IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-07-14
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00:26:42 <niblet> hi. where in the code are companies reseted when they are bancrupt?
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00:53:46 <PeterT> hello, anyone here? i need a little help with patching
01:13:28 <PeterT> i have downloaded 0.7 source, the patch is for 0.7.0, do i HAVE to branch/tag it for 0.7.0?
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01:56:27 <Sacro> probably only Belugas and Eddi|zuHause awake
01:56:49 <PeterT> Belugas, are you there?
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02:34:13 <Belugas> does not meat my eyes are staring at that screen :S
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08:55:29 <planetmaker> hm... why do I have to enter capchas even when I'm loged into the wiki?
08:55:53 <TrueBrain> because we don't trust you :p
08:56:56 <Rubidium> because we were flooded by spam bots that created an account (someone manually solving the captcha) and then spammed the forum
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08:58:49 <TrueBrain> and you have to realise that you help the world with your captcha
08:59:32 <TrueBrain> (well .. if 'world' is 'digitializing books')
09:00:45 <planetmaker> hm... but then being loged in has no real advantage anymore, I guess...
09:00:57 <TrueBrain> your name is attached to the change! :)
09:01:20 <planetmaker> I just added credits to another guy... :P
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09:05:54 <Rubidium> planetmaker: is it (wiki) better now?
09:09:12 <planetmaker> well... I didn't need to enter anything then anymore.
09:09:36 <planetmaker> I like that better. But if it helps to fight spam better, capchas are ok
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11:06:21 <LadyHawk> [14/7][12:06:08] -NickServ- This hostname matches an entry on the access list of nickname LadyHawk. You
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11:06:35 <LadyHawk> first ircd i see this happen
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11:35:15 <dihedral> LadyHawk, you otherwise need to setup nickserv's do allow that option
11:35:23 <dihedral> in fact, you used to have to do that here too
11:36:00 <LadyHawk> every time i reconnected it was whining about how it was gonna change my nick if i didn't identify
11:36:05 <LadyHawk> so i added myself to the access list
11:36:16 <LadyHawk> to stop it from whining, didn't expect it to auto-id me
11:36:49 <dihedral> the whining is useful in case someone else wants to use your nick ^^
11:37:02 <dihedral> well - the renaming is more useful ;-P
11:37:02 <LadyHawk> yeah, so it can whine at other peeps, but not me
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12:15:59 <Patrick`> is there a set of filters for the server browser, or is it a todo?
12:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> afair there was a patch for that
12:34:25 <dihedral> Ammler, and what if he is not a windows user?
12:35:53 <TrueBrain> then he should go sit in the corner I guess
12:36:51 <Ammler> according to Xaroth_, it works on linux too, didn't try it yet. :-)
12:38:29 <Belugas> according to the programer: it was working yesterday
12:38:46 <Belugas> according to the customer department: it is working in here
12:39:14 <Belugas> according to the network technician: reboot and retry
12:40:12 <Belugas> hello cutie. nice aircut you have today :)
12:41:07 <TrueBrain> if things go as planned, I should have some kind of recording device in a few days ... then I will record a piece of my music, so you can laugh :)
12:47:03 <Belugas> as for laughing, please... we're jsut having fun ;)
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14:21:56 <Belugas> i really wonder how one can survive with such a freaking poor internet connection...
14:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> which of these three are you talking about?
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14:32:14 <Belugas> a paste done in the wrong channel ;)
14:34:26 <planetmaker> Belugas, I hope you find the right channels with that :) MOOOAR results :)
14:35:09 <PeterT> i have figured out the problem from yesterday, and fixed it, now that i haved patched the 0.7.0 source with bilbo's patchpack
14:35:19 <PeterT> i cant find the exe to openttd?
14:35:38 <planetmaker> well. The patch applied with tortoiseSVN without error?
14:35:55 <planetmaker> did you compile then?
14:36:32 <PeterT> what is there to compile?
14:36:42 <planetmaker> ... the patched source code?
14:36:56 <planetmaker> the whole of OpenTTD
14:37:01 <PeterT> ok, how might i compile that?
14:37:22 <planetmaker> do you have minGW and MSYS installed? Both?
14:38:49 <PeterT> let me guess, opent msys, then type "cd ~/0.7.0 source/"
14:40:50 <planetmaker> only then it will show whether you really have everything installed properly :P
14:41:12 <PeterT> when i type "cd ~\0.7.0 source" it changes the pwd to "/"
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14:42:23 <planetmaker> cd /0.7.0\ source
14:42:24 <PeterT> i typed "cd ~\0.7.0 source"
14:42:31 <planetmaker> don't use back slashes
14:42:40 <planetmaker> and you might want to remove your space in the dir name, too
14:42:48 <planetmaker> just to be save :)
14:43:20 <PeterT> ok, the spaces thing worked
14:43:27 <PeterT> the "cd /0.7.0\ source" didnt do anything
14:44:03 <planetmaker> well. You need to somehow get into the dir you checked out the source
14:44:18 <PeterT> i said "the spaces thing worked"
14:44:38 <planetmaker> well, then go ahead, if you're in the correct dir
14:44:50 <PeterT> will build ottd ever work?
14:45:07 <planetmaker> I recently read that it has been fixed...
14:45:19 <PeterT> really? not for vista i dont think
14:46:07 <planetmaker> doesn't matter, to me at least. And wouldn't help you, if you want more than one patch.
14:46:14 <Ammler> planetmaker: you are very patient, supporting someone, installing a outdated stable ;-)
14:47:10 <PeterT> i only use outdated stable because ! Mega's servers are on 0.7.0
14:47:25 <planetmaker> are you already compiling, petert?
14:47:43 <Ammler> then you should ask them to update.
14:47:53 <PeterT> Ammler: you think I have'nt?
14:48:20 <Ammler> well, if you have and they don't care, they aren't worth to visit.
14:49:54 <PeterT> planetmaker: its done, but i still cant find a openttd.exe
14:50:22 <Belugas> i say so : I don't like mega
14:50:24 <planetmaker> petert: is configure done or make
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14:50:49 <PeterT> do you want to see my computer?
14:51:04 <TrueBrain> yes, please show me your computer
14:51:10 <TrueBrain> a nice picture of your computer would be so much fun!
14:51:16 <planetmaker> ./configure >> configlog.txt
14:51:23 <planetmaker> make >> makelog.txt
14:51:43 <planetmaker> and paste the contents of the files configlog.txt and makelog.txt at paste.openttd.org
14:51:47 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: btw, 'make run' starts the game too
14:52:08 <planetmaker> Oh, I didn't know that, TrueBrain :)
14:52:15 <TrueBrain> make run-gdb attaches gdb
14:52:20 <TrueBrain> and make run-prof runs gprof afterwards :p
14:52:27 <TrueBrain> OPENTTD_ARGS="-snull" make run
14:52:43 <TrueBrain> (the latter I type more often than I would want to admit :p
14:52:45 <PeterT> i forgot how to copy from msys
14:53:00 <Ammler> -snull is default here too
14:53:43 <planetmaker> that's just usual directories you can access with your win exploder
14:53:57 <planetmaker> http? in the log files?
