IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-07-29
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07:18:09 <planetmaker> morning from here, too
07:23:30 <dihedral> i want to go home....
07:23:34 <dihedral> i want to fly my plane....
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07:55:46 <planetmaker> All owned by a friend of mine (or were owned)
07:59:07 <dihedral> i have a glider with electronic motor
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08:41:21 <TrueBrain> bugs in DOSBox .. how lovely :(
08:41:42 <TrueBrain> takes me ages to figure that out :p
08:43:13 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Bugs that make Dune work by accident, then?
08:43:19 <TrueBrain> blathijs: wish that was true :(
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08:43:24 <TrueBrain> they just read too much data from the file in the memory
08:43:29 <TrueBrain> so my compare is off
08:43:34 <TrueBrain> simply because they ignore a header field
08:43:42 <blathijs> bugs in the debug output then?
08:43:51 <TrueBrain> no, I do a memroy compare
08:43:55 <TrueBrain> and I detect differences
08:44:01 <TrueBrain> which turn out to be just noise
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09:14:07 <TrueBrain> memory compare -> nothing
09:14:11 <TrueBrain> CPU instruction compare -> nothing
09:14:14 <TrueBrain> WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU :'(
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11:44:18 <planetmaker> ludituri te salutant ;-)
11:48:29 <LuciusMare> this is one of the weirdest greetings i have ever seen
11:48:58 <DorpsGek> The fact we do greet you?
11:50:30 <LuciusMare> but it is usually hello,hi or welcome
11:50:46 <LuciusMare> not ave Lucius or ludituri te salutant _
11:53:46 <Rubidium> for what it's worth, the first Latin story (when somewhat learning Latin) was about Lucius and Lucia
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11:54:50 <TrueBrain> Marcus and Cornelia for me :)
11:55:04 <planetmaker> I simply happen to know "my Asterix" and have sufficient memories to the Latin lessons to abstract a bit from it ;-)
11:55:50 <TrueBrain> @kick el[cube] can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
11:55:50 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: el is not in #openttd.
11:55:57 <TrueBrain> @kick "el[cube]" can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
11:55:57 *** el[cube] was kicked by DorpsGek (can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day))
11:56:03 <TrueBrain> @kick eleusis can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
11:56:03 *** eleusis was kicked by DorpsGek (can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day))
11:57:09 <TrueBrain> I consider this a flaw in the Internet
11:57:58 <Rubidium> never knew that Suske & Wiske (Spike & Suzy/Willy & Wanda/Bob & Bobette for the English who can't find a consistent translation) is Lucius & Lucia in the Latin editions
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12:14:04 <TrueBrain> I guess 'no' was the correct answer
12:14:13 <TrueBrain> @kban 3600 "el[cube]" can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
12:14:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: 3600 is not in #openttd.
12:14:17 <TrueBrain> @kban "el[cube]" 3600 can I kindly ask you to come back when your connection is more stable? (12+ reconnects in the last day)
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12:14:36 <TrueBrain> @ban "~eleusis@203-59-90-174.dyn.iinet.net.au" 3600
12:14:41 <TrueBrain> DorpsGek: you suck!
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12:18:28 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you know that banning eleusis based on IP isn't going to help?
12:22:37 <welshdragon> what about just banning dyn.iinet.net.au?
12:22:57 <LuciusMare> what about just getting a bot that kicks anyone with nick elesius?
12:23:17 <Rubidium> LuciusMare: how does that solve the issue of repeated rejoins?
12:23:36 <LuciusMare> i think that he would give up after a while
12:24:05 <Rubidium> LuciusMare: unlikely because his client does the rejoins, not the person 'controlling' it
12:24:21 <welshdragon> so my guess is that he isn't aware of the problems
12:24:57 * LuciusMare is too lazy to go down the stairs and borrow a TTD CD from his sister to copy the files needed
12:25:09 <LuciusMare> i guess it is illegal to upload it
12:25:13 <dihedral> <Rubidium> for what it's worth, the first Latin story (when somewhat learning Latin) was about Lucius and Lucia <- and Domina :-P
12:25:23 <LuciusMare> else it would be already in the installation package
12:25:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah,I noticed
12:25:43 <Rubidium> it might even be illegal to download it in your country
12:26:02 * LuciusMare slowly gets up to get the cd
12:26:33 <welshdragon> LuciusMare: file sharing from her pc!
