IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-09-07
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03:56:21 <DaleStan> <Yexo> airports can have a single sprite (preview in gui). To support this properly in nforenum I need a patch: <-- I think it might be more logical to do 0..4 vs. everything-else. Sound reasonable to you?
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07:39:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17439 /trunk/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r17436): you weren't paid for cargo delivered to houses and headquarters anymore
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07:59:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17440 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix [FS#3179] (r17375): long scrollbars would scroll when that was not intended. They would also not properly mark the window dirty.
08:04:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17441 /trunk/src/waypoint_gui.cpp: -Fix (r16900): close the vehicle list of the vehicle type that visits the waypoint instead of for all vehicle types
08:05:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17442 /trunk/src/depot.cpp: -Fix [FS#3180]: destruction of depots didn't remove any vehicle lists related to the depot, causing windows pointing to deleted depots and (thus) crashes
08:35:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17443 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp road_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r17442): clear the depot tile after removing the depot in all cases instead of only for ships; makes removing road/rail depots not crash :)
08:37:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17444 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3173]: when building roads isn't allowed for town, then don't build the initial piece either
08:52:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17445 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17318): force resort after changing sort type in the industry list window
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08:59:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17446 /trunk/src/ (53 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: rename BUILD with BUY for strings that are about building (in the future buying) vehicles.
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09:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> oooh... someone talking about future ;=
09:06:23 <Rubidium> well, that patch horribly fails to apply :)
09:07:03 <planetmaker> It's horribly old, I guess
09:07:11 <planetmaker> but it can be closed now, I'd bet
09:08:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17447 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: rename a local variable so it doesn't collide with the name of a global function
09:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought coding style should prevent such things
09:09:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17448 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change [FS#2997]: buy vehicles instead of building them; makes it consistent with selling. Based on a patch by planetmaker
09:09:33 <planetmaker> He. I see the difference :-)
09:10:06 <Zuu> The OpenTTD coding style is not that very extreeme with prefixes etc. to distungish members from local valiables etc. as far as I remember.
09:10:09 <Eddi|zuHause> now update all translations as well ;)
09:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: yes, but functions=starts with capital letter, variable=starts with lower case letter i thought
09:11:50 <Zuu> hmm, though it was two variables, but yea now when I read it better I see it was function vs variable.
09:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and global variables must start with a _
09:12:31 <Rubidium> it doesn't collide yet, but it would with a future patch
09:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> again with the future..
09:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium the oracle.
09:24:11 <Zuu> A future patch may also remove the posibilities of collisions by reducing the line count to zero. :-p
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10:00:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17449 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix (r17436): MSVC compile warning about comparing signed and unsigned values
10:08:08 <Noldo> oh you too have gotten into the fine art of mold growing
10:08:26 <Zuu> Thanksfully I have not brough my lunch yet.. :-)
10:09:04 <Noldo> and specimen is even nicely contained in a plastic bag, not your first project?
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10:23:15 <Zuu> I had some fruit contained in a bag for 6 weeks, it was even a bit soil at the bottom of the bag when I opened it. :-)
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10:28:05 <Vikthor> Are you aware that production of biological weapons is internationally banned ? :p
10:29:01 <Rubidium> yes, I'm aware that I'm internationally banned
10:29:05 <Zuu> To make it clear for whoever scanns this channel, it was not by any evil purpose. I was just lazy. :-p
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10:34:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Vikthor: the amount of chemicals produced in germany can easily be used for warfare, even though they are "civilian" products
10:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. pesticides and insecticides
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11:09:06 <Rubidium> half tile wouldn't do the trick
11:09:22 <Rubidium> the runway is 'shown' over way more than half the tile
11:10:04 <Rubidium> and half tile slopes would imply that you can build rail on the lower part
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11:10:26 <Yexo> Rubidium: not really, it's the circled tile, that one has only a tin part runway
11:10:45 <Yexo> the tile where the north corner is lowered
11:11:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17450 /trunk/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: refactor the windows crash logger so parts of it can be reused by other crash logger implementations
11:11:31 <Yexo> <@Rubidium> and half tile slopes would imply that you can build rail on the lower part <- that is a drawback, but still it looks better then a complete foundation
11:11:32 <Rubidium> hmm, the sprites 'bleed' into the next tile or so?
