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00:08:46 <SmatZ> is el_en gone for good?
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00:53:09 <Belugas> tool late... cannot think anymore... going hme
00:53:18 <Belugas> and no, not succedded
00:54:12 <SmatZ> have a good evening, Belugas :)
00:58:35 <Belugas> hehe for what's left of it...
01:01:47 <Z903> anybody know the save load file format?
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06:07:23 <dihedral> heh - Z903 had joined #codecubes asking the same question - i just have no idea why i thought he'd get an answer there :-P
06:20:27 <planetmaker> ah. and no patience either.
06:22:23 * planetmaker drinks more coffee right now *slurp*
06:23:40 <planetmaker> still coffee left. Want some?
06:36:27 <dihedral> distccd[21303] (dcc_r_request_header) ERROR: client did not provide distcc magic fairy dust
06:36:33 <dihedral> gotta love distcc for that
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07:08:16 <planetmaker> :O "fairy dust" :P
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07:49:14 * dihedral is watching movie trailers and is mildly amused
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07:55:29 <andythenorth_> dihedral: what trailers?
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07:57:30 <dihedral> "this box is full of stuff that nearly killed me" - "and what is this?" - "my wedding ring" :-D
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08:16:07 <dihedral> i like the new trailer of UP
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09:45:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16706 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp subsidy.cpp subsidy_func.h): -Fix (r16694): acquiring a subsidy resulted in an assertion.
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09:51:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16707 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#3007] (r16693): under some circumstances vehicles would skip loading as they thought nothing could be unloaded or loaded.
09:55:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16708 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt:
09:55:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Cleanup: do not try to indent strings using spaces, especially strings that
09:55:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: span multiple lines; it will not get the effect you want. Also do not indent at
09:55:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: different levels in different strings that will be shown on the same place.
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10:51:04 <benji83> i have a problem with openttd. if i try to start it (gamefiles are in the correct directory) i get the message "openttd: error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.42: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
10:51:15 <dihedral> HAHA - i am good :-D
10:51:19 <dihedral> i predicted his next line :-D
10:51:46 <dihedral> which file does it mention?
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10:51:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "auch ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn"?
10:51:50 <benji83> anybody an idea what i can do? google doesnt help much for me
10:52:00 <dihedral> what file does it ask for?
10:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> benji83: three solutions
10:52:12 <benji83> error while loading shared libraries: libicui18n.so.42:
10:52:26 <Eddi|zuHause> 1) try to get a package specifically for your distribution, not the generic one
10:52:29 <dihedral> yes, do you have that file on your computer?
10:52:32 <Eddi|zuHause> 2) compile yourself
10:52:38 <dihedral> did you search for that file in your package manager?
10:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> 3) get this version of libicu
10:52:50 <dihedral> if yes, did you then install it?
10:52:52 <benji83> dihedral, i make a "find" one mom please
10:53:32 <dihedral> well, at least a user with patience :-P
10:54:20 <benji83> Eddi|zuHause, i've used pacman that is the packagemanager from archlinux
10:54:36 <Progman> the problem is not the libicui18n.so.42 file
10:54:38 <dihedral> well then, you can see what the packagemanager tells you about that very file
10:54:46 <Progman> its the file this library tries to load
10:55:04 <Progman> basically you need to recompile the libicui18n.so file
10:55:28 <dihedral> Progman, dont use such words, they only confuse people :-P
10:55:57 <dihedral> "you need to" tells people that OpenTTD does not always work "out of the box" :-P
10:56:01 <benji83> why? i have no idea where i get the source from that file but with instructions i can compile it with make
10:56:10 <dihedral> or that "work is involved" - oh no
10:56:26 <Progman> benji83: which os do you use?
10:56:27 <dihedral> benji83, 1. google will help you find the source
10:56:40 <dihedral> 2. your package manager has probably got a reference somewhere
10:56:46 <dihedral> at least it can give you info
10:56:51 <Progman> is there a package manager?
10:57:01 <benji83> comandline pack-manager
10:57:14 <Progman> then reinstall libcui
10:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably easier to just recompile openttd without icu support
10:57:18 <benji83> one moment, i need do find the "info"-parameter
10:57:22 <petern> he's the resident archlinux nut
10:57:29 <Progman> oder libicu, or how it is called...