12:34:51 <LuciusMare> why when i want to build a railway station it tells me only what it accepts,not what it gives to me?
12:37:57 <SirSquidness> 22:22 < welshdragon> what about just banning dyn.iinet.net.au <-- Don't do that - I was thinking of switching to that ISP! (oh wait, I'm supposed to be arguing against, not for that... :P )
12:38:53 <Rubidium> SirSquidness: with the amount of IP changes of eluesis I would think twice, unless you want all your download connections to be trashed every few minutes
12:39:39 <SirSquidness> I would imagine that it's an issue with his ADSL line, not the ISP
12:41:32 <Rubidium> getting a new IP every so often just sucks
12:42:22 <Rubidium> regardless of whether your actual connection sucks or not
12:46:34 <SirSquidness> He'll be getting a new IP every time his connection resets - the worst I've seen in Australia is once every 24 hours your connection is reset to give you a new IP.
12:47:32 <Rubidium> SirSquidness: yes, and I'm still wondering what the use-case is for that besides annoying your customers and the people your customers deal with
12:47:53 <Rubidium> and causing extra network traffic due to aborted downloads
12:51:47 <TrueBrain> it is fine to give a new IP every 24h
12:51:50 <TrueBrain> but every reconnect ...
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12:51:58 <TrueBrain> I guess they overbooked their IPs ..
12:54:33 <LuciusMare> aw,goddamn,why i am slowly losing my money?i built a bus service between two towns,both <500 and i am not earning
12:55:57 <SirSquidness> Rubidium: home customers, generally speaking, don't care about their IP address. So by giving home customers a dynamic IP address, it adds another feature they can use to make people pay more for a static IP
12:56:18 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: really? You want your downloads to be cancelled at say... the time you can use it least?
12:56:33 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: my connection resets every 24h ... all downloads always survive :p
12:57:02 <SirSquidness> I'm supposed to be on a resets every 24 hours connection, but since I've had IRC idling 24/7, I've dropped out a handful of times in months
12:59:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: still, what does a forced disconnect do to the number of used IPs?
13:00:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, normal ISPs do like this: give out a DHCP with a N time leech. After N*2 times it expires
13:00:42 <TrueBrain> gives any sane person enough time to keep their IP over a lnog time
13:01:32 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but what does the FORCED DISCONNECT do to the number of used IPs?
13:01:52 <TrueBrain> forced a re-request of the leech .. some OSes are broken, you know
13:02:08 <Rubidium> that DHCP leases expire if not re-requested is something completely different from disconnecting people
13:02:29 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that'd basically mean the modem is broken
13:02:40 <TrueBrain> or the OS behind it
13:02:43 <TrueBrain> depends on how an ISP has its setup
13:02:55 <TrueBrain> take UPC in our country
13:03:00 <TrueBrain> the modem does nothing regarding IP
13:03:04 <TrueBrain> the first computer in the network does
13:04:23 <Rubidium> yay... 'winmodems' :)
13:04:42 <SirSquidness> that's bridged mode - makes single PC internet suport easier
13:04:50 <SirSquidness> 'cos the PPP is done on the PC
13:04:58 <SirSquidness> but then you rely on ICS for internet sharing
13:05:10 <Rubidium> and Microsoft for firewall!
13:05:54 <SirSquidness> what more could you want? :P
13:06:37 <Rubidium> enough money so I don't have to work
13:06:48 <Yrol> arnie as my personal moneymanager, SirSquidness
13:07:10 <SirSquidness> Rubidium: are you sure you dont want a few times that amount?
13:07:16 <Yrol> i never would have problems with my monmey anymore...as.. no money, no problems...
