the party of "rich white guys", while the democratic party has the first black president. what happened?
00:43:00 <supermop> they are essentially not the same parties
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00:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: that is not much of an explanation
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05:15:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: back then pink was for boys and blue for girls as well...
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08:52:16 <__ln__> can i build a tunnel under the sea already?
08:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> try the chunnel ha^W patch
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13:13:46 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the cargo delay - wouldn't it be calculated by the cargo payment cb?
13:14:05 <andythenorth> that can already access some limited information about the vehicle transporting the cargo
13:14:07 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what's the cargo payment callback?
13:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: problem is probably transfers
13:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> a transfer chain tram->long distance train->tram should probably get the modification for the long distance train
13:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> but that information is not accessible anymore on final delivery
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13:16:10 * andythenorth considers learning what cb145 does
13:16:21 * andythenorth is fed up of current station rating, it's nonsense
13:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> right, i wanted to try that
13:17:50 <Terkhen> cb39 will not work for delays and transfers unless it can somehow access all vehicles involved
13:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> my idea was something like: "service last 60 days: 25%, service last 30 days: 50%, service last 3 days: 60%, date > 1970: +10%, date > 1990: +10%, statue: +10%"
13:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if date is accessible
13:18:35 <Terkhen> and even if the information was accesible I don't know if it would be feasible to code such a callback
13:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i have an idea for transfers, let's write it up...
13:19:57 <andythenorth> what problem is being solved?
13:20:38 <Terkhen> conflicting industries implementation with custom chains
13:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the station rating should solve transfer stations not dropping below 50% as quickly [thus dropping cargo]
13:21:04 <andythenorth> do they lose cargo if rating <50%
13:21:13 * andythenorth never pays attention to rating mechanic
13:21:29 <andythenorth> I only found out last year that rating affects industry production
13:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "some" cargo below 50%, and "lots of" cargo below 25%
13:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the date thing could replace the speed mechanism, which is quite useless with wagonspeedlimits
13:23:14 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: far as I can understand, it's implemented per-station?
13:23:34 <andythenorth> i.e. has to be a station newgrf
13:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's a generic callback
13:23:53 <andythenorth> that's more interesting
13:24:01 <andythenorth> so FIRS could implement this?
13:24:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather do it standalone
13:26:13 <Terkhen> isn't it a cargo callback?
13:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not what i was told
13:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the doc is a little vague on that
13:27:52 <andythenorth> what does /src say?
13:28:24 <Terkhen> This callback allows you to modify part of the station cargo rating calculation for your cargo. <--- looks cargo specific
13:28:40 <Terkhen> it is also cited as a cargo callback in NML specs
13:31:00 <Terkhen> it makes sense; passengers will be happier if the vehicle was as fast as possible, but random coal chunks would probably not care much
13:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yep. that does make sense
13:37:40 <Yexo> definitely a cargo callback
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13:38:56 <HugeCannon> Hi, I'm looking for a way to slow down the time progression in openttd. I have compiled my own server by increasing the value of DAY_TICKS in src/date_type.h. But now when I run the clients they fail to a synchronisation error. I have been unable to compile my own clients with the corresponding change. Im looking for a simpler way of slowing down time progression.
13:39:37 <Yexo> there is no simpler way, any modification wrt time on the server will have to be reflected in the client binaries
13:39:43 <Terkhen> HugeCannon: the changes required are more complicated; look for the various daylenght patches in the forums
13:40:03 <Terkhen> and yes, both the server and the client require the same changes
13:42:30 <HugeCannon> Ah, damn. So daylength patches in forums it is! Thakns
13:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so, FIRS is definitely the right place for callback 145 ;)
13:58:14 <andythenorth> what would it change then?
13:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: ok, frosch123 told me rubbish then.
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14:02:30 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 54 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey Andy
14:05:24 <andythenorth> why do bags of mail weight 1t?
14:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> they don't, by default
14:06:56 <andythenorth> is that something I need to fix in FISH?
14:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, yes. ships are weird
14:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> they behave differently than road vehicles and trains
14:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, i was thinking whether one or the other... seems i chose the wrong one :p
14:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> curse you, foreign languages!
14:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: there's some sort of property/callback for the weight stuff...
14:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have no further clue about this...
14:10:01 <andythenorth> what missing behaviour am I supposed to be recreating? :P
14:10:08 <andythenorth> i.e. how much mail = 1t?
14:10:20 <andythenorth> and why do I have to provide this myself for every ship?
14:11:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: because someone was too scared to adapt the specs to make it consistent
14:14:47 <andythenorth> so is it more accurate to say that 1 mailbag occupies the cargo space of 1t of any cargo with units in t?
14:18:41 * andythenorth thinks most train sets don't implement that :o
14:19:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't find the page where it explains the capacity factors
14:19:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i can only find a hint that for callback 15, they don't apply.
14:21:20 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that's why CB36 is 'better'
14:21:20 <andythenorth> right now, I'd be happy to implement whatever is correct in FISH
14:21:24 <andythenorth> the work isn't that much
14:21:36 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that's not the point
14:21:43 <planetmaker> it changes the tons while CB15 changes the capacity in units
14:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the point is: it's not explained anywhere
14:21:50 <andythenorth> but I don't know how many mailbags / crates / macguffins should be provided per ton
14:25:00 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: and the original problem is that the multiplies don't apply for ships
14:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: propose a misc grf flag that unifies the ship and other vehicle multipliers
14:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: not needed
14:26:07 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't think that will ever come, either :p
14:26:15 <planetmaker> Many things can be added by yet another flag or property
14:29:27 <planetmaker> thus, honestly, add it to that list of 'NewGRF problems' ;-)
14:29:40 <planetmaker> (inconsistency ships <-> other vehicles)
14:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. MB had a weird effect with the multipliers recently: when using "first refittable" as default cargo, and the first default cargo happens to be "goods", then the capacities of that wagon are halved for each cargo
14:30:20 <planetmaker> yes. That's the result of the cb36 / cb15 difference
14:30:45 <planetmaker> the capacity vs units / 1 difference
14:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think DBSet uses either of these
14:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause> only property 14
14:30:58 <andythenorth> makes my brain ache :P
14:31:24 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes, but capacity is in units afaik. And the load weight derived from that - but retained
14:31:40 <planetmaker> easily circumvented by using CB36
14:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think you fully understand the problem
14:33:54 <planetmaker> except that I think that I experienced the same myself when I wrote OpenGFX+Trains
14:34:22 <planetmaker> and CB36 solves it. As it uses the cargo *weight*. And not units
14:35:06 <peter1138> all those callbacks get confusing :p
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14:35:20 <planetmaker> they are. Quite. And CB15 should probably be deprecated
14:35:27 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: if i only use property 14 (no callbacks at all)
14:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> then the solution should not be "use callback"
14:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i would go as far as classifying this as an openttd bug
14:37:08 <planetmaker> probably a bug in the nfo specs ;-)
14:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> for cargo "use first refittable", the capacity should be always resolved with factor 1, not with what "first refittable" happens to return
14:38:15 <planetmaker> but it works like this: the vehicle property 'cargo amount' sets the units of the first refittable cargo which can be loaded
14:38:45 <peter1138> remove all the cruft
14:38:45 <planetmaker> which then translates to a - possibly - different cargo *weight* - if the first refittable cargo differs
14:38:53 <planetmaker> Thus the refit amount for other cargos differs
14:39:03 <peter1138> or make it all ini files :D
14:39:13 <peter1138> xml's too complicated
14:39:37 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: no, i mean if i set "cargo type: FF", then this should result in a fixed multiplier for property 14
14:39:51 <Eddi|zuHause> not "random" based on whatever cargo type FF resolves to
14:40:08 <Lakie> I believe Oskar suggested a simple script machine would be best for replacing nfo, peter1138?
