IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-01-27
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00:00:00 <SpComb^> apache doesn't let you config them?
00:00:13 <Ammler> SpComb^: I have no idea
00:00:23 <Ammler> the first time, I setup fcgi
00:00:49 <SpComb^> you can always write a simple wrapper script that sets up the env and then exec's the pngtile.fcgi
00:00:56 <Ammler> in general, it works, also flup installed
00:03:53 <SpComb^> ubuntu has libapache2-mod-fastcgi and libapache2-mod-fcgid
00:04:53 <SpComb^> mod_fcgid sounds better
00:07:13 <Ammler> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'application'
00:07:29 <Ammler> File "/home/openttdcoop/domains/maps.openttdcoop.org/cgi-bin/pngtile.fcgi", line 33, in <module>
00:08:46 <SpComb^> (or wget the new dist tarball)
00:08:47 <Ammler> then I need to rebuild?
00:09:39 <SpComb^> the cache format hasn't changed
00:15:32 <Ammler> I need to remove 2.5 from python2.5
00:16:56 <Ammler> malformed header from script. Bad header=prefix /view: pngtile.fcgi
00:17:41 <Ammler> ScriptAliasMatch ^/view(.*) /home/openttdcoop/domains/maps.openttdcoop.org/pngtile/bin/pngtile.fcgi$1 <-- maybe I need to do that a bit other :-)
00:19:55 <SpComb^> yeah, forgot to commit the fix for that
00:22:14 <Ammler> I might need to sleep "over it"
00:23:46 <Ammler> but it is from the python
00:24:01 <Ammler> so at least, it looks like my cgi works
00:26:01 <SpComb^> it's just the /static files that don't, you probably want an Alias or something for those
00:27:31 <SpComb^> /pngtile/static/..., to be exact
00:29:13 <SpComb^> the URL depends on the SCRIPT_NAME, so it's a little magical... depends on the server
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00:35:14 <Ammler> but that doesn't work, if I use ScriptAliasMatch
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00:35:54 <SpComb^> Ammler: can't have an Alias inside a ScriptAliasMatch?
00:37:38 <Ammler> so everything would be handled by that script
00:37:51 <Ammler> pngtile/static for example
00:38:44 <SpComb^> and you can't have the Alias match before the ScriptAliasMatch?
00:40:53 <SpComb^> Ammler: try having an Alias or AliasMatch *before* the ScriptAliasMatch
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00:48:08 <SpComb^> appears a little... spotty to me
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00:49:08 <Ammler> I guess, I need to change it to static
00:49:29 <Tijuanens> Forum welcomes anybody who hates niggers and isn't a nigger. Asian? No Problem! Jewish? We have Jewish mods! Mexican? Bienvenido amigo! No matter what race you are, join us if you hate niggers!
00:50:31 <SpComb^> Ammler: change what to static?
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00:51:07 <Ammler> fcgi static with sockets
00:51:39 <sawtooth> never even mentioned where the forum was. talk about spam fail :)
00:51:45 <Sacro> if you're gonnaspam about a group that hates niggers then surely you should at least post a url
00:52:08 <Rubidium> Sacro: but then you'd be autokilled by the network
00:53:51 <Rubidium> yes, try spamming such a link to lots of channels, especially #oftc
00:55:16 <SpComb^> Ammler: sounded confusing :P
00:55:36 <Ammler> I was on the howto to setup python fcgi
00:55:42 <glx> and I have an autokb triggered by the url
00:56:20 <Ammler> this guy pmd me with url
00:57:49 <SpComb^> Ammler: does your apache config actually launch more than one FastCGI backend?
00:58:11 <SpComb^> the conf you pastebinned earlier looks a little lacking in that regard
00:58:27 <SpComb^> doesn't actually mention FastCGI anywhere :o
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01:08:58 <Ammler> tried to add "FastCgiServer /home/openttdcoop/domains/maps.openttdcoop.org/pngtile/bin/pngtile.fcgi -processes 4 -socket /tmp/fcgi.sock"
01:09:47 <Ammler> Invalid command 'FastCgiServer', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
01:12:15 <SpComb^> do you even have mod_fastcgi loaded?
01:12:48 <SpComb^> I'm not completely familiar with flup, but it'd be amusing if it fell back to CGI if run like that :)
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01:36:11 <Ammler> yes, if I disable cgi, it doesn't work anymore
01:36:30 <Ammler> so fcgid seems not working...
