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00:01:13  <nicfer1> I've reinstaled it and followed the instructions but the command seems to be not recognized

00:01:43  <PeterT> ok, skip that direciton, go to the next and see what happens :)

00:02:14  <nicfer1> I can't compile wget after that

00:02:21  <PeterT> OS?

00:02:25  <nicfer1> windows

00:02:34  <PeterT> windows...

00:02:52  <PeterT> windows what?

00:02:59  <nicfer1> xp

00:03:11  <PeterT> 32 or 64?

00:03:23  <nicfer1> 32 bit

00:03:38  <nicfer1> althrough my processor is an amd athlon x2

00:03:50  <PeterT> ok

00:04:01  <PeterT> I really don't know what to say...

00:04:19  <PeterT> did you get the versions mentioned on the wiki or newer versions?

00:05:41  <PeterT> I was actually just about to test MSYS on xp right now

00:05:47  <PeterT> on my brother's laptop

00:06:29  <nicfer1> I've installed mingw 5.1.6 since 5.1.4 tells me it's 'outdated'

00:06:54  <PeterT> there's your problem

00:07:00  <PeterT> don't do that ;-)

00:07:13  <PeterT> I'm going to try updating on my bro's computer

00:07:26  <nicfer1> even if it's 'outdated'?

00:07:32  <PeterT> yes

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00:07:44  <PeterT> besides, you going to be using MSYS, not MinGW

00:07:52  <PeterT> even though mingw is compiling

00:07:58  <PeterT> just trust me

00:08:39  <PeterT> the only thing that really matters is the svn version

00:10:54  <nicfer1> could I use tortoiseSVN instead of regular svn?

00:11:00  <glx> yes

00:11:21  <PeterT> by the way, nicfer1, I'm really glad your taking the time to compile yourself, it's much less annoying than when users on tt-forums.net yell (metaphorically) "binaries!!"

00:11:56  <glx> but it's better to also install svn CLI, else svn detection doesn't work IIRC

00:12:07  <nicfer1> I just wanted to compile cargo distribution

00:13:07  <nicfer1> installed 5.1.4 and still no gcc

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00:13:23  <glx> did you start msys ?

00:13:28  <nicfer1> yes

00:13:33  <PeterT> yes, he's entering gcc -v

00:13:40  <PeterT> I presume...

00:14:14  <PeterT> Hold on,

00:14:17  <PeterT> maybe...

00:14:28  <PeterT> did you mess up when directing msys to your mingw installation

00:14:39  <nicfer1> no

00:14:42  <PeterT> (I just thought of it because I am doing it now)

00:15:11  <nicfer1> I've input c:\mingw at that point

00:15:20  <PeterT> did it give errors?

00:15:24  <glx> your mistake :)

00:15:38  <glx> easy to fix

00:15:39  <nicfer1> not, only that there was not make.exe in mingw

00:16:15  <glx> exit from msys

00:16:17  <PeterT> yes "keep it that way" or something like that?

00:16:35  <nicfer1> yes

00:16:39  <glx> open <mysy_install>\etc\fstab

00:17:01  <glx> and replace all \ with / in it

00:17:44  <nicfer1> yay, it was the \ thing

00:17:53  <nicfer1> easy to confuse

00:18:48  <glx> Please answer the following in the form of c:/foo/bar. <-- but it's clearly explained ;)

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00:20:58  <PeterT> isn't "foobar" a person?

00:21:46  <glx> foo and bar are usual dev things

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00:26:17  <PeterT> oh

00:26:36  <PeterT> I'm testing MSYS with 5.1.6

00:26:42  <PeterT> (MinGW 516)

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00:49:47  <CaptObvious> is there documentation on the protocol that the openttd client uses to fetch server data like number of companies, players, current date etc?

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00:51:20  <FauxFaux> CaptObvious: http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/?p=openttd2irc.git;a=summary ? :)

00:51:51  <CaptObvious> that's not relavent

00:52:20  <FauxFaux> Ignoring the fact that it's a client that connects to the server to fetch data like companies, players, etc., you are correct.

00:52:23  * FauxFaux goes to bed.

00:52:29  <CaptObvious> that's true

00:52:30  <CaptObvious> thanks

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00:54:02  <CaptObvious> FauxFaux - is that your git repository?

00:55:40  <Eddi|zuHause> of course there's the canonical documentation!

