IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-03-11
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08:42:04 <awam> Is there any way to use NewGRFs in a scenario in the current nightlies or cargodist? The selection window is always empty if I open it from within a scenario.
08:42:59 <awam> I've tried r22230 and the oldest cargodist I could find
08:43:51 <SmatZ> select newgrfs before generating the scenario
08:44:16 <SmatZ> modifying newgrf config ingame (including scenedit) is very likely to causes errors later
08:45:52 <awam> doesn't work, the game ignores my selection
08:45:52 <planetmaker> it's like in civilization choosing a tribe to play. You cannot change that later either.
08:46:05 <planetmaker> awam, it works for all except you then
08:46:18 <planetmaker> the main menu has no effect on existing games or scenarios
08:48:10 <awam> so I can't add NewGRFs to a scenario? I remember it used to work if I edited the scenario before starting the game
08:49:27 <planetmaker> yes. that was broken design
08:49:32 <planetmaker> and it didn't really work
08:51:02 <awam> never noticed any problems though
08:53:18 <planetmaker> as long as you don't consider crashes problems...
08:54:30 <awam> can't remember any crashes
08:55:21 <awam> I only used newgrfs that added stations or vehicles though, none that modified game mechanics or so
08:55:27 <planetmaker> "works in a few cases" != "works correctly"
08:55:37 <planetmaker> see. Already vehicles are very problematic
08:56:07 <planetmaker> there's a couple of completely broken-configured scenarios on bananas. Due to this exact thing
08:58:15 <planetmaker> vehicle newgrfs modify core game data which other vehicle newgrfs rely on. So changing, adding, removing vehicle newgrfs will have them rely on data which don't exist anymore in the way they expect them to exist
09:02:48 <awam> I must have been lucky then
09:05:55 <planetmaker> it often works once. But if you change your mind a 2nd time, chances are much higher things go hay-wire
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09:52:32 <Eddi|zuHause> metaquestion guru, i need you!
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11:27:24 <lugo-> planetmaker, so i've just revoked those waypoint translation changes :)
11:35:56 <planetmaker> I'll write him an e-mail, I got the address meanwhile
11:36:16 <planetmaker> And I'll invite him to join discussions on how to improve translations :-)
11:37:19 <planetmaker> you referencing mb, I assume he commented on that in some private rant?
11:37:40 <planetmaker> In any case he did not communicate it (as so often, unfortunately) in a place where it is appropriate :S
11:39:26 <planetmaker> in any case, you (and norbert) were the first who really communicated it; thanks for that
11:41:28 <lugo> well mb did reply in that very thread
11:43:42 <planetmaker> I guess those updates to the thread entirely slipped my attention for an unknown reason
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16:24:55 <Ruudjah> I downloaded the .deb for ubuntu 10.10 x32, I opened it an ubuntu software center opened, with openttd install page wth an "upgrade" button
16:25:06 <Ruudjah> I hit it, I got an error: There seems to be a programming error in aptdaemon, the software that allows you to install/remove software and to perform other package management related tasks. Please report this error at http://launchpad.net/aptdaemon/+filebug and retry.
16:26:02 <Ruudjah> i wonder if its indeed from aptdaemon, since all prev installs using ubuntu sofwtare center did not fail
16:33:06 <Ruudjah> I does not actually give any error, so I doubt it's usefull for the guys as launchpad. However, I tried to work around it by removing and installing openttd (failed, got back 1.0.4, apparently the Ubuntu repo isn't uptodate) and then by removing and installing openttd by the downloaded deb
16:33:17 <Ruudjah> the latter being successfull
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16:34:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i have heard this story before...
16:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> afair the last person who reported such an issue, had dependency failures in the log
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18:45:37 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: translators * r22232 /trunk/src/lang/ (german.txt portuguese.txt slovak.txt):
18:45:37 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:37 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: german - 20 changes by lugo
18:45:37 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: portuguese - 1 changes by JayCity
18:45:37 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: slovak - 1 changes by micropro_cz
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19:29:32 <chylex> Hi, is possible in multiplayer to recover password, or assing company to a player?
19:30:19 <Yexo> type "help move" in the console
19:30:47 <Yexo> there is no function to recover a password
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19:48:41 <CIA-7> OpenTTD: yexo * r22233 /trunk/src/table/settings.ini: -Fix (r22210): value strings for command-pause-level were not shown correctly
20:04:20 <ccfreak2k> I guess it's time to make a new patch!