13:07:19 <SirSquidness> enough money so you don't have to work is a pretty small amount
13:08:40 <Rubidium> SirSquidness: and pay more tax?
13:09:02 <Rubidium> Yrol: you mean CA, USA Arnie, right?
13:09:27 <SirSquidness> who cares if you pay more tax? The fact you're paying more tax means that you're getting more overall
13:09:43 <SirSquidness> just your net profit is less for every dollar earned, the more you earn
13:09:45 <Yrol> why do you pay tax at all? isnt that against the law?
13:09:46 <Rubidium> there's nothing seriously wrong with that Arnie's money managing skills
13:09:58 <Rubidium> Yrol: I'm not in the USA
13:10:23 <Yrol> sorry, i meant SirSquidness, Rubidium :o)
13:11:12 <Yrol> Rubidium, well, then he had bad advisorsd and i want them for my money ;o)
13:11:53 <Rubidium> the major problem for Arnie is that the whole state has to agree with stuff. So they agree on buy/build stuff and reducing taxes, but disagree on having to raise taxes on anything
13:12:47 <Rubidium> as a result the state has to buy/build more stuff and 'acquire' less taxes. It's basically the democracy that's killing California, not Arnie and his advisors
13:13:18 <Yrol> thats... uhm... scratches head sucks
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13:16:44 <Rubidium> and this shows again, as always, that the Americans (at least a country/state level) are usually very narrow minded
13:17:46 <Yrol> hm, i guess, not so much more than any other country
13:18:12 * Belugas prefers to keep on shutting up
13:18:22 <SirSquidness> lol Belugas - you too, eh?
13:18:24 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas in the back of the room
13:18:25 <Yrol> as countries consist of people and people generally are narrowgauged
13:18:40 <Rubidium> what's the reason for guns: to prevent yourself from being harmed by shooting others
13:19:21 <Rubidium> that preventing doesn't quite work as the number of gun killings per capita are about the highest in the US
13:19:21 <Yrol> or to get rid of that nasty teacher who always gives you an E
13:19:40 <Belugas> SirSquidness: he is not talking ;)
13:19:43 <Rubidium> not to mention that the number of prisoners per capita are about the highest in the US
13:20:30 <Rubidium> so it should be the least criminal country, yet for some reason it isn't
13:20:58 <Yrol> sings quietly "california dreaming...."
13:21:16 <Belugas> David Bowie sang "I'm Afraid Of Americans"
13:21:53 <Belugas> Marilyn Manson sang "Beautiful People"
13:22:00 <Yrol> i sure would be, you try to retrieve the playball from your kid which it shot across the fence and end up with a shotgunwound in the hospital
13:22:03 <Belugas> hem.. not really related
13:22:52 <glx> just ring neighbour's bell and ask politely to get the ball back
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13:24:47 <SirSquidness> Yrol: I'd like to think that's an extreme case, and very much not the typical american
13:24:57 <Rubidium> although, maybe saying 'Americans' is a bit of an overgeneralisation; there are areas where they're less narrow minded
13:26:23 <Rubidium> I actually liked Boston and San Francisco. Didn't like LA and Phoenix at all. So maybe it has to do with the proximity to the southern border
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13:27:46 <Yrol> however... how do i manually apply a diff? the parts that get added i managed to do, but i dont get behind that "<<<<mine" / ">>>> theirs". is there somewhere a step by step tutorial on the forum? ( i use win32 and turtoiseSVN, but get weird errors, where it tries to merge such lines and that results in "??????" in the merged filedisplay. screenshot: http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8713/diffcomparison.png )
13:28:13 <glx> that's a conflict to solve
13:28:22 <glx> you need to understand the code to fix it
13:28:50 <Belugas> Vermount is a very pleasant place. maybe because it looks almost like canada
13:29:09 <Belugas> well... border of quebec and ontario...
13:29:20 <Belugas> the flags expected...