14:40:14 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, but that breaks old newgrfs: as they assume 'units' not weight
14:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: no, it does not.
14:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the behaviour of cargo type FF in this case does not seem to be specified at all
14:41:05 <peter1138> Lakie, *shrug* not particularly serious ;)
14:41:33 <Lakie> I think NFO outgrew its original designs ages ago.
14:41:42 <andythenorth> it had a design :o
14:41:49 <peter1138> you started it with CB36 ;p
14:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i set cargo type "first refittable", not "goods". if i set cargo type "goods", then the original behaviour applies
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14:42:04 <peter1138> suddenly there became multiple ways to set things, heh
14:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: and as long as it is not specified, it can be changed to something consistent
14:42:56 <Lakie> Well, capacity wasn't my doing, some auhtors did that because they weren't happy with cb15, iirc
14:43:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, tell that mb ;-) He'll likely be the first one to complain, if something unspecified is change to something specific which does not work the way he expects it ;-)
14:43:53 <Terkhen> let's redo everything in the specs from the beginning :)
14:44:21 <peter1138> rewrite openttd from scratch
14:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: as long as i cannot find the actual specification of the multipliers in the wiki, the whole point is moot.
14:44:44 <Terkhen> yes, with 0 inconsistencies
14:46:18 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, src/table/cargo_const.h; the 4th entry in the 'table' or definitions
14:46:33 <planetmaker> given in 1/16 of a ton
14:46:57 <peter1138> you could use the FIFE engine
14:46:58 <planetmaker> passengers are real light weight. Probably only young, beautiful women...
14:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that is the weight multiplier, not the capacity multiplier
14:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> different thing.
14:47:21 <peter1138> (python based, iirc)
14:47:52 <Terkhen> we should go with webgl :P
14:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the weight multiplier for passengers is 1/16, but iirc the capacity multiplier is *4
14:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> passengers are real light weight. Probably only young, beautiful women... <-- without baggage? unlikely :p
14:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but i repeat my question: WHERE THE HELL IN THE WIKI IS THIS EXPLAINED?
14:51:35 <peter1138> whereever you decide to write it
14:51:42 <Yexo> why do you expect everything about nfo to be explained in the nfo wiki? IT HAS ALWAYS WORKED SOME WAY
14:51:58 <Yexo> that last sentence being mb's argument for not changing it
14:52:16 <peter1138> what is it that should/shouldn't be changed, btw?
14:52:45 <Yexo> capacity multipliers wrt to "first refittable" as cargo type for vehicles
14:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: applying capacity multiplier for cargo type FF (first refittable)
14:53:25 <peter1138> capacity multiplier needs to know the original cargo
14:53:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but "original cargo" should be "FF" here
14:53:43 <peter1138> logically, the first refittable is "the original cargo"
14:53:49 <Yexo> yes, which is exactly why the case where the original cargo is "FF" (meaning, chose first refittable cargo) is problematic
14:53:53 <peter1138> FF isn't a cargo case
14:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but it isn't, it's whatever "FF" happens to resolve to
14:54:22 <Yexo> and that is how it currently works, but that means that the capacity of vehicles can change depending on which cargos are available
14:54:26 <peter1138> FF resolves to "first refittable"
14:55:22 <Yexo> which means that for example FIRS can halve the capacity of vehicles in a completely unrelated set by switching the goods and coal cargo slots
14:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause> if "first refittable" happens to resolve to "goods", all capacities are halved
14:55:33 <Yexo> (for vehicles being able to refit to both coal and goods)
14:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and this is A Bad Thing (tm)
14:57:51 <planetmaker> vehicle.cpp:1770-1790
14:58:35 <planetmaker> CT_GOODS and CT_MAIL have a capacity factor of 2. Passengers of 1 and all others of 4
14:59:03 <planetmaker> and aircraft are different anyway
14:59:48 <planetmaker> so it's hard-coded
15:00:05 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: this is about the specs, not the code.
15:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause> code can easily be changed, specs not.
15:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but what's also "fun" about the code is that it's hardcoded to cargo slots. :p
15:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> which may be changed by newgrfs to any random thing :p
15:01:55 <planetmaker> suit yourself to have a discussion about what "should be done" without considering of how people rely and relied on for years...
15:02:40 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: line 1750
15:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> " * Note: This might change to become more consistent/flexible/sane, esp. when default cargo is first refittable. */"
15:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that's actually 1751
15:03:27 <peter1138> ideally CT_* shouldn't be used anywhere outside of newgrf loading
15:04:00 <peter1138> (CT_INVALID is fine)
15:04:27 * peter1138 smirks at newstations special 0xFE cargo type :p
15:04:28 <Yexo> so the capacity multipliers are not even tied to the cargo but only to a specific cargo slot
15:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: a new property "capacity multiplier"
15:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway... gtg...
15:05:29 <peter1138> 32 is a crazy limit
15:05:45 <peter1138> imagine going to tescos and only being able to buy 30 different things ;)
15:05:54 <peter1138> (i'm assuming you can't buy people or mail...)
15:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not managed to transport all FIRS cargo types at the same time yet...
15:06:05 <peter1138> hmm, tesco value slavery
15:06:06 <planetmaker> well... I buy 'food' and 'goods' ;-)
15:06:20 <planetmaker> they can have sub cargo types after all ;-)
15:06:28 <planetmaker> they just need to define a refit :-P
15:06:51 <andythenorth> worse than anything
15:07:02 <andythenorth> the only good thing about them is that they can be abused in interesting ways
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15:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> one more random thing while i go: andythenorth: new cargo sink "chemicals" to "Hospital"
15:07:45 <peter1138> too much of the spec is about ottd discovering things, instead of being told
15:07:55 <peter1138> well, sub types anyway
15:08:15 <andythenorth> subtypes also break the user
15:08:41 <andythenorth> where does Goods (Cars) appear as a refittable cargo in the buy menu?
15:09:25 <peter1138> the increased vehicle limit further reduces the need for subtypes
15:09:52 <andythenorth> start a new movement in ottd *dont' be backwards compatible*
15:10:24 <andythenorth> start deprecating more stuff
15:10:53 <andythenorth> if old grfs break - well they should be gpl and in a community-accessible repo
15:11:18 <peter1138> script based instead
15:11:20 <Terkhen> abandoned grfs would not the biggest problem :P
15:11:45 <andythenorth> "rewrite the game!"
15:12:11 <andythenorth> "all that clunky code - it can't be doing anything useful, like handling edge cases"
15:12:38 <peter1138> which i was a good programmer
15:12:45 <peter1138> then i could fix it so that opengl worked
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16:21:24 <frosch123> haha, all translations are crap
16:23:34 <Amis> Thank you for sharing that very precious information with us
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17:25:11 <SpComb> pfft, it's just a semantical difference
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18:07:20 <frosch123> stupid case-sensitivity
18:07:27 <Terkhen> we are under attack again?
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18:17:44 <Perihelion> Terkhen: Not just you...most of the larger channels on OFTC :<
18:28:47 <Belugas> ARGH!!! run for cover!! They want us down!!
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19:07:05 <LordAro> ah! Alberth: i'm a bit stuck with reading the readme.txt file... here is my latest file... http://pastebin.com/y3b7YdK2 - note: the patch doesn't compile, and the functions i'm trying to make are in fileio.cpp
19:09:51 <Alberth> FindReadme() is not going to work for at least 3 reasons :)
19:10:26 <LordAro> i know, i sort of gave up :) i don't really get pointers and chars ...
19:10:47 <Lakie> char * = pointer to a string usually.