20:04:25 <ccfreak2k> Or GRF or whatever.
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21:17:58 <Zonta> Greetings guys and girls
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21:18:54 <Alberth> (although I am just a single instance of the former :) )
21:20:14 <Rubidium> you're a single greeting?
21:20:21 <Zonta> I got a problem when Hosting a Dedicated server of OpenTTD : sendto([master.openttd.org]:3978 (IPv6)) failed with: 101
21:21:32 <Rubidium> that's usually harmless; it means that your server has IPv6 enabled but not properly configured, i.e. you can't connect to the internet with IPv6
21:22:03 <Zonta> Ok well and my IPv4 Works but i cannot see my server into the server list
21:22:46 <Alberth> Rubidium: that too :)
21:22:53 <Zonta> Nope i don'T see my server there
21:23:16 <Rubidium> OpenTTD is not whining, after a minute or so that it couldn't advertise?
21:28:32 <Zonta> Does it absolutely need IPv6 to works?
21:28:49 <Rubidium> no, IPv6 is not needed at all
21:29:06 <Rubidium> but if it doesn't whine about not being able to advertise, then it should be in the list at servers.openttd.org
21:29:46 <Zonta> he's retrying and telling me that he don'T receive the acknoledge
21:30:13 <Rubidium> then it's also telling you that port forwarding is probably not set up correctly
21:31:10 <Zonta> But my router is correctly set and the firewall is also set
21:31:32 <Rubidium> well, the packet doesn't get to OpenTTD so something is blocking it
21:31:52 <Yexo> Zonta: did you forward both tcp and udp?
21:31:59 <Rubidium> in 99% of the time this is due to local configuration issues
21:32:08 <DorpsGek> Yexo: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
21:32:10 <Rubidium> the other 1% is "broken" internet
21:33:12 <glx> we also saw "smart" routers
21:34:14 <Zonta> Its cannot be ISP or router i got a Teamspeak server fully running on another machine and a game server also
21:34:34 <Zonta> Plus i can ssh my machine that i try to run a openttd server
21:34:44 <Rubidium> then, by deduction... what's left to be broken?
21:34:56 <Zonta> Firewall inside the machine
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21:52:53 <Zonta> Firewall was not set correctly
21:53:03 <Zonta> Everything works gracefully now
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22:00:25 <peter1138> The reactor's not going well :S
22:01:12 <peter1138> The Kyodo news agency is now citing a safety panel as saying that the radiation level inside one of the reactors at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant is 1,000 times higher than normal.
22:01:36 <supermop> ouch, thought the emergency coolant was under controll
22:01:39 <Belugas> ho ho.. take your stuff and run
22:01:47 <supermop> good thing they alreay evacuated
22:04:40 <Rubidium> peter1138: that might be due to their plan to release some steam from the reactor into other parts of the facility in an effort to not make is explode
22:05:23 <supermop> seems like they are still working on the coolant situation, but no damage to the reactor yet
22:07:30 <glx> that's what they say on NHK world
22:08:37 <Rubidium> that would mean the thing is air cooled, which isn't that good at cooling
22:09:04 <supermop> last air cooled reactor designs were things like windscale
22:09:12 <supermop> learned that problem a while ago
22:09:47 <glx> it's air from reactor's containment vessels
22:09:51 <supermop> but the water in the reactor should be boiling off until they can get the pumps running again
22:10:53 <supermop> causing increased pressure in the containment building
22:13:06 <supermop> but they should be able to filter and release some of that vapor
22:13:44 <Sacro> Oh, discussion in here about it too
22:16:05 * frosch123 is impressed that evacuations actually work
22:16:16 <Sacro> they are damn good at this
22:16:56 <glx> 2 cm of snow are enough to paralyse everything here
22:16:56 <supermop> where people were swept away in california despite going onto a beach with 12+ hours or warning about a tsunami
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23:00:56 <Sacro> so errm, is that another reactor off on one?
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23:14:41 <marcus> i need some help with a grf codec
23:18:29 <DoubleYou> hello, it is not always busy here
23:18:36 <DoubleYou> i don't know much about grf codecs
23:18:52 <DoubleYou> please stay around until someone else might wake up and help you
23:27:01 <Yexo> marcus: grfcodec is a commandline tool
23:27:10 <Yexo> you need to open a command prompt and run it from there
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