14:54:10 <PeterT> its that svn update thing
14:54:27 <TrueBrain> PeterT: so remove the 'http' part
14:54:31 <TrueBrain> (just leave the ://)
14:54:54 <planetmaker> listen to the people who know :)
14:55:24 <TrueBrain> you said make finished
14:55:32 <TrueBrain> yet you completely 'forget' to mention it is with an error :s
14:55:58 <TrueBrain> double applied patches, COOL!!
14:56:06 <planetmaker> well... I guess you still want to do what the error in the 2nd and 3rd line suggests.
14:56:44 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I wish you good luck :)
14:57:38 <PeterT> join #urandom, so we dont spam this irc
14:57:57 <planetmaker> later. First update your svn. I'm at work
14:58:11 <TrueBrain> and fix your double applied patch
14:58:25 <PeterT> i only applied it once
14:58:32 <Ammler> try to make it like the wiki tells, step for step.
14:58:33 <TrueBrain> how much money do you want to put on that?
14:58:49 <TrueBrain> (every error being 67 lines apart from eachother simply indicates the file contains twice the content)
15:00:02 <Ammler> how did you install the mingw environment, I would recommend BOTTD for start.
15:00:11 <PeterT> TrueBrain, Ammler, and planetmaker, are you all ottd developers?
15:00:34 <TrueBrain> if you are too lazy to lookup who developers are of a game, I don't think that questions deserves an answer :)
15:00:49 <PeterT> i installed EXACTLY like wiki said, and bottd, doesnt work on vista, says the wiki
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15:02:43 <Ammler> that warning is obsolete, afaik.
15:02:56 <TrueBrain> only one way to find out ... TRY it!
15:03:08 <TrueBrain> the wonderful thing about this world .. you can try things! :)
15:03:10 <Ammler> and if it works, update the wiki
15:03:14 <planetmaker> trying is a good approach in development at all stages.
15:03:34 <PeterT> i have tried it, but just for you i will try again
15:03:50 <planetmaker> in software development all you can waste is your time. I can here also waste $$$ equipment ;)
15:03:52 <Ammler> oh, now we need to thank you?
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15:04:08 <Belugas> and if it does not work, scrap everything, do it again. and in the end, just change methods
15:04:23 <Belugas> or sit on a corner and think as to why it does not work
15:04:32 <planetmaker> ^^ yup. Accepting failure as part of the process is the hardest thing to learn
15:05:19 * planetmaker goes now producing the 4th iteration of... a planet maker :P
15:05:50 <PeterT> The remote server returned an error: 404 (Not Found)
15:06:11 <PeterT> Value cannot be null. Parameter name: items
15:06:50 <Ammler> try again, (hint: tt-forums) ;-)
15:07:08 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: yesterday I went to this talk about the red and blue colouring of starsystems, mostly interesting :)
15:07:27 <TrueBrain> (well, it was the master blabla talk of a good friend of mine :p)
15:08:20 <Belugas> the red/blue shift due to the speed of the object ?
15:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the colour indicates the heat of the star at its surface
15:09:08 <TrueBrain> Belugas: redshift is speed, yes, or rather: distance :p
15:09:41 <TrueBrain> in this case it was about the 'true' colour. More exact: the relation to the mass of a system based on rotation speed of objects in the system, against the mass based on the lumonosity
15:10:25 <PeterT> what exactly am I looking for on the forums Ammler
15:12:41 <PeterT> what do you mean? i just installed it?
15:13:05 <PeterT> The remote server returned an error: 404 (Not Found)
15:13:05 <PeterT> Value cannot be null. Parameter name: items
15:15:17 <PeterT> if im using this "patch -p0 -i file.diff" commmand in msys, where should the patch be located?
15:16:14 <TrueBrain> make sure you nailed it very tight to the floor
15:16:16 <TrueBrain> else it might not work
15:16:19 <TrueBrain> happens all the time to me
15:16:29 <PeterT> where should the patch be?
15:16:29 <TrueBrain> (damn, it is hard not to go BOFH)
15:18:36 <Belugas> PeterT, try it, then list your dir
15:18:38 <TrueBrain> PeterT: can I suggest you get a good book about these sort of things? You have to understand you are starting to become quiet demanding on this channel? We expect our users to put some kind of effort in it themself, instead of asking every little tiny step they try to make. There is only so much we can teach you, and how a file system and their references work, is not one of them
15:19:17 <PeterT> TrueBrain: buy me a book and I will read it
15:19:33 <TrueBrain> @kban PeterT 1000 do it yourself
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15:19:34 *** PeterT was kicked by DorpsGek (do it yourself)
15:19:42 <TrueBrain> maybe now he understands who is a developer and who not ...
15:19:45 <dihedral> that was ... uncalled for??
15:19:49 <KenjiE20> lol second ban in as many days
15:19:58 <TrueBrain> dihedral: you call that uncalled? :)
15:20:08 <LadyHawk> i was watching but didn't want to get involved in that..
15:20:09 <dihedral> it only gets more fun :-P
15:20:20 <TrueBrain> LadyHawk: wise choice ;)
15:20:27 <dihedral> anyway - time to go home, when he can back in, i am back too :-D
15:20:58 <petern> "when he can back in" ?
15:21:08 <petern> TrueBrain, two birds with one stone, eh?
15:21:33 <TrueBrain> yeah, it did made my day ;)
15:22:36 <TrueBrain> maybe now he has time to do a bit of research himself .. ghehe :)
15:25:59 <TrueBrain> by the chatter my spamfilter received on my PM, I doubt it too :p
15:27:37 <TrueBrain> I believe he is wining that he got banned because he asked a question ... some people just don't understand :'(
15:27:42 <TrueBrain> and my speakerset is still not in!!! :'(
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15:36:22 <TrueBrain> niblet: even more reason, I say :p
15:36:39 <TrueBrain> (and no, I am not a nice guy :p)
15:37:33 <Rubidium> you are a nice guy (no idea why you wouldn't be a nice guy)
15:39:40 <niblet> how skilled does one have to be to join the ottd development team?
15:39:59 <TrueBrain> lets say ... more skilled than PeterT?
15:40:13 <niblet> doesn't take much then?
15:40:20 <TrueBrain> it is a bottom-line
15:40:31 <Ammler> he is genious with a book
15:41:25 <Rubidium> well, I doubt that Gordon Ramsey, very skilled in profanities and cooking, would be able to join the development team
15:41:26 <TrueBrain> niblet: you can only join if you are invited (well .. history has shown that at least)
15:41:43 <TrueBrain> and people only invite you, if they think you can contribute something
15:41:58 <TrueBrain> which is a bit vague concept I guess ;)
15:42:48 <TrueBrain> a good start is fixing a few bugs, making some really good patches ...
