IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-09-06
⏴ go to previous day
00:02:50 *** Phoenix_the_II has joined #openttd
00:30:26 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttd
01:01:32 *** Phoenix_the_II has quit IRC
01:13:30 *** Choco-Banana-Man has joined #openttd
01:20:19 *** Coco-Banana-Man has quit IRC
01:20:19 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man
01:32:37 <PeterT> oh boy, i love funny junk (spam)
01:39:10 <PeterT> sorry, wanted to test something
01:39:24 <PeterT> Hello Frank J. Beckman
01:41:08 <DaleStan> Maybe he doesn't feel like sharing his location with the entire world?
01:41:10 *** JFBelugas has joined #openttd
01:41:15 *** Coco-Banana-Man has quit IRC
01:43:36 <fjb> Everybody who really wants to know where I'm locate will find that out in a few seconds.
01:44:14 <JFBelugas> hoooo... i was dying to know that ;)
01:45:10 <fjb> Dying is your problem then. :-P
01:46:03 <JFBelugas> :) alll in black dye!
01:46:33 <JFBelugas> how come there is no spell checker on those things :S
01:49:16 <fjb> I used you as a spell checker.
01:55:32 <JFBelugas> choose the wrong one ;)
01:55:45 <JFBelugas> i;ve got a spell on you
01:55:56 <JFBelugas> because you're mine!
01:56:02 <glx> ha your on the notebook :)
01:56:08 <JFBelugas> <lovely Animals song>
01:56:16 <JFBelugas> nope, not from last year...
01:56:45 <fjb> Recursive spell checking. :-)
01:57:09 <PeterT> I don't know how to set the country for my profile
02:02:28 <fjb> You don't have to. Comcast is located in the USA.
02:02:51 <PeterT> that requires observations.
02:03:11 <PeterT> for xchat, i right click, then see if the user has entered a country under "Country"
02:03:43 <glx> guessing from the hostmask is more fun :)
02:03:55 <glx> good luck with my IPv6 ;)
02:04:19 <JFBelugas> i am indeed, glx :)
02:05:00 <glx> bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net <-- my IPv4 is not easier :)
02:06:31 <fjb> proxad.net is clearly france.
02:07:15 <glx> indeed, but as most french ISP it doesn't really tell the ISP name
02:07:53 <glx> and it's even worse for "merged" ISP
02:10:39 <fjb> "Free", what a name for an ISP...
02:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> why? we had a "freenet" over here, too
02:11:49 <fjb> Its a subsidiary of Iliad.
02:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> everything is a subsidiary of something nowadays
02:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause> it's for the "globalised" companies to launder their money and tax evasion
02:12:53 <fjb> Just an example how easy it is to find out how somebody is connected.
02:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause> there's really just a handful of huge corporations which control the majority of the world
02:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause> they even have their private armys so they can destabilise possibly upcoming countries and keep them from developing
02:15:00 <glx> now try with gaoland.net :)
02:17:11 <fjb> Societe Francaise du Radiotelephone.
02:17:58 <fjb> I can only tell you what it is now.
02:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i've lost overview, once upon a time t-online split from telekom, but later they said they wanted to merge again, what's the current status?
02:24:13 <fjb> Its owned by the Telekom now.
02:25:05 <fjb> Telekom was once part of DP.
02:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but that was like 20 years ago
02:25:47 <glx> a long time ago AOL was an ISP :)
02:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> afair. AOL withdrew from the german market
02:26:24 <PeterT> wow, must have been REALLY long time ago
02:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually had an aol account
02:27:20 <fjb> AOL was not raelly an ISP in the beginning. They hat their own service, idependent of the internet. Same with MSN.
02:27:43 * fjb never had an AOL account.
02:27:52 <Tefad> i was a prodigy kid ; )
02:28:01 <PeterT> lol, i remember on commericials they would have to specially say for stubborn AOL users "aol keyword: here"
02:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> they were the only company which offered an ISDN flatrate
02:28:20 <glx> I think I still have many AOL CDs
02:28:36 <Tefad> i use aol's server for oscar communications over their IM network..
02:28:39 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, yes, i have plenty of those :p
02:28:45 <fjb> glx: Do you remember Minitel?
02:29:07 <PeterT> I bought Grand Theft Auto and guess what! i got an AOL cd!
02:29:10 <glx> never had one, but it was a useful tool
02:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i think ICQ is owned by AOL, too
02:30:02 <fjb> Same syten as BTX. 300bps receiving speed and 75bps sending.
02:30:33 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, it is.
02:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> BTX, is that where you paid like 50¢ per page view?
02:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought time warner wanted to get rid of aol?
02:31:54 <fjb> Yes, kind of. Some pages where free. Commercial pages had different prices.
02:32:23 <fjb> Maybe they want to, but the still own AOL, as far as i know.
02:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> even right after they merged, they said it was a total mispurchase
02:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and they wanted to get rid of it again
02:34:17 <fjb> There was an alphabetical list of all BTX pages (entry pages to the service). first pages of the ist where all "A"s.
02:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "some pages were free" <- yes, maybe, but the phone bill itself wasn't low either
02:36:34 <fjb> BTX was shut down years ago.
02:37:15 <fjb> I only had an BTX account to get a cheap modem.
02:51:16 *** voker57 has joined #openttd
03:13:26 *** TinoDidriksen has joined #openttd
03:36:56 *** goodger has joined #openttd
03:43:41 *** TinoDidriksen has joined #openttd
03:47:52 *** voker57 has joined #openttd
04:03:46 <PeterT> god, noone talks at 12AM, 6AM europe?
04:05:31 <PeterT> what are you guys doing?
04:08:33 <PeterT> can you look at this for a sec?
04:08:44 <PeterT> do you like the signature i made for a mono set?
04:09:09 <FauxFaux> I'm trying to learn to play WoW, 'cos I don't have enough free time.
04:09:42 *** voker57 has joined #openttd
04:10:33 <glx> hmm WoW won't help you to get free time :)
04:16:33 <PeterT> yet again, glx and fauxfaux aren't talking :(
04:16:50 <PeterT> i wouldn't expect them to be TOO awake at 5 or 6 AM
05:40:01 *** voker57 has joined #openttd
06:32:08 *** voker57 has joined #openttd
07:07:48 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd
07:10:21 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttd
07:35:46 *** Aankhen`` has joined #openttd
07:40:18 *** Alberth has joined #openttd
08:25:01 *** Terkhen has joined #openttd
08:33:54 *** Progman has joined #openttd
08:35:01 *** Cybertinus has joined #openttd
08:41:23 *** stuffcorpse has joined #openttd
08:49:06 *** [com]buster has joined #openttd
08:52:06 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd
08:53:31 *** [com]buster has joined #openttd
09:01:39 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC
09:05:39 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster
09:21:10 *** thingwath has joined #openttd
09:34:29 <TrueBrain> DARN! I broke it :'(
09:47:45 *** oskari89 has joined #openttd
09:50:21 *** Azrael- has joined #openttd
09:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> apology accepted :)
09:53:39 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd
09:56:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17429 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix (r16378): conversion of TTO/TTD savegames failed when vehicle 0 was a wagon
10:07:11 *** valhallasw has joined #openttd
10:09:01 <TrueBrain> Saying to a suicide bomber: I wanne bet you can't do it again, is never funny
10:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, walter is great ;)
10:10:27 *** th1ngwath has joined #openttd
10:15:07 *** Coco-Banana-Man has joined #openttd
10:23:05 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd
10:29:07 *** tux_mark_5 has joined #openttd
10:35:47 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster
10:40:15 <fjb> TrueBrain: Start a game. OpenTTD is fun, I have been told. :-)
10:40:32 <TrueBrain> I believe you are mistaken
10:40:50 <TrueBrain> I guess I will continue launching another project
10:45:00 <fjb> There are many nice dutch girls, I have been told.
