IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-03-02
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00:01:02 <grzywacz> Probably corrupt download.
00:01:32 <SmatZ> that's what you get for trying to play other games than OpenTTD
00:01:37 <SmatZ> I bet OpenTTD runs just fine
00:02:08 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: you have missed the discussion about openttd being quarantined by antivirus? ;)
00:02:32 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: was it here or at forums?
00:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> there was at least one person in this chat, and at least two persons in german forum
00:03:05 <SmatZ> was that because openttd opens many connections in a short time when trying to go online?
00:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it was a false alert by one antivirus... i don't really know the details
00:04:38 <SmatZ> there was someone complaining about windows defender
00:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause> stean said it can't check two files and re-downloads them
00:05:00 <SmatZ> that it ... considers some installers to be a virus
00:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: yeah, that was part of the discussion
00:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to start now
00:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... it now advertises DLC in the start menu
00:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the steam version of bananas ;)
00:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> DownLoadable Content or something
00:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> except they charge you like 3$ for each new civilisation/scenario-pack
00:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they also had one free civilisation
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06:07:44 <andythenorth> @seen planetmaker
06:07:44 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: planetmaker was last seen in #openttd 14 hours, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <planetmaker> can you possibly remind me tomorrow or the day after, I'll gladly step through that? Today my schedule is a bit tight, though
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08:14:16 <planetmaker> @seen andythenorth
08:14:16 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 6 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <andythenorth> @seen planetmaker
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09:06:25 <andythenorth> a special 'bug fix milestone' is surely a sign of a project that is going south?
09:09:30 <planetmaker> heya andythenorth
09:09:51 <planetmaker> bug fix milestones are quite fine and good
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09:10:05 <planetmaker> (whatever "going South" means ;-) )
09:10:21 * planetmaker prefers the higher lattitudes
09:10:23 <andythenorth> project in trouble :P
09:10:43 <andythenorth> bug count should ideally be 0 at all times, or at least bugs fixed before doing any other tickets
09:11:00 <andythenorth> but fixing bugs is...dull :P
09:11:00 <planetmaker> andythenorth, all OpenTTD versions of the form x.y.z with z != 0 are "bug fix milestones" ;-)
09:11:03 <andythenorth> especially alone
09:11:24 <andythenorth> FIRS 0.6.2 will be incoming soon
09:11:42 <planetmaker> I shall handle the Serbian translation before that, I guess
09:12:02 <andythenorth> if you do, can you update changelog accordingly ;)
09:12:23 <planetmaker> ho, hum... Isn't changelog written once prior to release?
09:12:50 <Terkhen> andythenorth: isn't that going far from your nick? :)
09:13:07 <planetmaker> I could give you my "make_changelog.sh" script, andythenorth ;-)
09:13:16 <planetmaker> I have it at home, though
09:13:19 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I've started writing changelogs before finishing milestone :)
09:13:29 <andythenorth> it motivates me to complete final tickets
09:13:35 <andythenorth> if changelog says it's there, it must be done :P
09:13:55 <andythenorth> I'm not really any the wiser about what to do with prop 08
09:15:20 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I don't think it's possible to find suitable substitute types for all FIRS industries
09:18:28 <andythenorth> I don't understand why the new types in FIRS aren't setting FF for prop 08 instead of 00
09:28:45 <Terkhen> from what I see at the specs, it makes sense to set it to FF
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09:35:41 * andythenorth should maybe just set FFh and see what breaks :P
09:35:42 <andythenorth> I could do it as part of the 'bug fix' release :P
09:35:51 <dihedral> with raid controler, Intel nic, and /27 subnet
09:36:26 <peter1138> What's the cost of that?
09:36:26 <dihedral> i'd be happy to offer vm's for your compile farm or what-not
09:37:28 <peter1138> €89/month is presumably for the basic option...
09:37:43 <dihedral> 127 monthly + 179 Setup
09:38:37 * dihedral is reminded of bjarni
09:39:11 <peter1138> Not bad. I stick with my dual CPU Xeon server because the hosting is free...
