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00:07:09  <planetmaker> Sacro: as usual: ask the question. Not if someone might answer it :-)

00:11:30  <Rubidium> planetmaker: but what if he wanted to know whether anyone here uses Mercurial?

00:12:22  <Sacro> ahh

00:12:29  <Sacro> well I have two branches, default and flex

00:12:30  <planetmaker> I have doubts about that theory. Somehow. Somewhat

00:12:39  <Sacro> in default I added a .hgignore and a Makefile

00:12:48  <Sacro> but then when I switch back to flex, they disappear :(

00:13:01  <planetmaker> as they should

00:13:04  <Sacro> well yes

00:13:25  <Sacro> but I don't want them to, not sure how to drag them into the right place

00:13:35  <Sacro> unless I merge and rebranch

00:13:38  <Sacro> which I don't wish to do

00:13:40  <planetmaker> make a diff and commit it in the other branch, too?

00:13:49  <Sacro> mmm

00:13:51  <Rubidium> can't you cherrypick merge?

00:14:00  <Sacro> err...

00:14:17  <Sacro> oh

00:14:23  <Sacro> I can perhaps merge certain files

00:15:10  <Rubidium> in subversion you can merge specific revisions

00:15:34  <Sacro> Yeah

00:20:41  <planetmaker> not that I know by default. maybe an extension.

00:20:48  <planetmaker> And what does hg rebase do?

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00:24:38  <planetmaker> hg rebase --keep might do the trick

00:25:16  <Sacro> there isn't a rebase

00:25:18  <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/crash_screenshot_osx_win32.diff if anyone with OSX could verify this compiles and crash screenshot is created, I would be happy :)

00:25:48  <Sacro> ah, it's GSOC

00:27:46  <Sacro> ooh

00:27:51  <Sacro> provided after 1.1

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00:38:27  <Sacro> well i think i broke my repo

00:38:41  <Sacro> hg parents kinda breaks

00:39:39  <Sacro> oh crap

00:39:43  <Sacro> there's no rollforward

00:39:45  <Sacro> ><

00:41:08  <planetmaker> SmatZ: can you tell me a quick way to crash openttd?

00:43:06  <SmatZ> planetmaker: compile with --enable-debug, Alt+0 crashes game

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00:54:56  <SmatZ> planetmaker: are you sleeping? :)

00:55:08  <planetmaker> nope. :-)

00:55:23  <planetmaker> But my computer needs some time for a full re-compile

00:55:25  <planetmaker> and I for a test :-)

00:55:30  <planetmaker> But: it seems to work

00:55:43  <SmatZ> oh

00:55:48  <SmatZ> I thought you are :)

00:56:00  <planetmaker> but now I am :-P

00:56:05  <planetmaker> zzzzZZZZzzz

00:56:19  <SmatZ> :-)

00:56:23  <SmatZ> thank you for testing ;)

00:56:26  <SmatZ> good night, planetmaker

00:56:45  <planetmaker> you're welcome. And good night to you, too

00:58:22  <SmatZ> thank you :)

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01:00:13  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r18158 /trunk/src/os/macosx/crashlog_osx.cpp: -Codechange: add crash screenshot for OSX

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01:12:16  <Sacro> ahh upnp

01:12:22  <Sacro> you make life so easier yet so less secure

01:12:53  <Sacro> note the 2 emule redirections and the two PPStream

01:20:27  <Rhamphoryncus> heh, apparently my hacks to vehicle passing does bad things

01:20:57  <Rhamphoryncus> It crashes when the trailer tries to drive into the building next to the street ;)

01:21:20  <glx> no need for upnp when you have IPv6 :)

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01:26:48  <Rhamphoryncus> At least now I know why passing was disabled for articulated vehicles.  They can't handle making a turn before they finish passing

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05:14:38  <pw-> what would you lot say is the best AI in online content

05:14:45  <pw-> i currently have Admiral AI

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08:32:52  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18159 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Rework graphs to scale to the widget they are in, instead of using absolute pixel placement. X-axis labels still need work for large fonts.