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01:39:52 <Ammler> Premature end of script headers: pngtile.fcgi
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10:17:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18923 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#3565]: Check source stationspec exists before copying layouts.
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11:24:15 <Rubidium> your summoning skills are not working
11:25:09 <TrueBrain> well .. I don't think there are users on the ircserver themself
12:06:22 <Noldo> TrueBrain: What constitutes a datacenter?
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12:08:52 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody here is remotely interested in apple...
12:09:01 <Forked> also we don't trust your shortened url
12:09:09 <TrueBrain> Noldo: try making a suggestion, and I tell you if it is :)
12:10:30 <Rubidium> basically: does it have multiple filled racks? If so, then probably, if not then unlikely
12:10:50 <Forked> Johnmit: nice try with the rickrolling. also it failed
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12:11:41 <TrueBrain> and is it connected to your home ADSL modem, then it most likely isn't :p
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12:13:34 <Xaroth> Johnmit: rickrolling was so last century.. nowadays there's previewers for bit.ly and warning addons for firefox.
12:13:42 <Xaroth> so no matter how you wrap it up, it won't work.
12:15:07 <TrueBrain> Noldo: we are not looking for anything that can or might go by you changing your position in that thing
12:15:29 <TrueBrain> in other words: we need mirrors which say yes out of their own perspective, not because of 'for friends' perspective :)
12:15:50 <Rubidium> "Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) Server at 10.0.0.34 Port 80" <- yeah, that's lame :)
12:16:12 <Noldo> Rubidium: you happen to know how to fake that btw ;)
12:16:15 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: to be fair it's like the SNT
12:16:18 <Johnmit> Xaroth - yeah I know, but its still fun to reminisce
12:16:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no, SNT agreed on it by their own, not because you or I asked them ;)
12:16:45 <Johnmit> and admittedly it works better on twitter then IRC...
12:17:30 <Xaroth> depends on the irc channel tbh
12:17:31 * Rubidium wonders why I, as a Dutchy, get so annoyed by then v. than
12:17:46 <SpComb^> it's, err, well, kind of rack-mounted, in a way
12:17:56 <SpComb^> and I hope you don't mind if I'd turn it off at night so I can sleep? :)
12:17:59 <Xaroth> Rubidium: too much time with petern?
12:18:10 <TrueBrain> Noldo: so if you can promise something long term, it is a more-than-welcome mirror
12:18:25 <Xaroth> it's been said he kills a kitten every time somebody mixes up then/than
12:19:13 <peter1138> SpComb^, odd angle...
12:19:19 <SpComb^> peter1138: heat rises
12:21:47 <Xaroth> SpComb^: big issue is, where does the cool air come in :P
12:22:01 <Xaroth> unless there's holes in that board :P
12:22:21 <Rubidium> that reminds me of that instance when the SNT had some cooling problems
12:22:40 <SpComb^> pfft, there's at least a 20cm^2 air gap between the door and the bottom of the shoe-rack cabinet
12:23:56 <SpComb^> and the door's a little crooked, so there's plenty of open space around the edges around the top
12:24:36 <Johnmit> Xaroth do you mean the board that's made out of slats?
12:25:02 <Johnmit> SpComb^ - so it gets plenty of air because the furniture is badly built?
12:25:38 <SpComb^> it's a netburst, it's *supposed* to run hot :)
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12:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r18924 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_order.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: AIOrder::GetOrderDestination could return a non-waypoint tile when the waypoint was a multitile waypoint
13:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> oh this noise really drives me nuts...
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13:03:18 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: you get used to it over time
13:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean: you get deaf over time
13:03:56 <SpComb^> weel, turn the music up louder
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13:07:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r18925 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_order.cpp: -Fix (r18924): a waypoint can have a buoy but no rail waypoint tile
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15:25:10 <JimD> Has anyone ever developed a way to have fastforward mode in multiplayer?
15:25:48 <Rubidium> somehow none of the clients could keep up
15:26:15 <Rubidium> quickly they lagged more than 4 game days and got booted from the server
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15:34:47 <JimD> Is there simply an increased game speed instead of fast forward?
15:35:45 <Rubidium> you can 'hack' the source to make the time of a tick shorter, but that might give lags at the clients
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15:50:23 <peter1138> more likely to drop off
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16:18:40 <Belugas> stupid bank... Me:"i need a serial cable for that unit" B:"i don't know what you mean (...) here are 4 cable types, choose the one you need" Me:"the green one will be fine. it's a serial connector. But where is the power pack?". B:"You don't need one, the power comes from the computer" Me:"And why is there a connector for a 12v input on the connector?" B:"I don't know what you mean"
16:18:51 <Belugas> stupid stupid stupid!