15:42:53 <TrueBrain> help us out with annoying users .. :p
15:43:42 <niblet> or just go to canada and get Belugas drunk enough to invite me :x>
15:44:22 <TrueBrain> if that is your prefered method
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15:45:25 <Rubidium> and you ought to be not skilled in getting on ignore lists and/or annoying developers
15:45:47 <TrueBrain> which developers are annoying? :p
15:46:05 <TrueBrain> (and how do you get on them? Besides the method described above by niblet :p)
15:46:30 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: reread, preferably without the dyslexia mask
15:46:48 <TrueBrain> and you ought to be not skilled in getting on annoying developers
15:46:59 <TrueBrain> was just visualizing that :p
15:47:55 <Rubidium> though the dev whom's name starts and ends like your (current) nick was annoying
15:48:58 <Rubidium> and why is Apple following Microsoft in their quest to disobey standards?
15:49:15 <TrueBrain> because it is the new thing!
15:49:33 <KingJ> Because it's hip, trendy and cool.
15:51:55 <Belugas> [11:43] <niblet> or just go to canada and get Belugas drunk enough to invite me :x> <--- you'd be surprised :)
15:52:01 <Belugas> i cannot make you a dev
15:52:14 <Belugas> i can suggest, but that's it
15:52:40 <TrueBrain> Belugas: STTT!!! He was going to offer you free drinks!!! :P
15:52:43 <planetmaker> <TrueBrain> (well, it was the master blabla talk of a good friend of mine :p) <-- hehe :)
15:52:57 <Eddi|zuHause> most probable method to become a dev is to spam them with good patches
15:53:00 <planetmaker> Sometimes it's interesting to listen to completely random topics - just because one knows the person :P
15:54:19 <Belugas> well... he first has to come here...
15:54:31 <Belugas> niblet, if you do, bring petern in your luggages
15:59:04 <planetmaker> hm... Rubidium looks like removing c++ defaults? :S
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16:15:59 <George> niblet: please stop posting "niblet отошёл: afk"
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16:17:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's Apple making stuff available that wasn't (and shouldn't be) available before
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16:19:25 <dihedral> hehe, OpenTTD requirement for os x: x11 :-)
16:19:57 <Rubidium> but to work around it in a 'nice' manner, all OSX specific files must be brought in-line with the rest of the code w.r.t. including stdafx.h first
16:20:53 <planetmaker> when do they introduce that change btw?
16:24:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r16826 /extra/website/frontpage/feeds.py: [Website] -Fix: RSS feed was broken
16:30:32 <planetmaker> he. OS 10.6 isn't even shipped so far :)
16:31:06 <dihedral> that will not be long
16:31:43 <planetmaker> September or October
16:36:04 <planetmaker> September... not long anymore...
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16:43:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16827 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: make OSX specific files include stdafx.h always as the first file. Also unify OSX specific stuff into osx_stdafx.h and remove unused includes.
16:47:00 <Belugas> damned.. i forgot my juice. i'm dehydating!
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17:03:44 <TrueBrain> @kick PeterT not that kind of channel
17:03:44 *** PeterT was kicked by DorpsGek (not that kind of channel)
17:03:56 <TrueBrain> where is glx when you ened him :p
17:04:24 <Belugas> hey ... he earned the right to be no vacations!
17:04:54 <TrueBrain> as he indeed earns it :)
17:04:58 <TrueBrain> still .. he is missed ;)
17:05:37 <PeterT> i have seen someone use that command before!
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17:06:29 <dihedral> yep, a lot of people have
17:08:04 <TrueBrain> dihedral: really? Cool .. as that hasn't been working for the last N years :p
17:08:20 <TrueBrain> PeterT: general rule: if your calculation benefits this channel or a conversation in it, feel free to use the (right) command
17:08:24 <TrueBrain> else: start a PM with what ever bot
17:08:38 <dihedral> TrueBrain, i was not talking about the bot command but the function 'calc'
17:08:52 <TrueBrain> dihedral: you should be more specific I guess :p You were confusing him :)
17:09:07 <PeterT> so what is the right command?
17:09:08 <dihedral> TrueBrain, that is not my fault... anything confuses him
17:09:24 <TrueBrain> dihedral: everything is your fault, you know that, irght?
17:09:29 <TrueBrain> PeterT: that calculator on your desk
17:09:52 <PeterT> that there is a calculator on my desk
17:09:53 <dihedral> but i think i wish for something else
17:10:05 <TrueBrain> Start -> Programs -> (what is it called in english) -> Calculator
17:10:06 <planetmaker> there is no spoon
17:10:07 <KenjiE20> it's a big thing with fans and makes noises
17:10:12 <planetmaker> ... actually: there is.
17:10:20 <TrueBrain> KenjiE20: nice one :)
17:10:39 <TrueBrain> did you know you could make your computer faster by switching the red thingy in the back from 220 to 110? Then it goes twice as fast! (to make a nice BOFH comment :p)
17:10:54 <TrueBrain> (oh, and please don't execute the above suggestion ...)
17:11:14 <PeterT> i didnt even understand
17:11:18 <dihedral> you do not expect anybody to be that stupid to you
17:11:45 <TrueBrain> I want 220 euro from you
17:11:48 <TrueBrain> here you go, 220 euro volts
17:11:52 <dihedral> dont teas him, he's younger than you are
17:12:11 <TrueBrain> dihedral: everyone is younger than Belugas
17:12:35 <planetmaker> everybody should order some boards and nails. Just in case
17:12:39 <dihedral> i was not just talking about physical age
17:12:53 <TrueBrain> I have stack corruption in my app .... nasty things to trace
17:13:55 <Belugas> [13:12] <TrueBrain> dihedral: everyone is younger than Belugas <-- i heard recently someone is as old as me :P
17:14:08 <TrueBrain> they still exist at that age?
17:14:23 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I thought he was younger
17:14:26 <Belugas> TrueBrain, i'll burry you!!
17:14:31 <TrueBrain> Belugas: no you love me!
17:14:40 <planetmaker> he... I considered Alberth the age of Truebrain :)
17:14:42 <Belugas> everyone though so, even me :)
17:14:48 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: exactly
17:14:52 <Belugas> i do, TrueBrain, I really do!
17:14:54 <PeterT> Belugas: how old are you?
17:14:55 <dihedral> PeterT, if everybody here could be your dad..... Belugas could be everybodies dad
17:15:08 <Belugas> old enough to be yur dad , PeterT ;)
17:15:17 <TrueBrain> Belugas: everyone is old enough to be his dad
17:15:20 <petern> APPROACHING THE SEA OF FIRE
17:15:21 <TrueBrain> so that doesn't count :p
17:15:26 <dihedral> Belugas, that aint hard, i could be that
17:15:27 <planetmaker> hm... even I could, I guess...