13:30:25 <Yrol> owie.. so i can totall forget the whole "apply some diffs then compile to get a working openttd with varius published ideas from people" thats... not good
13:31:37 <glx> it usually works well if the changes touch distinct parts of the code
13:32:07 <Yrol> on the other hand... what about my question? :o)
13:33:36 <Rubidium> Yrol: apply the patch to the revision the patch was made with, not something else
13:33:56 <Belugas> Yrol, it can be done, given that you understand the code from inside out, both trunk and patch(es)
13:34:22 <Yrol> (Rubidium) hm, but taht would mean, i cant merhe the diffs i have, if they are from different versions, right?
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13:35:08 <glx> apply first diff to the correct version, update to second diff version, apply second diff, ...
13:35:12 <Rubidium> Yrol: if you've got no programming skills that usually means that yes
13:35:51 <glx> but it's easier when you understand the code
13:39:01 <Azrael-> Does anybody here have a copy of the DirectX SDK header files (ie. the ones needed for OpenTTD to compile) that they'd be willing to upload?
13:39:11 <Azrael-> Or is there any way I can't get them apart from via Microsoft?
13:39:48 <valhallasw> why not get them from Microsoft?
13:39:56 <valhallasw> the files are theirs, after all
13:39:59 <Rubidium> what's the problem with getting them legally from Microsoft?
13:40:03 <Belugas> would it be indicated on the wiki?
13:40:20 <Belugas> ho... I kow.. his Windows is not genuine :)
13:40:29 <Rubidium> or rather, why download something illegally and for free if you can download them legally and for free
13:40:30 <Azrael-> Belugas, that's what WGA says
13:40:42 <Spoons> That, and/or he doesn't want to download 300mb of stuff for a few hunderd k of headers.
13:40:57 <Azrael-> I bought this computer in another country, and WGA complains that the product key 'is not valid for this region'.
13:41:18 <Yrol> and.. what exactly /do those "<<<mine/>>>>theirs"-tags? sure, they signal the diffprogram what to do with those lines, but.. what? in this ( the same example ) it seems, that a line is added "drawpixelinfo..." and does something to the bool line, im sure it can be done by hand, as it is just 3,4 lines, i just dont know, what the endresult should loojk like, knowing that, it would be easier i think, to handle the other conflicts.
13:41:19 <Azrael-> Also, Spoons raises a good point. :)
13:41:53 <Rubidium> Azrael-: WGA? Why is it doing that? I can just download it and I'm sure I don't have Windows (legally) installed on my machine
13:42:16 <Azrael-> You mean microsoft.com doesn't ask for validation
13:42:41 <Rubidium> like e.g. the link in the wiki
13:43:00 <Azrael-> Nope, I'll go look in the wiki now.
13:49:15 <glx> not all downloads require validation
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13:50:32 <Azrael-> meh, I managed to find the headers on their own
13:50:36 <Azrael-> that seems to be enough
13:50:50 <Azrael-> now i just have to get the libpng headers whilst my internet dies
13:50:57 <glx> be sure it's not more recent than august 2007
13:51:15 <glx> and follow the wiki for libpng
13:51:28 <glx> we provide an openttd-useful package
13:51:45 <Rubidium> glx: following links on the wiki is for sissy-man
13:53:49 <Azrael-> Bah, I guess I'll just stick with 0.7.1.
13:53:58 <Azrael-> 469MB? I'd rather play Unreal Tournament.
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14:21:17 <OwenS> Quick question: Is there a way to disable the distance limit from edge of map for refineies?
14:21:59 <Rubidium> make the map at most 64 tiles wide or long
14:22:12 <Rubidium> or make a NewGRF that overrides the placing rules for refineries
14:22:31 <OwenS> It doesn't really make sense on maps with no coast anyway :p
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17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16982 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 10 changes by arnaullv
17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by Yexo
17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 4 changes by glx
17:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker
17:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf
17:46:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r16977 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp:
17:46:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix(r1772)[FS#3059]: make it so that failing to generate many random towns in scenario editor returns a failing message.