10:45:17 <TrueBrain> I can promise you that is the case :)
10:45:34 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
10:45:56 <SmatZ> first link in google images for "dutch girls"
10:46:16 <SmatZ> don't tell me google is wrong :-p
10:47:16 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttd
10:47:46 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 5th image is a nude image .... you got to love google!
10:48:23 <TrueBrain> and it doesn't get any better ... omg ...
10:49:34 <Alberth> all from Amsterdam, no doubt :p
11:07:28 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
11:09:09 *** thingwath has joined #openttd
11:23:45 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttd
12:08:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17430 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/regression.sav: -Fix: svn:mime-type property was missing from regression.sav.
12:09:33 <frosch123> it keeps svn diff from going nuts
12:16:07 *** worldemar has joined #openttd
12:40:46 *** Vikthor has joined #openttd
13:12:33 *** KritiK_ has joined #openttd
13:16:02 *** KritiK__ has joined #openttd
13:18:13 *** KritiK__ is now known as KritiK
13:21:39 <_ln> how was West Berlin supplied after the airlift? freight trains from the west?
13:25:01 <SmatZ> how long did it last? several days?
13:25:37 <SmatZ> if you mean the blockage of air supply
13:26:01 *** KritiK_ has joined #openttd
13:26:04 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttd
13:26:07 <_ln> several days = more like a year
13:29:37 <fjb> Yes, freight trains and usual trucks.
13:31:12 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK
13:31:42 <_ln> wikipedia says "It was still possible to travel from West Berlin to West [...] by specific rail and autobahn transit routes set aside for that purpose". how did that work? train windows covered? what about the autobahn?
13:33:22 <fjb> No, you were just forbidden to leave the train or to leave the autobahn.
13:34:11 <fjb> The transit trains just didn't stop at any station between the border stations.
13:34:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd
13:37:19 <_ln> A curious reader #elsewhere wants to know whether the autobahns were exclusively for western cars?
13:39:06 <fjb> They were usual DDR autobahns (existing from pre ww2 time).
13:39:41 <_ln> Was it advisable to hitch-hike on a western car / take hitch-hikers onboard?
13:40:14 <fjb> No, not really. Some tried, almost all got cought.
13:40:52 <fjb> Some could flee by jumping aboard a low speed train.
13:43:41 <_ln> fjb: Thank you for this enlightening description.
13:44:04 <fjb> Didn't like to live in a dictatorship.
13:44:45 <_ln> A Democratic dictatorship though!
13:44:48 <fjb> Just ask what you want to know. I try to explain, but my english is not the best.
13:45:17 <fjb> Yes, kind of democratic, like most dictatorships are.
13:46:22 <_ln> I see no flaws in your English, and you even have the apostrophe on your keyboard. :)
13:46:57 <fjb> I have. But I'm sometimes unsure about the spelling.
13:48:22 *** KritiK_ has joined #openttd
13:54:43 <fjb> The election in the DDR could optionally be open. You didn't have to fold the ballot or to put it into an envelope. You could show anybody where you made the cross. Maybe even colorcodet ballots were used. Everybody who did not show what he voted fpr was suspicious...
13:57:55 <SmatZ> north korea has "democratic" in its name too
13:59:14 <fjb> I bet they also held elections.
14:13:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man has quit IRC
14:15:11 *** Coco-Banana-Man has joined #openttd
14:42:18 <TrueBrain> hmm .. what is the default palette SDL assigned to a 8bit window ..
15:00:26 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd
15:21:44 <TrueBrain> Why oh why is Defying Gravity not in 720p available :(
15:23:19 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttd
15:27:00 <Eddi|zuHause> for a space ship?
15:27:53 <fjb> Shipping costs are very high in space.
15:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> 720p is actually not heavy at all, it's the weight that an object with mass of 720g produces on earth surface
15:29:49 <Rubidium> one of NASA's lunar probes has 461 GB/day bandwidth, more than enough for 720p ;)
15:30:09 <TrueBrain> I can send 400 of those in such case :)
15:30:13 <TrueBrain> 400 times 60 minutes ..
15:30:20 <TrueBrain> hmm .. you would run out of time to watch them!
15:30:33 <TrueBrain> you have to watch 15 at the same time, just to use the bandwidth :p
15:31:23 <Rubidium> @calc 720 * 1280 * 60 * 3600 * 24 / 1048576 / 1024
15:31:23 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 4449.46289062
15:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> somehow, i don't have that problem...
15:32:04 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you calculated .. what?
15:32:21 *** oskari89 has joined #openttd
15:32:22 <Rubidium> number of pixels * frames/sec * seconds in day / Gi
15:32:31 *** KritiK_ has joined #openttd
15:32:33 <TrueBrain> lol, since when is 1 pixel 1 byte?
15:32:37 <TrueBrain> we haven't had that for ages :)
15:32:55 <Rubidium> it's just to get a feeling for the amount of raw data
15:33:06 <Rubidium> with 1 byte per pixel it's ~4.5 TB/day
15:33:18 <Rubidium> so sadly enough you can't send it uncompressed
15:33:54 <TrueBrain> but okay, in 'raw' format a more real value would be 15 TB/day :)
15:34:25 <TrueBrain> although it gives an interesting concept .. a 720p movie via a 8bit palette :)
15:34:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd go mad if i had 15 TrueBrains per day
15:34:41 <TrueBrain> poor Eddi|zuHause :)
15:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean one is kinda stretching it already ;)
15:35:11 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: btw, that also assumes there is no audio, which is kind of essential when wathcing any movie
15:35:20 <TrueBrain> of course we want 5.1 streams, say, DTS :p
15:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so... audio is like what? 10% of the file?