17:15:28 <petern> BRING IT THROUGH SAFELY
17:16:22 <Belugas> VRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
17:16:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16828 /trunk/ (config.lib src/os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h src/stdafx.h): -Codechange: attempt at making OSX compile with the 10.6 SDK too; no guarantees ofcourse...
17:17:11 <planetmaker> Rubidium, in September I'll test :)
17:17:26 <Rubidium> now just hope that it didn't break any existing build environments (besides mine)
17:17:43 <planetmaker> :) I'll see that when I'm home
17:17:52 <Belugas> funny.. usually, we say... i'll test it tomorrow, or in an hour or so...
17:17:57 <Belugas> now that's a buzy man...
17:18:14 <planetmaker> Belugas, 10.6 is only sold then...
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17:19:01 <planetmaker> without paying big $$$ or tapping illegal software sources it'll be hard to do differently :)
17:19:21 <TrueBrain> and now you fix my stack problem, okay? :p
17:19:41 * planetmaker stacks two pieces of hay on top of each other. Does that do?
17:19:48 <Rubidium> interweave your building blocks, that makes your stack much stronger
17:19:51 <TrueBrain> nope ... still can't find the needle :(
17:20:31 <Rubidium> also don't try the small bavaria/brand kratten, they can't be properly stacked
17:21:03 <PeterT> what was the other way to start openttd with a command?
17:21:20 <dihedral> format c: # openttd.exe
17:22:12 <tdev> damn, petern and PeterT confuses me
17:22:23 <TrueBrain> tdev: yeah .. shall we have a vote which name remains?
17:22:37 <PeterT> can an OS really format C when OS is running on C?
17:22:39 <dihedral> petern aint half as silly
17:22:43 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you (and the rest of OpenGFX) should consider a more unified scheme for writing down changelogs in changelog.ptxt; - Feature #num: ..., - Feature (#num):..., - Feature: ... (closes #num), - Fix [Bug #76]: ..., inconsistent use of capitals after :
17:22:44 <petern> THE NAMES ARE DIFFERENT
17:23:05 <PeterT> good job tdev, you upset petern
17:23:12 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I do agree :)
17:23:29 <planetmaker> I guess we're still working on a consistant commit message style
17:24:00 <planetmaker> I'd actually be interested how it works with OpenTTD. Are the references also always entered manually?
17:24:07 <planetmaker> I assume so, but one never knows :)
17:25:01 <PeterT> right now, i am very happy, my first time actually making a patch WORK!
17:25:59 <planetmaker> commit style was what I was looking for, Rubidium - thanks!
17:26:23 <Rubidium> for what it's worth, both are linked from the development page on the wiki
17:26:24 <tdev> yet another document i can assimilate into our project :p
17:30:30 <planetmaker> but it takes a bit time to get used to a consistant commit message style
17:30:45 <planetmaker> Especially to get all people actually use it :)
17:31:51 <Rubidium> that can be partly enforced by precommit hooks... when using a centralised VCS
17:31:57 <Ammler> well, the changelog is manually anyway, so it should be possible there.
17:32:27 <planetmaker> Well... most repositories are de-centralized VCS.
17:33:26 <Ammler> we still have one "master" repo, so those hooks would be possible
17:33:54 <planetmaker> well... difficult to rename a hook once commited
17:34:02 <planetmaker> s/hook/commit message/
17:34:14 <Ammler> you have to decline the push
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17:34:33 <planetmaker> that'd be really... difficult
17:34:33 <Ammler> and the the dev has to rollback and commit again
17:34:58 <Belugas> that's why they invented the wheels. easier to roll...
17:36:48 <Ammler> I guess, in general, you could just remove all "numbers" (rXX, #XX) from the changelog
17:38:03 <planetmaker> yes, but they need, indeed, to be consistant in the first place.
17:38:20 <Rubidium> if you don't have release branches those numbers aren't really needed, but once you've got release branches and you want to backport stuff they are pretty useful to see whether fixes should be backported or not
17:38:49 <Ammler> then you could use the revision log
17:39:03 <planetmaker> right. We don't have release branches yet.
17:39:26 <planetmaker> For once also because I didn't dare introduce them yet as I'm not familiar with using branched repositories
17:40:42 <Ammler> well, you would need a major release for that :-)
17:40:57 <Ammler> we are far away from that
17:41:01 <planetmaker> well, yes... Like at 2cc Train Set :)
17:45:44 <Ammler> Rubidium: what is difference between () and []?
17:46:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16829 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:46:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 46 changes by kasakg
17:46:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by Gavin
17:46:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 205 changes by tradukanto
17:46:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker
17:46:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: greek - 4 changes by kinglee
17:46:43 <Rubidium> guess that should make it quite self explanatory
17:46:58 <dihedral> i thought it already was ^^
17:49:56 <dihedral> compiling is taking forever and a day
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17:50:35 <Ammler> so, just style, noe real meaning
17:51:30 <Rubidium> no, but visually making it look different makes it easier to differentiate between the different items and more easily guess the meaning
17:52:09 <Rubidium> e.g. we use FS#<num> because we once used sourceforge's tracker, i.e. SF#<much bigger num>
17:53:46 <Ammler> dunno, if Redmine would still link them automatcially
17:57:26 <planetmaker> it would link. But question is back-link :)
17:57:48 <Ammler> we could call ours DZ#
17:57:51 <planetmaker> But we could try to adjust the rules for the links to like "Fix ["
17:58:00 <planetmaker> :) or something like that
17:58:25 <planetmaker> Not the worst of ideas actually...
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17:59:42 <Ammler> and adding DZ as keyword would automatically reference tickets with commits
18:00:07 <planetmaker> nothing to memorize except DZ...
18:00:36 <planetmaker> We need something for closing and something for reference :)
18:07:08 <frosch123> hmm, 5 years cheat menu. is that a reason to party?
18:09:50 <Ammler> how did you cheat before? also with signs?
18:10:47 <frosch123> more likely in patch settings or so
18:11:49 <frosch123> or maybe there were no cheats in 0.3.2.1 :) (only exploits)
18:12:08 <Alberth> we can do a rename :p
18:12:14 <dihedral> Rubidium, compiles for me
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18:13:12 <frosch123> Alberth: you want to rename the "cheat menu" to "patch settings"?
18:13:47 <Alberth> I was thinking about 'exploits' instead of 'cheats'
18:14:20 <Ammler> well, actually, you could merge the cheats to difficulty and advanced settings
18:14:27 <Ammler> as they are "mixed" anyway.
18:14:44 <Alberth> 'simplicity settings'
18:14:57 <frosch123> Ammler: most of the cheats are not multiplayer safe
18:15:17 <planetmaker> frosch123, but so are some advanced settings and of course, difficulty settings
18:15:47 <planetmaker> frosch123, like wagon speed limits
18:15:54 <frosch123> I mean like money cheat will desync if you do not invest some work
18:16:08 <Ammler> frosch123: the only "unsafe" thing i see, is enabling/disabling
18:16:27 <planetmaker> frosch123, doesn't mean it needs being enabled in multiplayer
18:16:33 <frosch123> and climate will desync newgrfs on join etc
18:16:38 <Ammler> but if you once have a save with the magic bulldozer, you are fine
18:17:00 <planetmaker> changing e.g. the engine pool won't work in multiplayer either. And it's an advanced setting
18:18:34 <planetmaker> IMO the whole destinction between and GUI organisation of cheats, advanced settings, difficulty settings, and also game start settings / newgrf settings / AI settings could do some thinking about.
