IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-11-10
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00:01:17 <Sacro> openttd is front page on reddit
00:17:26 <FauxFaux> Unfortunately, the opensfx project is doomed, there exists no sound as annoying as the railway crossing noise in the original.
00:17:41 <FauxFaux> DING DING DING D-DING DING DI-DING DING DING DING
00:19:22 <_ln> Sacro: how about hiring Michael Winslow?
00:21:35 <Sacro> what part of binaryWriter.Write(bytes[0]); can you not get right
00:21:54 <Sacro> then why the fuck are you putting 8 into my file
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06:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i'm mostly not alive either
06:40:16 <Yatta> what version of ottd is used in network game ? I only get version missmatchs ones.
06:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause> typically the latest stable, which is mentioned in the topic
06:41:47 <Yatta> Oh. I tought I had it already. Silly me.
06:53:01 <Yatta> There's really a great job done on OTTD. Imo somewhat lacks of gamedesign tough :x. But still very great.
06:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have something slightly more specific than "it lacks XYZ", feel free to post at the forums
06:55:48 <Yatta> Its nothing new, and quite subjective. Also, I already posted something about that, but more in the form of 'are there patches for ...'
06:56:12 <Yatta> because I didnt find a patch database like the nice thing there is for AI/newgrfs/scenarios ...
06:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> pretty much all patches are in the patches forum
07:02:38 <Yatta> I've seen it, but the forum isnt the most practical to use. There's 44 pages of it and the topic title doesnt give much info, and since its a development forum, you dont know which patches are in a 'playable' state.
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07:13:58 <petern> Sacro, binarywriter is encoded, isn't it?
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08:18:09 <nonsensical> how do I make the font size bigger in the game?
08:20:18 <planetmaker> nonsensical, edit your openttd.cfg and search for the three fonts in there
08:20:25 <planetmaker> replace them by something you like
08:20:47 <nonsensical> currently they're blank
08:20:54 <nonsensical> is there a special format for them?
08:21:04 <nonsensical> I tried increasing the small/medium/large font size listed there
08:21:07 <nonsensical> but nothing happened
08:21:18 <planetmaker> did you re-start openttd?
08:21:32 <planetmaker> and not quit it, after you saved?
08:21:44 <planetmaker> openttd re-writes its cfg upon exit
08:21:51 <nonsensical> I'm guessing the font sizes are ignored if there's no font listed there
08:22:02 <nonsensical> is there a special format for font names or anything?
08:22:08 <planetmaker> might also be. Dunno which are nice for you and your system
08:22:13 <planetmaker> it should be names
08:23:00 <planetmaker> try any of the font names you have
08:23:14 <planetmaker> I haven't played around with names in some time either.
08:23:39 <nonsensical> arial seems to work, but the size is too big for the boxes so things get cut off
08:25:57 <nonsensical> well I guess that sorta works, thanks
08:26:12 <nonsensical> can't make the small size any larger than 10, it's already running together
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08:50:59 <Rubidium> nonsensical: in trunk most windows will scale better to larger fonts
08:52:08 <Rubidium> (trunk being the main 'development' branch)
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09:33:00 <petern> oh does that all work now?
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09:44:56 <petern> the game options 'boxes' don't expand
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10:08:24 <Rubidium> petern: not all and not all as good as some, but lots of progress has been made
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11:19:20 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18035 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r16909): one could remotely crash (assert) the server on certain commands
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16:22:44 <Rubidium> Sacro: he didn't die, so there's no reason to change any of the protocols regarding checking (especially) switches
16:24:03 <Sacro> Rubidium: course not :)
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16:50:13 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18036 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r17999): Always two they are.
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17:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause> is there such a thing as an Obitwo?
17:56:02 <frosch123> b - a = b - (a + 1) + 1
18:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> they are likely to cancel eachother out
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18:07:01 <frosch123> well, you can live with the empire :) but if you kill one, you also have to take the other
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18:19:22 <Sacro> don't they have a suicide pit?