15:35:55 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: 10% of the file is not something you want to use in this case :)
15:35:57 *** Peter is now known as PeterT
15:36:15 <TrueBrain> (I mean, 10% of a divx gives a whole other value than 10% of a raw video)
15:36:33 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
15:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's like wav audio vs. mp3 audio
15:37:35 <TrueBrain> 6.0 Mbit/s is DTS on BR
15:38:05 <TrueBrain> @calc 6 * 3600 * 24 / 8 / 1024
15:38:11 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK
15:38:12 <TrueBrain> so a small 63 GB extra
15:38:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and with 720p you usually have 6 channels (5.1), while on a "normal" divx you have 2 channels (stereo), so the ratio actually stays the same
15:38:34 <TrueBrain> 15 TB against 63 GB is not 10%
15:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> considering that the 720p is typically 3 times bigger
15:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and the companies processing the movies are most likely to process uncompressed images
15:39:44 <TrueBrain> so a 10% ratio means nothing when you start to combine different elements
15:39:55 <TrueBrain> you can only say: for a divx with 2.0 mp3 audio the normal ratio is 10%, or what ever
15:40:18 <TrueBrain> for example, bluray has 6.0 mbit/sec DTS, where HD-DVD has just 3.0 mbit/sec DTS
15:40:47 <TrueBrain> assuming both use 4 GB of audio, this has a bit difference in ratio
15:40:53 <TrueBrain> @calc 6 * 3600 * 2 / 8
15:41:11 <TrueBrain> hmm .. how big is a BR disk? :p
15:41:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought they were both different size anyway
15:41:34 <TrueBrain> so 20% for BR, and 10% for HD-DVD (on average) is audio :p
15:41:57 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, HD-DVD is 'just' 15 GB :p
15:42:19 <TrueBrain> both clearly not 10% :p
15:42:47 <TrueBrain> (okay, it is not really fair, as the last few years people started to value audio more and more, so it gain size with respect to video)
15:43:17 <PeterT> what is your custom airports patch about?
15:43:29 <Eddi|zuHause> custom airports maybe?
15:43:33 <Xaroth> doesn't the name say it all?
15:43:46 <TrueBrain> I watched too much Jeff Dunham :)
15:44:20 <TrueBrain> LOL! A 8x BR writer writes at 288 mbit/sec ...
15:44:30 <PeterT> i dont understand, what kind of airports?
15:44:33 <TrueBrain> the ones planes land on
15:44:48 <PeterT> why are they 'custom'?
15:44:53 <TrueBrain> because they are not regular
15:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: isn't SATA 2 limit like 300mbit?
15:45:13 <TrueBrain> in theory BR can write at 12x ...
15:45:37 <KingJ> I thought it was 3gbit, but due to overheads it comes out at 300mbyte?
15:46:01 <TrueBrain> KingJ: you are right, factor 10 off ;)
15:46:09 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd
15:47:37 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause, yes, thanks
15:48:35 <PeterT> thats a strange looking one
15:48:39 <TrueBrain> clearly time to get some food
15:49:09 <Xaroth> would be fun to see a plane land on that...
15:49:57 <PeterT> yeah, plane immediate crash
15:55:40 *** Aankhen`` has joined #openttd
15:56:35 <frosch123> the name suggests it :)
15:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, I do the hau-ing ;)
15:58:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate english... you can't emphasise the "I" by capitalising it...
15:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and my transformator doesn't yield enough power to turn the magnetic switches and signals...
16:01:03 <frosch123> then transform it into a more powerful one
16:04:18 *** worldemar has joined #openttd
16:05:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd
16:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> people will complain because they can't place rails on the half-green airport tiles
16:07:22 <PeterT> and if you make a patch that allows that, people will complain that their openttd is slow.
16:09:29 <frosch123> no, they will complain that there is nothing to complain about
16:10:59 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
16:11:32 *** green-devil has joined #openttd
16:11:48 <PeterT> frosch123: therfore, there is something to complain about, breaking the space-time continium, so they would never have complained in the first place
16:34:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has joined #openttd
16:36:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17431 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix (r16735): oldloader wasn't updated
16:42:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i still have no idea how SmatZ finds these...
16:43:17 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: from what I hear, he has this magic ball
16:43:19 <TrueBrain> it is really amazing
16:44:38 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: this one, loading of TTO game crashed on sunos
16:46:26 <TrueBrain> btw, SmatZ, I was wondering about the other patch, about the size_t casts
16:46:42 <TrueBrain> you cast v->next to (size_t) and compare it with 0xFFFF, which is not always of size_t size (64bit systems)
16:46:49 <TrueBrain> so it size_t really wanted here?
16:47:13 <TrueBrain> (truly wondering, nothing more :))
16:48:38 <SmatZ> it warned the other way around :-p
16:48:43 <TrueBrain> (I always see size_t as 'between' step to cast to void *, but never to compare with normal values)
16:49:00 <TrueBrain> yeah, but casting to (uint16) would be more sensible, not?
16:49:07 <TrueBrain> if ((size_t)v->next == 0xFFFF) { <- I mean thatone btw
16:49:17 <SmatZ> you would need (uint16)(size_t)v->next
16:49:36 <SmatZ> so you wouldn't help yourself anyway
16:50:49 <frosch123> is intptr_t already part of some "standard"
16:51:23 <SmatZ> frosch123: it's only "recommended"
16:51:46 <TrueBrain> why do I hate standards which 'recommend' stuff?
16:51:53 <TrueBrain> it makes it useless :(
16:52:04 <TrueBrain> (as there is always some big compiler which refuses to implement it :p)
16:52:29 <PeterT> SmatZ: the noterraform.diff on your dev page, what revision is that for?
16:52:55 <frosch123> what do the first 5 lines say?
16:52:57 <SmatZ> --- src/network/network_server.cpp (revision 13155)
16:52:58 <SmatZ> +++ src/network/network_server.cpp (working copy)
16:53:11 <TrueBrain> reading is something you have to get used to ;)
16:53:18 <PeterT> doesnt seem like that many lines of code
16:53:26 <PeterT> do you think it will work for 0.7.2?
16:54:26 <TrueBrain> frosch123: it is server-only, so in theory the M can be removed ;) :p
16:54:44 <PeterT> so if you terraform, you will be kicked?
16:54:52 <TrueBrain> although the user would be annoyed as he doesn't see his action happening :p
16:55:20 <frosch123> TrueBrain: you mean, the user fill desync immediatelly?
16:55:39 <SmatZ> terraform commands are silently ignored
16:55:42 <TrueBrain> if I read the first patch correctly, and nothing significant has changed in that area, the server ignores the terraform
16:55:48 <TrueBrain> meaning you click as client, and you never see the action
16:55:49 <SmatZ> and clients won't get message about that command
16:55:54 <TrueBrain> getting annoyed, clicking harder and harder :p
16:56:17 <frosch123> TrueBrain: but the client gets a CMD_ERROR which differs form its local state, doesn't it?
16:56:32 <TrueBrain> frosch123: no, the message is never bounced back
16:56:46 <TrueBrain> the state-check if only between the test of the command and the really executing of it
16:57:02 <TrueBrain> when you do a command, you send it to the server, and kind of forget all about it :p
16:57:16 <TrueBrain> when it bounces back (what normally happen in network_frame_freq, or what is the var), it happens
16:57:50 <TrueBrain> but okay, my knowledge is slightly out-dated, so I wouldn't put my hands in the fire for the above statement :p
16:58:13 <PeterT> lets see how it handles against 0.7.2
16:58:35 <PeterT> I have not seen TrueBrain.
16:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause> why do these pink elephants fly?