17:46:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Fix by therken
17:46:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Doxygen comments by me
17:46:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16973 /trunk/src/lang/ (esperanto.txt german.txt simplified_chinese.txt):
17:46:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 2 changes by Gavin
17:46:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 20 changes by tradukanto
17:46:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 3 changes by Roujin
17:46:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16974 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: do simple station build checks and 'decode' p1/p2 first
17:46:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16975 /trunk/projects/ (generate generate.vbs langs_vs80.vcproj langs_vs90.vcproj): -Change [MSVC]: Make all language files depend on english.txt
17:47:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16976 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove WaypointID and MAX_LENGTH constants in favour of their Station variants
17:47:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r16978 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix(r16977): tab indentation instead of space indentation at beginning of a line, please
17:47:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r16979 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange[FS#3066]: Add notion of Ctrl_Click in the tooltip for Loan borrow/repay buttons (planetmaker)
17:47:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16981 /trunk/src/network/ (network_gamelist.cpp network_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3062]: the last manually added server would not be saved
17:48:28 <planetmaker> I wondered already where it's commit news were
17:48:33 <Belugas> hilighted for NOTHING!
17:49:01 <planetmaker> nah, it's telling you "good job" ;-)
17:49:24 <Belugas> makerplanet, down upside up is sentence your
17:51:05 <planetmaker> That sounds like a truely failed automatic translation... :-)
17:51:22 <frosch123> yup, the up is superfluous
17:52:03 <Belugas> try to come UP with something as twisted as that in a short time :P
17:53:53 * Sacro hunts for a slic 2.1 patched bios
18:10:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r16980 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r16976): source.list and project files were not updated.
18:18:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... which idiot classified ".msi" files as "MS-Word-Document" and associated it with openoffice?
18:19:58 <Rubidium> maybe openoffice has support for trunest nesting data?
18:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i just opened that page ;)
18:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you dutch people are crazy: "new trend-sport: smart-throwing. people in amsterdam are pushing small cars that can be moved by two people into the channels"
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18:41:41 <Belugas> mmh... the brand new game that hits the whole word : deconnect from #openttd
18:41:54 <Belugas> the fun you get from getting in and out!
18:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL not found" ... damn, where do i get that from...
18:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what? MSVC version != MFC version...
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18:45:35 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: just do a google of MFCxx.dll where xx is a MSVC++ version number without the . and then for versions of MSVC++ that don't exist
18:45:56 <Rubidium> e.g. you won't find MFC41.dll (there wasn't a MSVC++ 4.1)
18:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what MSVC versions exist
18:47:07 <Rubidium> hmm... okay, you're right... it didn't always follow MSVC's version numbering
18:47:27 <Rubidium> but it did it pretty close since 4.0
18:47:44 <Rubidium> MFC42.dll is part of Win98 FE
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18:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently i have a manual for MFC 2.0
18:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the question is, why does a program depend on it and not provide it on the installation medium?
18:52:18 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: because it is a system library
18:52:33 <Rubidium> OpenTTD depends on libc, yet it doesn't provide it with the installers
18:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> then why does wine not provide a replacement for it? :p
18:53:08 <Rubidium> I'm not sure what application you're talking about, but I reckon the minimal requirements are Windows 98 or higher
18:53:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: because they haven't implemented it yet, probably because it's not used very often and acquiring the .dll is fairly easy
19:01:00 <OwenS> MFC isn't a system library but lots of software assumed it was cause Win98 tools used it
19:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there must be installation disks that came with that MSVC manual... i wonder where they are...
19:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't suppose microsoft offers cheap upgrade licenses?
19:03:27 <Xaroth> -20:30:19- [Eddi|zuHause]: you dutch people are crazy: "new trend-sport: smart-throwing. people in amsterdam are pushing small cars that can be moved by two people into the channels" << old news tbh, it's been done for years now :/
19:07:18 <OwenS> Who buys a Smart to throw it in a river?