18:21:34 <Paul2> also looks like she touches the third rail as well, so yeah. Lucky lady.
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18:22:05 <Sacro> might be that someone was monitoring the cctv and discharged it
18:23:47 <Paul2> well yeah the red squares are the image detection on the CCTV so it can do automatic stuff. Don't know quite what they have there.
18:24:08 <Paul2> our system does things like detect 'dodgy' or suspicious acitivty and alert operators.
18:34:57 <MyCatVerbs> Sacro: thank God! Technology has finally freed us from the incredible burden of having to hire literate people!
18:36:32 <Sacro> MyCatVerbs: it proves Muphry's Law
18:36:58 <Sacro> it also has dangling modifiers
18:37:01 <MyCatVerbs> Forgive me, but I am incapable of discerning whether you did that on purpose.
18:37:49 <MyCatVerbs> The 'r' is close to where it needs to be, but not quite there.
18:38:05 <MyCatVerbs> AHAHAHAHAH. I stand corrected.
18:38:09 <MyCatVerbs> Thank you, Sacro. :)
18:38:18 <MyCatVerbs> (So the joke is deliberate. Of course. ^^)
18:38:24 <Sacro> basically if you do anything criticising spelling/grammer, that will contain spelling/grammer mistakes
18:38:34 <Sacro> check the last sentence on their first paragraph
18:39:32 <MyCatVerbs> Yes, I can read. :P
18:39:50 <MyCatVerbs> Sometimes I even elect to actually do so soon enough. ^^
18:40:54 <Sacro> also the 3rd paragraph misses an 'a' in it
18:42:39 <MyCatVerbs> Er, where? I can't see it. Please quote the offending sentence?
18:42:58 <Sacro> With WhiteSmoke writing technology, you can create professional quality copy for your web site and marketing needs from your own texts.
18:43:10 <Sacro> that sounds decidedly un English
18:43:20 <MyCatVerbs> Oh! Sorry, I thought you were referring to the wikipedia article on Muphry's Law.
18:43:32 <Sacro> i'm just proofreading their website
18:43:58 <MyCatVerbs> Yeah, it sounds suspiciously like it was translated from Chinese.
18:44:04 <Sacro> Also, i thought it was frowned upon to start a sentence with 'With'
18:44:49 <Sacro> used 'on to' instead of 'into'
18:45:08 * Sacro makes note to not purchase or recommend their product
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18:45:17 <MyCatVerbs> Forbidding the starting of sentences with the word "with" sounds unnecessarily fussy to me.
18:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18037 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt indonesian.txt polish.txt traditional_chinese.txt):
18:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun
18:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: czech - 3 changes by SmatZ
18:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 changes by prof
18:45:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: polish - 4 changes by silver_777
18:45:55 <Sacro> well, usually you can do s/. W/, w/
18:46:59 <MyCatVerbs> "I like hamsters. With the aid of my trusty hamster-stabbed, it takes me almost no time at all to turn one into dinner."
18:47:28 <MyCatVerbs> Your simplistic tranformation will not re-render the above into a single working sentence. :)
18:47:48 <MyCatVerbs> s/hamster-stabbed/hamster-stabber/ (I promise that that was purely a typo)
18:48:02 <MyCatVerbs> (Alas, fcuk Muphry.)
18:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: afair they just took a section from his controls, so they basically degraded him
18:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the "news" is a month old, after all
19:05:00 <_ln> did they argue his claims are false?
19:09:46 <frosch123> you can prove every statistical thing to be true or false to your liking
19:11:16 <Prof_Frink> 74% of statistics are made up on the spot.
19:11:54 <Alberth> the same holds for 'scientific research' results
19:12:11 <frosch123> 80% are against global warming
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20:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's photoshopped! you can tell by the pixels!
20:46:59 <Sacro> i can tell be the lack of hair
20:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: it's definitely neither gandalf nor melissa joan heart, so it must be oruge... flawless logic!
20:47:28 <Rubidium> yes... he hasn't denied it so it must be true!