16:58:39 <TrueBrain> 'I' as in, the person who speaks, is a capital btw :p
16:58:44 *** lordaro has joined #openttd
16:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and i am always going to not capitalise it
16:59:15 <Eddi|zuHause> except when i don't.
16:59:49 <PeterT> i dont know what i think
17:01:05 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I had to look in the code, but my statement is correct :)
17:01:05 <PeterT> is noterraform3.diff -p0 or -p1?
17:01:24 *** KritiK_ has joined #openttd
17:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> read the damn diff
17:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause> if it starts with "a/" and "b/", it's -p1
17:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> if it starts with "src/", it's -p0
17:03:14 <TrueBrain> sometimes it is good that I don't have a webcam attached
17:03:32 <PeterT> even if you did, this is IRC...
17:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> or a device that stabs people over the internet? :p
17:03:43 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: ghehe :)
17:04:32 * TrueBrain picks up a rope and starts making something out of it
17:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause> means your computer is going to explode, PeterT
17:04:45 <TrueBrain> does google maps show nearby trees that are high enough?
17:04:57 <PeterT> why would you ask, persay?
17:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the patch will self destruct in 5 seconds
17:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "persay" is not a word
17:05:33 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: now THAT would be a cool feature!
17:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: it's spelled "per se"
17:06:04 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK
17:06:15 <PeterT> Eddi where are you from?
17:06:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought my nick was giving that away
17:06:37 * PeterT thinks people europe are better at english than amerIcans
17:06:45 <TinoDidriksen> PeterT, per se is Latin.
17:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause> when asre you going to learn this, 95% of people in here are from europe
17:09:08 <TrueBrain> but he forgot, hence 'knew' over 'know' ;)
17:09:28 <PeterT> Eddi: where are you from?
17:09:43 <TrueBrain> why does my IRC client show 'TrueBrain' twice in the list? :p
17:10:00 <Rubidium> cause of the importance of said user
17:10:15 <TrueBrain> that might explain why you are there 10 times ..
17:10:35 <PeterT> TrueBrain is from USA :O
17:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: wrong part of the whois
17:10:49 <TrueBrain> I just relocated! :) WHOHO!
17:11:08 <PeterT> * [Eddi|zuHause] (~johekr@p54B77AE9.dip.t-dialin.net): Johannes E. Krause
17:11:08 <Eddi|zuHause> again with the reading...
17:11:08 <PeterT> * [Eddi|zuHause] #openttd
17:11:08 <PeterT> * [Eddi|zuHause] reticulum.oftc.net :Berlin, Germany
17:11:08 <PeterT> * [Eddi|zuHause] 84.183.122.233 :actually using host
17:11:08 <PeterT> * [Eddi|zuHause] End of WHOIS list.
17:11:14 <PeterT> this is all it gives me
17:11:16 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +b *!~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
17:11:17 *** PeterT was kicked by DorpsGek (no spam)
17:11:25 *** DorpsGek sets mode: -b *!~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
17:11:35 *** Polygon has joined #openttd
17:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that means the server "reticulum" is in berlin, not that i am
17:13:09 <PeterT> so i have to guess from your name that your ***?
17:13:23 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Don't confuse him with such minor details.
17:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> what is with my ***?, that sentence is missing a finite verb.
17:14:18 <SmatZ> PeterT: you could guess that from "zuHause"
17:14:59 <PeterT> even if you're not, now you are
17:15:01 <TrueBrain> yeah, Eddi|zuHause, be like that! Pfff
17:15:08 <fjb> His german is really fine.
17:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: that is open for a lot of misunderstandings and misassociations...
17:15:18 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: really? Didn't notice :p
17:15:28 <TrueBrain> I would never say such things
17:15:39 <SmatZ> [19:15:06] <PeterT> even if your not, now your <== fixed
17:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you've said way worse over the time ;)
17:15:57 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: me? :p
17:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: yeah, i was thinking the same ;)
17:16:25 <PeterT> TrueBrain: how are you coming with that rope?
17:16:57 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: before getting tied up with the rope (:p), what happened to WT 3.1?
17:17:09 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: too many other fun things came along :p
17:17:35 <TrueBrain> currently launching another project, after which I will put a bit of attention to WT3.1 .. the base structure is nearly completed
17:17:46 <TrueBrain> I was hoping to have that all done before the end of this month, so
17:18:12 <TrueBrain> (if my classes don't become too demanding, that is
17:19:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that is close enough, i presume ;)
17:20:00 <frosch123> no that's the poor dutch guy whose identity you took over
17:20:30 *** KritiK_ has joined #openttd
17:21:08 <TrueBrain> none of your business what so ever
17:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my mouse is going completely belly up...
17:23:06 <TrueBrain> did my name receive a dot? :)
17:25:00 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +o SmatZ
17:25:30 * TrueBrain smells something good coming up :)
17:25:59 <TrueBrain> but no worries, it will happen sooner or later anyway :)
17:26:11 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK
17:27:18 *** SmatZ sets mode: +b PeterT!*@*
17:27:19 *** PeterT was kicked by SmatZ (User terminated!)
17:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the secret hideout ;)
17:27:44 <TrueBrain> but you can also make DorpsGek do that directly :) No need to do a +o ;)
17:28:10 <SmatZ> I always forget order of command parameters
17:28:20 <TrueBrain> I type it often enough :p
17:28:26 <SmatZ> is that "kban #openttd nick timeout message" ?
17:28:38 <TrueBrain> yup :) You can ommit the timeout if you like
17:29:02 <Ammler> just run it without parameter
17:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> what if i want the message to start with a number, but don't want to give a timeout?
17:29:40 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: '0' ;)
17:30:33 <TrueBrain> btw, it was my screenshot which gave that channel away
17:31:35 <TrueBrain> I always forget when making a screenshot people will look at them in detail finding weird shit :p
17:32:16 <glx> it could have been mine too
17:32:23 <TrueBrain> no, he was looking over my shots :)
17:33:04 <TrueBrain> I believe no other crucial information is in my shots :)
17:33:26 <frosch123> what you don't have your passwords as desktop wallpaper?
17:33:36 <TrueBrain> well, IRC shows your password in plaintext
17:33:42 <TrueBrain> it is JUST behind a window :p
17:35:02 <TrueBrain> but okay, I had to read over the text too, to see if there wasn't anything nasty in them :p ghehe :)
17:35:12 <frosch123> who decided to make the fill the screen behind the 2050 newpaper with red, or is that colour random?
17:35:25 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
17:35:28 <TrueBrain> wasn't it always yellow?