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08:59:53  <petern> heh

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09:40:01  <petern> wonder how long it takes for google streetview to show up

09:40:54  <blathijs> The streetview car just passed by?

09:43:28  <Rubidium> blathijs: why would they need a streetview car in the UK? Isn't each street covered by CCTV? (Would give live streetview)

09:45:11  <blathijs> :-)

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09:46:07  <TrueBrain> You do know one of the 'C' stands for CLOSED, right? :p

09:46:26  <petern> hehe

09:46:32  <petern> yeah, i saw it this morning

09:47:07  <TrueBrain> here it btw took about 2 months, between seeing the car passing by, and seeing it on the internet

09:47:45  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but closed in "closed circuit" just means that the signal hasn't been broadcast

09:47:58  <TrueBrain> and what does google do with signals? :p

09:48:51  <Rubidium> that's where they start to dishonour their initial spirit of wording: "A growing branch in CCTV is Internet Protocol Cameras (IP Cameras). IP cameras allow homeowners and businesses to view their camera(s) through any internet connection available through a computer or a 3G phone."

09:49:18  <TrueBrain> not so much CC :p

09:50:40  <Rubidium> yup, similar that PCs in companies aren't necessarily personal computers (okay, they are personnel computers)

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10:09:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18160 /trunk/src/ (graph_gui.cpp lang/english.txt):

10:09:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Codechange: The hyphen character may not line up in all fonts, so draw

10:09:36  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: the Y-axis ticks manually.

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10:33:39  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18161 /trunk/src/lang/ (50 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Remove hyphen from y-label in all languages

10:38:22  * petern ponders rotated text for the x-axis labels

10:40:58  <Rubidium> you mean move the x-axis labels to the right side?

10:41:31  <Rubidium> or just right aligning on the left side (if it doesn't already do so)

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10:43:14  <petern> no, evil hackery with rotating pixels, hehe

10:43:48  <petern> the x-axis labels are the only bit left to fix, however

10:45:45  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18162 /trunk/src/train_gui.cpp: -Fix: rest-of-train train selection

10:46:01  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18163 /trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the depot GUI RTL aware

10:50:24  <Rubidium> I'd say that we leave the 'current' state, only force right/left alignment of the different strings. If it really bothers a RTL user they'll make that known in some way

10:51:37  <Goulp> why not draw directly from right to left all things ?

10:52:12  <Rubidium> because that isn't trivial?

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10:59:04  <Goulp> when rtl is used, does sizing button position need to be changed from right to left also ?

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12:12:56  <bartavelle> hello

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12:30:26  <petern> Liberation Sans Bold works quite nicely

12:30:33  <petern> hmm, maybe with AA only

12:30:49  * petern wonders how to improve the text shadow, without splitting drawing

12:31:21  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18164 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Change: make dropdown 'right' align to the opening widget with RTL

12:32:00  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18165 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make company dropdowns RTL aware

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12:45:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18166 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the livery colour window RTL aware

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14:10:44  <Belugas> hello

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14:21:48  <pw-> ok so, the game starts in 5 hours, and i haven't slept yet

14:22:01  <pw-> go get beer now, and sleep till the last minute?

14:22:07  <pw-> or wake up in 4 hours and go get beer then?

14:22:26  <planetmaker> 3rd alternative: don't sleep

14:22:40  <planetmaker> hello Belugas :-)

14:23:08  <Eddi|zuHause> who needs sleep anyway?

14:23:39  <pw-> if i don't sleep i'll fall asleep three beers in

14:23:53  <pw-> but i will probably end up not sleeping anyway, i'm too excited

14:24:04  <pw-> most important game of the year

14:24:08  <pw-> well, so far, at any rate

14:24:41  <valhallasw> pw-: skip getting beer, sleep 4 hours and 55 minutes, make tea, play game

14:24:44  <planetmaker> then you definitely should drink now a whole sixpack of beer

14:24:47  <Eddi|zuHause> who in his right mind drinks beer at 9AM?