16:19:57 <peter1138> serial port does not provide power :s
16:20:43 <fjb> Serial port? Don't know what you mean. :-P
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16:26:34 <Belugas> the funny thing : they gave me serial, ethernet, usb and standalone. All of them DO require power :P
16:26:54 <Belugas> fjb: it was before your time ;)
16:27:14 <Rubidium> Belugas: USB provides (some) power
16:27:41 <peter1138> probably not enough for it
16:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> not enough to spin up a hard drive, though ;)
16:27:42 <Rubidium> and there's also PoE (power over ethernet)
16:30:00 <Rubidium> anyhow... the good old days of interlink :)
16:30:38 <Belugas> the unit do requires 12v and tolerates 600ma to 1A.
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17:46:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anyone else getting "connection refused" on tt-forums?
17:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "network unreachable"
17:47:46 <murr4y> front page works fine here
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17:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... weird... it works from the other computer...
17:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but other websites work fine...
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18:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: both computers have the same public ip
18:25:08 <orudge> everything seems fine for me, anyway
18:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, that might be possible, that i have IPv6 in my local network, and it can't get out of there...
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18:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, ipv4.* works, ipv6.* does not
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18:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, not worth digging into from my side...
18:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18926 /trunk/src/lang/ (romanian.txt ukrainian.txt unfinished/vietnamese.txt):
18:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 3 changes by kkmic
18:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 2 changes by Madvin
18:45:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 738 changes by myquartz
18:47:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18927 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Change: move Vietnamese out of unfinished
18:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so wt3 does not handle the unfinished part?
18:52:14 <Rubidium> it doesn't move the files around
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19:01:13 <Rubidium> but it handles unfinished, as you can see just before 738 changes were made
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19:22:03 <Ammler> it isn't possible to join a server with a dedicated version, I assume?
19:27:12 <FauxFaux> Why would you want to do that?
19:32:52 <peter1138> you could probably cobble something together
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19:37:32 <Ammler> looks like it does simply ignore -n
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19:52:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18928 /trunk/src/timetable_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18304): The date in case of 'early arrival' was misaligned in the timetable GUI.
19:55:42 <Ammler> hmm, today, I don't find the screenshots anymore :-o
19:55:56 <Ammler> SpComb^: seems to be right with "randomly" locations
20:03:50 <Ammler> (seems like you need to define the blitter with -b, it doesn't read from the cfg in the dedicated version)
20:04:48 <peter1138> it's spelled, and pronounced, "oops"
20:07:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18929 /trunk/src/vehicle_base.h: -Fix [FS#3568]: Preserve some timetable related vehicle flags during autorenew/-replace.
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20:51:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18930 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_group.cpp ai_group.hpp): -Fix: [NoAI] Autoreplace is also valid for the default group.
20:54:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18931 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_cmd.cpp company_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Disabling autoreplace rules might count invalid engines.
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22:00:58 <stalwart10> is there any way to change the date format in openttd? I've been grepping through the source until I found a hard-coded format, is it possible to internationalize it?
22:08:18 <Rubidium> stalwart10: the date format where?
22:08:29 <stalwart10> for example in the status bar
22:08:53 <Rubidium> that's 'customisable' via the language file
22:08:53 <stalwart10> it would be nice to change from d/m/y to somethind else
22:09:12 <stalwart10> it looks very cryptic
22:09:36 <stalwart10> what does "{STRING} {STRING} {NUM}" mean?
22:10:36 <Rubidium> take a string from the 'stack', take another string from the 'stack' and take a number from the 'stack'
22:10:42 <Luukland> stalwart, you can use LONG, ISO, SHORT format
22:10:54 <Rubidium> e.g. Japanese has a different format
22:11:07 <Luukland> Advanced settings -> Interface -> Display Options
22:11:09 <stalwart10> I am gonna check that
22:11:39 <Luukland> AH no, that is for savegame only
22:11:42 <stalwart10> luukland: that's for the file name
22:12:07 <stalwart10> I can change between short and long
22:12:20 <stalwart10> I will see the japanese version
22:12:25 <Luukland> you can make a patch for it :)
22:12:30 <stalwart10> hope I can change back to normal
22:14:10 <stalwart10> now it looks like a translation issue
22:14:18 <stalwart10> I am even less familiar with the translator
22:14:22 <Rubidium> the hebrew date is the most fun :)
22:15:21 <stalwart10> besides the cryptic charaters :-)
22:15:45 <Rubidium> it's a right-to-left language
22:16:11 <Rubidium> and the 'reorder' algorithm messes with the order of the numbers
22:16:31 <stalwart10> like the {LRM} part?