10:59:28 <benji83> what sounds easyier then find out in wich package the libicuil18n.so is an recompile that :) so i have to download the latest stable source from openttd and "make" it or are ther some .configure parameters like "--dontuseicu"?
11:00:39 <dihedral> benji83, just get libicu installed
11:00:47 <dihedral> and it is not that hard
11:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... NASA announced they'll stay with imperial units "because they always did that", and "it's too expensive to switch now"
11:04:30 <rortom> thats not an argument really :|
11:05:00 <Noldo> the related cost was quite big
11:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause> they said they're reusing parts of the shuttle system for ares, and those are in imperial units
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11:15:26 <Noldo> benji83: add the contents of rev.cpp
11:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> rev.cpp is an autogenerated file (from rev.cpp.in)
11:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause> it should contain the version string (that is used in the title bar and for identifying compatible versions in multiplayer)
11:16:30 <Noldo> output of configure might be interesting
11:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> if rev.cpp is mis-generated, this is a bug in the make system
11:17:05 <benji83> so i should nopaste you the output from ./configure ?
11:17:17 <dihedral> just install libicu :-P
11:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't have anything to do with ./configure
11:17:52 <dihedral> benji83, try ./configure with --revision=0.7.1
11:19:22 <benji83> ok, first is try to install icu (hope that libicu is on board with this package) and if this doesnt work i go back to compiling
11:20:06 <benji83> thanks@all for helping me out
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11:21:27 <dihedral> and nobody mentioned that in the beginning ey?
11:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i should really stop reading alain-posts...
11:21:55 <dihedral> if you are still interested in compiling OpenTTD from source, .... first google, read the wiki, then ask :-D
11:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i have really no idea what he is trying to say
11:22:20 <dihedral> he's trying to be helpful
11:22:30 <dihedral> not being too successful, but he's trying more than others :-P
11:22:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but being ununderstandable is not being helpful
11:23:19 <dihedral> <dihedral> not being too successful,
11:23:56 <dihedral> i bet he could not even understand his own posts if he went back and read one of his early posts :-P
11:28:38 <dihedral> it makes it a lot easier when wanting to fix strings
11:28:45 <dihedral> the search feature is great
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13:26:34 <Jolteon> I've met Sacro, he's dead srs.
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13:38:59 <Rubidium> petern: the 7th bullet of the English wikipedia page?
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14:04:50 <planetmaker> bugs.openttd.org is kinda weired...
14:21:28 <Rubidium> I'm not logged in at bugs.openttd.org
14:21:47 <petern> Query { SELECT t.*, lc.category_name AS category_name, lv.version_name AS product_version, lvc.version_name AS closedby_version, p.project_title, p.project_is_active, lst.status_name AS status_name, lt.tasktype_name AS task_type, lr.resolution_name FROM `flyspray_tasks` t LEFT JOIN `flyspray_projects` p ON t.project_id = p.project_id LEFT JOIN `flyspray_list_tasktype` lt ON t.task_type = lt.tasktype_id LEFT JOIN `flyspray_list_status` lst ON t.item_sta
14:21:49 <FauxFaux> What db is that? ("Failed! (Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_69f1_0.MYI'; try to repair it)")
14:22:02 <petern> hee, that was bit long :D
14:22:33 <petern> yeah, some people still use it :s
14:23:16 <FauxFaux> Even the postgres people say it's fast for flat CRUD. ¬_¬
14:23:58 <Rubidium> petern: is it fixed now?
14:25:04 <petern> yeah. took long enough to load the first time
14:26:22 <Ammler> Rubi, just restarted mysql?
14:26:45 <planetmaker> I find it kinda funny that we also build vehicles the same that we build tracks :) I would find it more consistant, if we buy them :)
14:26:53 <Rubidium> nope, just cleared some crap from /tmp/
14:27:02 <planetmaker> After all we can sell them.