17:37:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen that newspaper
17:37:34 <frosch123> you get it when you need to fast forward 100 years
17:37:51 <frosch123> it always stops then :p
17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17432 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 21 changes by arnau
17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 4 changes by Gavin
17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 7 changes by silentStatic
17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 6 changes by Bart
17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 47 changes by dnd_man
17:54:56 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttd
17:57:51 *** lewymati has joined #openttd
17:58:56 *** KritiK_ has joined #openttd
18:09:29 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
18:11:49 *** KritiK__ has joined #openttd
18:14:43 <SmatZ> [19:35:19] <frosch123> who decided to make the fill the screen behind the 2050 newpaper with red, or is that colour random? <== I thought it's black
18:15:10 <frosch123> yeah, i just had a red one, which i never noticed before
18:15:14 <frosch123> so maybe it is undefined
18:15:55 <Ammler> company color of the leader. :-)
18:16:29 *** KritiK__ is now known as KritiK
18:16:29 *** tux_mark_5 has joined #openttd
18:17:33 <frosch123> tihs time it's violet
18:19:12 <frosch123> rewind one year, replay, again violet
18:19:59 <TrueBrain> rewind? COOL! How did you do that?
18:20:01 <frosch123> restarting ottd and displaying the highscore is black
18:20:14 <frosch123> but before it was violet
18:20:21 <TrueBrain> I guess someone forgot to define the colour ;)
18:22:26 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
18:27:04 <frosch123> greyish-light-blue, does not look that bad actually
18:27:07 <fjb> The world is round, the head too. But still the view of the world doesn't fit into most heads.
18:27:26 <frosch123> but there is a one pixel pink border at top and left
18:39:05 *** Grelouk has joined #openttd
18:54:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17433 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
18:54:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Store cumulated inflation in savegame and compute all prices from that instead of storing all prices separately.
18:54:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Note: Savegame conversion computes the inflation from max loan. Prices from modified savegames will get lost. TTO savegames will also behave slightly different.
18:54:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change: NewGRF price modifiers now take effect everytime when loading NewGRFs instead of once on gamestart.
18:54:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17434 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/ (regression.nut regression.sav regression.txt): -Update (r17433): The regression needs a new trick to not become bankrupt.
18:57:06 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
18:59:16 <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: Yes, yes there is. Somewhere nearby there's a sign saying Ham / Sandwich.
18:59:41 <welshdragon> Prof_Frink: are you logs watching?
19:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so... what's the new trick?
19:06:59 *** satan2k has joined #openttd
19:08:34 <frosch123> you can tell from regression.txt
19:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i fail to read something out of that...
19:11:18 <SmatZ> + GetMaxLoanAmount(): 2000000000
19:12:18 <Eddi|zuHause> svn is weird... -r accepts HEAD, but -c does not...
19:12:31 <Ammler> oh, did you fix that "magic number bug"?
19:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> which magic number?
19:13:10 <Ammler> oh no, I had the max "give money" in mind.
19:13:51 <frosch123> thanks :) though i was working on it before you asked yesterday :p
19:14:37 <fjb> frosch123: I didn't think you implemented it because of my question.
19:14:43 <SmatZ> nah, frosch123 had no sleep to fulfill your wishes ;)
19:15:09 <frosch123> yup, i anticipated his request
19:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i admire the way you didn't spoil that this was coming ;)
19:17:02 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i learned that i do not finish 90% of what i start
19:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that feeling ;)
19:17:40 <frosch123> so i try to shup up :p
19:24:34 *** TinoDid has joined #openttd
19:24:36 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen
19:33:57 <planetmaker> [21:17] <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i learned that i do not finish 90% of what i start <-- ugly feeling, yes. But truth sometimes hurts. Maybe it's called growing up, though ;-)
19:35:06 * SmatZ wonders who is older, frosch123 or planetmaker? ;)
19:35:24 <SmatZ> I hate the feeling of having unfinished work
19:35:43 <SmatZ> and the heap of it is still growing! :(
19:35:57 <planetmaker> SmatZ: I guess I'm older than most (not all though) in this channel
19:36:04 <frosch123> luckily you forget the things at the bottom :p
19:36:12 <planetmaker> frosch123: exactly ;-)
19:36:21 <planetmaker> first in first forgotten queue :-P
19:36:33 <TrueBrain> nobody is older than Belugas :)
19:36:38 <SmatZ> hmm there are things I would rather forget
19:36:49 <Ammler> TrueBrain: maybe fjb is :P
19:36:52 <frosch123> TrueBrain: wrong in fact
19:37:03 <TrueBrain> frosch123: really?! I would have sworn I was correct :p
19:37:23 <frosch123> TrueBrain: nite_owl is about as old as him, andersi is about 10 years older
19:37:34 <TrueBrain> I can only hope people are older than Belugas :)
19:38:04 * fjb thinks that Belugas might be a bit oder.
19:38:21 <Ammler> fjb: you missed a d or l
19:38:26 <SmatZ> actually, yes, I googled for "Ingo von Borstel" quite recently :)
19:38:45 <SmatZ> found some interesting pdf :)
19:39:24 <SmatZ> planetmaker: how do you feel since there are only 8 planets in the solar system? :(
19:39:49 <planetmaker> actually: great :-)
19:40:24 <planetmaker> a small dwarf which constantly tried to say "me! me! me!" without good reason. Basically like many non-grown ups.
19:40:34 <planetmaker> when he is grown up, I'd gladly welcome him ;-)
19:40:36 <TrueBrain> oeh, like PeterT? :)
19:40:59 <planetmaker> any references to this channel or the forums are purely co-incidential ;-)
19:41:06 <SmatZ> planetmaker: was there a planet between Mars and Jupiter in the past?
19:41:30 <Ammler> he is still working on....
19:41:43 <TrueBrain> talking about unfinished work
19:41:49 <planetmaker> nah, I make complete solar systems rather :-)
19:42:23 <KenjiE20> dibs on my name in a glacier
19:43:31 *** TinoDidriksen has joined #openttd
19:46:19 <SmatZ> planetmaker: I am sorry if my last question angered you :()
19:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: wasn't there some kind of problem when having more than two objects? :)
19:47:42 <planetmaker> SmatZ: angered? I have no reason to be angered...
19:47:54 <TrueBrain> I can fix that! :) :) :)
19:47:56 <SmatZ> ok :) just you didn't answer :(
19:48:00 <TrueBrain> (it is the BOFH in me :p)
19:48:26 <planetmaker> SmatZ: there was no planet:
19:48:28 <planetmaker> [21:41] <SmatZ> planetmaker: was there a planet between Mars and Jupiter in the past?
19:48:30 <planetmaker> [21:41] <planetmaker> nope.
19:48:47 <SmatZ> ah, sorry, I thought it's a reply to TrueBrain
19:48:49 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I believe you to the last comma
19:49:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: so why is there an asteroid belt instead of a real planet?
19:49:27 <planetmaker> The answer to TB was the irony-soaked reply with "purely incidential" ;-)
19:49:29 <TrueBrain> because the real planet was never formed? :p
19:49:46 <planetmaker> tides from jupiter basically. resonances
19:50:11 <SmatZ> planetmaker: I heard some theory about Mars and "the other planet" colliding, then maybe the crash creating some particles, crashing Earth and causing Moon to appear... and such :-p
19:50:35 <planetmaker> eh... rather not :-)
19:50:47 <planetmaker> but it needed a mars-body to hit Earth in order to form Moon
19:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planets crashing... sounds unlikely
19:50:55 <TrueBrain> you do know NGC and Discovery Channel mostly broadcasts bullshit? :)
19:51:11 <TrueBrain> (was just a general observation :))
19:51:14 <frosch123> so original engame newspaper uses some weird brown at the border, while opengfx uses something quite more blackish
19:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know either NGC or Discovery Channel
19:51:26 <frosch123> what colour to fill the border with?
