IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-02-28
00:00:19 <krinn> same for empty plane vs school...
00:00:28 <krinn> only military target should be taken
00:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> now replace "plane" with "bomb" and "civilian building" with "police headquater". and now still make a distinction.
00:01:31 <krinn> it's sad, but crashing the empty plane to military hq and killing civilians nearby is just war casualty, not terrorism
00:01:39 <SpComb> militaries don't mind bombing civilians
00:03:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and if that is still too easy: look at recent news reports about a) a police station being attacked in egypt, and b) a police station being attacked in afghanistan
00:05:27 <krinn> it depend what "police" mean at first
00:05:38 <krinn> for us (i'm sure it's same for german)
00:05:58 <__ln__> afghanistan is not war though, there's only a mere crisis.
00:05:58 <krinn> if you put a policeman at an entry and tell him "no one pass", he will arrest anyone that try
00:06:17 <krinn> put a military, he will kill one that try pass, not really the same
00:06:35 <krinn> but on some country, it's hard to tell police isn't military
00:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: actually, it was officially named a war in germany last year
00:07:13 <__ln__> i think here they still haven't admitted such
00:07:19 <krinn> well, to name it a war you should have someone to fight against right ?
00:08:01 <krinn> and if you admit war against terrorism, then why usa don't came bomb ira, some corsica, or guys at portugal...
00:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: well, the number of dead soldiers skyrocketed that past year
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00:08:19 <bastien> hello
00:08:32 <krinn> because french are there for that Eddi|zuHause :)
00:08:39 <krinn> hi bastien
00:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: i meant dead german soldiers... nobody cares about the rest :p
00:09:00 <bastien> how can I prevent a train from automatically loading at a station?
00:09:13 <bastien> it looks like this: A <-> B <-> C
00:09:23 <krinn> there's a no-stop order
00:09:32 <bastien> trains that do A <-> C automatically load at B
00:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> bastien: use "go non-stop to C" order
00:09:44 <bastien> thakns
00:09:46 <bastien> thanks*
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00:10:21 <krinn> you know what is the worst Eddi|zuHause ?
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00:10:53 <krinn> you can't battle with an army a militia or terrorist, that's not their job
00:11:54 <krinn> the only way to battle terrorism is politics, and politics is why terrorism exist, chicken & egg problem
00:16:14 <krinn> the same dumb ass that invite a fucking dictator to eat and relax in our beautiful houses all paid with our money
00:16:36 <krinn> now he is telling him to leave his own country...
00:17:07 <krinn> and saying to everyone he is a dictator and this must stop
00:17:14 <krinn> what a pitty, what a shame for us :(
00:18:49 <krinn>,8599,1693121,00.html +,7340,L-4034105,00.html
00:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that's "diplomacy"
00:22:54 <krinn> no diplomacy is going in his country and try to make him change for his own people health
00:23:03 <krinn> or sending someone else speaking with him
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00:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause> the world doesn't work like this
00:23:24 <krinn> but not doing it YOURSELF, not in your OWN country, not with the red carpet and all
00:24:29 <__ln__> like a great diplomat once said, "you're either with us, or against us"
00:24:49 <rane> wasn't that "you're with us or you're a nazi"
00:25:47 <__ln__> rane: no, you're confusing nazis with someone else
00:26:26 <rane> word nazi lost its meaning anyway
00:27:26 <krinn> and i never think a neutral position is a no position
00:27:29 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: in your language maybe
00:27:45 <rane> in the media
00:27:47 <rane> in politics
00:28:22 <krinn> not in europe imo
00:28:23 <rane> just go to google images and type "obama nazi"
00:28:35 <rane> here every right-wing government is nazi
00:28:36 <__ln__> IRC is the only media that would abuse the word 'nazi' like you just did.
00:28:41 <rane> Orban is nazi i keep reading
00:28:59 <rane> which is weird cause nazis were socialists, but well
00:29:05 <rane> that word means nothing too;-)
00:29:32 <rane> i don't care either way, just chipping in to the last line of your conversation
00:29:37 <rane> haven't read the rest of it
00:30:41 <krinn> internet, not only irc, forums...