09:40:19 <peter1138> Presumably you'll be using that for more than just hosting OTTD servers... :p
09:41:16 <dihedral> i'd not mind having a free server :-(
09:41:40 <dihedral> but with this option it'll run over the company and i save a bunch of taxes on it :-D
09:42:48 <dihedral> so in the end i pay about half
09:47:59 <planetmaker> as long as you know that you _need_ that server...
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09:50:03 <dihedral> planetmaker, i can make use of it :-)
09:50:24 <dihedral> if i only got the server bound to upper limits of what i _need_ i'd have a problem in some time
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11:20:13 <DorpsGek> __ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 0 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 54 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVADKznOhY <-- wtf. Some rich guy built a trebuchet and uses burning pianos as ammo
11:21:50 <Terkhen> that's the "seen" I have seen more frequently
11:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's from the category "famous last words" :p
11:24:37 <__ln__> we shouldn't forget though that the cylons were not heard of in 50 years, but then...
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11:53:47 <DorpsGek> dihedral: I have not seen guru.
11:53:49 <DorpsGek> dihedral: guru3 was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <guru3> what you need Wolf01?
11:53:57 <Terkhen> dihedral is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 117 times. <--- :D
11:54:31 <Noldo> what is an attack then?
11:54:36 <Terkhen> xiong wrote the longest lines, averaging 111.2 letters per line. <--- I did not need a bot to know that
11:55:16 <dihedral> Terkhen, i like the stats about peter1138
11:55:57 <Terkhen> Noldo: it probably checks what you write, as it has stats on foul language too
11:56:30 <peter1138> How come I'm still most active. I barely chat here any more...
11:57:08 <dihedral> you must have chatted so much that it'll last you for the next year or two on top5
11:57:54 <Noldo> peter1138: you talk more than Bjarni for sure and he is fifth
11:58:33 <dihedral> and he has a good 10k before pm
11:58:51 <Terkhen> I'm surprised that "someone" is not one of the most used words
11:59:46 <Terkhen> or anyone (anyone here???)
12:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: "/me hugs" is certainly not an attack.
12:03:49 <Noldo> yes it is! And of the most sexual nature too!
12:04:48 <Eddi|zuHause> what i always find odd in these kind of stats is, i have statistically a very high amount of words per line
12:06:29 <peter1138> Relatively. Mine are often very short, like...
12:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and i _always_ get the most joins...
12:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should filter out all these bogus nicks like "i" "you" etc.
12:09:21 <Eddi|zuHause> basically, ignore all words that are in the dictionary
12:24:26 <__ln__> how can 'you' or 'i' be a most referenced nick anyway? does it count just initial words even when not followed by a comma or colon
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13:59:29 <Belugas> bien le bonjour planetmaker :)
14:01:42 <Belugas> long time no see active
14:01:54 <Belugas> salut bastien, bienvenue
14:01:57 <Sacro> Belugas: I've being idling a long time
14:02:02 <Sacro> I still pay attention though
14:02:25 <Sacro> nothing much, just busy at Uni
14:02:40 <Sacro> Looking for jobs, still got a couple of months studying though!
14:03:01 <Sacro> I'm sat surround by a linux cluster I'm admin on
14:03:10 <Belugas> Still the same job, same crazy one
14:03:32 <Belugas> ho, that is a nice situation, then :)
14:03:54 <Belugas> my son is now 7, doing great at school, even better on XBox ;)
14:03:58 <bastien> I thought that industries only close when you don't use them, but an oil well just closed even though a I had train carrying its oil
14:04:12 <bastien> so they close randomly?
14:04:14 <andythenorth> oil wells close by default
14:04:34 <bastien> I didn't think about that
14:04:37 <andythenorth> they are the only default industry where production falls
14:04:40 <andythenorth> it's annoying :P
14:05:02 <bastien> do new wells appear at the same rate?