20:52:23 <TrueBrain> why did I open that URL :(
20:52:28 <blathijs> petern: Are you just pasting porn pictures here, or is there actually a good article in that russian crap?
20:53:05 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Because NSFW isn't usually _this_ explicit? :-)
20:53:25 <Rubidium> well, apparantly it's okay in this channel...
20:53:28 <petern> it was art or something
20:53:30 <TrueBrain> well, I just blacklisted URLs coming from petern, most likely a better solution ;)
20:55:56 <blathijs> I have to admit, the initial paragraph does become somewhat like a poem when you pull it through Goolge translate
20:56:04 <blathijs> But I don't think that was intended :-)
21:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see under which jurisdiction this can be classified as "porn"
21:14:06 <frosch123> "Maybe I have time this weekend. Then I will start to learn to draw sprites"
21:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody must start somewhen
21:15:03 <planetmaker> maybe maybe... maybe someone wants to help finish open[g|s]fx?
21:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> each weekend is as good as the next one :p
21:15:29 <petern> hey should i do anything with railtypes
21:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, trash it and rewrite it from scratch ;)
21:16:36 <planetmaker> petern, *should* is probably the wrong wording. But surely there's a number of people who'd like to see something like that :-)
21:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i have the impression hardly any development has taken place recently, except nestifying widgets
21:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> one could also say "petern! newrailtypes!"
21:17:37 <planetmaker> IPv6... DistantJoin... OpenSFX support...
21:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> those are probably nice, but not the killerfeature-kind such as YAPP
21:18:27 <planetmaker> :-) True from a player's perspective
21:18:27 <_ln> i agree that those photos are not "porn"
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21:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and every previous release had at least one such revolutionary feature
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21:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> current candidates are cargod*st, railtypes and newgrf airports, but neither of these are in a shape likely to be finished within the next half year
21:20:36 <petern> added 3387 changesets with 18493 changes to 1109 files
21:21:28 <Alberth> enough to read tonight :)
21:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that's more like 800 revisions. where do the other 2500 changesets come from?
21:22:46 <frosch123> so about 4 to 5 changes files per revision?
21:22:53 <Eddi|zuHause> or does it count every file per revision?
21:23:05 <petern> i keep a local trunk and a local railtype
21:23:11 <petern> the trunk was indeed out of date
21:23:30 <petern> pulling from that gives 710 changes
21:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause> aha. so they're bogus changesets you want to sell us ;)
21:23:55 <petern> cheap at twice the price
21:24:09 <petern> ok... hg merge has fired up meld... never seen this before :s
21:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i understand why you came back here, but what made you leave in the first place?
21:27:04 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, don't forget infrastructure sharing ;-)
21:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> because you couldn't live without us, obviously...
21:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i kinda have my doubts that feature will get anywhere near trunk...
21:29:01 <planetmaker> dunno... why not?
21:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean it's more like a gut feeling, i'm not in a position to decide that ;)
21:29:32 <_ln> do you think darkvater would approve of such feature?
21:30:20 <planetmaker> I guess what he thinks is mostly irrelevant nowadays. Besides I have no basis to judge how he might decide
21:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of mutiny is it when the captain's long gone?
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21:55:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> can someone answer my n00bish question?
21:55:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> how do i build a clean trunk again (if i already have a crappy patched trunk)
21:55:48 <ZxBiohazardZx> just delete all and redownload?
21:55:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> or is there a faster way
21:56:18 <Hirundo> What vcs are you using?
21:57:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> in tortoise svn?XD
21:57:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> or do i really have to go to my mingw for that as well:P
21:57:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> ill just remove+redownload
21:58:16 <glx> tortoise should be able to revert all too
21:58:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah i know, just forgot the command/button
21:58:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> does Infra_share work with latest revision?