00:30:47 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: originally, the word "nazi" is derived from "nationalistic"
00:31:28 <rane> no, it is derived from nationalsozialismus
00:31:33 <rane> na - zi
00:32:07 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: well, i think you're missing a few steps there ;)
00:32:12 <rane> so socialism is a part of it just like nationalism is
00:32:15 <krinn> abbreviated from the pronunciation of "Nationalsozialist (wiki)
00:32:55 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: yes, that is more likely
00:33:08 <rane> what if i just edited that entry
00:33:13 <rane> to make me look like i am right?
00:33:15 <rane> :-p
00:33:20 <rane> knowing you will go check me there
00:33:20 <krinn> :P
00:33:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the 't' in 'Natio...' is spoken like 'z'
00:33:22 <rane> no other source
00:33:36 <krinn> that's why i said (wiki)
00:33:37 <rane> it's from the German word
00:33:55 <krinn> a great source, but never leave somewhere it's also a weak source
00:34:22 <krinn> (... somewhere in your mind...)
00:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: but insinuating the "ZI" in "nazi" comes from "soZIalistisch" is just absurd
00:36:27 <rane> feel free to prove me wrong
00:36:45 <rane> in the meantime i finish this last hub:-)
00:36:46 <krinn> well, just telling a "black" is a nazi sounds absurd
00:38:03 <__ln__> "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
00:38:08 <Eddi|zuHause> in america, the term "nazi" really has lost its meaning, but in europe, and especially in germany, it has not
00:38:11 <__ln__> congrats rane
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00:38:20 <krinn> nazi didn't only grab jews, but tzigan, black, gays... and of course many forget, but even opponents or disagree german were killed
00:39:02 <rane> well, there was sozi and then there was nazi, sozi with added nationalism component
00:39:23 <rane> why are we talking nazi here anyway
00:39:31 <rane> i hate educating people via irc:-p
00:39:37 <krinn> because you speak about it :)
00:39:57 <rane> i blame Eddi and his taunting me
00:40:05 <rane> "absurd" he said
00:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: you brought it up
00:40:08 <rane> now he's googling :-)
00:40:38 <krinn> rane where you from?
00:41:06 <rane> is that an argument in the discussion?
00:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: i'm the uneducated german. please teach me about nazis
00:41:14 <__ln__> rane: nonsense, Eddi knows history better than google, so google asks him.
00:41:48 <krinn> rane, no just to know, might explain your pov
00:42:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't touched google since i looked up whether it's "le terreur" or "la terreur", but google wasn't entirely sure either
00:42:34 <__ln__> the 'Ł' in rane's realname hints towards some country...
00:42:59 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, "La" as terror is female (and that's logic no? :) )
00:43:02 <__ln__> if it even is real realname
00:43:16 <rane> no, i made it up to confuse people into thinking i'm from Poland
00:44:17 <__ln__> Oregon State System of Higher Education
00:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: poland? the name sounds more hungarian
00:47:48 <rane> i believe they have Laszlo not Lukasz
00:48:01 <rane> but you can't be certain with Hungarians
00:48:07 <rane> tehy are like Finns :-p
00:48:19 <krinn> Warsaw, Poland
00:48:22 <rane> noone can understand them
00:48:24 <rane> yay
00:48:35 <krinn> that's for the record
00:48:45 <rane> what were we talking about, again
00:48:52 <krinn> i knew i saw that name one time :)
00:49:31 <krinn> that people calling obama a nazi are stupids?
00:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the point was that people who have no problem with real nazis start to use the term for other things...
00:50:54 <krinn> can't be poland so
00:51:08 <rane> i think most people don't even know what the word means
00:51:35 <krinn> indeed, specially as far they are from europe
00:51:37 <__ln__> poland? is that something like disneyland?
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00:52:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a north pole land and a south pole land?
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00:53:40 <__ln__> at least everybody knows that WW II was about US and Britain allying with Germany to fight the Soviets.
00:53:47 <krinn> i'm sure they could even say obama is kkk
00:54:22 <peter1138> *and* an evil moslem
00:54:37 <peter1138> (they're all terrorists)
00:55:24 <rane> "evil muslim" - are you suggesting there are other kinds? ;-)
00:56:05 <krinn> isn't that also stupid ?