11:11:59 <Yexo> no, that tile has no ground sprite but only a building sprite with a z-offset of 8 pixels
11:12:53 <Yexo> and normal ground sprites are drawn below every tile, so you can have easily have snow/desert by leaving part of the sprite blank
11:14:53 <Rubidium> it'd probably be possible, but I reckon the NewGRF needs to give some information about that; it can't figure out on its own whether it's a half or full tile
11:18:14 <SmatZ> half foundation would be nice, and even nicer if the second half could be used for rail ;) but that's sure too much
11:19:08 <Rubidium> too much? That's probably *way* too much
11:19:34 * Rubidium points at signals and station indices
11:20:03 <SmatZ> yeah, I just wanted to have some uneducated idea :-p
11:20:57 <Yexo> there are still 8 bits free, so in theory it's possible :)
11:21:57 <SmatZ> no place to store owner :(
11:22:04 <SmatZ> so it would be need to be the same
11:22:29 <Yexo> that restriction is already in place for 2 diagonal rails on the same tile
11:23:25 <Rubidium> anyhow, railtype and signals ought to be in the same place or stuff gets unnecessarily slowed down
11:23:27 <SmatZ> even railtype has to be the same
11:23:43 <SmatZ> yeah, sure it wasn't practical idea
11:24:38 <SmatZ> 1 bit "track is here", 4 bits track type, 1 bit signal is/isn't, 1 bit signal variant... 3 bits signal type, 1 bit signal status, 1 bit track reservation...
11:24:50 <SmatZ> @calc 1 + 4 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 1
11:25:35 <Yexo> so even in theory not possible
11:25:51 <SmatZ> actually, more likely 13
11:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> how far are we away from "airport bridges"?
11:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (like in Leipzig/Halle)
11:28:48 <Yexo> that will only be possible with tunnels
11:30:24 <KenjiE20> hah Heathrow would be the interesting one :P
11:30:29 <Yexo> in theory it's possible with tunnels (so real bridges), but that would mean modifing the bridge code because airport tiles could be end tiles
11:31:09 <Yexo> KenjiE20: give me a tile layout and movement scheme and maybe I'll code it :)
11:31:24 <Yexo> that holds for other interesting airports too :)
11:31:53 <KenjiE20> with a central hole for road traffic?
11:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the bridge heads should be airport tiles
11:32:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Hexan: i've had that situation for real ;)
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11:45:48 <Ammler> Yexo: do you care about compile warnings for airport branch?
11:46:12 <Yexo> Ammler: yes, but not about all those missing 0's in some header file (at least not currently)
11:46:44 <Ammler> /home/marcel/bin/ottd/airports.hg/src/airport_movement.h:33: warning: missing initializer for member ‘AirportMovingData::z’ <-- those?
11:47:21 <Yexo> (unless you want to provide a patch for that, then I'm interested :P)
11:47:45 <Ammler> /home/marcel/bin/ottd/airports.hg/src/newgrf_airport.cpp: In function ‘uint32 AirportTileGetVariable(const ResolverObject*, byte, byte, bool*)’:
11:50:07 <Yexo> Ammler: yes? what was the actual warning?
11:56:17 <Yexo> Ammler: I forgot to push some changesets, so that line number is way off
11:59:07 <dasy2k1> anyone want a multiplayer where you cant get millions immidiatly by using aircraft?
12:00:08 <dihedral> dasy2k1, most people here dont play that much
12:00:15 <Zuu> dasy2k1: That is easy, just set maximum number of aircrafts to zero.
12:00:29 <dihedral> and most people here would start their own server (and are capable of that) if they wanted something new
12:00:41 <dihedral> and if you want a server, just start one, but dont ask people here to join it!
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12:01:49 <dasy2k1> that was the firts and only plug its getting
12:03:26 <Ammler> dasy2k1: how would you do it?
12:03:38 <Zuu> dasy2k1: Or you create a GRF that makes airplanes dam expansive.
12:03:53 <Ammler> Yexo: is the grf from your userspace the most current one?
12:04:04 <Yexo> I'll upload a newer one shortly
12:04:06 <Ammler> it is awesome, but has some glitchy movements
12:04:20 <dasy2k1> i think cheap slow aircraft are better
12:04:32 <dasy2k1> with very high running costs and low capacity
12:06:02 <Ammler> Yexo: rotating isn't supported yet?