18:19:13 <Ammler> wasn't the new tree GUI start for that?
18:20:31 <frosch123> ok. so: 1. money cheat: you have to turn it into a command to make it work, 2. switch company: pointless / already there, 3. magic bulldozer: should work, 4. tunnel crossing: should work, 5. build in pause: no idea, 6. planecrash on small airports: should work, 7. modify production values: needs a command, 8. climate: desync on join, 9. date: desync on join
18:21:05 <dihedral> 1. making money cheat a command is easy, but who would want that?
18:21:12 <dihedral> who would play on that server if it were that easy
18:21:16 <Alberth> Ammler: that was for getting rid of the silly buttons, and allowing sub-tabs (that was my goal at least) :)
18:21:34 <dihedral> perhaps if the money cheat did not just increase by 10000000
18:22:00 <dihedral> but by a variable value, and also decrease for penalties :-P
18:22:24 <Belugas> Military Police safe? you're diong drugs again?
18:22:56 <planetmaker> nope. weapons of war and mass destruction
18:23:29 <frosch123> Ammler: are you sure, aren't playeractions synchronised by game ticks?
18:24:03 <Ammler> well, at least we played pz5 that way :-)
18:24:47 <Ammler> it was nice, after unpause, everywhere the money signs
18:25:00 <Ammler> (well, it wasn't nice)
18:25:03 <planetmaker> frosch123, still. You cannot change all advanced settings in an MP game. So failure for a cheat to be MP safe is therefor not an argument against integration of them there.
18:25:28 <frosch123> planetmaker: was I talking about changing them, or using them?
18:25:45 <planetmaker> you were talking about using :P
18:25:56 * planetmaker goes to the corner for a round of shaming to do
18:26:22 <planetmaker> ... or however that translates to English
18:26:27 <Ammler> there are some adv. settings also to be considered as cheats like plane speed, waggon speed, station spread etc.
18:27:02 <Ammler> (or different level of difficulty)
18:27:36 <Ammler> well, coop would enable most cheats :P
18:27:43 <dihedral> Ammler, they are not cheats
18:27:59 <dihedral> why would plane speed be a cheat
18:28:17 <frosch123> maybe breakdowns should become a per company setting :p
18:28:25 <Ammler> I just listed some settings, which "can" be considered as.
18:28:33 <dihedral> breakdowns need fixing :-P
18:28:38 <dihedral> no matter where they go to
18:29:17 <dihedral> what else would you consider a cheat Ammler?
18:29:33 <dihedral> i agree on the waggon speed limit (often disabled, sadly)
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18:30:06 <dihedral> number of towns which become a city?
18:30:14 <planetmaker> permissivity, I guess
18:30:17 <frosch123> Ammler: how ever, before you discuss merging advanced settings and cheats, you should consider merging advanced-, difficulty-, games- and newssettings :p
18:30:18 <dihedral> authority towards terraforming
18:30:25 <Ammler> but as I said, I would rename those to different difficutly levels, like using no breakdowns in very easy mode
18:30:44 <planetmaker> frosch123, when doing that, then proper and not leaving out, like 7(?) pieces :)
18:31:20 <dihedral> i would love to see the money cheat to become a command :-P
18:31:26 <Ammler> money is imo the only "real" cheat
18:31:32 <Belugas> does it hurt, planetmaker?
18:31:38 <dihedral> penalty for tf, every x tiles = -10 000 000 :-P
18:32:14 <Ammler> well, that is also partially already in adv. settings
18:32:18 <planetmaker> that's why I abandoned my once started patch to re-accomodate all this stuff
18:33:19 <planetmaker> because it very easily un-ravels many, many questions.
18:34:35 <planetmaker> Like: can new settings be linked to difficulty levels?
18:35:04 <Ammler> is there another difficutly setting then in TTD, btw.?
18:35:20 <planetmaker> Should some map generation settings also be visible in the list?
18:35:27 <Alberth> can you define a difficulty level useful for everybody in the first place?
18:36:01 <planetmaker> Should some adv. settings be visible in the game creation (like wagon speed limits, engine pool)?
18:36:11 <dihedral> extra dynamite only works within a town
18:36:11 <Ammler> Alberth: current default?
18:36:25 <dihedral> just makes the town auth more silly :-P
18:36:58 <planetmaker> They don't like you? Well, then show them what you can do! ;)
18:37:12 <planetmaker> boom! And where do they live now, the snobby magistrates? ;)
18:39:13 <planetmaker> And: should there be yet-another-option "hide 'unimportant' settings". But what is 'unimportant', what not?
18:39:20 <planetmaker> or call it detailed settings
18:39:47 <planetmaker> but that could then encompass also the now hidden settings.
18:39:55 <planetmaker> which have no GUI representation.
18:40:48 <niblet> anyone up for a huge private coop game?
18:41:32 <PeterT> which reminds me, im trying to compile your patch, and its not working :P
18:41:49 <PeterT> when it finished and i open it, supposedly im running "OpenTTD R"
18:42:35 <niblet> I thought it was the trains eating it
18:42:41 <Ammler> it eats only one, but the whole ;-)
18:43:37 <frosch123> planetmaker: you need a section for compatibility&obsolete settings :)
18:44:09 <PeterT> niblet, could you post the binaries for the patch?
18:44:23 <frosch123> oh, and we forgot those settings which are only accessible via console (e.g. yapf penalties), and those which you wonder why they ever existed (like drawing pillars under high bridges)
18:44:26 <Ammler> and settings-presets :-)
18:44:35 <planetmaker> frosch123, indeed. That's IMO a good idea :)
18:45:40 <niblet> if you cant figure out how to compile it with all the instructions you have received so far you need to go back to studying :)
18:46:08 <PeterT> no, i HAVE compiled, and i open and it says im running "OpenTTD r"
18:46:21 <planetmaker> and... setting-presets might make sense...
18:46:35 <planetmaker> PeterT, ./configure --help
18:46:49 <Ammler> well, you could use those also for the difficulty levels
18:46:59 <Ammler> some "hardcoded" presets
18:47:06 <frosch123> [20:47] <planetmaker> and... setting-presets might make sense... <- but become more difficult if you distinguish map-generation-, client- and serversettings
18:47:32 <PeterT> what do i do with ./configure --help
18:47:33 <planetmaker> Ammler, indeed. And frosch123 also indeed :)
18:47:38 <PeterT> ive entered it in msys
18:48:48 <niblet> all coders, no players
18:49:24 <planetmaker> of course it does
18:49:24 * KenjiE20 is mostly in the 'off' phase of the ottd cycle
18:49:48 <PeterT> me explaining the problem and then you giving me a command that you dont explain doesnt help
18:50:41 <planetmaker> and think about what revision or version you expect it to show and what you got.