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00:58:42 <krinn> this channel must have drow cia computer power a lot
00:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe kenya isn't even a muslim country
01:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> 70% christian, 20% muslim, 10% other
01:00:45 <krinn> well, that must be french stats
01:02:09 <rane> ask an american to point at Kenya on the map
01:02:25 <rane> or France for that matter
01:02:33 <krinn> ask an american to point anywhere outside usa...
01:03:29 <krinn> all french know well african territory
01:04:19 <Eddi|zuHause> <krinn> this channel must have drow cia computer power a lot <-- what do you think CIA-11 is doing here?
01:04:53 <rane> or ask an European to point at Portland or whatever
01:04:53 <krinn> lol saving power
01:05:27 <__ln__> rane: *a European
01:06:05 <rane> depends how you pronounce it
01:06:18 <krinn> really rane, can't show you portland
01:06:26 <krinn> it's in oregon?
01:06:34 <krinn> i'm not sure, but i think
01:06:47 <__ln__> rane: ok how do you pronounce it then?
01:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there's more than one portland ;)
01:07:01 <krinn> still i could only point you texas, NY, california
01:07:11 <rane> __ln__, the way that warrants "an", figure it out
01:07:38 <rane> krinn, play more games with actual world maps:-)
01:07:41 <rane> krinn, eu3 among others
01:08:06 <__ln__> rane: there is no such way.
01:08:09 <krinn> eu3?
01:08:59 <rane> europa universalis
01:09:32 <rane> __ln__, you not being able to figure it out doesn't mean it doesn't exist
01:09:38 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: hawaii, florida and alaska are also fairly easy to find on a map
01:09:55 <krinn> ah yes true Eddi|zuHause
01:10:03 <rane> Alaska is where you can see Russia from
01:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> alaska actually belonged to russia
01:10:33 <__ln__> rane: it does.
01:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> until they sold it. "snow? we have enough of that in sibiria."
01:10:46 <rane> Eddi|zuHause, when was it sold? :-p
01:11:04 <rane> Eddi|zuHause, and for how much?
01:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: something mid-19th-centrury-ish
01:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: something around 7 million $?
01:11:25 <rane> and you say you aren't educated
01:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: i was being ironic.
01:12:35 <glx> <krinn> all french know well african territory <-- well is a bit too much
01:13:18 <krinn> it's not like we don't have a news about that territory like nearly all days
01:13:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a fairly safe bet to say that the average french (or european) knows african countries better than the average american ;)
01:13:57 <glx> I didn't think libya was where it is
01:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause> it's next to egypt
01:14:22 <krinn> glx, in our garden?
01:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> afair libya was an italian colony
01:15:20 <glx> africa was an european colony :)
01:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i think aethiopia never was a colony
01:16:15 <krinn> european were greatest explorers, they put feet everywhere possible with a wind powered boat :)
01:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the italians tried to conquer it, but they utterly failed
01:17:19 <__ln__> is there some great challenge that italians did not utterly fail in?
01:17:19 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, wasn't long time ago no?
01:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that was in 1930-ish
01:17:38 <krinn> i think i heard gadafi speaking about that
01:18:42 <krinn> __ln__, playing with 17 old girls?
01:18:48 <glx> anyway most problems are sequels of (de)colonisation
01:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: well, i guess you need to look 2000 years back...
01:19:31 <krinn> like always: power > politic|religon > war
01:20:41 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: they failed for the little village ;)
01:20:50 <krinn> :)
01:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: ;)
01:21:11 <krinn> the village drown under piss
01:22:56 <krinn> (i hope glx isn't breton, they are too "doch!")
01:23:17 <glx> half
01:24:58 * __ln__ zzzzz
01:25:12 <krinn> yep, time for bed you're right :)
01:25:35 <krinn> night all
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02:30:11 <DanMacK> Hey all
02:31:50 <supermop> hello there
02:32:04 <supermop> do you use devzone, Dan?
02:34:03 <DanMacK> On occasion, yes
02:34:32 <DanMacK> I'm a member to post to OpenGFX but haven't been a huge participant
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02:59:16 <DanMacK> What's up?