12:06:35 <Yexo> Ammler: it is, try the little buttons under the list
12:06:59 <Yexo> but it needs to be more visible, this is just a quick hack to enable it from the gui
12:07:23 <Ammler> they are greyed out here.
12:07:33 <Yexo> there are no rotations for the default airports
12:08:00 <Ammler> /home/marcel/bin/ottd/airports.hg/src/newgrf_airport.h:65: static const AirportSpec* AirportSpec::Get(byte): Assertion `airport_type < (sizeof(AirportSpec::array) / sizeof(AirportSpec::array[0]))' failed.
12:08:27 <Ammler> don't ask, how to reproduce :P
12:08:48 <Ammler> just tried to click those buttons :-)
12:08:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17451 /trunk/src/depot.cpp: -Fix (r17442): loading of TTO/TTD savegames failed
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12:10:13 <Yexo> but you can't click those buttons, they're greyed out
12:10:52 <Rubidium> he probably clicked somewhere near the buttons and not on them
12:11:51 <Yexo> if he didn't click on the button no OnClick should be fired to the window
12:11:58 <Yexo> at least not for that widget
12:13:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17452 /trunk/src/os/windows/crashlog_win.cpp: -Fix (r17450): emergency savegames weren't rejected by the crash logger anymore
12:14:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17453 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: crash logger for all Unixy OSes; should work for all, but I don't have all exotic machines so it might break compilation on the more exotic configurations
12:15:35 <Ammler> Yexo: I can for the test airport, but that one seems not to have a statemachine or how you call that.
12:15:53 <Ammler> but miniairport doesn't allow me.
12:16:05 <Yexo> oh, then you have a real old version
12:16:16 * Yexo has 4 rotations now for the mini airport
12:16:24 <Ammler> downloaded from your userspace
12:16:36 <Yexo> I'm currently in a fight with nforenum
12:16:42 <Yexo> after that I'll upload a new version
12:17:26 * planetmaker gives Yexo a few escape sequences in order to allow a safe retreat - just in case of doubt. And a few back slashes for a good forward defence.
12:18:47 <Yexo> bah, just looking at the wrong file
12:18:51 <Ammler> he, it is funny, sometimes, the plan go nicely to the middle of the runaway.
12:19:19 <Ammler> sometimes, they accelerate way too far left of it and correct right before takeoff
12:20:02 * planetmaker guesses that Ammler gets paid by the number of IRC lines ;-)
12:20:10 <planetmaker> statistics might even support that view :-P
12:20:26 * planetmaker goes into hiding again.
12:20:37 <Ammler> yeah, that is why I produce my spelling errors, I could write right right away :-P
12:21:31 <Rubidium> no gram are miss steaks?
12:22:05 <planetmaker> sounds like nice ones ;-)
12:25:49 <Ammler> nothing to do with airports :-)
12:26:17 <Ammler> if you click on a station, then you add a grf, the list is updated, but you aren't able to click them.
12:27:53 <Zuu> Yexo: Seams you have got cought at the forums now. You should have hidden in #openttd.noai where all secrent development seams to take place. ;-)
12:29:28 <Yexo> the reason I haven't posted at the forums yet is not to keep it secret, but to avoid stupid questions from users who have no idea what they are talking about
12:30:07 <planetmaker> Sacro, there's stupid and there's stupid ;-)
12:30:15 <planetmaker> and then there's ignorant.
12:30:37 <Zuu> And then there is forumers
12:30:52 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Bjarni> as long as it doesn't happen every 5th minute
12:31:10 <planetmaker> long long time ago :-S
12:31:22 <Sacro> in a galaxy far far away
12:32:32 <dihedral> that sounds like Bjarni's home :-D
12:37:48 <Ammler> yexo, grf seems perfect now.
12:38:04 <Ammler> and not able to assert it again.
12:38:23 <Yexo> and I still haveno idea how that assert can be triggered
12:38:50 <Ammler> currently, foundations are very glitchy
12:39:22 <Ammler> and I need flat map for the whole airport, also if the "other half" isn't built.
12:39:23 <Yexo> I think maybe the ground tiles should be 1 pixels bigger
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12:39:56 <Yexo> <Ammler> and I need flat map for the whole airport, also if the "other half" isn't built. <- I haven't implemented the slope callback yet
12:40:18 <Yexo> on snow there are some very visible lines between the tiles
12:40:46 <Ammler> Yexo: oh, this is just nfo?
12:41:21 <planetmaker> I guess pika's sprites, OpenGFX sprites and modifications of those.