14:24:51  <pw-> not play, watch

14:25:03  <pw-> it'll be 2 pm by then, Eddi|zuHause

14:25:06  <Eddi|zuHause> on a wednesday?

14:25:12  <pw-> on a wednesday.

14:26:31  <petern> important game of ottd?

14:26:36  <pw-> no

14:26:39  <pw-> russia at slovenia

14:26:43  <pw-> world cup quali

14:26:50  <petern> oh

14:27:30  <valhallasw> ah.

14:27:45  <pw-> hopefully now the beer makes sense to you lot

14:27:53  <valhallasw> then my suggestion is: program vcr, get beer, sleep 8 hours, watch game :P

14:27:54  <pw-> at 2 pm on a wednesday

14:28:04  <pw-> no way man, i can't watch this game late

14:28:07  <valhallasw> :D

14:28:07  <pw-> this is THE game

14:28:13  <pw-> if russia loses this, we're out of the cup

14:28:21  <glx> and ?

14:28:23  <pw-> i have to see it live =)

14:28:29  <glx> I won't watch France tonight

14:28:44  <pw-> some fans are bigger than others, i guess =P

14:29:53  <glx> football fans are just stupid, they "destroy" a town in another country just because the result was not what they wanted

14:31:22  <dihedral> and if russia looses the game you will be annoyed with yourself for not sleeping 8 hours

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14:32:13  <ltsampros> pw-: ukra vs greece too

14:32:25  <pw-> yeah, but i won't see that one

14:32:53  <dihedral> but if you do sleep and watch the game late, at least you lose nothing in case they loose

14:32:59  <pw-> unless i watch a stream online or something

14:33:01  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: those are not "fans"

14:33:11  <dihedral> if this is a d-game, the chances are high they have not played all to well before :-P

14:33:18  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: those are people who want to destroy towns, no matter the result of the game

14:33:47  <pw-> ^

14:35:25  * dihedral dislikes football

14:35:55  * fjb too

14:36:13  <pw-> not for everyone, i guess

14:36:17  <glx> http://www.france24.com/en/20091115-violence-erupts-marseille-over-algeria-egypt-football-match

14:36:20  * Eddi|zuHause is football-agnostic

14:36:37  <pw-> you don't believe football can be proven or disproven?

14:36:44  <pw-> it exists, i assure you

14:38:00  <petern> football-apatheist

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14:38:44  <pw-> heh, clever

14:38:58  <thingwath> who would like to play a game you can win? so pointless.

14:39:02  <Eddi|zuHause> pw-: well, THEY say that Bielefeld has a football team...

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14:40:01  <pw-> pfft

14:40:06  <pw-> beetle field football club

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15:09:53  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18167 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Change: make the graph legend, cargo payment graph and company league windows RTL aware

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18:17:39  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18168 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: Adjust a frame's child's padding to account for text height, and draw the top bar appropriately.

18:23:11  <frosch123> Andel: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=45923 <- stop faking posts

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18:43:24  <blathijs> frosch123: Faking?

18:44:11  <frosch123> isn't it obviously by him? :p

18:44:42  <blathijs> Dunno, I never read the forums

18:44:52  <blathijs> but this particular post looks pretty real to me :-p

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18:45:29  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18169 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt german.txt italian.txt polish.txt):

18:45:29  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

18:45:29  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx

18:45:29  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by dihedral

18:45:29  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv

18:45:31  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by silver_777

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18:51:29  <Belugas> Time for Tawoumga!

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19:34:02  <andythenorth> neko neko neko (shake head)

19:35:03  <andythenorth> meh

19:35:08  <andythenorth> back to work

19:40:25  <Belugas> neko blast neko blast neko blast

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20:22:53  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18170 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the station view RTL aware

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20:27:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18171 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Change: always align the about to the left; it is not translated and as such it's never a RTL text.