03:04:18 <supermop> ah, i was thinking of using it
03:10:41 * DanMacK would ask the Europeans once they're around :P
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04:02:06 <frankVR> hey
04:02:10 <frankVR> quick question
04:02:19 <frankVR> how do you change palyers in single mode?
04:02:54 <frankVR> i was playing a multiplayer game and it crashed, then when i loaded the game it opens in the wrong player.....
04:06:58 <glx> cheat window
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04:21:39 <rane> is there any comprehensive 32bpp train set like grtv set for road vehicles?
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04:31:59 <frankVR> how do you get to the cheat window?
04:32:05 <frankVR> and what do you press
04:32:32 <rane> ctrl+alt+c
04:32:45 <frankVR> thanks mate
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04:35:51 <rane>
04:35:53 <rane> lots of WIP :-\
04:36:09 <rane> but those already done are absolutely beautiful
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04:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: considering that "extra zoom" might not ever make it into a release, these people are possibly setting all the wrong priorities
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04:47:59 <rane> aren't they like making full 3D models anyway
04:48:11 <rane> which can then be photographed by minions at whatever zoom is required
04:48:41 <rane> i thought once a model is done, it can be manipulated into all kinds of zooms
04:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: the way they are currently doing it results rather in "no"
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04:48:52 <rane> also what's wrong with extra zoom levels so it doesn't get into release?
04:49:05 <rane> it helps me play quite a bit:-)
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04:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: the resolution of the game doesn't increase when zooming in, so vehicles "jump"
04:49:34 <rane> ok
04:50:34 <rane> i don't mind default graphics tbh
04:50:49 <rane> but i replaced what i could find and it looks terrific
04:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause> rane: the other problem is that "they" made their "32bpp extra zoom" file format incompatible with the "32bpp" version supported in the releases, so you can't just reuse the files for "normal zoom" either
04:51:05 <rane> shame if it's all an exercise in futility
04:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> at least it used to be like this
04:51:26 <rane> ehhh
04:51:32 <rane> artists :-p
04:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and the third problem is that they have been working on this for several years, and haven't shown even the remotest progress in getting to actually finish it
04:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause> in contrast to the 8bpp replacement graphics (opengfx), which have been completed in a fraction of that time
04:53:28 <rane> why can't they just replace everything that's in the base game and then do their other stuff after hours:-)
04:53:38 <rane> whatever "they" means
04:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i have grown really completely uninterested in the project
04:58:15 <rane> oh well, maybe when i get back to openttd in 2012 or 2014 or 2016
04:58:20 <rane> they will be done
04:58:22 <rane> :-)
04:58:32 <rane> cause that's my interval pretty much
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07:39:27 <Terkhen> good morning
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07:45:47 <rane> hello
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09:13:11 <Stone> hi does any one of you have expierience to build openttd under mac os x with option --enbale-universal i get the error: Please install/upgrade your Xcode to >= 2.5 <- but i have install xcode 3.2 fresh with every packages that is included, by now i am without any imagination
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09:23:46 * welshdragon emerges from the woodwork
09:25:00 <welshdragon> in the 1.1.0 beta I have opened a scenario that I want to add grf's to, Is this no longer possible?
09:26:11 <Terkhen> Stone: they don't seem to be around now, I can only point you to the compiling on mac os wiki but it's not opening for me for some reason
09:26:32 <Stone> okay
09:28:21 <Stone> Terkhen: I do not know why, but i if i starte "make" i get an error, even if i use ./configure without any other options
09:28:49 <Terkhen> welshdragon: there are threads about why that is disabled by default in the forum, if you already know the consequences of changing NewGRFs ingame, set scenario_developer to true in your openttd.cfg
09:29:48 <Stone> Terkhan: here my pasetbin of the error:
09:30:54 <Terkhen> looks like something mac specific is missing (and I don't know much about that), check if you missed any steps at
09:31:02 <Terkhen> I wonder why I can't access
09:31:31 <Stone> which country are you?
09:31:43 <Terkhen> spain
09:32:19 <Stone> hm crazy, i think you want this side:
09:32:35 <Stone> doesn't work directly right?