14:05:10 <Sacro> Belugas: wow, seven already, time flies
14:10:02 <andythenorth> bastien: not usually
14:10:17 <andythenorth> but in temperate, oil platforms appear at sea
14:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause> oil platforms and banks, which do not appear on map generation, have an increased appearance chance during the game
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14:39:15 <Belugas> yeah, time flies... it's frigthning sometimes
14:40:20 <Belugas> he grows so fast.. what i love is watching his brain starting to make some new connections. i mean... some remarks he make are showing that his thoughs are evolving very rapidly
14:40:43 <Belugas> he is already doing his addition tables, he reads a lot by his own etc...
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15:21:38 <Sacro> Anyone here using Autopilot?
15:21:43 <Sacro> Wondering the best way to set it up
15:23:08 <Ammler> Sacro: just use the hg version from devzone
15:23:57 <Sacro> Ammler: Yeah, I grabed tip.tar.gx
15:23:57 <Ammler> ask again, if that got you in troubles :-)
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15:26:24 <Ammler> Sacro: also be sure, openttd works without using ap+ first ;-)
15:26:39 <Ammler> then copy openttd_additionals to openttd.cfg and you should be fine
15:30:23 <Sacro> our games sevrver was still running lenny
15:32:18 <welshdragon> I've got an Entry > Exit > Exit > Block signal setup, without using PBS how do I keep the entry signal at red if a train is as the second exit signal?
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15:34:32 <Sacro> actually you need presignal+block combined
15:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> entry>combo>exit
15:35:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but in 99% of the cases it suffices to turn the entry and block signal into path signals, and remove the other two
15:39:41 <welshdragon> Path signals caused problems
15:40:06 <welshdragon> it's a 2 line to 1 line junction with a turnback siding
15:45:10 <Sacro> /tmp/yaourt-tmp-ben/aur-openttd-beta/src/openttd-1.1.0-RC1/src/town_gui.cpp: In function ‘void _Z41__static_initialization_and_destruction_0ii.clone.43()’:
15:45:13 <Sacro> /tmp/yaourt-tmp-ben/aur-openttd-beta/src/openttd-1.1.0-RC1/src/town_gui.cpp:1177:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
15:45:16 <Sacro> Please submit a full bug report,
15:45:19 <Sacro> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
15:45:43 <andythenorth> no downloads of FIRS 0.6.2 yet
15:45:49 <andythenorth> where's the love :\
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15:47:36 <welshdragon> andythenorth, would you be interested in helping make a UK Signals set?
15:48:12 <andythenorth> welshdragon: nope :)
15:48:21 * Terkhen can compile openttd on arch without problems
15:48:21 <andythenorth> sorry, better to be quite honest I reckon
16:05:28 <Sacro> list element in quotes followed by ":" instead of space while executing
16:05:28 <Sacro> "lindex [lindex [split $::errorInfo \n] 0] 1" (procedure "::ap::game::version" line 4) invoked from within
16:05:31 <Sacro> "::ap::game::version $openttd" invoked from within
16:05:33 <Sacro> "set ottd_version [::ap::game::version $openttd]" (file "./autopilot.tcl" line 138)
16:13:43 <Sacro> ahh, had to tell it /usr/games/openttd
16:19:33 <Ammler> he, never tested the tarball :-(
16:20:02 <Ammler> oh, that is about openttd version
16:20:39 <Ammler> Sacro: you might need to set ottd_command?
16:45:13 <Ammler> Sacro: got it running?
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17:07:02 <Sacro> Ammler: Yep, just need to gegt inbound ports unfirewalled
17:10:02 <Ammler> did you need to patch something?
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17:25:27 <dihedral> who on earth would still go for ap+?
17:34:59 <planetmaker> those who don't have a working bot ;-)
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17:35:46 <planetmaker> for the title game competition
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17:51:10 <Hirundo> Is it necessary to publish the names of all voters?
17:53:25 <rane> you're changing game's name?