19:51:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: planets: yes. Planetesimals or protoplanets: not unlikely at all in the late heavy bombardment.
19:51:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: and it is random at you why?
19:51:57 <frosch123> TrueBrain: trunk is random as END_COLOUR results in an out-of-bounds read
19:52:00 <planetmaker> or where do you think the giant craters like the maria on the Moon or the big 11km deep crater on Mars come from?
19:52:09 <SmatZ> frosch123: TTD-black :) opengfx can be modified to use TTD colour, but not the other way around (imho)
19:52:13 <TrueBrain> frosch123: but of the gfx defines the colour?
19:52:19 <fjb> I thought the asteroids were spare parts.
19:52:39 <planetmaker> fjb: rather left-overs
19:52:50 <SmatZ> [21:52:08] <planetmaker> or where do you think the giant craters like the maria on the Moon or the big 11km deep crater on Mars come from? <== God's will? :-p
19:53:01 <planetmaker> :-) That may still be true.
19:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it doesn't take a planet-sized object to form an 11km crater
19:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but 11km deep is not big either, when the radius is 3000km
19:54:18 <planetmaker> 2300km wide. which is a medium-sized asteroid of 230km width impacting
19:54:19 <SmatZ> from what I heard about apocalytic scenarios, only few kilometers wide asteroid would be enough to kill all people (in effect)
19:54:38 <planetmaker> SmatZ: certainly true
19:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: yes, but not due to the impact
19:54:51 <planetmaker> the climate change would work wonders
19:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause> rather from the climate changes
19:55:03 <SmatZ> I thought the dust would settle in weeks, at most
19:55:28 *** thingwath has joined #openttd
19:55:50 <planetmaker> if ejected to the higher atmosphere it will circle for months, if not years in the stratosphere
19:56:09 <planetmaker> like the dust from Pinatubo was the next months creating nice, colourful sunsets.
19:56:11 *** DaleStan has joined #openttd
19:56:12 <frosch123> but there is a certain chance it will hit water
19:56:20 <planetmaker> frosch123: doesn't matter
19:56:30 <planetmaker> not for that size
19:57:00 <frosch123> impacting in the pacific will still cause dust :o
19:57:10 <planetmaker> I would guess, yes.
19:57:12 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I am going to try uzbl :p If I ever can get it compiled :p
19:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: there's not much water left in 11km depth
19:57:29 <planetmaker> and water is easily displaced :-)
19:57:42 <planetmaker> the tsumami will be unique, though ;-)
19:58:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but the tsunami hardly kills all people
19:58:07 * SmatZ lives ~400 km from nearest sea :)
19:58:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm 160m above sea level
19:58:47 <TrueBrain> ... hmm .. 10km from the nearest sea, and about 1m above sea level
19:58:53 <SmatZ> there are quite many nederlanders here though :-x
19:58:54 <planetmaker> @calc 150000^3 * 3000 * 30000^2 / 2
19:58:54 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
19:59:06 <planetmaker> @calc 150000**3 * 3000 * 30000**2 / 2
19:59:06 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 4556250000000000237494075392
19:59:11 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: the term for that is "Arschkarte" :)
19:59:17 <TrueBrain> that is a BIG number
19:59:25 <planetmaker> ^^ released kinetic energy in Joules for a 150km diameter impactor
19:59:27 <KenjiE20> that's a lot of zero's
20:00:01 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: What's it made of? Lead? Aerogel?
20:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: how many tschernobyl explosions are that?
20:01:07 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: give me the number and I can tell you ;-)
20:01:16 <frosch123> [21:59] * SmatZ lives ~400 km from nearest sea :) <- isn't czech somewhat valley-like?
20:01:17 <SmatZ> @calc log(4556250000000000237494075392) / log(10)
20:01:17 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 27.6586075457
20:01:37 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 2.30258509299
20:01:48 <TrueBrain> why do math people always fuck up log vs ln .. :(
20:02:03 <z-MaTRiX> @alc log(-1) / log(sqrt(-1))
20:02:07 <z-MaTRiX> @calc log(-1) / log(sqrt(-1))
20:02:10 <Eddi|zuHause> log is always ln in any math program i know
20:02:27 <SmatZ> frosch123: most of czech rep is above 200m above sea I think ;)
20:02:29 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 3.32192809489
20:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc log(256,2)
20:02:56 <planetmaker> @calc log(4556250000000000237494075392,10)
20:02:56 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 27.6586075457
20:02:59 <DorpsGek> frosch123: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
20:03:08 <DorpsGek> frosch123: Error: 'lg' is not a defined function.
20:03:35 <planetmaker> @calc 1000**3 * 3000 * 30000**2 / 2
20:03:35 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1350000000000000000000
20:03:44 <DorpsGek> z-MaTRiX: 1.57079632679i
20:03:46 <planetmaker> @calc log(1000**3 * 3000 * 30000**2 / 2,10)
20:03:46 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 21.1303337685
20:04:00 <planetmaker> ^^ still, one km wouldn't be much better :-)
20:04:40 <planetmaker> @calc log( (1000**3) * 3000 * (30000**2) / 2,10)
20:04:40 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 21.1303337685
20:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> how much does an asteroid lose during atmospheric entrance?
20:04:53 <planetmaker> good. Doesn't matter and priority is conserved :-)
20:04:54 *** SmatZ sets mode: -b PeterT!*@*
20:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. how big must an object be to actually reach the surface)
20:05:05 <Xaroth> wait, PeterT got banned?
20:05:19 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: depends on size.
20:05:42 <planetmaker> glx: the angle can indeed case it to flipper like a stone on water :-)
20:06:14 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: size: depends upon structural integrity.
20:06:36 <planetmaker> it maybe very small, if solid rock or iron meteorite.
20:06:56 <planetmaker> or it may fragment like probably the tunguska one did.
20:07:04 <planetmaker> and explode in mid-air
20:07:08 <Aali> what if it's made of unobtanium?
20:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> who names these things?
20:07:19 <planetmaker> so: >100m is probably a sure hit on the ground
20:07:25 <SmatZ> planetmaker: do you think dinosauruses (dinosarii?) died because of asteroid impact?
20:07:35 <planetmaker> yes, I think it quite plausible
20:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the russians did not die
20:08:05 <planetmaker> it was only a few 10m...
20:08:27 <planetmaker> but flattened 100s of sqkm of land
20:08:41 <Aali> nice to see #openttd completely off topic, as always :)
20:08:52 <Prof_Frink> #openttd has a topic now?
20:08:54 <TrueBrain> it was scary for a few days, all that ontopic blabla
20:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> there are plenty of impact craters all over the world
20:09:31 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: and if we didn't have plate tectonics there'd be so many more...
20:09:46 <planetmaker> max. age of surface features is like 200 million years or so.