09:33:20 <Terkhen> it should work for you
09:33:46 <welshdragon> Terkhen, that's stupid then, A lot of scenario's are not bundled with GRF's
09:33:55 <Terkhen> or downforeveryoneorjustme is lying
09:34:05 <Stone> i going through the compiling site but didnt help realy
09:34:18 <Stone> can you reach this ip
09:34:20 <Terkhen> welshdragon: check the threads at the forum, I don't really want to have this discussion again
09:34:27 <Stone> this the server by the way
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09:35:28 <Terkhen> Stone: the packets are lost somewhere in my ISP network
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09:39:48 <Stone> Terkhen: here are proxy, which works ;)
09:39:58 <Stone>
09:40:44 <Terkhen> thank you, but I shouldn't be needing that
09:40:55 <Terkhen> if it is not fixed in a few hours I'll contact them
09:44:27 <Stone> anyway the side doesnt help me
09:44:37 <Stone> that was my first adress
09:45:34 <Stone> by now i give and do not want to waste my time for this, even i like the game
09:45:54 <Stone> thx for your help :)
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10:06:15 <rane> why use so long trains in the tgv concept?
10:06:28 <V453000> ?
10:06:56 <V453000> passenger productions are usually very high
10:07:03 <rane> looking at the archives
10:07:24 <V453000> btw you are in the wrong channel
10:16:07 <dihedral> good morning
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10:17:53 <Terkhen> good morning dihedral
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10:26:25 <resq> hallo
10:27:42 <resq> anyone there?
10:28:02 <blathijs> Apparently not too much people ;-p
10:29:43 <resq> I'm getting really mad with this game, can't get cities to grow as I want it :(
10:30:04 <V453000> why is that
10:30:36 <resq> I'm playing scenario europe for over 150years, have settings set to very fast cities grow and metropolies and everything
10:30:39 <__ln__> resq: then you should go out and enjoy the sunshine.
10:31:49 <resq> and my biggest city grew to 40k and stopped, I try everything, transporting goods into several places in town, transporting passengers and valuables and still nothing :/
10:32:03 <resq> grew to 44k and then came back to 40k
10:32:51 <resq> I played this game about a year ago and had the same problem, so I quit, but after a year came back cause I like this game
10:33:18 <Terkhen> resq:
10:33:20 <resq> I can't understand this, I'm using tips from openttd wiki etc
10:33:52 <Terkhen> my connection to is back, strange
10:36:00 <resq> anyway, I noticed that cieties that only have few bus stops grow fast, and then I start to build more bus stops and more buses, and they slow down a lot
10:40:31 <resq> Does the station/bus stop transport rating have any affect on city grow?
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10:47:12 <dihedral> i am not sure whether busses are capable of transporting as much as trains / planes can
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10:50:55 <resq> I mean whether passengers transport rating at bus stops has influence on city grow? Or is it that just requires bus traveling between stations.
10:51:53 <Terkhen> Town growth can be accelerated by loading and unloading at least one item of cargo at up to five stations within town influence within a two month period. It does not matter which cargos are loaded/unloaded. <--- rating does not seem to matter
10:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, rating will usually be low if you don't service frequently, then also the growth bonus won't apply. so there's a correlation but not a causality
10:53:36 <Terkhen> you should also fund new buildings frequently
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10:59:10 <resq> ok thank you, I'll try this
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11:38:50 <peter1138> 1138 o'clock
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11:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> not true at all!
11:44:18 <Eddi|zuHause> [28.02.2011 12:38] <peter1138> 1138 o'clock
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12:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause> bah... everything is so huge now
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13:12:48 <dihedral> :-)
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13:14:04 <peter1138> Is that what she... never mind.