14:30:18 <Ammler> I wouldn't be suprised, if glx use "buy" in french :-)
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14:36:23 <glx> Ammler: "buy" is not "construire"
14:37:30 <Ammler> yeah, didn't I say, you use it, just sometimes, you already changed things in french to more logical terms. :-)
14:38:32 <glx> yes I do some adaptation in translations
14:45:40 <dihedral> \o/ my mac's repaired :-)
14:46:45 <planetmaker> hey, congratz! :)
14:47:02 <planetmaker> which reminds me dih: how did you get xchat running on your mac?
14:47:09 <planetmaker> or where did you get a working version?
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14:51:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16709 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2994]: the list of animated tiles could have duplicates (only for old savegames) and tiles that weren't animated
14:51:42 <planetmaker> hm... I'll have to search for that then. Must have missed it.
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14:51:51 <dihedral> first hit for me :-P
14:52:24 <Rubidium> oh (near-)native English speaking people, what is your opinion about FS#2991?
14:58:46 <Jolteon> Rubidium: seems petty, from an English standard.
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15:00:45 <Rubidium> Jolteon: what's pretty? The current thing or what I propose there?
15:01:55 <Jolteon> the thing he bugged about
15:02:59 <dihedral> i cannot recall what the window looks like
15:03:11 <dihedral> can you not do a download and a cancel button?
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15:06:55 <Jolteon> btw, whats the reason for Oil Refineries being so unstable?
15:07:01 <Jolteon> they're constantly disappearing.
15:07:04 <Jolteon> even if they're in use.
15:07:22 <Jolteon> or maybe it's just Oil Refiners i notice more.
15:08:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16710 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix: invalidate subsidies with invalid source or destination when converting older savegames
15:38:58 <Ammler> Jolteon: newgrf? (PBI)
15:39:33 <Jolteon> I don't have any industry GRFs.
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17:39:04 <Worldbeing> Hey, anyone know what port the content service uses? I'm behind a fairly restrictive firewall and I'm seeing absolutely nothing when I try to access it... (0.7.1)
17:43:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16711 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: use FOR_ALL_SUBSIDIES macro when iterating over all subsidies
17:45:56 <dihedral> i think i must be on his ignore list ^^
17:46:14 <SmatZ> did anyone say anything?
17:46:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16712 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:46:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 23 changes by burgerd
17:46:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 8 changes by Yexo
17:46:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 8 changes by glx
17:46:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 29 changes by dihedral, planetmaker
17:46:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 14 changes by fanioz
17:47:07 * dihedral highfives planetmaker
17:48:56 <Worldbeing> Um, anyone, help? Firewall port for content service...
17:49:16 <Worldbeing> Either that or an explanation of what to do with .tars from the forum would be much appreciated
17:49:36 <dihedral> Worldbeing, <dihedral> 3978 tcp iirc
17:49:43 <dihedral> Worldbeing, <Rubidium> 3978 tcp
17:49:44 <Rubidium> Worldbeing: what is hard about understanding that 3978 tcp is the answer you're looking for?
17:50:12 <dihedral> i guess he is asking for a port that is not blocked at the company
17:50:42 <Rubidium> SmatZ: are my letters that small that you need such huge glasses?
17:50:59 <dihedral> Rubidium, are mine that invisible to you? :-P
17:51:06 <Worldbeing> Sorry, for some reason it didn't occur to me that the string of four numbers followed by the abbreviation for a protocol might possibly be a port number...
17:51:23 <dihedral> Worldbeing, jackpot!
17:51:25 <Worldbeing> I blame it on the weather
17:51:49 <Sacro> don't blame it on yourself
17:51:54 <Sacro> just blame it on the weatherman
17:52:30 <Sacro> hmm, no way do I have 1096 days worth of mp3
18:18:16 <Chruker> Impatience was strong in that one
18:18:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16713 /trunk/src/subsidy_type.h: -Doc: document the Subsidy struct
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18:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause> why do you laugh at documentation?
18:45:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16714 /trunk/ (16 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: use pool-like accessors for Subsidy
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18:56:37 <planetmaker> I could use some subsidies for a pool-like structure in my backyard
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19:31:17 <_ln> what should a tourist go see in the netherlands?
19:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> are people going to the netherlands for anything other than "coffe shops"?
19:32:24 <andythenorth_> is it nonsense o'clock yet?
19:32:32 <andythenorth_> I've had a pint of cider, that always helps
19:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i have ever been there...