19:07:38 <OwenS> Or do they just throw other people's in? :p
19:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it's getting more weird... the box says "MSVC Version 1.0 Standard Edition", the manual talks about "Changes in Version 2.0" and the disks i found say "Version 3.0 Professional Edition"
19:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: clearly they throw other people's cars
19:08:38 <OwenS> Then it's not really a sport :p
19:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> err:msi:ITERATE_Actions Execution halted, action L"InstallFinalize" returned 1627 <- that does not sound good
19:09:26 <Eddi|zuHause> may be time i consult appdb
19:09:31 <OwenS> At the least MSI should do a full rollback?
19:26:38 <frosch123> "*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***" <- oh noes :o
19:27:27 <Belugas> we're in a democracy now?
19:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... i can't even get that far anymore
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19:40:14 <frosch123> Belugas: luckily only in the stuff eddi posted :)
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19:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i love deterministic programs...
19:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it crashes at a different place every time...
19:53:12 <Belugas> PeterT, you're really ennoying
19:53:34 <Belugas> fix that damned connection, for the love of... <whatever>
19:53:46 <Rubidium> Belugas: then put him on your ignore list... it's so simple
19:54:16 <Belugas> fix xchat or change client
19:54:45 <Belugas> and send me a pm when you're done, i'm putting you on my ignore list, as Rubidium suggested
19:56:13 <welshdragon> Rubidium: you should have done that with the person you banned earlier
19:56:44 <frosch123> welshdragon: r != t
19:58:03 * welshdragon cannor remember, so whatever
19:58:18 <PeterT> Belugas, what free IRC clients are there (that are good)
19:59:38 <PeterT> what free irc clients are there, that are good?
20:00:06 <welshdragon> PeterT: irssi (terminal based)
20:05:33 <Patrick> probably not what you're looking for though
20:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it wants me to insert the next cd
20:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> but i can't eject the cd, because the installer is still running
20:07:47 <Rubidium> hydrairc sucks... it has very annoying quit messages
20:08:05 <KenjiE20> (well what Rubidium said)
20:08:08 <Yexo> why should I know? this is #openttd, not #xchat
20:08:31 <KenjiE20> hydra also has sucky utf8
20:08:33 <Yexo> you haven't even told us how it was broken
20:09:04 <Chruker> Is utf8 even important in english channels?
20:09:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and what the hell is the meaning of "umount -f"? that never did anything better than just umount for me...
20:09:45 <Rubidium> if people want to paste error messages... certainly
20:09:56 <KenjiE20> Chruker: even the £ is broken
20:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Chruker: people tried to write russian in iso-encoding here
20:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> which of course comes out at the other end as âêíù
20:11:47 <PeterT> im guessing BitchX isn't a good client to join with?
20:12:05 <OwenS> Depends on your terminal language :p
20:12:38 <PeterT> is there a real difference between "free software" and "freeware"?
20:13:08 <Prof_Frink> If you mean Free Software as opposed to free software.
20:13:29 <Prof_Frink> The "Free" doesn't refer to price.
20:13:47 <PeterT> I guess that makes a difference
20:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: is there a difference between "free beer" (as in "freeware") and "free beer including instructions how to build a free brewery" (as in "Free Software")
20:14:22 <Tefad> Free means you can do with it as you please.. edit it, hack it.. whatever.. typically you have the source code
20:14:25 <Prof_Frink> If you love the freedom, then yes.
20:14:36 <Prof_Frink> If you hate freedom, then no. Do you hate freedom?
20:16:22 <Rubidium> Chruker: then why are you here?
20:16:47 <Yexo> "free beer including instructions how to build a free brewery" <- the beer does not have to be free, and building the brewery may cost still cost you for it to be free (as in, do whatever you want with it)
20:18:31 <Prof_Frink> PeterT: It makes much more sense in french.