20:10:07 * planetmaker happily continues on topic :-P
20:10:25 <TrueBrain> on 'a' topic, would be the correct way of saying that
20:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i once heard that an impact hit the hudson bay
20:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and it is still in motion from that impact
20:10:43 <Aali> you should add a meteor impact disaster to openttd
20:10:54 <TrueBrain> Aali: you just made it ontopic
20:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd yell "kick him", but it is a dangerous phrase to say ;)
20:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it could... backfire :p
20:11:28 <planetmaker> Aali: I added the Mars heightmap. Does that suffice? ;-)
20:11:29 <Prof_Frink> Aali: What, just an earth-shattering kaboom and a game over screen?
20:11:33 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you are catching on :)
20:11:34 * SmatZ wonders how to make "openttd" banned word in konversation
20:11:39 <Aali> Prof_Frink: yes, yes, I like that
20:12:02 <Aali> planetmaker: does it have a mars-shattering kaboom?
20:12:04 <SmatZ> @learn "*openttd*" kick
20:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never figured out konversation-scripting
20:12:32 *** williham has joined #openttd
20:12:55 <SmatZ> i've never knew there is any :(
20:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it comes with a few builtin scripts
20:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> like the media script
20:13:55 <planetmaker> Aali: well... that'd need scripting in OpenTTD :-)
20:13:59 * Eddi|zuHause is watching Conan o'Brien-20090906-205900.m2t [Kaffeine]
20:15:05 * planetmaker grabs another Episode of "Big Bang Theory"
20:15:14 <TrueBrain> I can't wait for the new episodes :)
20:15:23 *** DorpsGek sets mode: +b *!~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
20:15:24 *** PeterT was kicked by DorpsGek (and I know timed kban now!)
20:16:02 <Terkhen> two weeks is too much...
20:16:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably start watching that in english...
20:16:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the german translation of TBBT is probably shit
20:17:26 <glx> SmatZ: kick on openttd would be silly :)
20:17:31 <Terkhen> the spanish translation gave me nightmares
20:17:37 <TrueBrain> glx: no, it would be fun fun fun!
20:18:10 <glx> kicking CIA-1 is not fun :)
20:18:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: i thought there's a rather big market for spanish translations in the usa
20:18:18 <frosch123> did i miss something? more kicks?
20:18:47 <frosch123> what did peter this time?
20:19:06 <TrueBrain> being himself .. but that is not really a compliment :)
20:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> kicking anyone pointing to the website? ;)
20:19:32 <Terkhen> I don't know about that... but this translation wasn't made in the usa
20:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i heard something about spanish-speaking population reaching 15% in the USA, and thus forming the largest minority
20:23:03 <SmatZ> I... I... I... just can't help myself :(
20:23:09 *** SmatZ sets mode: -b *!~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net
20:23:40 <SmatZ> no matter how hard I try
20:23:46 <Terkhen> yes, but I don't think that they are actually making translated versions directly... otherwise I wouldn't have to wait so much time for the subtitles
20:23:53 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: give it some time :)
20:24:49 <TrueBrain> You know what, you be my PFY for now, then you will learn it soon enough :p
20:25:04 *** ProfFrink has joined #openttd
20:30:34 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink
20:34:50 <TrueBrain> :/usr/include/libsoup-2.4/libsoup/soup-session-feature.h:21: warning: struct has no members
20:36:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17435 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.h economy.cpp table/cargo_const.h): -Codechange: Move _cargo_payment_rates[] to CargoSpec::current_payment.
20:41:59 *** green-devil has joined #openttd
20:42:10 *** green-devil has joined #openttd
20:42:11 *** green-devil has left #openttd
20:42:26 *** green-devil has joined #openttd
20:42:28 *** green-devil has left #openttd
20:44:46 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttd
20:47:37 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttd
20:49:45 <DaleStan> Yexo (Pounce message): You may have noticed that I extended the format for 0.dat in r2197. It's bi-directionally compatible with the previous format.
20:49:46 <DaleStan> Yexo (Pounce message): But one of the new tricks is that you can get NFORenum to check that the airport tiles are defined if you change the airport prop 0A data so tile ids are read with 0A, not 02. (Provided 2v.dat reports 0D as the "other" type for feature 10.)
20:49:55 *** Choco-Banana-Man has joined #openttd
20:50:23 *** Chris_Booth_ has joined #openttd
20:51:03 *** Coco-Banana-Man has quit IRC
20:51:03 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man
20:54:46 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd
20:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i got thrown off
20:56:20 <TrueBrain> Yexo: I am glad that you can understand newgrf things .. it still makes my head spin :p
20:56:30 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth
20:56:31 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: happens
20:56:50 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: * Eddi|zuHause heeft verlaten (Remote host closed the connection)
20:57:15 <Yexo> TrueBrain: at first it did that too me too, but when I finally got around to working with it it's actually quite nice
20:57:28 <TrueBrain> Yexo: hehe :) Well, keep on going, I say :p
20:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause> at least konversation changed the message from "no error" to "unknown error"... that was always weird...
20:58:05 <TrueBrain> Yexo: really the translation is "heeft verlaten" ... omg .. that translation sucks!
20:58:13 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: hehe, mine still does that :p
20:58:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen that message reporting an actual error
20:58:54 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: when has dutch translation ever made sense?
20:59:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you poor dutch, having a language that can't possibly make any sense
20:59:48 <Yexo> TrueBrain: it does indeed, but since there aren't that many strings I can't be bothered to switch the language
21:00:09 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: point :P
21:00:27 <TrueBrain> I still have to find a better alternative to Konversation
21:00:32 <TrueBrain> as its colouring of peoples name just sucks
21:00:49 <TrueBrain> I was talking about a real and sane IRC client
21:00:53 <TrueBrain> not some ... weird ass client
21:01:13 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: you can turn off the colouring ;)
21:01:27 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I can also terminate IRC all together
21:01:35 <TrueBrain> but it doesn't really help me in the way I was hoping it would :)
21:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can't... it's a phrase all addicted people use
21:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "i can stop whenever i want to"
21:02:14 *** TrueBrain has left #openttd
21:02:39 <Eddi|zuHause> he's not going to sustain this very long :p
21:02:57 <_ln> and he didn't terminate the irc client, just parted
21:04:28 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: "the cool cam" <- is that where they programmed this flight simulator?
21:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's truely classic
21:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> always have a feature to show your boss :)
21:06:50 <glx> and carefully hide the bugs :)
21:08:29 <Terkhen> hmmm... the language select dropdown is not being redrawn correctly and behaves strangely in r17435
21:09:15 *** dasy2k1 has joined #openttd
21:10:33 <Yexo> dasy2k1: if you have a question, just ask it
21:10:57 <dasy2k1> sorry my client had hidden the names list, it looked like i was in an empty channel
21:11:38 <dasy2k1> can anyone see my server? the game name is "PAX/MAIL only uk"
21:12:07 <dasy2k1> im not 100% sure if my port forwarding is working properly
21:12:12 <Rubidium> can servers.openttd.org see it?