19:33:52 <Rubidium> like those Germans digging (huge) holes in our beaches
19:33:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i've been through belgium on the way from england
19:34:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but in exchange we have dutch people with caravans blocking the autobahn
19:36:21 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: you have these too ?
19:36:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, and there's no end to it...
19:39:02 <_ln> Xaroth: fortunately, that's on the list
19:39:23 <Xaroth> people would argue that Utrecht is worth visiting
19:39:28 <Xaroth> I.. still don't know what dope they are smoking
19:39:29 * _ln acquired some Danish money today; quite funny looking bank notes
19:39:42 <Xaroth> you going cross country europe or something
19:39:57 <_ln> Xaroth: Denmark, the small country between Germany and Swedens.
19:40:07 <Xaroth> I know where denmark is :P
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19:40:52 <Rubidium> oh, and Germans really come here for the coffee
19:41:09 <_ln> yeah, we're going to explore especially the Benelux by car, starting from Finland.
19:41:30 <Rubidium> they claim it's cheaper than in Germany
19:44:22 <Rubidium> though that makes me wonder why the Germans do their shopping in the NL and the Dutch in Germany... something must be wrong if it's cheaper for both
19:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i was in luxemburg last year... and on the luxemburger side they had like 9 gas stations, and on the german side they had 4 supermarkets...
19:52:00 <_ln> are the freeways free in .nl/.be?
19:57:14 <Xaroth> free as long as you don't speed
19:57:36 <Xaroth> small tip, in holland speed limit is usually put on the small distance signs on the side of the road
19:57:47 <Xaroth> (usually, not everywhere), on freeways at least
19:57:59 <Xaroth> so you'll at least have some chance of knowing whether it's 100kmph or 120
19:58:12 <Xaroth> though most of it is either 100 or 80 (bastards tbqhf)
20:07:26 <Xaroth> _ln: if you want to explore amsterdam, don't go into amsterdam by car
20:07:58 <Xaroth> you can always go by tram/metro into amsterdam, leaving the car outside the city
20:08:09 <Xaroth> (amsterdam isn't really car-friendly)
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20:23:21 <greg> HELLO I NEED HELP PATCHING MY OTTD
20:23:55 <andythenorth_> HELLO I NEED HELP TURNING OFF MY CAPS LOCK KEY
20:24:28 <andythenorth_> nah just ribbing you. the others here are much meaner :(
20:25:20 <greg> Now, i need someone to help me patching this thing..
20:25:27 <frosch123> are you able to compile?
20:25:57 <frosch123> then I guess you have to give it up :)
20:26:21 <Rubidium> frosch123: why? dih(edral) wants to help him
20:26:49 <Chruker> Lets help a different way, greg, what are you trying to accomplish by pathing ottd?
20:27:17 <greg> Installing the routemaker patch thing
20:27:33 <andythenorth_> uh oh. I think I'm going to need another cider.
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20:28:43 <greg> Now, i have run this tortoiseSVN thing
20:28:48 <greg> i downloaded this source thing
20:28:52 <greg> tried to apply the patch
20:28:57 <greg> but i get all kinds of errors
20:29:05 <dihedral> read the forum thread
20:29:16 <greg> i have read the wiki for patching
20:29:19 <dihedral> if questions arise, parse them through google
20:29:19 <glx> it's a very old patch, you need to get the exact source revision
20:29:24 <greg> i have read the forum thread
20:29:33 <greg> +glx, where do i get that
20:29:34 <dihedral> then you should be fine
20:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> greg: the needed source revision is in the patch file (one of the first few lines)
20:30:14 <dihedral> or even mentioned in the filename
20:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> greg: then use tortoiseSVN to "update to revision"
20:30:26 <greg> --- projects/openttd_vs80.vcproj (revision 8566)
20:30:26 <greg> +++ projects/openttd_vs80.vcproj (working copy)
20:30:27 <Rubidium> I suggest you use one of the binaries in the thread. You not knowing what compiling is means that you don't even have a single clue how to update the patch to a recent version. As a result you would apply it against the old version, which they already compiled and posted on the forum.
20:30:35 <dihedral> wow - that thing IS old
20:30:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that is an extremely old revision...