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00:57:13  <Eddi|zuHause> it's called along the lines of "network.cpp" or something

00:57:23  <CaptObvious> to be honest

00:57:31  <CaptObvious> that project is pretty much what I was wanting to code

00:57:38  <CaptObvious> so I'm gonna compile it and see if it works :P

01:03:21  <CaptObvious> well I would

01:03:30  <CaptObvious> except I'm a linux noob and can't figure it out :P

01:05:18  <Eddi|zuHause> ooh, xkcd in geocities look ;)

01:05:25  <CaptObvious> yeah :)

01:05:32  <CaptObvious> Eddi|zuHause - how's your linux-fu?

01:06:02  <Eddi|zuHause> how's your meta-question-fu?

01:06:12  <CaptObvious> http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/?p=openttd2irc.git;a=tree

01:06:20  <CaptObvious> I have that on my linux box, extracted into a folder

01:06:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and what's a fu anyway?

01:06:39  <CaptObvious> how do I go about compiling it?

01:06:50  <CaptObvious> Eddi|zuHause - it's a meme.  like google-fu

01:07:07  <CaptObvious> originates from kung fu

01:08:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd start with the files "README" and "INSTALL"

01:08:50  <CaptObvious> readme is 0 bytes

01:08:57  <CaptObvious> install is the generic makefile one

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01:10:35  <Eddi|zuHause> then run bootstrap

01:11:08  <CaptObvious> aha

01:11:10  <Eddi|zuHause> # Run this to generate all the initial makefiles, etc.

01:11:38  <Eddi|zuHause> and beat up the guy for providing useless information

01:11:39  <Sacro> hmm?

01:12:28  <CaptObvious> every time I've got something as source in linux before it has already got the makefile etc

01:12:40  <KenjiE20> isn't README independant of make, I'd do another git pull

01:13:08  <KenjiE20> or is it, just blank in git?

01:13:17  <CaptObvious> it's just blank

01:13:21  <KenjiE20> ah

01:14:08  <KenjiE20> how lazy -_-

01:15:04  <KenjiE20> btw, you know Autopilot, will act as an IRC bridge without having to mod, right?

01:15:25  <KenjiE20> and do more besides

01:16:12  <CaptObvious> hmm?

01:16:22  <CaptObvious> never heard of Autopilot

01:17:17  <KenjiE20> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot

01:19:32  <CaptObvious> that looks perfect

01:19:34  <CaptObvious> thanks KenjiE20

01:19:43  <KenjiE20> heh, it's not, but it's close :P

01:20:13  <nicfer1> now I'm trying to patch the source code but I'm having issues

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01:22:35  <nicfer1> I right click on the ottd's sources folder then in the tortoisesvn submenu I click on 'Apply Patch', select the diff I'm looking for but both sides of the window appear in blank

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01:22:57  <KenjiE20|LT> likely a path issue

01:23:29  <KenjiE20|LT> check the diff with notepad, or similar, and find the relative paths it's using

01:25:23  <nicfer1> the relative paths tell that they want to go at './../src/whatever'

01:25:36  <nicfer1> in that style

01:26:08  <Eddi|zuHause> tortoisesvn is not able to handle all diff styles

01:26:17  <Eddi|zuHause> like git diffs

01:26:18  <KenjiE20|LT> sounds odd, but the diff should be in src then

01:26:28  <KenjiE20|LT> ^ also what eddi said

01:27:48  <PeterT> use msys

01:27:55  <PeterT> patch -p0 -i patchfile.diff

01:28:11  <Eddi|zuHause> or -p1 if applicable

01:28:14  <PeterT> (well, first, change to the directory)

01:28:16  <PeterT> yes

01:28:35  <nicfer1> where should be put the .diff file?

01:28:37  <PeterT> look at this topic to figure out which http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=21678

01:28:52  <PeterT> in the main directory where trunk is

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01:35:05  <nicfer1> look at this diff http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/patches/current/trunk-cargodist.diff

01:37:04  <CaptObvious> okay Eddi|zuHause

01:37:06  <CaptObvious> new one for you

01:37:32  <CaptObvious> trying to run autopilot, got the OTTD_CONFIG env variable set and it still gives me "couldn't open "openttd.cfg": no such file or directory"

01:37:50  <nicfer1> aha there I go

01:38:16  <PeterT> that's a -p1?

01:38:29  <nicfer1> I had to place the diff on the trunk directory with the -p1 switch

01:38:46  <PeterT> did you download trunk revision 17837, or the latest?

01:38:50  <PeterT> it won't work with the latest

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01:39:53  <nicfer1> I downloaded 17837

01:39:55  <WilliamC> Is there a place that can tell me how to run OTTD behind a router for multiplayer games?

01:43:19  <PeterT> ok, good nicfer1

01:45:08  <PeterT> is it working?