12:41:23 <Yexo> Ammler: partly, I have to implement support for that callback first in openttd
12:41:33 <Yexo> planetmaker: no, skidd13's sprites
12:42:08 <Rubidium> (i.e. the ones richk also used)
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12:42:56 <DJGummikuh> I just found the "content" command in my openttd 0.7.2 server
12:42:56 <planetmaker> they're not TTD sprites, but owned by skidd13? That's good :-)
12:43:14 <Ammler> I do hide (transparent) airport hangar with industries, not stations?
12:43:16 <DJGummikuh> now I downloaded "The World" height map with content select 266 ; content download
12:43:27 <DJGummikuh> now how the heck do I use that heightmap and where has it been downloaded to?
12:43:32 <Yexo> Ammler: yes, that's a bug
12:43:54 <Yexo> I reuse the industry code for drawing, haven't generalised it so it uses the correct bit
12:44:10 <Ammler> I guess, it is with bigger planes.
12:44:34 <Yexo> as far as I know there is no difference between small and big planes
12:44:53 <Yexo> but of course that's possible, which plane did you use?
12:45:25 <Ammler> oh, and thanks for making the grfs top of the list ;-)
12:45:47 <Yexo> I'll change that before making a forum topic, but for now it eases testing
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12:46:51 <Rubidium> DJGummikuh: you might need to restart OpenTTD before it finds them
12:46:54 <Ammler> it has also the glitch on take off, still.
12:47:05 <DJGummikuh> Rubidium: no I don't even know where to look for it on the system
12:47:33 <DJGummikuh> I'm on the server with a second console and I can't find any file in any writable folder for that user
12:47:45 <Yexo> ~/.openttd/content_download/heightmap/
12:48:42 <DJGummikuh> ah lol... my fault :( had a typo in my search string..Wrold >.<
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12:51:08 <DJGummikuh> haha wiki article about heightmaps has a chapter "Using heightmaps" which does unfortunately not tell me how to actually use it :(
12:51:46 <Ammler> Yexo: just silly, that the glitch is very randomly.
12:51:58 <Yexo> I'm not sure whether it's possible to use a heighmap on a dedicated server
12:52:16 <Yexo> you can always create a scenario out of it on your computer and use that on the server
12:54:43 <Ammler> plane have a nice waiting action
12:57:02 <Ammler> waiting code seems not roated right.
12:57:55 <Yexo> it is, it's just ugly (in all directions)
12:58:39 <Ammler> no, in the rotated airport
12:58:55 <Ammler> it does swap all the time, while waiting.
13:00:27 <dihedral> that in fact would make more sense :-)
13:01:55 <dihedral> scn rotation list would be a nice idea :-P
13:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the airports are unrealistic anyway. a holding pattern does not really circle around the airport
13:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but rather along the extension of the runway
13:02:52 <dihedral> holding patterns mostly circle over towns, in case the planes run out of fuel
13:04:49 <planetmaker> yeah "Lucky that they didn't have fuel anymore when they crashed. Or it would even have given a big explosion" :-P
13:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause> a plane is approaching the runway, is told to enter a waiting pattern. it then makes a 180° turn (typically right turn, 1 minute), flies straight for one minute, makes another 180° turn (1 minute) and flies straight towards the runway again (1 minute)
13:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> holding pattern lasts 4 minutes
13:05:43 <planetmaker> you got reference for that, Eddi|zuHause ?
13:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i think celestar said that
13:06:07 <planetmaker> what does he know? ;-)
13:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, during this holding pattern, the plane does not get anywhere near the airport
13:08:46 <planetmaker> define near in terms of a minimum speed of >100km/h
13:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> (what would it do there anyway? it would only interfere with starting and landing airplanes)
13:09:33 <planetmaker> well. There are well-defined routes in the control zones for each air port.
13:10:28 <planetmaker> Also after take-off you'll have to go to the announced exit point and only then call the tower that you're leaving their control zone
13:10:40 <Rubidium> in case of near miss at least some of the paint must've been scraped of at least one of the planes
13:11:05 <Noldo> planetmaker: depends on the clearance you get when taking off
13:11:36 <planetmaker> Noldo, but show me any airport of more than hobby-size where it's different.