19:10:55 <Alberth> first of all "false" is not of type 'char *', second, 'return readme_path;' fails, since that memory exists only until you leave the function
19:11:49 <Alberth> finally, that path is useless :p
19:12:47 <LordAro> i didn't really know what to do, i was going to find a way to get the readme text in LoadReadme() from the readme_path, but never got that far
19:13:32 <Alberth> return readme; <-- has the same problem as the 'return readme_path;', 'readme' is a local data store that is removed as soon as you leave the function.
19:14:08 <Alberth> you should load the file data in the Window object that displays the text
19:16:19 <LordAro> can you do that bit? and i'll finish off the patch :)
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19:17:10 <andythenorth> registering for this channel every few weeks is getting dull :P
19:17:27 <LordAro> the 'getting the readme text into a useable char' bit
19:17:38 <Alberth> andythenorth: look for a client that does it for you :)
19:17:43 <LordAro> andythenorth: it would help if you remembered your login ;)
19:18:08 * andythenorth doesn't recall saying he forgot the login
19:18:16 * andythenorth probably needs a better irc client
19:19:22 <LordAro> andythenorth: having to register again as implied, implies you forgot your login
19:23:30 <ChoHag_> Can you find which group a vehicle is in without looking through them manually?
19:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> in the "all vehicles" list, the group name is usually written in small letters above the vehicle
19:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you named the vehicle itself
19:25:40 <Alberth> LordAro: you can easily skip that part: http://www.fpaste.org/5JrQ/ take an arbitrary piece of text like lines 2..12, add a " at the left, and a \n" at the right, add line 1 and line 13, et voila, 'mytext' points to a buffer of characters.
19:26:10 <ChoHag_> Not bothered about vehicle names.
19:26:26 <Alberth> strlen() can tell you how many characters you have.
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19:28:15 <Alberth> LordAro: for added challenge, you can use windows new-lines (\r\n), white space at the end, and UTF-8 characters instead of simple ASCII
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20:12:40 * andythenorth manages not to reply to at least 2 stupid posts today
20:12:48 <andythenorth> "three's the charm"
20:12:57 <Terkhen> it takes a lot of effort sometimes :)
20:13:44 <andythenorth> YACD suggestions are getting today's prize
20:13:54 <andythenorth> "please make cargo choose at random where to go"
20:13:59 <andythenorth> sounds like real fun :P
20:16:56 * andythenorth proposes instead RACD
20:17:01 <andythenorth> random cargodest
20:17:54 <andythenorth> given enough time, what's the correct route design strategy for random cargodest?
20:18:05 <andythenorth> should every node on the graph be connected to every other node?
20:18:43 <Terkhen> what if the cargo also changed its destination randomly on each hop?
20:18:51 <andythenorth> it would make no difference
20:18:56 <andythenorth> so it might as well...
20:19:28 <andythenorth> I start my game by looking for two cities with lots of population
20:19:37 <andythenorth> then I roll a dice for whether I'm going to win or lose :P
20:19:43 <andythenorth> we could replace most of the game with dice
20:20:58 <Alberth> can I implement my large friendly yellow button with "WIN" on it too?
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20:21:50 <andythenorth> Alberth: only if there's one for 'lose'
20:22:08 <andythenorth> we could add another: 'maybe', just to avoid making a decision
20:22:18 * andythenorth is fed up of players asking for 'both please'
20:22:27 <andythenorth> two is not better
20:23:14 * Alberth ponders how that relates to buttons with text on it :p
20:23:24 <andythenorth> it doesn't, I'm ranting
20:23:28 <andythenorth> I should get my own channel
20:23:33 <andythenorth> #andythenorthrants
20:24:07 <Alberth> I would expect there is a #randomrants already :)
20:34:33 <glx> frosch123: seems better but not finished :)
20:35:06 <frosch123> yeah, but now more than the usual join&leave
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