13:17:21 <Noldo> *tirsk*
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13:36:41 <DanMacK> Hey all
13:43:33 <andythenorth> hi DanMacK
13:49:22 * andythenorth should find a way to hide the 'suggestions' forum from sight
13:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: pledge to orudge for a more useful ignore feature
13:52:58 <andythenorth> does he sell features for donations? :P
13:53:03 <Belugas> hello
13:54:49 <DanMacK> Hey Andy
14:00:00 * andythenorth will now indicate sound track of bombay:
14:00:02 <andythenorth> beep
14:00:04 <andythenorth> beep beep
14:00:05 <andythenorth> beep
14:00:12 <andythenorth> beep beep beep beep beep beep beep
14:00:14 <andythenorth> beep
14:00:17 <andythenorth> you get the idea :P
14:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as the "beep" does not increase in rate and suddenly go "boom", then the "bomb" is harmless ;)
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14:01:50 <andythenorth> meh
14:09:25 <Terkhen> andythenorth: do you set property 0x08 for cargos? (bit number for bitmasks)
14:09:33 <Terkhen> I'm wondering if I can ignore it
14:09:41 * andythenorth looks
14:09:55 <Yexo> y
14:10:40 <andythenorth> Terkhen: FIRS does
14:10:52 <Terkhen> hmm... okay
14:11:01 <Terkhen> I guess it does not hurt to set it
14:12:24 <Terkhen> but since I have to move the default ones anyways (they overlap) they won't be of much use
14:12:35 <Terkhen> thanks andythenorth :)
14:14:26 <andythenorth> I didn't code cargos, so I only half-understand them
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14:32:24 * andythenorth will leave internets now for holiday :P
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14:43:47 <Stone> hi has someone an idea to solve this issue:
14:44:30 <peter1138> Nice.
14:46:07 <Stone> any idea?
14:46:46 <peter1138> Nope.
14:46:57 <Stone> okay
14:47:06 <Yexo> Stone: mac was not supported for 1.0, you could try compiling 1.1.0-rc1
14:47:36 <Stone> hm okay i will try
14:48:38 <Yexo> I very much doubt that will solve your problem though, it looks like something in your system headers, not something which openttd can do anything about
14:52:30 <Stone> Yexo: btw have you an idea why i get that message i have a to old xcode installed (my one is up-to-date)
14:53:00 <Yexo> maybe you have both and old and new version installed?
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14:53:27 <peter1138> Heh, When did you paste-bin that? Searching for that error gives two results, one of which is your paste.
14:53:39 <Stone> lol
14:53:55 <Stone> i paste it today 3 hour or sth ago
14:55:16 <Stone> i hate do ask, but i do i use makefile Flags right?
14:55:21 <Stone> sry
14:55:30 <Stone> i mean the enviroment variables
14:56:31 <Stone> Cause if i try to compile know i get the lzma issue, to fixed it i installed it about my macports
14:58:17 <Stone> but it still doesnt find it
15:00:33 <Terkhen> did you follow the lzma part of the compiling on mac tutorial?
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15:01:35 <Wolf01> hello
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15:02:30 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01
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15:29:09 <alluke> does anyone know whats that roadset in the second picture?
15:29:10 <alluke>
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15:33:35 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: yexo * r22157 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] industry prop 0x11 is 4-bytes long, not 3 bytes
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15:46:10 <DanMacK> alluke - It's YARRS
15:46:28 <DanMacK>
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15:48:03 <alluke_> wtf
15:48:05 <alluke_> im twice
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15:48:49 <alluke_> still
15:48:50 <alluke_> wtf
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15:52:28 <alluke> now
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16:05:19 <DanMacK> Hey Lakie
16:05:32 <Lakie> Hi DanMacK
16:13:00 <alluke> o hi thar
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16:45:14 <zydeco> greetings
16:45:42 <Terkhen> hi zydeco
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16:53:45 <alluke> lakie
16:53:52 <alluke> have you started the coding yet?
16:54:22 <Lakie> No,
16:54:31 <Lakie> There are stages before just jumping in
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17:04:08 <DanMacK> Lots of prep indeed
17:05:25 <alluke> ok
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18:30:31 * frosch123 wonders whether aristocratical people have higher chances to become ottd developers
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18:30:45 <peter1138> eh?
18:31:30 <frosch123> just like certain barons can acquire phds :p
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18:40:14 <Nite> Hi!
18:40:31 <Nite> anyone expierienced with ecs 1.0 here?
18:41:02 <Terkhen> @get -3
18:41:02 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: Don't ask to ask, just ask
18:41:18 <Nite> because towns accepting food seems broken in temperate ...