17:55:03 <planetmaker> Hirundo, yes... it allows people to verify that I count correctly
17:55:16 <planetmaker> Or I could publish fantasy values
17:55:37 <planetmaker> If you want to see yours removed (did you vote?) I'll blank that line
17:55:50 <Hirundo> No I did note vote :)
17:56:09 <SmatZ> like when planetmaker won "the most helpful tt-forums member" voting, but the poll organisator counted votes wrongly, and declared winner owen :)
17:56:40 <planetmaker> he should have made a spreadsheet ;-)
17:56:53 <planetmaker> which counts for him
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18:46:20 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: translators * r22160 /trunk/src/lang/ (romanian.txt traditional_chinese.txt):
18:46:20 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:46:20 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 15 changes by elleryq
18:46:20 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by kkmic
19:02:59 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting, two of my favourites made it into top 3 ;)
19:07:16 <frosch123> psst, Belugas, everyone can see that we did not bother about voting
19:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not really a wine fan...
19:09:14 <Belugas> i'm a fan of good times, does it count?
19:22:52 * avdg wonders whats going on on the wiki
19:25:54 <planetmaker> frosch123: otherwise I'd have to publish a monte-carlo result with the weights distributed according to my personal reference as the vote result ;-)
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19:30:37 <Belugas> where is that poll, by the way?
19:31:19 <planetmaker> Belugas: title game for 1.1 series
19:32:19 <Belugas> ho.. silly me... i though it was the most helpfull member around
19:32:27 <Belugas> like... reality check :S
19:34:10 <planetmaker> mirror mirror on the wall. Who's the silliest of them all?
19:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> True Brain, definitely
19:46:45 <Belugas> Mirror Mirror onthe wall, the face you show me scares me so
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19:52:50 <supermop> so i finally got back to some nml last night
19:53:08 <supermop> but i had a really bad stomach ache and could not really concentrate on it
19:57:38 <supermop> but i did put together a simple grf just for nutrack labels
20:01:26 <planetmaker> (the latter. Bad stomach less so)
20:04:07 <supermop> it didn't do anything though, except give an 'action 0' error when loaded along with nutracks
20:12:01 <supermop> i will try to upload something when i get home from work
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20:36:29 <Belugas> hem... sorry... just reacting on "gretings"....
20:40:26 <grzywacz> Quick question, if I modified some rules in my build of openttd, will it get out of sync if I join a multiplayer game, or is the server doing all calculation and I'll be fine?
20:41:07 <frosch123> you will get out of sync if you change something at the command execution and similar stuff
20:41:11 <Rubidium> depends on the "rules", but it's generally safe to assume it isn't multiplayer safe
20:43:53 <grzywacz> I meant rating calculation in particular.
20:44:07 <Rubidium> oh, that's definitely multiplayer unsafe
20:45:11 <Rubidium> in any case, in OpenTTD the calculations are done by both the server and client
20:45:36 <glx> and they must do exactly the same
20:57:21 <perk11> Rubidium: even company rating?
20:58:02 <frosch123> unless you mean the highscore :) which is gui only
20:58:42 <frosch123> hmm, otoh, maybe the hq produce/accept different cargo
20:58:57 <Rubidium> company rating is used to determine the order in which to ask companies for vehicle prototypes and bankruptcy
20:59:31 <frosch123> hehe, ok, everything is messing with everything :)
21:00:21 <Rubidium> which is why it all seems so simple, but when you get "dirty" you usually will find a small caveat
21:00:22 <perk11> and what if I don't answer the question about vehicle prototype and bankruptcy? will another companies receive a question?
21:01:59 <Rubidium> but your client may decide that the positive answer to those questions sent over the network is before the company is allowed to send those, i.e. they tried to accept the prototype before they would be asked by your client
21:02:18 <Rubidium> which cascades into that company buying vehicles, but them not being built on your client
21:04:35 <perk11> I'm not going to change anything, was just asking about that mechanism, because there aren't any docs
21:08:04 <Rubidium> that's not on the game mechanics page?
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