13:11:41 <planetmaker> at least in middle Europe
13:12:43 <planetmaker> Otherwise there'd not be much point of a control zone anyway, if the orders are "go as you like" ;-)
13:13:06 <Noldo> it's not 'go as you like' but it can be 'straight to the route'
13:13:09 <planetmaker> Tower needs at least know whom it needs to take care of.
13:13:29 <planetmaker> Noldo, but routes always go via one of the exit points ;-)
13:13:53 <planetmaker> That's part of the planning the pilots need doing prior to flight. And when they query for permission to taxi
13:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, a friend of mine lives in Bad Lauchstädt, which is around 40km away from the airport, and he frequently has planes circling around his house
13:15:10 <Noldo> there are queing points like that quite often
13:15:24 <Noldo> with defined patterns and all
13:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is pretty much exactly the extension of the runway
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13:33:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17454 /trunk/ (Makefile.in Makefile.lang.in Makefile.msvc Makefile.src.in): -Codechange: some alignment in Makefile*.in
13:39:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17455 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use sprite names instead of magic numbers in table/clear_land.h and change some names
13:47:33 <SmatZ> Makefile.msvc isn't Makefile*.in
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13:57:09 <SmatZ> what happened to the computer
13:57:24 <SmatZ> its LAN speed is ~100kB/s
13:58:19 <planetmaker> ze trojan sending spam ;-)
13:58:46 <z-MaTRiX> donthave time playing
13:58:47 <planetmaker> I've one trojan here which I could give you, if you need a test target :-P
13:58:49 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: possibly... but nobody could touch that :-/
13:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time when i had Windows ME, it was so infected that it caused collisions constantly
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14:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17456 /branches/0.7/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
14:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
14:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: When building roads is not allowed for town, then do not build the initial piece either [FS#3173] (r17444)
14:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Destruction of depots did not remove any vehicle lists related to the depot, causing windows pointing to deleted depots and (thus) crashes [FS#3180] (r17442)
14:10:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Economy recession would never end when economy is set to Steady while in recession (r17426)
14:10:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The index of orders loaded from old savegames was owerwritten with an unitialized value (r17419)
14:13:43 <fjb> Is it possible to find out if a game is currentliy in the state of economy recession?
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14:18:03 <DJGummikuh> is it possible to create a screenshot from a dedicated server's console?
14:18:32 <glx> did you try "screenshot" in the console?
14:20:13 <Rubidium> probably won't with with the null blitter
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14:26:56 <DJGummikuh> I did "screenshot big"
14:32:25 <DJGummikuh> but it immediately comes back and produces no output (and no file)
14:32:44 <Rubidium> 16:20 <@Rubidium> probably won't with with the null blitter
14:42:46 <dihedral> <DJGummikuh> is it possible to create a screenshot from a dedicated server's console? <- i read it as "a screenshot of the console" not "a screenshot of the map" :-P
14:43:06 <dihedral> under windows press "prt sc" :-P
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15:33:37 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound)
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16:52:00 <Zuu> Holy, what a spark that just came when I was to turn on the monitor..
16:54:32 <Zuu> Didn't feel anything though.. and the monitor seams to work okay. At least I do see my IRC window. :-)
16:57:50 <frosch123> you should fix the soldering joints
16:59:40 <Zuu> I think my kitchen needs a discharger to discharge people when you leave it.
17:00:12 <Zuu> Or better have the electricity fixed.
17:00:50 <Zuu> (I don't have my computer in the kitchen, but just came from there)
17:01:27 <Hexan> max_no_competitors = 2 <-- what does that setting mean?
17:03:10 <Hexan> and competitors is ai players right?
17:03:46 <frosch123> likely, else it would distinguish clients and companies
17:11:01 <Benny> Does anyone on here have the 0.1 version of Pikka's "General av8ion"?
17:11:43 <Zuu> Do you need it for a savegame?
17:12:14 <Zuu> frosch123: Including 0.1?
17:12:50 <Zuu> If it is on bananas OpenTTD will be allowed to download it even if it is not the latest in case it is needed to load a savegame.
17:12:54 <Ammler> benny wouldn't ask then ;-)
17:13:06 <Zuu> Or in other words if you have the hash id for it.
17:13:21 <Benny> Bananas version id only the latest.
17:13:24 <frosch123> Benny: load the savegame, go to newgrf window, click online content, download it, reload the savegame
17:13:53 <Benny> No savegame involved here. Just trying to join Tyconeez server.