20:19:31 <PeterT> Free Software = $0 Freeware = Hackmeplease
20:19:46 <Yexo> PeterT: it's exactly the other way around
20:22:17 <Prof_Frink> If you don't mind angering rms' beard, Free Software = Open Source ;)
20:23:27 <PeterT> damn it, the only nice looking IRC client (free) is only for mac
20:25:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16983 /trunk/src/misc/ (blob.hpp dbg_helpers.cpp): -Change: work around a bogus GCC 4.4+ warning that can't be disabled
20:26:28 <Yexo> [22:07] <Yexo> you haven't even told us how it was broken
20:26:51 <PeterT> well, i will write down the error message next time
20:26:57 <PeterT> it just dies, from time to time
20:27:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r16984 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: Document and assertify (Start|End)SpriteCombine.
20:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i get a program to drop a handler from /proc/<pid>/fd?
20:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that kinda defeats the point of keeping the process running :p
20:33:49 <Rubidium> well, an application missing a fd is quite an exception, especially as another open gives it back that same fd and one of them closes it
20:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is, setup.exe wants me to switch cds, but wineserver still has the file open, so i can't release the drive
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20:35:30 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: connect your gdb to the wineserver and call close() on the fd.
20:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's the magic incantation to call close()?
20:39:35 <_ln> "call close(42)" .. of course, you'd need to find out the fd value first.
20:40:20 <PeterT> this is the error message: Filename encoding is corrupt
20:40:34 <Yexo> now go to google and search for that error message
20:41:00 <PeterT> did that before i entered irc
20:41:15 <PeterT> its because of the crack
20:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that seemed to do something, not sure if it helped yet ;)
20:42:08 <Yexo> PeterT: then why are you using a crack?
20:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, that really worked ;)
20:42:33 <PeterT> Yexo: Because, I don't think xChat is worth paying 30 USD for
20:43:00 <Yexo> XChat is opensource, just the dev team wants you to believe you have to pay for the windows binaries
20:43:11 <Yexo> there are other people providing legal win32 binaries that work
20:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i hereby want to specifically emphasise that _ln made a helpful remark ;)
20:43:18 <Prof_Frink> Does Silverex still exist?
20:44:34 <Yexo> in fact, I have that very same build running here very stable
20:45:00 <Yexo> last time it crashed was a few months ago due to someone typing invalid characters, but I had an old version running, and updating fixed the problem
20:45:12 <PeterT> you have XChat, freee?
20:45:22 <Yexo> see my link a few lines above, yes
20:46:39 <Prof_Frink> Because it's Free.
20:47:18 <Prof_Frink> xchat on windows is Free, but not free, which means that other people can make a free version.
20:48:15 <Yexo> it's not completely Free, some of there windows modifications are closed source
20:49:35 * Xaroth drools over new eve trailer
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20:52:29 <KenjiE20> also a good showcase for just how huge EVE is
20:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i really should log the urls to the youtube-files i download...
20:53:10 * KenjiE20 watches the trail again, seeing as it's still open
20:57:01 <KenjiE20> bah my cache expired
20:57:17 * KenjiE20 runs it through flashgot instead
20:59:20 <Xaroth> KenjiE20: sounds like carebearing :P
20:59:59 <KenjiE20> although my corp is in the process of lining up an alliance with WH mining prospects
21:00:16 <Xaroth> wormholes are overrated
21:00:23 <KenjiE20> possibly based out of nulsec
21:01:12 <KenjiE20> I don't mind carebaring anyway, I'm hovering around the point where I can make enough from L4s to pay for PLEXs now :)
21:01:38 <Xaroth> heh, commie corp so no personal funds
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21:02:01 <KenjiE20> hehe, think ours is 0% tax :p
21:02:15 <Xaroth> ours is as well, but.. no personal funds/items/whatever
21:02:16 <KenjiE20> or something equally rediculous
21:03:09 <Xaroth> corp supplies us with everything we need anyhow, so i don't really need personal stuff
21:03:29 * KenjiE20 has aprox ~700 personal items in Rens
21:03:56 <KenjiE20> for no utter apparent reason
21:04:20 <Xaroth> I have various bits of useless junk scattered across eve from when i was flying solo
21:04:23 <KenjiE20> and corpse, but that's amusing
21:04:25 <Xaroth> but nothing worth anything.