01:46:23  <PeterT> nicfer1, is it working?

01:46:32  <nicfer1> yup, it works

01:46:35  <PeterT> ok

01:46:36  <PeterT> night

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01:47:32  <CaptObvious> okay, got that problem sorted, now I have a new one

01:48:10  <CaptObvious> http://pastebin.org/48550

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01:54:06  <Eddi|zuHause> WilliamC: generally, you need to consult your router/firewall documentation on how to open ports

01:54:08  <Eddi|zuHause> @ports

01:54:08  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound)

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02:00:08  <Eddi|zuHause> CaptObvious: i can't help you with autopilot

02:00:13  <violetblood> good night

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02:13:08  <CaptObvious> @seen Brianetta

02:13:08  <DorpsGek> CaptObvious: Brianetta was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Brianetta> He should pick us a UK sim

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08:28:10  <Pikka> lalala

08:31:10  <Forked> falalalala in the moorning

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08:54:08  <Pikka> there too

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09:56:40  <dihedral> CaptObvious, wrt autopilot

09:56:50  <dihedral> what os are you running it on?

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10:41:28  <schuay> on medium difficulty with breakdowns set to normal, the trains break down every 2 tiles or so, even when entering a depot every round.. what am i doing wrong?

10:41:58  <boekabart> very old, worn trains?

10:42:09  <dihedral> long long tracks not servicing enough?

10:42:14  <schuay> don't think so, it happens right at the beginning of the game

10:42:21  <dihedral> breakdowns set to reduced is touch enough actually

10:42:31  <dihedral> *tough

10:42:55  <boekabart> using a graphics  set? (custom trains)

10:43:14  <schuay> nope, everything at default :(

10:43:15  <boekabart> dihedral: though?

10:43:26  <dihedral> no tough

10:43:37  <boekabart> sorry, you're right

10:43:51  <dihedral> :-)

10:44:02  <dihedral> other than perfect, it's my favorite thing to be :-D

10:44:05  * dihedral coughs

10:44:21  <schuay> by the way, another simple question - what is 'servicing'? are trains serviced every time they enter the depot? or do they need specific orders to service?

10:49:33  <SmatZ> both

10:49:48  <SmatZ> they are serviced when they enter a depot

10:50:11  <SmatZ> and you can use service orders to force visit in certain depot

10:50:48  <schuay> alright thanks!

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10:59:06  <Yexo> actually you use a goto-depot order to force visiting a depot and a "service at depot"-order when you only want the vehicles to go to the depot when they need servicing

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11:04:28  <schuay> ah ok that makes sense - and is it better to use goto depot or service at depot?

11:04:55  <planetmaker> depends upon what you want :-)

11:06:32  <dihedral> a service :-P

11:09:17  <schuay> im not sure what i want.. i'm just glad i got signals figured out. sort of :)

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11:10:54  <Yexo> it depends on how long your vehicle takes to finish all orders, if that's very long you might want to force a service (goto depot), if it's a very short time you'd use "service at depot" so the vehicle doesn't go to the depot every time but only when needed

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11:13:44  <schuay> and "when they need servicing" is a fixed interval for every train?

11:16:02  <Yexo> you can change it in the vehicle details window

11:16:05  <Yexo> bottom-left

11:16:09  <schuay> ah right ok

11:16:19  <Yexo> it's either a percentage of the maximum reliability or a fixed number of days

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12:03:25  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17884 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: remove (most) magic numbers from drawing the details of the network lobby and split detail drawing to its own function

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12:43:25  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17885 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network lobby window nested

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13:29:47  <Belugas> hello

13:30:21  <Goulp> Hello Canada !

13:33:11  <ltsampros> ?

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13:44:32  <Belugas> Hello France :D

13:44:46  <Belugas> shit.. almost a quarter lag...

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13:47:57  <Eddi|zuHause> it's the time shift

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14:10:29  <Belugas> i'm on a time warp!

14:10:58  <planetmaker> energy!

14:11:57  <dihedral> reminds me of that squirrel in ... what's it called? 'over the hedge'?

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14:17:48  <Eddi|zuHause> haven't seen that one

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14:18:30  <dihedral> i think it's a good one :-)

14:19:41  <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, sounded too much like a madagascar clone back then

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14:39:50  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17886 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the 'start server' window nested

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14:48:08  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17887 /trunk/src/ (48 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: remove some (now) unneeded {SKIP}s

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15:31:22  <Belugas> toum te doum

15:31:24  <Belugas> pouet pouet

15:32:26  <Rubidium> is that like legless chicken or so?