18:51:14 <PeterT> I expected 0.7.1, and i got r
18:51:42 <planetmaker> then use your newly gained knowledge to now configure your make system to build 0.7.1
18:52:34 <PeterT> im guessing i should revert at this point?
18:53:57 * KenjiE20 watches PeterT fly off and down into the chasm
18:55:00 <PeterT> is this correct? ./configure --build= 0.7.1
18:55:18 <KingJ> I'm using a precompiled version of cargodist someone posted on the forums, however all saved games and most scenarios give me an invalid chunk size error, is there a work around for this?
18:55:50 <Rubidium> well, except fixing cargodist to open them
18:56:05 <planetmaker> PeterT, you want revision
18:56:25 <KingJ> No feasible work around then, thanks anyway Rubidium
18:56:46 <PeterT> ./configure --revision= 0.7.1
18:57:25 <planetmaker> if you leave out the space at the right position, it should do the trick.
18:59:47 * dihedral feeds PeterT a 'yes'
19:02:05 <Ammler> KingJ: that would be serious bug of the patch, at least all saves < lasttrunkmerge should be loadable.
19:03:20 <dihedral> Ammler, not if the savegames from trunk are after a verion bump in trunk ^^
19:03:40 <dihedral> and afaik cargoAnything is not that up to date
19:03:44 <Ammler> that is meant with < "last trunk merge"
19:03:48 <planetmaker> Je pense, que tu viverait en Quebec...
19:03:57 <planetmaker> excuse my bad French :P
19:04:36 <PeterT> Je suis vraiment mauvais en franais, trop
19:04:36 <Ammler> cargod_I_st should be very up2date
19:05:36 <dihedral> yeah - cargodEst got abandond :-(
19:06:00 <planetmaker> the boost dependency is ugly...
19:06:25 <Belugas> PeterT, tu viens de dire plus de francais correct que la vaste majorite des gens ici
19:06:42 <niblet> oh noes. ze french ar coming!
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19:06:45 <Belugas> planetmaker "vivrait au"
19:06:50 <PeterT> i hope thats not too insulting
19:06:50 <Belugas> for the rest, good :)
19:07:31 <PeterT> belugas, what did that mean?
19:07:41 <PeterT> google translate says "you just said over french correct that the vast majority of people here"
19:08:24 <planetmaker> ... I my not write correctly... but I can understand that sentence :)
19:08:40 <PeterT> but that doesnt make any sense
19:08:52 <dihedral> planetmaker, that's because you are used to google translate? :-P
19:09:12 <dihedral> i thought - * - = + :-P
19:09:15 <planetmaker> dihedral, I actually meant the French version. But given the English translation, the real meaning can IMO be guessed
19:09:24 <dihedral> wrt making sense :-P
19:10:49 <Belugas> i said that you spoke more correct french than the vast majority of the users in here
19:14:24 <Ammler> we just spoke about cheats, why isn't it possible to make bigger stations then 64 tiles?
19:14:55 <dihedral> Belugas, some here don't even speak (or write) correct english ^^
19:15:14 <niblet> ammler: why would you want to? O_o
19:15:40 <dihedral> because you can build 99 tile long trains :-P
19:15:44 <Ammler> niblet: does that matter?
19:16:09 <niblet> just wondering.. :p.. I cant imagine a situation where I would want a 99 tile long train :p
19:17:07 <Alberth> make it 1024, so you can park it at the src and dest station, and transport infinite cargo through the train
19:17:14 <dihedral> (without NewGRFs that is)
19:17:35 <dihedral> Alberth, you have your oil pipe line :-P
19:17:50 <Alberth> no need for multiple trains too
19:18:13 <Ammler> Alberth: is it just a setting or technical limit?
19:18:14 <Alberth> no need for double or triple tracks
19:18:27 <dihedral> go to london in a second, and feel dizzy for the rest of the day
19:19:34 <Alberth> dihedral: Alberth, you have your oil pipe line :-P <-- oil pipe train :p
19:20:20 <dihedral> do it underground :-D
19:24:46 <tdev> but bridge seems to be broken?
19:25:16 <Ammler> they look that way in my games
19:29:49 <Alberth> it's all so.. inefficient. Let's transport the refinery instead.
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19:40:34 <Belugas> let's write some real pipelines
19:45:50 <Alberth> I made several today with named pipes
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19:53:07 <PeterT> niblet: are you sure the patch you made is for 0.7.1?
19:55:19 <PeterT> niblet: do you have any idea why when i compile your patch and open ottd, it says "OpenTTD r" for a version, and its unusable on multiplayer?
19:56:33 <yorick> oh, he already asked here :D
19:57:27 <Alberth> maybe you can try compiling a 0.8 version
19:57:45 <PeterT> you mean a version thats not released yet?
19:58:22 <Belugas> what is in trunk is 0.8
19:59:12 <Alberth> point is, just saying '--revision=0.7.1' doesn't make it a 0.7.1 version.
19:59:22 <yorick> petert, you checked out the 0.7.1 tag, right
19:59:42 <yorick> then you shouldn't use --revision
19:59:52 <PeterT> but just to make sure, i will do it for the 3rd time
20:02:08 <yorick> niblet: are you the patch author?
20:04:22 <Belugas> yorick, PeterT applied a patch too. but hey... i'm not into that configure stuff at all
20:04:34 * Belugas pets his Delphi compiler
20:04:45 <yorick> Belugas: I know, he went to ask me in a query
20:05:31 <PeterT> why cant there be an easy way to patch?
20:05:39 <yorick> are you sure the patching worked
20:06:10 <Alberth> Belugas: you read about the cats that manipulate humans at /. today?
20:06:22 <yorick> oh, it's rortom with another name
20:06:52 <Belugas> Alberth: no, i'm stilll chained at wrk, like a slave
20:07:12 <yorick> he's probably not a programmer...
20:07:26 <Alberth> Apparently, they have adapted their purring sounds to get more attention
20:07:45 <PeterT> can i get a link for this story?
20:08:25 <dihedral> PeterT, without wanting to hurt your feelds, but he aint talkint to you!
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20:09:05 <PeterT> diherdral: then wouldnt it be more logical to use private message then?
20:09:58 <Belugas> thanks. i'll read tonight (if i can)
20:09:58 <Alberth> no, it kind of like sitting together in one big room, and talking to a specific person
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20:13:28 * dihedral sets up his cat-wall
20:15:14 <dihedral> just dont eat it when it's yellow
20:15:56 <PeterT> how about, dont eat it when its any other color then white
20:17:43 <yorick> your doin it rong... it's Belugas++; :)
20:18:11 <KenjiE20> both are acceptable karma increases :P
20:18:34 <yorick> KenjiE20: but ++ takes less instructions!