21:59:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> or dont you know XD
21:59:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol i just tried to "update" without removing patches
22:00:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> and the languages/english.txt is conflicted XD lol
22:01:35 <Hirundo> IS should *probably* work with current trunk as it has been synced only a couple of days ago
22:02:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> ill give it a go
22:02:14 <petern> hurr, railtypes updated :D
22:02:37 <Rubidium> lets start a pool about whether it compiles or not
22:02:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> @ Rubidium 5$ it wont
22:04:49 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe ill even bet $5 on both XD
22:05:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause im n00b in compiling (oh well i can still do it, with my handy guide4idiots )
22:05:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> but what did you do with railtypes?
22:06:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk i got clean trunk downloaded
22:06:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> now lemmy find my patches id like to have
22:06:49 <ZxBiohazardZx> and see how they work out on latest revision
22:09:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> and another: improved brakedowns
22:09:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> how can i "check" compatibilities lolz
22:09:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> apart from backup, patch, test, and repeat thatXD
22:10:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> zomg fail i just downloaded IS but its like complete game? not just a simple patch thingy?
22:11:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> ah lol im blind XD downloaded wrong linky:P
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22:14:36 <ZxBiohazardZx> trying to get Infra sharing to work
22:14:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> but im complete idiot XD
22:14:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> i only see IS_beta3 .diff
22:14:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> no beta 4 or 5?
22:15:07 <Hirundo> Where are you looking?
22:15:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> yes im using windows
22:15:16 <Rubidium> night Belugas, happy running
22:15:31 <Xaroth> ZxBiohazardZx: surely there are official builds?
22:15:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> i had the following link
22:15:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> im on this site
22:15:45 <ZxBiohazardZx> that offers some links:P
22:16:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> that had 2 diffs
22:16:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> and i also had a link to beta 5, but that wasnt a .diff file (or am i wrong there)?
22:16:48 <Hirundo> If you read the first post *thoroughly*, you fill find the answer
22:17:41 <Xaroth> ( Release bundles of binaries, Doxygen and sources can be downloaded from here. )
22:18:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> but im looking for the .diff rather then a complete executable (because im trying to see if i can have some other patches as well) (yes i know that its hard to do that but anyway)
22:20:12 <planetmaker> ZxBiohazardZx: it might be easier to clone the repo and just try to apply any patch there...
22:22:16 <ZxBiohazardZx> explain that, im complete idiot on thisXD
22:22:41 <Xaroth> then you'll have fun trying to apply other patches ^^
22:22:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> so i download IS2.0-beta5
22:23:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> bad connection lol
22:24:41 <ZxBiohazardZx> oh well all patches i run now are: signals on tunnel/bridges and i had another one XD
22:25:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> not important anway
22:25:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> so planetmaker you suggest i just take a release or?
22:26:03 <ZxBiohazardZx> didnt quite get your comment
22:26:44 <planetmaker> I suggest you get the source repository (e.g. the whole patched OpenTTD infrastructure sharing branch) instead of "plain" trunk OpenTTD and then only applying the patch
22:27:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz alright, 1 sec
22:27:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> let me read that link:P
22:27:26 <planetmaker> you'll need mercurial as opposed to subversion, though...
22:27:49 <ZxBiohazardZx> awww why do you guys all use a different program for the same thing XD?
22:28:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> i have tortoise SVN and MINGW as explained on wiki
22:28:16 <glx> because hg is better for this king of things
22:29:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway ill run the walkthrough real quick:P
22:30:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> great 1 million download links for tortoise_hg?
22:31:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> im so not gonna download every single file up there:S wtf
22:33:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> @Xaroth you SURE i need all?
22:33:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> they all seem different versions of same thing to me:S
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22:38:54 <Xaroth> ZxBiohazardZx: it was just a guess :)
22:38:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> my inet sucks, stupid wifi is to weak, brb
22:39:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> i wont but ill down this tomorrow
22:39:12 <Xaroth> I've not looked at openttd for a while.. too busy with dune :/
22:39:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> as in Dune I II or 2000?
22:39:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> i used to play dune2000 (dune II with way better gfx imo)
22:39:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> but yeah good game;)
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23:45:19 <nonsensical> is there a way to rotate the map?
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23:50:42 <Xaroth> I'd recommend turning around your monitor and looking at it from that angle if you want to rotate :)
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