15:37:24  <Belugas> it's a bicycle running in a crowd of pedestrians

15:37:30  <Belugas> POUET POUET

15:39:07  <Belugas> or, in my current situation, a programmer looking for an urgent data on a not so well defined spech bursting in his boss's office

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16:46:35  <joekeloekes> boe?

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16:47:58  <Belugas> toe?

16:48:19  <Belugas> bow?

16:48:22  <Belugas> bowl?

16:48:25  <Belugas> ball?

16:48:32  <Belugas> baum?

16:48:32  <joekeloekes> is there a way to ban ip ranges, it doesnt seem to like wildcards

16:49:00  <Rubidium> yes, use the CIDR notation

16:49:08  <Belugas> i've heard that it i using CIDR notation

16:49:14  <Belugas> mmm... too late

16:49:28  <MyCatVerbs> Now I'm thirsty.

16:50:03  <joekeloekes> hmm, heard the word, but dunno exactly how to. for banning the range 188.186.*.* would i have to ban something like 188.186.0/24.0/24 or so?

16:50:04  <Belugas> could be worse, you could by thirty

16:50:29  <Rubidium> 188.186.0.0/16

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16:50:51  <joekeloekes> hmm ok, im going to try that to get rid of a frussian gang :)

16:51:14  <Eddi|zuHause> a friesian gang?

16:51:36  <Eddi|zuHause> are they that bad?

16:51:44  <joekeloekes> hehe, not frisian, cant say anything bad about them one of the admins on our server is from there

16:51:57  <joekeloekes> russian, thats just around the corner from there

16:52:45  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the corner is called "Denmark" :p

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16:53:04  <joekeloekes> hehe

16:53:49  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: nah, Poland borders with Russia, not Denmark

16:54:09  <Rubidium> Denmark borders with Canada :)

16:54:13  <LordAzamath> ESTONIA

16:54:15  <LordAzamath> :P

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16:54:26  <LordAzamath> borders with...

16:54:29  <LordAzamath> everything

16:54:34  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but once you shipped around denmark, you can go straight ahead to russia

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16:54:48  <joekeloekes> why would someone wanna do that?

16:55:00  <LordAzamath> yeah

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16:55:06  <LordAzamath> why not use the Kiel channel

16:55:14  <LordAzamath> why ship around

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16:57:39  <joekeloekes> ahh, there's yorick

16:57:55  <yorick> huh?

16:58:21  <joekeloekes> see

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16:59:01  <yorick> LordAzamath!

16:59:05  <yorick> joekeloekes: what's with me?

16:59:11  <joekeloekes> hehe

16:59:16  <joekeloekes> niks

16:59:17  <LordAzamath> omg

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17:39:39  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45663 <-- is it possible to re-define all colours of OTTD via a colour-changing newgrf?

17:39:55  <yorick> night transform set does it

17:43:06  <planetmaker> got a link? I don't find it on grfcrawler

17:43:35  <yorick> http://users2.tt-forums.net/ttdur/ttdur.htm

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17:45:01  <planetmaker> ty

17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r17888 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt german.txt serbian.txt):

17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell

17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker

17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: serbian - 1 changes by etran

17:48:11  <Belugas> damned i love that set...

17:48:14  <Belugas> i really do

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18:36:00  <nicfer1> would be possible to change the code in ottd to make night cycles dynamic rather than with a static grf?

18:36:34  <Alberth> if you change enough code, anything is possible

18:36:42  <Ammler> nicfer1: and how you make the cicle? 1sec day, 1sec night?

18:37:02  <frosch123> Ammler: it's called OTTDAtThePoles

18:37:30  <frosch123> :p

18:37:33  <Ammler> hehe

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18:40:38  <nicfer1> hmmm...

18:40:53  <nicfer1> 15 days sun, 15 days night

18:41:01  <nicfer1> that's, in-game days

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19:22:00  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17889 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Feature: double click on a item in the refit list refits without the need to click on the refit button

19:22:19  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17890 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Feature: double clicking on a NewGRF opens the parameters window

19:26:24  <planetmaker> \o/

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19:42:20  <Eddi|zuHause> funny ;)

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19:56:12  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17891 /trunk/src/ (engine_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Feature [FS#1619]: Show maximum tractive effort in the 'exclusive test'/'early offer'/'engine preview' window

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20:07:07  <Eddi|zuHause> three windows in one!