17:14:07 <frosch123> well, then click the online content in the server lobby
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17:14:53 <Benny> Hmm.. May be a weird version that is loaded on the server then.
17:16:01 <frosch123> for me it is a valid 0.1, and i have it from bananas
17:18:06 <Zuu> For me the general av8ion does not show up in the content downloading from the mulptiplayer list.
17:18:26 <Zuu> Only the av8 and av8 extra set.
17:18:33 <Ammler> av8ion is just a addon, with old planes, afaik.
17:18:59 <frosch123> Zuu: maybe it is again some bug with dependencies and masking older version
17:19:22 <Ammler> "General av8ion v0.1" <-- is there
17:19:35 <frosch123> Ammler: maybe only if you already have it
17:20:04 <Ammler> where is the suse packer?
17:20:14 <Ammler> 0.7.2 not available there?
17:20:27 <Ammler> ususally it needs around 2 hours.
17:21:00 <Benny> Um.. wtf.. I can't download anything from Bananas it seems.. oO
17:21:41 <Ammler> I just updated our server with banans content
17:21:48 <Zuu> I could download some other stuff from bananas that I didn't have for that Tycoonz server
17:21:52 <frosch123> Benny: for me it works, av8ion 0.1 shows up, even when i remove it
17:23:15 <Zuu> Hmm, I seams to have general av8ion 0.1 installed already.
17:23:21 <Benny> I restarted OpenTTD and VOILA! It is all here!
17:23:24 <PeterT> hi benny, did you figure out how to get into openttdcoop?
17:23:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17457 /trunk/config.lib: -Codechange: convert icc version to number so it can be compared more easily
17:23:44 <Zuu> It is some other grfs of that server that is not on bananas and not in #/openttdcoop grfpack.
17:23:59 <PeterT> i was wondering why you didnt know !help
17:23:59 <Ammler> zuu, maybe the stations?
17:24:24 <Ammler> PeterT: you talk OT here ;-)
17:24:24 <Benny> Peter: I mixed up "/" and "!"
17:24:25 <Zuu> Yea, the CS stations set and a few other.
17:24:31 <Benny> I have got all of them except the "CZ towns" thingy.
17:25:21 <Ammler> universal fonts sounds like a static grf
17:25:30 <Ammler> dunno if that is needed for openttd, anyway.
17:26:33 <Ammler> it should be possible to skip static grfs <-- Feature Request :-)
17:28:08 <Ammler> frosch123: the dependencies are just something like a autodownload
17:28:28 <Ammler> you still need to load them to the config, I assume.
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17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17458 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by Gavin
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 28 changes by glx
17:45:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 16 changes by Roujin, dihedral
17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 77 changes by dnd_man
17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 3 changes by lorenzodv
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18:08:45 <PeterT> does it classify as a bug when I try to flatten the map via viewpoints, and openttd crashes? :)
18:10:25 <blathijs> PeterT: No, that's a feature specially to annoy you
18:10:47 <PeterT> bugs.openttd.org here I come!
18:10:48 <blathijs> PeterT: You took your time finding it, though
18:12:13 <SmatZ> PeterT: do you have clean OpenTTD?
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18:21:05 <SmatZ> gcc : #define __GXX_EXPERIMENTAL_CXX0X__ 1
18:21:10 <SmatZ> icc : #define __GXX_EXPERIMENTAL_CPP0X__ 1
18:21:25 <SmatZ> looks like icc's gcc emulation breaks sometimes
18:23:55 <Ammler> frosch123: almost Neuschweiz ;-)
18:24:42 <frosch123> ah, so you would try to enter it :p
18:25:21 <Ammler> well, I would very much like to hit the balls of this Affi ;-)
18:26:26 <Ammler> the sad part about it, there are some humans involved.
18:27:22 <Ammler> what would such a man do with a powerful country like german?
18:28:16 <frosch123> well, i only know the context that is writting on the page itself
18:28:40 <Ammler> Sorry, that doesn't belong here anyway. :'-(
18:31:49 <PeterT> what do you use to make the bin folder lighter?
18:32:14 <blathijs> White spray paint, usually
18:34:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17459 /trunk/projects/ (4 files): -Change: remove unused defines from MSVC project files
18:35:04 <blathijs> PeterT: I meant to say, lighter in what way?