20:19:48 <Noldo> and ++i even evades the creation of temporary object
20:20:18 <yorick> it first has to increment i and then return it
20:20:29 <yorick> instead of first return i and then increment it
20:21:26 <PeterT> ok, patching finished, its 0.7.1, so it worked
20:21:36 <PeterT> but the "!" commands dont work
20:21:40 <yorick> is it 0.7.1, or is it pretending to be
20:21:55 <yorick> or does it say "FAILED"
20:22:24 <yorick> tht doesn't mean anything
20:23:31 <planetmaker> PeterT: the ! commands are not part of OpenTTD...
20:23:43 <PeterT> this is a patched version
20:24:09 <planetmaker> But I'd bet a beer on the fact that they are part of a server-wrapper script
20:24:22 <PeterT> and how does that work?
20:24:31 <planetmaker> that version only allows to access the things queried by these commands
20:24:52 <planetmaker> the same way our public server or any server with IRC interface works
20:25:02 <PeterT> so what do we need for it to work?
20:25:34 <planetmaker> Honestly: no idea for your version and the goal servers
20:26:13 <PeterT> yorick what is that for?
20:26:23 <yorick> PeterT: it's the citybuilder patch
20:26:26 <Belugas> he wants to abuse you
20:26:27 <yorick> if ( strncmp(msg, "!", 1) != 0) :)
20:26:37 <PeterT> yorick exactly what i just compiled
20:27:36 <yorick> Belugas: I know he wanst to abuse me, that's why planetmaker sends him a beer, so he leaves me alone
20:28:46 * planetmaker goes better back to adding grfs to OpenGFX
20:29:25 <yorick> PeterT: and requires English(uk) language set in order to run successfully.
20:29:32 <Rubidium> no complaints on my OSX changes; that's good news ;)
20:29:59 <Belugas> or it means that no one is using it, nowaday
20:30:06 <Belugas> they are all on iToys!
20:30:50 <yorick> PeterT, but are you using it
20:31:36 <PeterT> ok, i swited to english (UK), still doesnt work
20:32:57 <PeterT> thanks yorick for everything
20:33:00 <PeterT> and thanks everyone else
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20:39:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16830 /branches/0.7/ (8 files in 5 dirs):
20:39:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
20:39:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Introduce a plural 'rule' for Korean (r16811)
20:39:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Automatic resizing of SelectCompanyLiveryWindow was not working as expected [FS#3021] (r16809)
20:43:26 <dihedral> [22:24] <planetmaker> But I'd bet a beer on the fact that they are part of a server-wrapper <- i would not :-P
20:43:40 <dihedral> i had a modified client and got the entire game to stall :-P
20:43:52 <dihedral> just by sending !cv every tick :-D
20:44:10 <planetmaker> the !cv command normally?
20:44:10 <dihedral> lists a status of every company
20:44:19 <dihedral> probably fetched from a db, i would guess
20:44:26 <dihedral> as it aint very fast
20:44:49 <dihedral> so letting the server process that on every tick, on a server with 14 companies... YMM :-D
20:45:01 <dihedral> i was connected twice
20:45:04 * yorick thinks dihedral is not nice to server owners
20:45:17 <dihedral> the second client was doing the sending
20:45:31 <dihedral> the first clients chat message only arrived after the second client disconnected
20:45:34 <planetmaker> the first the watching :)
20:45:45 <dihedral> yorick, wrong, i was asked to look for bugs, as PeterT believed there were NONE
20:46:13 <planetmaker> DOS bugs are evil ;)
20:46:13 <dihedral> though - he aint the server owner :-D
20:46:30 <yorick> you were asked for bugs, or he believed there were none?
20:46:30 <dihedral> i actually had expected the server to crash
20:46:55 <yorick> well rcon can also DOS a server
20:46:55 <dihedral> PeterT claimed that there were none, and everybody else said the oposite
20:47:12 <yorick> it's really not hard to DOS a server ;)
20:47:16 <dihedral> and he said we could help find 'em
20:47:38 <dihedral> yorick, it would be nicer to clear the server list of unmaintained servers :-D
20:47:49 <yorick> and PeterT is a bit naive sometimes/always ;)
20:48:14 <dihedral> i recall times when ... :-P
20:48:28 * yorick wonders how big a network connection would be needed to permanently DOS 10 servers
20:48:57 <dihedral> you can dos servers easy enough
20:48:58 <Belugas> and i'm heading home!
20:49:07 <dihedral> night good ol Belugas
20:49:41 * Belugas grabs his cane and start sliding to the door
20:50:03 <dihedral> yorick, at least the old servers should easily be crashed :-P
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20:50:54 <yorick> 0.5.3 didn't even had bridges over everything
20:51:20 * yorick remembers the good old times he only used nightlies and no multiplayer
20:51:24 <dihedral> 0.5.3 still has a nice udp bug and nick name bug ^^
20:51:37 <planetmaker> Rubidium: trunk compiled and works fine on my Mac, also given todays changes :)
20:52:08 <dihedral> planetmaker, worked here too, but i guess i am still on his i-list :-P
20:52:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: thanks for testing
20:52:52 <planetmaker> mac != mac, dih. And you got PPC, right?
20:53:45 <dihedral> yes, i have a ppc mac
20:55:16 <planetmaker> We need Osai compile it, too :)
20:55:35 <planetmaker> ok, no difference there :)
20:55:48 <dihedral> i think it's 2.5 - lemme check
20:57:11 <planetmaker> Mine is weired. "About" tells me it's 2.4. But the help is for 2.3...
20:57:44 <planetmaker> so much for sane default install...
21:04:10 <rasco> is there a config option for non water edges?
21:04:29 <Yexo> rasco: yes, freeform_edges
21:09:04 <Yexo> rasco: what do you want exactly?
21:09:11 <yorick> does your newgrf_ports clone work yet?
21:09:22 <Yexo> yorick: have you seen the hg branch?
21:09:31 <Yexo> it works, but a lot of newgrf functionality is missing
21:09:45 <Yexo> but you can rotate the default airports by adding layouts in newgrf
21:10:00 <yorick> that's a nice start :)
21:10:59 <yorick> Yexo: are you planning on finishing it? :p
21:11:15 <Yexo> yes, but I don't have a lot of time currently, so it might take some time
21:11:36 * yorick would just like to see action2 variable E2 for planes fully implemented :p
21:16:41 <Yexo> yorick: action2 variable2?
21:16:45 <dihedral> well - good night :-)
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21:18:17 <Yexo> hmm, typo, but where do I find it?
21:20:51 <yorick> that's the best documentation I found so far
21:20:54 <Yexo> yorick: in what way is it not completely implemented?