20:30:48 <glx> it's way older than I though
20:31:01 <Rubidium> glx: it's from late MiniIN-ish
20:31:15 <Rubidium> I could've told you that
20:31:28 <dihedral> why the **** does everybody all of a sudden want to compile for themselves?
20:31:39 <greg> i just want this to get to work..
20:31:54 <Rubidium> greg: then get the binary from the forum thread
20:31:56 <glx> anyway the first step before patching is compiling a clean version
20:31:59 <dihedral> either do all the work you need to yourself
20:32:06 <dihedral> or grab a binary from the forum thread
20:32:22 <greg> Binary forum thread what?
20:32:42 <dihedral> where is the patch located?
20:32:46 <dihedral> in a thread in the forums right?
20:32:50 <Rubidium> a binary is a (pre)compiled version
20:32:52 <dihedral> then look in that thread for a binary
20:33:03 <dihedral> perhaps an exe or a zip
20:33:13 <greg> ok thank you i will look..
20:33:16 <greg> if it doesnt work ill reply
20:33:30 <dihedral> if it does not work, you read the rest of that thread
20:33:37 <dihedral> if you still have no answer, you ask google
20:33:44 <dihedral> if you still have no answer you can come back
20:33:56 <dihedral> if we then find an answer within 10 seconds, you are shot :-P
20:34:18 <dihedral> just kidding - we wont shoot you :-P
20:34:32 <Rubidium> the route marker patch brings back such good memories ;) KUDr and richK67 fighting over why YAPF doesn't support bonuses and only penalties
20:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe, yeah, i remember that
20:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's not even YAPF's fault
20:35:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it's how the algorithm works... doesn't have anything to do with the implementation
20:47:34 <SmatZ> richk67 was supporting idea of bonuses?
20:47:46 <SmatZ> yay for endless circles with -inf price :)
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20:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: yeah, the flaw is obvious to everybody else ;)
20:51:44 <glx> but he is able to write code
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21:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> alain is on a grave digging tour...
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21:22:18 <greg> i found the thing that auto patches it
21:29:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16715 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add attribute to assert_compile(), so it doesn't warn when used inside function
21:33:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16716 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: reduce code duplication in DrawCompanyVehiclesAmount()
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21:53:45 <SmatZ> yeah, lets drop support for gcc4.2 and older
21:54:44 <Rubidium> SmatZ: sounds like a good idea... bye bye Apple ;)
21:55:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: how about debian-etch? :)
21:56:10 <TrueBrain> are you using Apple?
21:56:23 <Rubidium> I don't care about Apple either
21:56:29 <TrueBrain> oh, I thought we did that game: question - counter question :)
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22:16:48 <Worldbeing> I'm hoping someone can help me out here...I have something of a problem with unloading
22:17:32 <Xaroth> a dutchie might get this one then.. Kissie, Pallet.
22:17:35 <Worldbeing> 0.7.1, I have an oil tanker delivering to a dock/lorry station, which is serviced by a lorry connection to a refinery nearby
22:17:39 <Xaroth> if they don't they don't watch enough commercials
22:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Worldbeing: "transfer and leave empty" is the order that you want to use
22:18:46 <Worldbeing> That's what I gethered from the wiki
22:18:52 <Worldbeing> Question is how do I set it?
22:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause> use "transfer" from the unloading dropdown, and "no loading" from the loading dropdown
22:19:18 <Xaroth> while having the transfer station order selected
22:19:20 <Worldbeing> I can only work out how to set Transfer and take cargo or Transfer and wait for any full load
22:19:34 <Xaroth> click the arrow button next to them
22:19:38 <Xaroth> makes a dropdown appear
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22:22:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16717 /trunk/src/ (17 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make IsFrontEngine() member of Train
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23:49:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16718 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make IsFreeWagon() member of Train
23:53:49 <SmatZ> hmm does trunk compile for you?
23:53:54 <SmatZ> in one of my checkout it does
23:54:00 <SmatZ> in the second, it doesn't
23:54:07 <SmatZ> I can't find any difference...
23:57:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16719 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make IsArticulatedPart(), IsTrainEngine(), IsTrainWagon(), IsMultiheaded(), EngineHasArticPart() and IsRearDualheaded() members of Train
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