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20:10:37  <CaptObvious> I like the feature updates in realtime

20:19:04  <kannerke> hi

20:19:17  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17892 /trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp: -Feature [FS#1760]: automatically select the railtype with the most engines for the autoreplace window/try to avoid showing an empty autoreplace list

20:19:18  <Rubidium> real time... it's lagging like... a lot

20:19:34  <kannerke> does someone know where to find the name of a station?

20:20:05  <frosch123> it's written in the sign above it

20:20:16  <kannerke> in the code

20:20:32  <kannerke> it's no part of the struct station?

20:20:38  <Rubidium> no

20:20:45  <Rubidium> something with GetString

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20:21:18  <frosch123> grep for SCC_STATION_NAME

20:21:19  <Rubidium> like SetDParam(0, st->index); GetString(buffer, STR_JUST_STATION, lastof(buffer); or so

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20:22:10  <glx> it's partly in the struct (but I don't remember how it's done for renamed stations)

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20:28:23  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17893 /trunk/src/ (saveload/saveload.cpp settings_type.h table/settings.h): -Feature [FS#2633]: make it possible to disable background saving, only via the config file/in game console though

20:30:28  <rellig> can i increase the output of industry without using a cheat?

20:30:47  <Rubidium> yes

20:31:00  <rellig> how?

20:31:31  <Rubidium> you have the cheat menu opened?

20:31:49  <rellig> ... without using a cheat?

20:32:06  <rellig> its in a multiplayer game, anyway

20:32:20  <Rubidium> oh, then you can't

20:32:21  <Alberth> for non-primary industries, give it more materials that it needs

20:32:23  <frosch123> default industries?

20:32:33  <kannerke> getting the source, multiply the amount of generated cargo and compile ;o)

20:33:05  <Rubidium> kannerke: and whine to us that he or all his clients get kicked because they desync?

20:33:07  <rellig> should be easy if i know where i find this amount (my server is runing gentoo)

20:33:49  <kannerke> ah, for multiplayer, I overlooked that

20:34:10  <Rubidium> rellig: easy yes, wanted in a network game: no, primarily because people will get kicked because they haven't got the same modifications as you have

20:34:20  <rellig> its just some friends and me

20:34:29  <Belugas> your friends will desynch too

20:34:36  <rellig> and we want to start a new map now

20:34:39  <Alberth> rellig: all programs involved in a MP game must do exactly the same things all the times

20:35:14  <Alberth> ie your friends need the same modifed version them

20:35:18  <Alberth> then*

20:35:21  <frosch123> anyway, default primary industries increase are more likely to increase production than decrease when serviced with a rating >= 60%

20:35:22  <rellig> sure?

20:35:42  <frosch123> newgrfs may provide production boosting cargos and other stuff :p

20:35:45  <rellig> yeah, bit its still boring sometimes ...

20:37:02  <rellig> is it possible that the output amount was changed since 7.0?

20:37:20  <planetmaker> rellig, what time do you live in?

20:37:37  <rellig> what do you mean?

20:37:55  <planetmaker> what year do you write? ;-) "changed since 7.0?"

20:38:07  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17894 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Invalidate cache of vehicle vars 40-43 after testruns of certain commands, that change them temporarily.

20:38:09  <planetmaker> I have stable 0.7.3

20:38:21  <Sacro> new reelase?

20:38:38  <planetmaker> or 0.7.2? dunno. Never play stable ;-)

20:38:55  <rellig> i have 7.3 i think

20:39:09  <rellig> but the last time i played ottd it was 7.0

20:39:09  <frosch123> planetmaker: it's october, so 0.x.3 time

20:39:50  <planetmaker> :-)

20:40:03  <planetmaker> rellig, I'm sure your statements are wrong

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20:40:28  <planetmaker> that's why I ask you about the year you write ;-)

20:41:05  <rellig> kk

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20:43:10  <Belugas> bye bye

20:43:16  <Rubidium> night Belugas

20:43:17  <Zuu> bye Belugas

20:46:38  <yorick> april 1th is usually 0.x+1.0 time :D

20:49:09  <Tefad> your engrish is frawress

20:50:55  <Sacro> "Players had to be either non-musicians, or if a musician, play an instrument that was entirely new to them."

20:50:59  <Sacro> my ears ><

20:51:00  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17895 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move drawing code of the vehicle details window out of OnPaint, and remove hard-coded coordinate constants.

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21:45:11  <Terkhen> good night

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22:30:06  <Nite_Owl> Hello all

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22:33:56  <planetmaker> hello Nite_Owl

22:34:22  <Nite_Owl> Hello planetmaker

22:35:24  <Eddi|zuHause> "huhu"

22:35:53  <Nite_Owl> Hello Eddi|zuHause

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