21:21:06 <yorick> some of the values aren't
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21:23:09 <Yexo> yorick: thanks, I'll think about it, but basically supporting variable E2 might be a lot harder with newgrf defined airports
21:24:34 <yorick> Yexo: it's really useful, in av8 for example ;)
21:25:08 <Yexo> are there any specific ones you'd like, or just all of them?
21:25:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16831 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Fix (r16798): Stickybox is in the header and resizebox in the footer of the window.
21:26:46 <yorick> Yexo: I'm currently using everything from 0D to 1C
21:26:53 <planetmaker> is that what I think it is, Alberth ?
21:27:26 <Alberth> but I added a comment to the ticket
21:27:31 <yorick> just some widget defines
21:27:57 <planetmaker> Actually "wait till it gets solved decently" sounds ... most sensible than intermediate quick fixes
21:30:22 <Alberth> it may get a bit more problematic when OpenGFX is finished
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21:42:25 <Patrick`> is there still DRAAAAMAAAAA about newgrf airports?
21:43:28 <DaleStan> I doubt you have anything to worry about now. If a certain someone appears, then who knows.
21:43:45 <Patrick`> I drift in and out, I don't remember much
21:43:52 <Patrick`> last I new, the svn was on revision 3,000
21:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you might want to know about the kickoff waiting time :p
21:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i think when i first joined here, the revision was about 3300
21:47:01 <Yexo> Patrick`: I've taken another aproach now: Don't have too much discussion about the specs, but make it working, then discuss (I'm loosely following Pikka's spec)
21:47:26 <Patrick`> Eddi|zuHause: hahahahaha, yeah, oh man did I piss and moan about that one
21:47:35 <Patrick`> it was so simple, I solved it another
21:47:40 <Patrick`> make sure your trains never, EVER stop.
21:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> unloading at high speeds, that is certainly fun ;)
21:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> damn... i have a download with an ETA of 2h
21:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but my 24h disconnect is in 1:40
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22:06:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then acquire faster internet
22:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause> they promised like 50mbit until 2014 ;)
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22:40:51 <PeterT> how do i disable a notify?
22:46:43 <PeterT> when i come into IRC it always says "Notify: DorpsGek is online (OFTC)"
22:46:56 <Ammler> that you need to read your client guide, but we know, you don't read those anyway.
22:47:14 <Ammler> so maybe you find somewhere a channel about your client.
22:49:35 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that is your fault, you added DorpsGek to some kind of watch list
22:50:01 <PeterT> someone told me that /notify is to private message
22:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> then you need to remove him the same way
22:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they told you to read the documentation/help
22:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i am level two psychic, didn't you know?
22:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> means i can read minds of lesser creatures
22:55:02 <PeterT> and i'm the king of england who won the lottery yesterday :P
22:55:36 <Xaroth_> Yer still a lesser creature.
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22:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and occasionally i can see 5 seconds into the future
22:57:39 <tdev> you prefer cmake or scons?
22:58:02 <PeterT> Ammler: how many different channels are you on?
22:58:51 <Xaroth> whereas you are on.. 5.. i think
22:59:10 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: someone should introduce you to the magic of /whois
22:59:14 <Xaroth> I know what they are, PeterT.
22:59:20 <Xaroth> I even know what status you have on each of those
23:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and ammler is not only on channels in this network
23:01:17 <PeterT> how many networks are there?
23:01:49 * KenjiE20 has 21 channel buffers open
23:01:53 <Xaroth> heck, I run my own network on my server, but nobody knows of it's existence
23:01:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no central registration of networks
23:02:19 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody can run a server
23:02:26 <Ammler> mibbit.com is a nice search for cross networks
23:02:47 <Xaroth> Mibbit only shows the networks that support it :P
23:02:50 <KenjiE20> or the connection manager in your xchat client :)
23:03:43 <Xaroth> PeterT: google "RFC 1459" .. and read that
23:04:05 <Ammler> oh, well, rfc might not be the optimal start
23:04:22 <PeterT> www.lmgtfy.com/RFC_1459
23:04:22 <Xaroth> and that'd be wrong, how? :P
23:04:43 <KenjiE20> I didn't say it'd be wrong
23:04:55 <Xaroth> er.. without the added . at the end
23:04:59 <Ammler> PeterT: why do we need to google that?
23:05:20 <PeterT> no, i type the link in here, then click on it, and it opens my webbrowser
23:05:49 <Ammler> don't you have address bar in your browser?
23:06:15 <Ammler> well, anyway, good night all together.
23:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm just going to put PeterT on my "special friends" list...
23:06:55 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: you haven't yet?
23:07:07 <Xaroth> you amaze me every day..
23:07:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i am too kind of a person
23:07:11 <PeterT> Ammler: easier to do it this way
23:07:14 <Rubidium> justfuckingignorethesuckerthatdoesnotwanttotakeanefforttogoogleit.com
23:07:36 <PeterT> i should probably priavtemessage myself :o
23:08:00 <KenjiE20> or maybe open your browser?
23:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you should probably just stop saying anything
23:08:06 <Xaroth> Rubidium: that would have been -SO- fun if that actually existed
23:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't there a maximum length of domain names?
23:09:12 <Xaroth> PeterT: if you're using mIRC, type /run <address>
23:10:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i always confuse the parameters of /ctcp
23:10:16 <Xaroth> maybe /shell or /exec work on xchat
23:10:17 <KenjiE20> yea, I did for a while
23:10:26 <Xaroth> CTCP isn't a standard anyhow
23:10:55 <Xaroth> well, technically it is, but 90 different clients handle it on 91 different ways
23:11:22 <Xaroth> it's like IE6 and html ...
23:11:24 <KenjiE20> I don't think he's bothered
23:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: and that is different from which other standard out there?
23:11:59 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: unfortunately.. too little
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23:19:23 <TT1a1a1> guys, is there any way to remove a helidepot?
23:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> why would that be any different from removing any other station?
23:25:34 <niblet> 1. remove the vehicles in it and 2. delete it the ordinary way
23:25:48 <TT1a1a1> must have been something in it
23:25:53 <TT1a1a1> refused to delete there
23:26:39 <niblet> * Added TT1a1a1!*@* to ignore list
23:26:44 <TT1a1a1> excellent open source software btw
23:27:02 <TT1a1a1> is there new releases often?
23:31:16 <Rubidium> TT1a1a1: depends on what you call a release and what you call often; major releases are roughly yearly, minor releases 2 to 3 months apart
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23:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what you mean with "often", but there are alpha releases (almost) every day
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23:44:39 <PeterT> i meant to say, congratulations on 16800 nightlies
23:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause> there are more like 1000 nightlies
23:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> which would amount to something like 4 years
23:47:06 <PeterT> So they are incorrectly labeled?
23:47:20 <PeterT> I just downloaded r16800 last night
23:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the number does not denote the nightlies
23:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you might have noticed that the number usually increases by more than one every day
23:47:54 <KenjiE20> there is no 'r' in nightlies
23:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> saying that the nighlties are counted incorrectly is like saying that the calender does not properly measure the travelling distance
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