21:04:43 <Xaroth> heh, i had like 600+ corpses in our previous outpost
21:05:10 <planetmaker> ciao Belugas and good night from here to all
21:05:44 <PeterT> yay, the yChat crashes when i change the font
21:06:33 <Xaroth> KenjiE20: does the name "Tornsoul" ring a bell?
21:06:56 <KenjiE20> ermmmm.... don't think so
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21:12:36 <Xaroth> KenjiE20: TS is the corp founder i'm in.. and somewhere high in the top 10 of influential people of eve :P
21:13:10 <KenjiE20> ahhh, while I follow the nulsec politics, I'm not so keyed up on people :)
21:13:51 <Xaroth> doubt you been playing for that long then :P
21:14:08 <KenjiE20> 2 and a half yrs and counting :p
21:14:35 <Xaroth> never heard of Fountain Alliance?
21:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause> for the record, the proper way to install mfc42.dll is "winetricks vcrun6"
21:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the file i found via google was somehow bad, it created "Call from 0x7bc48b9 to unimplemented function MFC42.DLL.6467" error
21:16:04 <KenjiE20> I believe I remember seeing them in action in the tourney a couple back
21:16:58 <Xaroth> FA died a long time ago, they merged with NORAD into RISE
21:17:11 <Xaroth> FA was basically single-handedly kicking BOB's ass in Fountain
21:17:41 <KenjiE20> ah, RISE I do remember
21:17:46 <Xaroth> Tornsoul was the 'face' behind FA.. until the merge :P
21:18:17 <Xaroth> and as a result of crappy leadership.. RISE sold it's soul to BOB
21:18:29 <KenjiE20> like half of the others :P
21:19:12 <Xaroth> anyways, i was in another corp back in the fountain days, i joined BIG a year later
21:20:36 <KenjiE20> I'm in a Pator Tech offshoot personally
21:21:12 <KenjiE20> not really, we're just the teeth in the cogs :)
21:21:26 <Xaroth> there's actually a KenjiE variant in my alliance o_O
21:23:15 <KenjiE20> hmph, Schumie back in F1...
21:23:42 <Xaroth> lol overkill learning skills
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21:24:26 <KenjiE20> makes up for my lack of not jamming +3+ in yet
21:25:26 <Xaroth> you run missions, you can afford em
21:26:01 <KenjiE20> I have a range of 4 of the +3s
21:26:10 <KenjiE20> I should sell 'em and buy the remaining +4s
21:26:20 <KenjiE20> got one from a storyline
21:26:42 <Xaroth> o_O no connections skill?
21:27:05 <KenjiE20> I'm a hodge podge :P
21:27:21 <KenjiE20> My skills are all ove
21:28:35 <KenjiE20> atm, I'm aiming for exhumers and cmd ships in prep for this possible WH push
21:30:22 <KenjiE20> indeed, I think inEVE must be doing an API cycle or summat
21:30:45 <Sacro> evening ladies, Prof_Frink
21:33:06 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: i should head down south for some rock action
21:34:03 <Prof_Frink> I'm heading East for some rock action.
21:34:27 <Sacro> i head east for some water fun
21:41:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16985 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: simplify the station removal code a bit by giving proper names and using some helper functions
21:48:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16986 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_bridge.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: AIBridge::GetPrice returned incorrect values
21:49:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16987 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: simplify the code to loop train station for the station demolish code
22:09:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16988 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the code for removing (parts of) stations and waypoints
22:13:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16989 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp waypoint_cmd.cpp waypoint_func.h): -Codechange: unify the code for demolishing (dynamite) stations and waypoints.
22:23:04 <Nite_Owl> Time to go get food - later all
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22:32:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16990 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify some (command) naming w.r.t. stations/waypoints.
22:33:59 <Xaroth> Rubidium: that's a lot of unifying.
22:39:44 <Rubidium> except when managers 'rate' you on the number of lines you've added
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23:07:49 <KenjiE20> well given the choice I know what I'd rather look at while playing a game
23:14:37 <Chruker> heh, that just about the same amount of skillpoints I got
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