18:42:09 <Terkhen> that's probably a issue of the town/house set
18:42:36 <Nite> well "ecs houses" is used
18:42:59 <Nite> maybee they just need some parameter ...
18:45:29 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: translators * r22158 /trunk/src/lang/ (japanese.txt korean.txt):
18:45:29 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:29 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: japanese - 39 changes by kokubunzi
18:45:29 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: korean - 119 changes by junho2813, telk5093
18:45:29 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: slovenian - 30 changes by
18:46:25 <Nite> i cannot find ecs houses wiki ... men the ecs wiki is a labyrinth
18:47:29 <Nite> found
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18:51:19 <Nite> ok found aout that it is intended ... that temperate ecs houses accept no food ... breaks the agricultural vector ... ... if anyone intrerested
18:52:19 <Terkhen> Nite: you might want to post in the ECS houses / ECS problems thread about that
18:52:22 <V453000> hm, I played temperate with ecs not long ago and it worked
18:52:41 <Terkhen> as things said in IRC tend to get forgotten
18:53:01 <Markk> Nope.
18:53:03 <Markk> I have logs.
18:53:06 <Markk> As proof.
18:53:14 <Nite> you maybee used "TTRS3" V453000
18:53:30 <V453000> yes, probably
19:01:46 <alluke> why such an odd nick
19:04:02 <V453000> me?
19:05:02 <Belugas> evey nick has a reason
19:05:15 <Belugas> it's on ly odd for those who don't know the reason
19:06:08 <V453000> ^ :)
19:08:57 <Belugas> like... look at me... who would be nicked a whale? 'cause no, it's not the plane, it's indeed the marine mammal...
19:09:10 <Nite> it might be 7331 for "vaseooo" ;)
19:11:19 <Nite> (using UK Towns Set with ecs for temperate food seems 2 work also btw)
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19:58:47 <dihedral> 1.9 :-P
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20:28:35 <rane> i can make a normal screenshot with ctrl+s
20:28:44 <rane> but ctrl+g for "entire map" screenshots produces no file
20:28:56 <rane> any suggestions how to resolve it?
20:29:23 <rane> i've got plenty of space on my drive
20:30:32 <Rubidium> the hotkey was removed, as accidentally pressing it cause quite a few bug reports/complaints
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20:31:26 <Rubidium> but... you can set it in hotkeys.cfg
20:39:15 <rane> cool
20:39:30 <rane> it wasn't that bad an idea to remove it actually
20:40:01 <rane> thank you
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20:41:22 <rane> another thing, can i see terrain somehow by hiding everything there is on the map, even grass?
20:41:36 <rane> i mean just the brown thing underneath
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20:46:25 <frosch123> no, you can only hide most buildings
20:46:49 <frosch123> ctrl+x, and press all buttons, esp. the bottom row
20:48:04 <rane> exactly what i needed:-)
20:48:15 <rane> see the map for what it is
20:48:22 <rane> where ups and lows are
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21:02:23 <frosch123> night
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21:48:14 <avdg> Yexo: when is the wikibot triggered to do its job?
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22:30:17 <Nite> i know how funny requests over irc are especially when the rc is already out ... but
22:30:50 <Nite> why dont we have a left/right scrollbar in the trainlist view !?
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22:31:47 <Nite> and or the shared order view?
22:31:59 <Nite> is it "on the list"?
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22:40:11 <Yexo> avdg: not, I have to trigger it manually
22:41:04 <Yexo> it's hacked together in python and I don't fully trust it, especially not when someone accidentally makes a mistake in using the template
22:41:36 <Yexo> so it requires me to manually confirm every edit it makes (just by pressing enter after reviewing the diff)
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22:42:46 <Yexo> I regularly watch the recent changes page on the wiki, so if I notice any new pages I'll trigger it
22:42:57 <avdg> k :)
22:43:04 <Yexo> in case I do miss a page please notify me either here or by posting on my talk page on the wiki
22:45:57 <Yexo> avdg: if you have any other requests, like moving every dutch article in categoryA to categoryA/Nl for example, feel free to ask
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22:46:38 <avdg> k
22:58:08 <Terkhen> good night
22:58:13 <avdg> gn
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23:19:13 <Wolf01> 'night
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