22:16:33 <Rubidium> so you need to do a bit more persuasion to make sure it does it right
22:17:05 <Rubidium> and the } and so that look incorrect
22:17:14 <Rubidium> (well, at least here it looks incorrect)
22:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> what if i want to translate the date into islamic calender?
22:19:16 <stalwart10> I think it means a patch
22:19:35 <stalwart10> Now I'm happy because I could change the date format for my language
22:20:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then you're probably breaking NewGRFs and the likes
22:21:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: not if the change is limited to gui
22:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. it still counts the christian date internally
22:22:24 <Rubidium> but... monthly saves
22:22:39 <Rubidium> makes things quite tricky
22:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it shouldn't be more difficult than kilometer/mile and the like
22:23:45 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: really? Tell me how many days the first month has :)
22:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know... does the islamic calender have months?
22:24:11 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes, it has months
22:24:16 <stalwart10> I think wikipedia knows
22:24:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess it's moon based, like the jewish calender
22:25:21 <Rubidium> "A majority of theologians oppose the use of calculations on the grounds that the Qur'an requires direct sighting in Surah al-Baqarah 2:185 [19] and that calculations would not conform with Muhammad's recommendation to observe the new moon of Ramadan and Shawal in order to determine the beginning of these months.[20]"
22:25:36 <Rubidium> that quote tells me enough :)
22:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't sound much different than most of the protestant countries opposing to the gregorian calender for centuries...
22:27:04 <Rubidium> and actually, one could argue that someone in India and America could observe the new moon on a different day
22:27:15 <Rubidium> as such their months start at a different day
22:27:53 <Rubidium> on the other hand...
22:28:06 <stalwart10> I fixed the date format, and know I want to put it in the translator
22:28:13 <stalwart10> but I am not allowed
22:28:23 <stalwart10> so can I send it as a patch?
22:29:08 <Rubidium> disable "Always show long date in the status bar" + a NewGRF to change the introduction dates and you're done :)
22:30:27 <Rubidium> although... it's a good argument against visible climate changes throughout the year
22:30:51 <Rubidium> stalwart10: just become a translator?
22:31:11 <stalwart10> I clicked and everything
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22:31:21 <stalwart10> it really one single string
22:32:26 <Rubidium> I've heard that before and before we knew it he had 100 'single' strings that were wrong and needed fixing
22:32:46 <Rubidium> anyhow, you might want to read the page once you clicked on 'faq'
22:33:36 <stalwart10> Rubidium: good point
22:36:27 <Rubidium> actually, it's quite likely that your language isn't even fully translated
22:36:54 <stalwart10> just the date format is not correct
22:37:34 <Rubidium> hmm, what language are we speaking about then?
22:37:55 <Rubidium> that has two untranslated strings
22:38:52 <stalwart10> these must be nasty strings introduced in a recent revision :-)
22:40:16 <stalwart10> maybe 5 days is not that bad?
22:40:39 <stalwart10> how far away is the new stable?
22:40:57 <Rubidium> at least 1 release candidate
22:41:29 <Rubidium> (or in other words, there's no definite date)
22:42:21 <Rubidium> although, since 1.0 hasn't been branched it'll be some weeks at least
22:42:28 <aber> Coffee black and egg white
22:42:28 <aber> There is one thing i don't like about the new graphics, its the "Click to stop all trains inside the depot" and the "Click to start..." Button.
22:43:23 <Rubidium> aber: new graphics == OpenGFX?
22:43:30 <SmatZ> aber: same problem here ;)
22:44:02 <SmatZ> also, red button usually implies "start recording" for me :-)
22:45:24 <stalwart10> SmatZ: it is not that bad, because these are the same buttons the vehicles have
22:45:35 <Rubidium> in that case I suggest that you file a bug report/feature request about it at their official tracker
22:49:21 <peter1138> oh, yeah, they used a blob instead of a flag
22:50:32 <aber> Totally different thing, who or where is openttd.org hosted? It takes about one minute for me to open a page.
22:51:07 <SmatZ> I don't have any problem though
22:51:25 <stalwart10> other totally different thing: I get sometimes a message in the console: "dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer" what does this mean?