18:35:06 <PeterT> where can i get the source for r17456
18:35:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17460 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Feature: allow building rail stations over existing rail without signals but will upgrade normal rail to electrified rail if necessary (based on patch by laurijh)
18:36:13 <blathijs> PeterT: svn co -r 17456 <svnurl>/trunk
18:36:13 <PeterT> ^ great patch right there ^
18:37:04 <PeterT> i dont like using msys for that
18:37:10 <PeterT> can i do the same with tortoise svn?
18:37:34 <Terkhen> PeterT: check my answers to your posts, I told you how to make binaries lighter some days ago
18:37:52 <PeterT> yes, you told me to take the .svn folder out, but thats only 34 kb
18:37:53 <blathijs> Yeah sure, but I can't tell you exactly how since I don't use GUI thingies for my SVN :-)
18:38:15 <blathijs> PeterT: You should take all .svn folders out, they're in avery subfolder as well
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18:38:32 <blathijs> alternatively, if you don't care about versioning, you could use the svn export command
18:38:39 <Rubidium> tralalalal... make bundle.... tralalalalal
18:38:57 <Rubidium> ofcourse for MSVC users that's too hard
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18:42:32 <PeterT> i figured it out in tortoise
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18:46:00 <Terkhen> yes, make bundle and how to use it on windows was suggested in the same thread
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19:12:05 <PeterT> Rubidium: was that the first actual 'feature' added in the 0.7 series since 0.7.0?
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19:14:29 <Terkhen> PeterT: check the revision log
19:15:00 <Xaroth> I think Rubidium has more to do than to check something for you that you can check yourself, PeterT...
19:15:14 <PeterT> i thought he would just know
19:18:50 <frosch123> there is even a wiki page about such "user stuff"
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19:28:56 <frosch123> though you could of course just enter it into the wiki search
19:29:40 <frosch123> in fact, you can just type the question directly into the searchfield with dozens of typos and it will still find it
19:30:00 <frosch123> not to say, it is quite hard not to find it
19:31:17 <frosch123> even more, the topmost hit for the question does not even contain "ottd", but only "openttd"
19:33:15 <Rubidium> why is there a tendency for getting dumber and dumber/more ignorant people in here? We ought to get a communication protocol that is too hard for dumb/ignorant people to join.
19:34:23 <Xaroth> Rubidium: one might think that using an 'old' protocol would deter those people, but alas.
19:37:18 <Prof_Frink> Ehovqvhz: Frr! Vg jbexf!
19:40:26 * Terkhen suggests creating a detailed tutorial about how to get here and stick it in the forums, that way nobody will read it
19:40:51 <Rubidium> Lrf, V unir gb nterr gung hfvat n plcure yvxr ebg urycf
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20:02:01 * SmatZ wonder how can you fail in your mother tongue this way
20:02:24 <SmatZ> you're x your, it's x its
20:02:53 <SmatZ> PeterT: you don't have crash.sav?
20:03:09 <SmatZ> it should be in the same directory as crash.log (afaik)
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20:05:48 <SmatZ> not even empty crash.sav ?
20:07:30 <dihedral> if i were a crash.sav..... where would i hide
20:07:56 <dihedral> people who end sentences with three dots are ...
20:07:58 <Rubidium> where openttd.cfg is ofcourse
20:07:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17461 /trunk/src/misc/blob.hpp: -Document: that a certain compiler warning when compiled without asserts in gcc 4.4+ isn't our fault but GCC's. Includes a reference to the appropriate GCC bug report
20:10:32 <Zuu> "can someone direct me to the site where all the binaries are stored its something like binaries.openttd.org"
20:10:59 <Zuu> OMG you just wrote the address..
20:11:25 <Terkhen> i was speechless when i read that post
20:11:35 <Zuu> Too bad I responded already..
20:11:59 <KenjiE20> I went and played some BF2 instead
20:12:10 <Terkhen> and I went back to coding :D
20:12:27 <Zuu> I went to tt-forums beacuse I didn't want to read my email.
20:12:42 <KenjiE20> incidently 1974MB for a patch is a serious PITA
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20:12:44 <Prof_Frink> dihedral: Ellipseptic?
20:15:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17462 /trunk/config.lib: -Cleanup: remove unused variables
20:30:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17463 /trunk/src/os/unix/crashlog_unix.cpp: -Change (r17453): Retrigger the abort signal after writing the crashlog, so the next one can catch it again (e.g. to write a core dump).