20:28:14  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18172 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: consistency w.r.t. using space after the copyright symbol in the about window

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20:36:17  <_ln> do they play Rammstein's 'Pussy' in "normal" places over there?

20:36:52  <petern> where is there?

20:37:37  <_ln> either there or the other there.

20:38:11  <_ln> i just heard it in a bowling place and wondered if such lyrics would be appropriate for a finnish song.

20:41:41  <Belugas> if it plays in a place where no one cares about the lyrics, or where no one can understand the lyrics, or where no one has the morality of a virgin visiting the pope, i'd say it's fine

20:41:53  <Belugas> as for the others, just leave the room, you prude!

20:44:02  <Belugas> dmaned... that bowling game must have been very boring ;)

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20:57:43  <Nite_Owl> Hello all

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21:19:03  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18173 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the smallmap RTL aware

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21:27:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18174 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the sign list RTL aware

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21:35:59  <Belugas> night all, /me goes back in comfort zone

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21:50:27  <fonsinchen> {7:FORCE}

21:50:32  <fonsinchen> in english.txt

21:50:57  <fonsinchen> should this mean: use 7th parameter for this value and then 8th, 9th, ... for further values, or ..

21:51:22  <fonsinchen> should this mean: use 7th parameter for this value and return to previous number for further values

21:51:23  <fonsinchen> ?

21:52:56  <Eddi|zuHause> more like the second one...

21:54:12  <Rubidium> more like neither :)

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21:54:46  <Eddi|zuHause> to make sure, i'd use the number on every parameter

21:54:47  <Rubidium> {7:FORCE} -> 8th parameter (0 would be the first). After that it will continue at the next parameter

21:55:02  <Rubidium> depending on how many parameters FORCE consumes

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21:55:42  <Rubidium> e.g. {1:STRING2} {STRING} -> {1:STRING2} -> 1, 2, 3, {STRING} -> 4

21:56:11  <fonsinchen> it's like this: STR_ENGINE_PREVIEW_COST_WEIGHT_SPEED_POWER_MAX_TE               :{BLACK}Cost: {CURRENCY} Weight: {WEIGHT_S}{}Speed: {VELOCITY}  Power: {POWER}  Max. T.E.: {7:FORCE}{}Running Cost: {CURRENCY}/yr{}Capacity: {CARGO}

21:56:25  <fonsinchen> and the last two aren't properly displayed

21:56:29  <Rubidium> currency would get 8-ish

21:56:45  <fonsinchen> but the code in engine_gui.cpp assigns it to 4

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21:57:28  <Rubidium> so there's a bug there

21:57:38  <fonsinchen> eh, it's not in engine_gui.cpp, let me search that ...

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21:58:33  <fonsinchen> yes it is: engine_gui.cpp:159

21:59:51  <fonsinchen> this is the cause of the crash Auge has reported in the cargodist thread. If the parameter for the last CARGO has some weird value (which is possible as it's uninitialized), CargoSpec::Get will throw an assertion.

22:00:19  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18175 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network lobby and client list RTL aware

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22:03:05  <fonsinchen> Shall I open a FS ticket on that?

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22:06:59  <Rubidium> nah, I'm fixing it right now

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22:10:17  <Eddi|zuHause> why not reorder stuff so this "direct" addressing isn't necessary at all?

22:11:07  <fonsinchen> OK, thanks Rubidium

22:11:30  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: good question, ... but one string shows it, lots of others don't

22:11:54  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, fine...

22:12:15  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so you need to add the direct addressing to another string to remove it here, or duplicate quite a bit of lines

22:12:33  <Eddi|zuHause> then it's probably missing a {4:CURRENCY}

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22:14:27  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18176 /trunk/src/lang/ (25 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: wrong parameter locations caused occasional crashes when showing an engine preview or new engine news message

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