22:51:43 <SmatZ> stalwart10: a string is too long for destination buffer
22:52:03 <SmatZ> in other words, you will probably see incomplete strings being drawn
22:52:37 <Rubidium> would be nice to know what the exact circumstances are to get that debug message
22:52:49 <aber> This is an networking thing. My network Connection is not to bad :D at all.
22:54:08 <Rubidium> aber: is it a specific page that loads slow, or is it just *everything*?
22:54:34 <Rubidium> might you have (locally) enabled IPv6 and that doesn't get routed to the internet?
22:55:01 <Rubidium> in that case, does tt-forums.net load as slow too?
22:56:34 <aber> i have an IPv adress... And i had this problem with also inside the forum.
22:56:51 <Rubidium> aber: ipv4.tt-forums.net works quick?
22:58:18 <aber> at the moment the forums thems to be really quick, while contacting openttd.org take quite a while.
22:59:30 <Rubidium> does disabling IPv6 help?
23:01:11 <aber> okay, wooow. Its so fast.
23:03:09 <stalwart10> SmatZ: where this string might be coming from?
23:03:58 <aber> so, a problem with my non working IPv6 setup?
23:04:03 <SmatZ> stalwart10: it doesn't happen for me when using English language - it is probably caused by language file you are using or by a newgrf
23:04:27 <SmatZ> stalwart10: does it happen when you open one spiecific window?
23:04:39 <stalwart10> SmatZ: when I load a game
23:05:45 <SmatZ> stalwart10: can you post the savegame?
23:09:07 <SmatZ> stalwart10: does a "NoAI Debug" window open after loading that game?
23:09:30 <stalwart10> there are no competitors
23:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <stalwart10> other totally different thing: I get sometimes a message in the console: "dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer" what does this mean? <-- you happen to use cargodist?
23:10:47 <stalwart10> Eddi: no, I don't use any newgrf extras
23:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i only get that message in cargodist, not in trunk...
23:15:53 <SmatZ> stalwart10: maybe it happens when you open the "load game" dialog?
23:16:28 <stalwart10> when I actually load the game
23:20:10 <SmatZ> stalwart10: if you can compile, you can try adding breakpoint (crashpoint ;) to string.cpp:86
23:20:19 <SmatZ> and have a look at the backtrace
23:20:45 <stalwart10> SmatZ: I will try that
23:24:43 <stalwart10> SmatZ: strange, I added simple exit call and now I don't even get the message
23:25:25 <SmatZ> stalwart10: and does it exit?
23:25:37 <SmatZ> it's possible buffers aren't flushed or so
23:25:44 <stalwart10> the whole message is gone
23:25:50 <stalwart10> the problem is gone
23:26:06 <SmatZ> perhaps there was something broken in your build or lang file
23:26:09 <stalwart10> a strange way to solve a problem, but thanks :-)
23:26:42 <SmatZ> I hope it won't be back when you remove that exit()
23:26:54 <stalwart10> it did not come back
23:26:58 <stalwart10> hope it stays this way
23:27:12 <stalwart10> I upgraded something in a lang file
23:27:22 <stalwart10> maybe that was the source of the problem
23:27:40 <SmatZ> maybe it wasn't up-to-date
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23:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that can only happen in west germany... in east germany a majority of women were working, and schools generally had (optional) afternoon services for their children (called "Hort")
23:46:18 <__ln__> "Western wives, by contrast, until 1977 officially needed husbands’ permission to work."
23:46:25 * SmatZ can't understand how woman can prefer work over children
23:49:19 <Rubidium> what if they work with their 'brainchild'
23:49:27 <Markk> __ln__: that sounds like Spain?
23:49:36 <SmatZ> there's a history of millions of years of evolution
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23:53:48 <peter1138> work pays money, children just cost money
23:54:16 <Markk> It's a long time investment
23:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but... "capitalistic" thinking is all about short time gain...
23:55:37 <Rubidium> Markk: why? Because when I'm (age) eligble for retirement the whole system of me getting some money has been overturned... and I reckon the banks pull another 'bye bye money' trick out of their hat
23:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> screwing over the next generation by any means possible
23:55:59 <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: of course :)
23:56:55 <Markk> Rubidium: yeah, but I was more thinking of a long time investment for the society and for the country, not for the parent
23:56:58 <Rubidium> and if we would follow evolution, females would be pregnant *earlier*, not later
23:59:09 <Rubidium> Markk: the long time effects of everyone breeding aren't that good, especially for hereditary diseases and such
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