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21:01:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17464 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: use C++0x mode when compiling with gcc >= 4.3 or icc >= 11.0
21:02:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17465 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Codechange: use builtin static_assert() for assert_compile() if available
21:03:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17466 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Feature: reconnect console command (based on patch of bilbo)
21:04:10 <PeterT> thanks rubidium, you're on a roll today :)
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21:28:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17467 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Change: show the client id in join messages at the server (patch by dihedral)
21:28:53 <PeterT> oh, only at the server?
21:29:21 <SmatZ> what would it be good for for clients?
21:29:57 <SmatZ> you can do rcon clients easily
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21:31:03 <PeterT> it sounds great especially for when a "Player" joins
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21:31:36 <SmatZ> you don't even need to rcon
21:31:41 <SmatZ> just "clients" as client
21:33:27 <PeterT> can you make a feature that dis allows anybody named "Player" from joining
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21:40:09 <PeterT> why is the rcon GUI listed under WWOTTDGD3 development roadmap, but doesnt appear on tt-forums?
21:45:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17468 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r17464): mingw compilation was broken
21:48:03 <planetmaker> [23:40] <PeterT> why is the rcon GUI listed under WWOTTDGD3 development roadmap, but doesnt appear on tt-forums? <-- there's a difference between patch and hack
21:48:40 <PeterT> so, how do i get rcon gui?
21:48:50 <PeterT> im sure theres something im missing
21:49:00 <Rubidium> there's also: 'idea' and 'implementation'
21:49:58 <Rubidium> basically meaning that if it's just an idea there isn't much use for it on the forum
21:50:02 <planetmaker> and with that good night. I drank wayyy too much.
21:50:43 <SmatZ> good night, planetmaker ;)
21:51:03 <PeterT> Rubidium, I thought they had made the patch, but forgot to add a link.
21:56:28 <Rubidium> hmm, timestamps... how useful is that in real-world consoles?
21:57:13 <Xaroth> depends, timestamps are quite useful for logs when you're tracking down things
22:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, sometimes i wish my consoles were timestamped
22:01:08 <PeterT> i asked for timestamped consoles about 4 months ago
22:01:18 <PeterT> and yexo said it would be implemented very soon
22:01:48 <R0b0t1> I'm one of those ancient turtles. Soon is 25 years. :)
22:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you're a Vulkanette?
22:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> one part galapagos turtle
22:03:10 <Yexo> <PeterT> and yexo said it would be implemented very soon <- somehow I doubt I said that
22:03:29 <PeterT> along the lines of "we can do that"
22:03:39 <Eddi|zuHause> at most he said something like "it should be easy to implement"
22:03:42 <PeterT> PeterT| Great! How long?
22:04:21 <Yexo> for me "can" != "will", and "it should be easy to implement" != "I am going to implement it"
22:04:40 <KenjiE20> perhaps looking up the definition of 'can' would be good :)
22:05:33 <SmatZ> can? it's made of some metal, with meal inside
22:07:02 <SmatZ> "Child Abuse and Neglect" scary
22:09:06 <SmatZ> "Prior to its hostile takeover," :-p
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22:13:09 <PeterT> what the "!" between the equals sign?
22:13:32 <Terkhen> can != will means: "can is not the same as will"
22:14:35 <Terkhen> I can jump from a cliff, but I won't :P
22:16:48 <Terkhen> I can prove it, but I won't
22:17:25 <PeterT> prove that you can prove it
22:19:11 <Rubidium> Terkhen: maybe better push whoever you're talking to off the cliff, much better for your own health and still allows you to prove the point
22:20:00 <Terkhen> and it's way funnier than induction
22:20:23 <R0b0t1> If you pushed a clone of yourself off a cliff, would it be homicide, suicide, or just another obscene clone fall.
22:21:47 <SmatZ> certainly it would be obscene
22:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> R0b0t1: how different should a clone and a twin be treated?
22:25:44 <R0b0t1> Twins are usually different.
22:25:50 <R0b0t1> Clone would be exactly the same
22:30:18 <Yexo> hmm, so pushing a clone of yourself off a cliff would be suicide, after all, since it's eactly the same, it'll also push you off the cliff
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22:33:08 <Terkhen> if you clone someone you hate and push the clone off a clif, it is homicide if the original is still alive?
22:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> R0b0t1: i very much doubt that a clone will be the same
22:57:53 <Ammler> hmm, suse is up2date again, the usual builder was absent :-)
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