21:12:55 <dasy2k1> ah yes, its there, i diddnt know that page existed
21:14:29 <dasy2k1> now i just have to wait for somone to see it and think that it may be worth joining
21:15:09 <Yexo> from servers.openttd.org: "There are 144 clients, 144 IPv4 servers and 1 IPv6 servers."
21:15:17 <Yexo> enough servers, not enough players
21:16:55 <PeterT> dasy2k1, what version?
21:17:03 <dasy2k1> what times of day are normally busy?
21:17:28 <PeterT> coming, i have an extra nice patch with 072
21:17:42 <Yexo> dasy2k1: dunno exactly, but there are always +- as much players as servers
21:18:15 <PeterT> server list filter, inteligent depots, copy paste, new grf gui
21:18:27 <Rubidium> I've not seen a moment where 2 * #server < #players yet
21:19:02 <dasy2k1> PeterT: will this work in multiplayer without everyone having to have it?
21:19:13 <PeterT> yes, its a client-side patch
21:19:28 <PeterT> multiplayer patch pack by bilbo
21:19:47 <PeterT> he hasn't released binaries, only the patch, so i needed to patch it myself
21:19:50 <Rubidium> intelligent depots is MP safe?
21:19:51 <Yexo> another desyncable patch pack
21:20:09 <dasy2k1> i can patch anything myself
21:20:22 <PeterT> oh sorry, intelli-depots is another one
21:20:26 <dasy2k1> liklyhood that binarys are no use to me anyway
21:20:33 <PeterT> i couldnt add it without failed hunks
21:20:50 <PeterT> dasy2k1, i cant join, i need grfs
21:23:12 <Rubidium> gheheh... if I can't make binaries that work for you you're probably using a really old OS
21:23:53 <planetmaker> or an unsupported ;-)
21:24:01 <Rubidium> or an odd architecture
21:24:47 <PeterT> try cross compiling windows to linux
21:25:29 <dasy2k1> PeterT: thats a new one on me.... the other way round i have attempted (with little sucsess)
21:26:23 <PeterT> windows developing enviorments are so bad its indescribable
21:26:40 <PeterT> Windows' devs probably use mac/linux to make windows
21:26:47 <dasy2k1> when most poeple say they have bins they normally mean windoze .exe s
21:27:54 <dasy2k1> cant say i blame them really, i would certianly not use windows for anything even if it was free
21:28:06 <planetmaker> I usually offer them then a mac binary
21:28:44 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd
21:28:58 <planetmaker> for security reasons I should find the alphas in the institute, get OpenTTD to compile there and offer its result.
21:31:45 <fjb> I once got asked for a binary. So I put one on the forum. People started to compain that it did not work...
21:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> a file consisting of only 1s and 0s does not constitute a binary ;)
21:40:02 <fjb> It was a working OpenTTD binary.
21:41:05 <Yexo> DaleStan: thanks, it works nicely :)
21:43:23 <planetmaker> I should do that, too ;-)
21:43:40 <planetmaker> was it solaris or freebsd?
21:44:17 <Tefad> Eddi|zuHause: you mean ascii encoded '0' and '1' ?
21:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Tefad: yes, that i meant ;)
21:45:36 <Tefad> you could mask it against 0xFE to extract the 0 and 1 bit parts
21:53:46 <fjb> I have a depot that eats trains. :-(
21:54:58 *** `Fuco`` has joined #openttd
21:59:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17436 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Change: pay only for cargo actually delivered, not for all cargo unloaded at station (can differ with 'stockpiling' industries)
22:00:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai
22:01:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i can't figure out why this train is always derailing at the same place
22:01:49 *** `Fuco`` is now known as Fuco
22:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably start considering just buying new tracks
22:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> an E 11 with 4 long passenger wagons
22:03:46 <fjb> Which one derails an from which manufacturer is it?
22:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i can tell, all are from pre-1990 piko
22:05:11 <fjb> Piko is known to run well.
22:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the tracks are probably bad... it's some old swiches
22:06:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17437 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Change: don't accept cargo produced in the same industry (generalise and improve the check used only for valuables)
22:06:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the tracks are also pre-1990
22:07:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but i can't isolate the exact place where it's going wrong
22:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> when i let just the engine run, the second "drehgestell" of the engine derails, when i let the full train go, the second wagon derails
22:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that wagon is a little shorter than the others
22:09:36 <PeterT> could you add a feature which allows me to cut someone from the server, (kick) without them knowing i kicked them?
22:09:56 <PeterT> just say "game connection lost" instead of "you have been kicked"
22:10:15 <Terkhen> why do you need to do that?
22:10:24 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that feature exists, it's called a firewall
22:10:35 <PeterT> not when you only have the rcon
22:11:24 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Then it is really hard to find. I would also blame the track.
22:12:08 <fjb> Remote firewall configuration...
22:13:00 <PeterT> it would be easier to have "rcon pw cut 426"
22:14:12 <PeterT> 426 not actually being the client number
22:14:19 <fjb> But why not telling them that they got kicked?
22:15:38 <SmatZ> do you want to be cut instead of kicked?
22:15:45 <SmatZ> I could implement it for openttdcoop server
22:16:03 <PeterT> no, i want to make someone lose their connection
22:16:16 <Yexo> SmatZ: now you spoiled the fun :( You should've told him his connections wasn't good
22:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT wants to have his BOFH phantasies
22:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no. it's impossible to implement.
22:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> this is not a joke.
22:20:51 <Yexo> but still NO is probably the better answer :)
22:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you still have not answered the question "why?"
22:21:47 <SmatZ> PeterT: still I don't see the reason for that
22:22:07 <SmatZ> the sad thing is that if I ever implement it, it will be used against you :(
22:22:57 <SmatZ> PeterT: but... learn C(++)! it will be useful in your future life ;)
22:23:07 <PeterT> theres this really annoying kind on a server, if i kick him, he pm's me until my eyes bleed. its easier to be able to cut his connection
22:23:12 <PeterT> yes smatz, im learning c++
22:23:19 <PeterT> book arrived a while ago
22:23:32 <PeterT> i can convert celcius to farenheight
22:23:51 <Yexo> why not just ban him if he is that annoying?
22:24:18 <Rubidium> you know what's annoying? People talking about him...
22:24:41 <PeterT> ok fine, i see you've already made up your mind, no point in argueing the matter
22:25:05 <fjb> There are more annoying persons in the world...
22:26:05 <Eddi|zuHause> may i suggest an annoying person as candidate for a ban? :)
22:26:21 <SmatZ> PeterT: I think, you should have a look at something like ConKick and ... Network*::CloseConnection() or so...
22:26:53 <PeterT> no smatz, not that deep into C++
22:28:38 <Yexo> maybe it's an idea to move that property to the data files?
22:31:01 *** Dred_furst has joined #openttd
23:12:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17438 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/cocoa_v.h: -Fix (r17428): ofcourse some part of the OSX port would be forgotten due to it being so much different than the rest :(
23:19:55 *** voker57 has joined #openttd
23:33:14 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd
23:37:48 *** voker57 has joined #openttd
23:38:08 *** Dreamxtreme has joined #openttd
continue to next day ⏵
